It is sad that Ray Jackson did not get the credit he deserved for the fabulous mandolin piece. It was this piece that made me sit up and take notice of the song itself. I never get tired of listening this, my favorite part of the whole song. Such a beautiful piece!
I bought this same mandolin in a Salvation Army store in Chittenango, NY ( Birthplace of L Frank Baun, author of, The Wizard of OZ ) for $75 a few years back. Has a different name on the headstock. Has the same amazing sound.
I'm not the first or last to call rod stewart a bastard,but not crediting ray for his incredible contribution to one of the greatest songs ever made, makes rod an extra special bastard!!
Heard the song on the way to work this morning and did a google search to find this. Thanks for posting, and thanks to Ray Jackson for an incredible piece of improv music.
I'm sure the album is still selling, so It would be the decent thing to credit Ray on the sleeve. I was a Lindisfarne fan back in the seventies and thought it was disgusting that he didn't get the credit he deserved.
I danced to this song in the discos of the day and ALWAYS wondered who played the mandolin. I actually bought a mandolin, but I couldn't find a tutor. However, I've taken it up again over 40 years later! Thanks for posting this video. Ray is the man!
Well done on this being set straight at last! Love the sounds Ray produced and hope that you are still doing just that Ray. I have just watched an old Lindisfarne video from 1972 and what a brilliant group! Fabulous!
Ridiculous that Ray Jackson's name was left uncredited for playing Mandolin on Maggie May, Reason To Believe and Mandolin Wind in the Every Picture Tells A Story LP.
Rod wasn't/isn't a jerk at all...very generous guy...he was just young and FINALLY breaking on both sides of the Atlantic! He gives his current band full credit on his last 4 pop albums...they are loyal for a reason
I've always loved the sound of the Mando and I believe Mr. Jackson is the first time I ever heard it way back when. That led into Bluegrass and on. I honestly believe Ray Jackson is the reason a LOT of folks picked up the Mandolin. (Me being one of them) Thank you so much Sir.
Rod's liner notes back in the day were always a little flippant and facetious, which is generally ok, but I think he did the man, and the fans, a grave disservice with the nonchalant "his name slips my mind" crack. I can understand paying scale if that's the going rate but, jeez, at least give the dude the dignity of his name. He may not have technically written the song, but his solo absolutely MADE it (well, that and the bass line.)
Maybe Rod thought there might be a case for giving Ray a writing credit if he had mentioned his name on the sleeve. Getting John Peel to mime the mandolin part on Top of the Pops was probably done for the same reason.
I hate the lowest common denominator interviewers trying to coax a stronger reaction out of Ray. I hate this modern shock type interviewing where everything has to be an extreme emotion, thankfully Ray maintained the class!
As a songwriter, I consider this to be a really interesting and unusual case. Ray Jackson's contribution to the song Maggie May was HUGE! Without the mandolin part, the song has no hook and hardly any melody. Jackson didn't contribute a mere improvised solo for Maggie May; he supplied the only melodic motif the song has! I really wish he had pursued his rights further, because he absolutely deserved writing credit and a share of the song's profits. I'd go so far as to say that Ray Jackson's contribution to Maggie May was nothing less than the most iconic and recognizable mandolin melody in Rock music. For what he was paid, he might as well have done nothing in that studio session but strum mindlessly in the background. Rod Stewart behaved like a dishonorable douchebag.
@@antidepressant11 are you guys daft? Ron Woods two solos are brilliant! I'm a mandolin player as well as an acoustic guitar player and when I think of that song it's the in the pocket, beautiful guitar solo. The mandolin bit is ok.. but pretty repetitive and bland in comparison to the guitar hook!
@@bahed1 That bit in the middle that you call ''pretty bland'' is what took it to number one mate. It's the chorus of the song. Everyone I speak to only remembers that part lol.
I think we're all agreed that Ray should have been paid much more for his contribution here. It wasn't just Rod Stewart who behaved in this way though, All the classic Bowie songs on Hunky Dory were brought to life by Mick Ronson and Rick Wakeman who were paid as session musicians. Ronson worked magic for Bowie for years and never saw a penny from any royalties.
after hearing Maggie May my fav bit was the mandolin solo however, it took me me forever to try find a video that played only the solo because i had no idea what the instrument was. I always just thought it was some sort of guitar picking.Sucks that Ray Jackson got no real quid for it ! Glad you posted this video !
He s talking about Ray Jackson of Lindisfarne who played mandolin on maggie may, who is also a great singer. Pay attention, its all in the description and the video :)
Ray said that when he put it together the guys in the control room were applauding. The music industry is full of guys getting paid buttons for major hits. Vic Flick who played the guitar on the James Bond theme was paid a one off £6. The industry is noted for sharks.
A couple of points. Ray Jackson was not an unknown musician in 1971. Lindisfarne were already very popular. Also absolutely no one ever believed for one minute that John Peel played that mandolin solo either on the record or on the TOTP performance.
Well said. 'Fog on the Tyne' by Lindisfarne was about to hit the number 1 spot in the album charts. Also most of us sussed that it was Ray Jackson playing on 'Maggie May' despite the lack of a proper credit.
ray played the mandolin on the song and deserved the credit it made rod, But if you lget rods new cd today he sounds like a old club singer. Ray is still a cracking artist and still sounds good and still does live shows
And the irony here folks, is that every time this UA-cam video is watched, Rod Stewart gets payed royalties for the use of the song in this video. 🤦🏻♂️
Yes, and the man who played the mandolin gets nowt. Stewart wouldn’t give you the steam off his shit. And what’s with the tartan, you’re not Scottish. Creep
If anyone has any current, legitimate links to donations, or at least charity causes sponsored by Mr Jackson, I'd be interested in them. Found some charities linked to him, but dated at this point. Seems the gentleman deserves more, and this rather poor amateur mando picker would like to contribute a bit to the man or at least his causes. Thanks to any responses.
To be fair to Rod, it was printed on the sleeve that the Mandolin was played by the Mandlin player from Lindisfarne, but he should've mentioned Ray by name. Jacka also played Mandolin on Mandlin Wind from the same album.
Jacka was primarily engaged on the EPTAS sessions to play a solo on "Mandolin Wind" which was itself a great solo.... it was only due to the sparse instrumental backing on "Maggie May" that he was asked further if he could enhance the backing track. To be honest, Jacka follows the bass line and classical guitar chord structure of the late Martin Quittenton (who never ever gets the co-writing credit he deserved for this track) and added his iconic strummed mandolin riff. Wonderful. If I was Stewart and with the success of both single and album, I'd have given Jacka an "ex-gratia" payment in lieu of his performance.... he deserved it.... Are you listening Roderick ?
A lovely piece of mandolin playing by Ray and yes it certainly stands out on Maggie May. The suggestion that Rod would not have been a superstar without Rays input on Maggie may is stretching things a bit though.....
If the Ed Sullivan Show wasn't cancelled in the Spring 1971 instead continuing into 1973 when Sullivan wanted to retire the show you can be sure Rod Stewart performing Maggie May would have been the remaining music lineup acts on the show along with Three Dog Night, the Grass Roots, the New Seekers and Others with the tragedy of Ray Jackson's name never being credited for playing Mandolin on 3 Tracks of the 1971 Every Picture Tells A Story LP
Young interviewer astounded that a real musician could improvise and think on his feet without instructions and notes . However , I don't recall anyone with half a brain believing for one minute that John Peel played mandolin on Maggie . The Faces asked him to mime because Peel was a huge fan ( his favourite band for years before he went all hip and dumped them for The Fall ) and championed them more than any band , at that time , on his radio programme . The Faces returned the favour here .
Rod Stewart is another classic example of another 'rock star' male diva, simply odious for not verbally or officially acknowledging Ray Jackson contribution!
Well that settles it doesn't it... let's everyone name-check Mr. Ray Jackson every chance we get. It's the very least Rod could have done, wtf mate (it's not too late to do the right thing, Rod the Mod). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Jackson_(musician)
Ray is a star. Loved his work with Lindisfarne. Lady Eleanor has a not dissimilar mandolin riff and in my mind is a much better song. Ray was extremely entertaining on stage, singing songs written by bandmate Rod Clements, a great match to Alan Hull's singer-songwriter persona.
Peel has always been the darling of the music media but, if he'd have any sense of decency, he should have told Stewart that Jacka should have been on stage miming to the mandolin solo and not himself. A point that I would also raise is that the solo is built around the chord structure of the classical guitar intro and the bass line which is within the confines of the very under-rated, the late Martin Quittenton.
I was once on a train with Ray, no,no!, I wont sign anything, I doubt he even remembers. Mind there is no reason why he should, I was just sitting in the same train lol. His instrumental made that record and it should have been put right before it was released. I think Rod always was a big arrogant but as he is great we will let him off
Rod Stewart paid him to do the mandolin solo, Ray Jackson never even knew that the song Maggie May could hit, Maggie May song melody is very good even without the mandolin solo, Rod owns the mandolin solo notes legally.
Maybe Rod owns the hook though I wouldn't know . BUT he still should of credited Jacka on the record sleeve. Just to put that "his name slips my mind", is a insult and a big fat lie, Rod Stewart knew who it was , you are not going to forget Ray Jackson, Lindesfarne were a big name already. Then what's does Rod Stewart do adds insult to injury by getting a dj who can't play a note to pretend to play the Mandolin. That was a real slap in the face. It is that hook that starts the song and you know it's Maggie May before any singing. Come on Rod give the man his credit tell people the amazing hook and playing of the Mandolin is by Ray Jackson ex- Lindesfarne, and get it put on the albums it really wouldn't hurt you to do the decent thing.
It does sound like Rod Stewart acted like a bit of a shit. But to be fair, the musician's union rates were pretty good for the time and they was designed to compensate session players in full for their contributions. If Stewart would have been told at the time that he'd have to give a percentage or cut of any profits the record might make to the mandolin player he might have opted to do a guitar solo instead. If session musicians like Carol Kaye and Hal Blaine got a cut of the profits from records they played on they'd be multi-millionaires by now - as would session singers like Tessa Niles.
But if he had made that decision to cut the mandolin the record probably wouldn't have been the monster that it became. Greed is not a good thing and Ray deserves his 50 percent cut of this record. It's made millions.
@TheSmithDorian Finally, a sensible comment. It's the deal that was made. Without the songwriter, there is no song to play the solo over. Anyone that thinks a memorable solo = 50% of a song has no understanding of songwriting or the music business. Steve Lukather should get 50% of Beat It for the memorable riff & Eddie Van Halen should get 50% for the solo. The leaves nothing for MJ. Many artists played on each other's records for little or no financial compensation. Often it was uncredited because they didn't get explicit permission from their record company. The tongue in cheek comment about forgetting his name makes me think that might be the real reason. Ray Jackson didn't get permission to play on a different record label. In this case, Ray Jackson got paid union scale. If the record had completely flopped, he'd have still had his 15 quid.
I will probably always love Rod's voice and singing (phrasing) and many of the songs he wrote but account after account shows him a selfish person who wouldnt carry equipment in the early days when all were equal in a band, and being notorious for avoiding paying for drinks. I've never been surprised that he avoided giving credit for or paying extra for this iconic mandolin piece. Led Zep were similar in not crediting that the lead-in for Black mountainside came from Bert Jansch's version of Blackwaterside.
Really surprised that John Peel took part in such a shitty charade. Not at all surprised about Stewart, so far up himself anyway. Never mind Ray we know the truth.
its shitty that this geeza didnt get a fair slice of pie but this little riff is just that. anyone who plays mandolin can play it and it will have been played before. think of all the folk standards that where written by Anon; the songs remain yet nobody knows who originally penned them. there are just12 notes in western music and you can bet that all the notes, riffs, melodies and harmonies have been used, modified, forgotten and resurrected a million times before the advent of pop culture.
This ''little riff'' is what made the song a hit. EVERYONE I speak to, remembers that part before anything else. And with regards to the ''anyone can play it'' theory: yes but very few can write the songs as easily as they can play them. The song alone is average.
Ray should sue for 50%. He would probably win. There's no way in hell this isn't a co-write. Rod Stewart is a selfish old ass. Not even crediting him for his performance is the lowest of the low.
Whilst not wishing to downplay Jackson's contribution to the song he has twice taken his case to court and twice been rebuffed. Sad as it is he was paid the rate of a session musician for his part in the song. He perhaps ought to have been acknowledged for his work but wasn't. I note this clip is dated 2011 and it is now time everyone involved moved on. Digging up controversy over a song released in 1971 serves no purpose other than acting a bit like click bait for videos.
That's the problem with signing a ''work for hire'' agreement. The fact that he tried to discredit him still stinks though and he could pay him a six figure peace offering cheque. He wouldn't miss the money and it made the record what it is.
YER BUT HOW MUCH did VIC FICK SELL ONe OF HIS GUITARS FOR. anyway the intellegent folk already know who made maggie may a hit, as usual a geordie, I have helped lots of people to become successfull , but doe's it bother me ,no, why cause am a geordie. al reet
Rod was always known as tight -fisted, by those who knew him , as I did, but this story drags that into mean-minded , too, plius a few more adjectives as per expletives deleted...what goes around comes around, don't it??!! Someone -Her Majesty - please give Ray a knighthood!!
The mandolin playing is the most distinctive and memorable piece on this record !
Ray Jackson is a very underrated singer and musician.
And a very nice, modest guy too
@@teaforthree1 yes, very well stated.
Rod Stewart is very overated anyway.
It is sad that Ray Jackson did not get the credit he deserved for the fabulous mandolin piece. It was this piece that made me sit up and take notice of the song itself. I never get tired of listening this, my favorite part of the whole song. Such a beautiful piece!
That solo is why I bought and learned mandolin.
I bought this same mandolin in a Salvation Army store in Chittenango, NY ( Birthplace of L Frank Baun, author of, The Wizard of OZ ) for $75 a few years back. Has a different name on the headstock. Has the same amazing sound.
Ray Jackson. Best bit in the song.
Agreed. Absolutely. Credit needs to be given where it's due, and Ray Jackson totally deserves it. He (and Lindisfarne) were the best.
Credit has been given. People know who played that piece. They also know that Rod Stewart would sell his granny for a quid. Tight wad.
The mandolin solo is the main reason I like this song. I can’t believe Rod Stewart did that to him.
did what?used peel on totp? so what? if the chords D Em G D were already written, then its really not all that amazing to come up with that opart.
I'm not the first or last to call rod stewart a bastard,but not crediting ray for his incredible contribution
to one of the greatest songs ever made, makes rod an extra special bastard!!
Heard the song on the way to work this morning and did a google search to find this. Thanks for posting, and thanks to Ray Jackson for an incredible piece of improv music.
I'm sure the album is still selling, so It would be the decent thing to credit Ray on the sleeve.
I was a Lindisfarne fan back in the seventies and thought it was disgusting that he didn't get the credit he deserved.
Infact on the album the biggest insult, says on the sleeve other contributers the mandolin player in Lindesfarne.
I danced to this song in the discos of the day and ALWAYS wondered who played the mandolin. I actually bought a mandolin, but I couldn't find a tutor. However, I've taken it up again over 40 years later! Thanks for posting this video. Ray is the man!
Ray is a fine musician and human being, just like his old friend Alan Hull
Lindisfarne, great folk band, meet me on the Corner, great musician
Alas! Ray Jackson! What a lovely fella.
Well done on this being set straight at last!
Love the sounds Ray produced and hope that you are still doing just that Ray. I have just watched an old Lindisfarne video from 1972 and what a brilliant group! Fabulous!
Ridiculous that Ray Jackson's name was left uncredited for playing Mandolin on Maggie May, Reason To Believe and Mandolin Wind in the Every Picture Tells A Story LP.
I've always thought Rod Stewart was a jerk because of this. Good to have the story documented.
Rod wasn't/isn't a jerk at all...very generous guy...he was just young and FINALLY breaking on both sides of the Atlantic! He gives his current band full credit on his last 4 pop albums...they are loyal for a reason
@@RodStewartFan OK well decades later he was very wealthy and NOT young and he still did not right the wrong?
I've always loved the sound of the Mando and I believe Mr. Jackson is the first time I ever heard it way back when. That led into Bluegrass and on. I honestly believe Ray Jackson is the reason a LOT of folks picked up the Mandolin. (Me being one of them) Thank you so much Sir.
Fuckin hell Rod you could bung this fella a few quid, come on fair play!!
Rod's liner notes back in the day were always a little flippant and facetious, which is generally ok, but I think he did the man, and the fans, a grave disservice with the nonchalant "his name slips my mind" crack. I can understand paying scale if that's the going rate but, jeez, at least give the dude the dignity of his name. He may not have technically written the song, but his solo absolutely MADE it (well, that and the bass line.)
Maybe Rod thought there might be a case for giving Ray a writing credit if he had mentioned his name on the sleeve. Getting John Peel to mime the mandolin part on Top of the Pops was probably done for the same reason.
I hate the lowest common denominator interviewers trying to coax a stronger reaction out of Ray. I hate this modern shock type interviewing where everything has to be an extreme emotion, thankfully Ray maintained the class!
Why not though? He deserved 50% of the publishing from that song. It's the most hummable part of the sorry ass thing!
As a songwriter, I consider this to be a really interesting and unusual case. Ray Jackson's contribution to the song Maggie May was HUGE! Without the mandolin part, the song has no hook and hardly any melody. Jackson didn't contribute a mere improvised solo for Maggie May; he supplied the only melodic motif the song has! I really wish he had pursued his rights further, because he absolutely deserved writing credit and a share of the song's profits. I'd go so far as to say that Ray Jackson's contribution to Maggie May was nothing less than the most iconic and recognizable mandolin melody in Rock music. For what he was paid, he might as well have done nothing in that studio session but strum mindlessly in the background. Rod Stewart behaved like a dishonorable douchebag.
You've absolutely nailed it. well written.
@@antidepressant11 are you guys daft? Ron Woods two solos are brilliant! I'm a mandolin player as well as an acoustic guitar player and when I think of that song it's the in the pocket, beautiful guitar solo. The mandolin bit is ok.. but pretty repetitive and bland in comparison to the guitar hook!
@@bahed1 thrn uou know nothing about "music"!!!!!
@@bahed1 That bit in the middle that you call ''pretty bland'' is what took it to number one mate. It's the chorus of the song. Everyone I speak to only remembers that part lol.
@Gary Twitchett If you look at it as a whole, then Ray needs to be paid his 50% for co-writing it.
I think we're all agreed that Ray should have been paid much more for his contribution here. It wasn't just Rod Stewart who behaved in this way though, All the classic Bowie songs on Hunky Dory were brought to life by Mick Ronson and Rick Wakeman who were paid as session musicians. Ronson worked magic for Bowie for years and never saw a penny from any royalties.
If he'd been paid what he deserved, he'd be a millionaire.
after hearing Maggie May my fav bit was the mandolin solo however, it took me me forever to try find a video that played only the solo because i had no idea what the instrument was. I always just thought it was some sort of guitar picking.Sucks that Ray Jackson got no real quid for it ! Glad you posted this video !
Yes agreed.
Stewart was going nowhere
Rod Stewart went right down in my estimation after this--Tight wad and prize KNOB!!
Great mandolin playing by a great singer.
+John Simpson Kirkpatrick Historian WHAT? lol
The mandolin player didn't sing on Maggie May.
He s talking about Ray Jackson of Lindisfarne who played mandolin on maggie may, who is also a great singer. Pay attention, its all in the description and the video :)
@@chezruss lol. Some people go though life sleepwalking. Just the joint lead singer of probably the biggest band going in 1972.
Not only that, but also the best harmonica player I've ever seen live - Ray Jackson is an incredibly talented musician.
Brilliant Mandolin player backed up by an average session singer.
At least they could have found out Mr Jacksons name and put it on the back of the Faces record.
Even if he'd only played on Track 13 they could at least have had the decency to bother to find out his name. One phone call would have done it.
Er...it wasn't actually a Faces album (a Stewart solo album) but, we all know what you mean....
Yah that was a _seriously_ bizaare diss like what the hell
Ray said that when he put it together the guys in the control room were applauding.
The music industry is full of guys getting paid buttons for major hits. Vic Flick who played the guitar on the James Bond theme was paid a one off £6. The industry is noted for sharks.
I thought that was Big Jim Sullivan
A couple of points. Ray Jackson was not an unknown musician in 1971. Lindisfarne were already very popular. Also absolutely no one ever believed for one minute that John Peel played that mandolin solo either on the record or on the TOTP performance.
Well said. 'Fog on the Tyne' by Lindisfarne was about to hit the number 1 spot in the album charts. Also most of us sussed that it was Ray Jackson playing on 'Maggie May' despite the lack of a proper credit.
Nice bloke Ray.I remember having a chat to him while having a piss in High Pit Social Club.
I sold my guitar and bought a mandolin. I have yet to master it,but love the sound
ray played the mandolin on the song and deserved the credit it made rod, But if you lget rods new cd today he sounds like a old club singer.
Ray is still a cracking artist and still sounds good and still does live shows
And the irony here folks, is that every time this UA-cam video is watched, Rod Stewart gets payed royalties for the use of the song in this video. 🤦🏻♂️
Yes, and the man who played the mandolin gets nowt. Stewart wouldn’t give you the steam off his shit. And what’s with the tartan, you’re not Scottish. Creep
@@teaforthree1 yes Henry, he dors the scots shame. He is a londoner, and very overated as a singer
If anyone has any current, legitimate links to donations, or at least charity causes sponsored by Mr Jackson, I'd be interested in them. Found some charities linked to him, but dated at this point. Seems the gentleman deserves more, and this rather poor amateur mando picker would like to contribute a bit to the man or at least his causes.
Thanks to any responses.
Ray Jackson also a fantastic musician with Lindisfarne. On some songs lead vocalist. Plays mandolin & Mouth organ & can't stop going to Parties.
To be fair to Rod, it was printed on the sleeve that the Mandolin was played by the Mandlin player from Lindisfarne, but he should've mentioned Ray by name. Jacka also played Mandolin on Mandlin Wind from the same album.
Jacka was primarily engaged on the EPTAS sessions to play a solo on "Mandolin Wind" which was itself a great solo.... it was only due to the sparse instrumental backing on "Maggie May" that he was asked further if he could enhance the backing track. To be honest, Jacka follows the bass line and classical guitar chord structure of the late Martin Quittenton (who never ever gets the co-writing credit he deserved for this track) and added his iconic strummed mandolin riff. Wonderful. If I was Stewart and with the success of both single and album, I'd have given Jacka an "ex-gratia" payment in lieu of his performance.... he deserved it....
Are you listening Roderick ?
Footnote...the late Simon Cowe was also "another mandolin player in the band Lindisfarne!"
I also liked his solo on "Mandolin Wind."
A lovely piece of mandolin playing by Ray and yes it certainly stands out on Maggie May. The suggestion that Rod would not have been a superstar without Rays input on Maggie may is stretching things a bit though.....
No, Rod's used plenty of other ''session'' musicians to help him get where he is - and has been fine to take full credit for their contribution.
@@LynseyFenton I don’t recall Rod saying that he played the mandolin on ‘ Maggie May’
If the Ed Sullivan Show wasn't cancelled in the Spring 1971 instead continuing into 1973 when Sullivan wanted to retire the show you can be sure Rod Stewart performing Maggie May would have been the remaining music lineup acts on the show along with Three Dog Night, the Grass Roots, the New Seekers and Others with the tragedy of Ray Jackson's name never being credited for playing Mandolin on 3 Tracks of the 1971 Every Picture Tells A Story LP
it does have a chorus- you led me away from home etc
Young interviewer astounded that a real musician could improvise and think on his feet without instructions and notes . However , I don't recall anyone with half a brain believing for one minute that John Peel played mandolin on Maggie . The Faces asked him to mime because Peel was a huge fan ( his favourite band for years before he went all hip and dumped them for The Fall ) and championed them more than any band , at that time , on his radio programme . The Faces returned the favour here .
A true gent. A hero I was pleased to meet even if he was standing back stage in his underpants.
Love the bloke.
Rod should pay up!
Pay your dues rod ??
Rod Stewart is another classic example of another 'rock star' male diva, simply odious for not verbally or officially acknowledging Ray Jackson contribution!
Well that settles it doesn't it... let's everyone name-check Mr. Ray Jackson every chance we get. It's the very least Rod could have done, wtf mate (it's not too late to do the right thing, Rod the Mod). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Jackson_(musician)
Ray was still doing work for Stewart 3 or 4 years after.
And still getting paid a pittance.
the sad reality behind the art
what chords is he playing.
He's holding down a basic D (major) chord ..... the riff is based on a D, Em and G chord progression.
@@lyndamcardle4123 nice of you to reply Lynda.
Seems like Ray is the unsung hero who inpired many to take up the mandolin...
Nobody thinks that John Peel did it, ridiculous comment.
Ray is a star. Loved his work with Lindisfarne. Lady Eleanor has a not dissimilar mandolin riff and in my mind is a much better song. Ray was extremely entertaining on stage, singing songs written by bandmate Rod Clements, a great match to Alan Hull's singer-songwriter persona.
I suppose Stewart thought it was a hoot to have Peel appearing to play the mando.
I think it stinks.
Stewart was creeping to John Peel. In those days DJs could make or brake a record.
Peel has always been the darling of the music media but, if he'd have any sense of decency, he should have told Stewart that Jacka should have been on stage miming to the mandolin solo and not himself. A point that I would also raise is that the solo is built around the chord structure of the classical guitar intro and the bass line which is within the confines of the very under-rated, the late Martin Quittenton.
I was once on a train with Ray, no,no!, I wont sign anything, I doubt he even remembers. Mind there is no reason why he should, I was just sitting in the same train lol. His instrumental made that record and it should have been put right before it was released. I think Rod always was a big arrogant but as he is great we will let him off
Rod Stewart paid him to do the mandolin solo, Ray Jackson never even knew that the song Maggie May could hit, Maggie May song melody is very good even without the mandolin solo, Rod owns the mandolin solo notes legally.
Maybe Rod owns the hook though I wouldn't know . BUT he still should of credited Jacka on the record sleeve. Just to put that "his name slips my mind", is a insult and a big fat lie, Rod Stewart knew who it was , you are not going to forget Ray Jackson, Lindesfarne were a big name already. Then what's does Rod Stewart do adds insult to injury by getting a dj who can't play a note to pretend to play the Mandolin. That was a real slap in the face. It is that hook that starts the song and you know it's Maggie May before any singing. Come on Rod give the man his credit tell people the amazing hook and playing of the Mandolin is by Ray Jackson ex- Lindesfarne, and get it put on the albums it really wouldn't hurt you to do the decent thing.
The mandoling solo was the part that made me listing to FACES in 1971 in EL SALVADOR.
@@jole6303 Rod's massive EGO wouldn't let him do that. He'd end up in court if he did that now.
Wow. Maybe I shouldn't have watched this video. Kinda hurt my view of Stewart and this piece I'm trying to learn to play.
Best but in the song.
Did ray play on mandolin wind? I think its well better than maggie may
He did indeed......they liked his playing on reason to believe...so they got him to do mandolin wind, and of course, maggie may....
music bizz is dirty
"Ohio, America." That's distinct from Ohio, Belgium, I guess.
john peel thought???
it did stink very dishonest
It does sound like Rod Stewart acted like a bit of a shit. But to be fair, the musician's union rates were pretty good for the time and they was designed to compensate session players in full for their contributions.
If Stewart would have been told at the time that he'd have to give a percentage or cut of any profits the record might make to the mandolin player he might have opted to do a guitar solo instead.
If session musicians like Carol Kaye and Hal Blaine got a cut of the profits from records they played on they'd be multi-millionaires by now - as would session singers like Tessa Niles.
But if he had made that decision to cut the mandolin the record probably wouldn't have been the monster that it became. Greed is not a good thing and Ray deserves his 50 percent cut of this record. It's made millions.
@TheSmithDorian Finally, a sensible comment. It's the deal that was made. Without the songwriter, there is no song to play the solo over. Anyone that thinks a memorable solo = 50% of a song has no understanding of songwriting or the music business. Steve Lukather should get 50% of Beat It for the memorable riff & Eddie Van Halen should get 50% for the solo. The leaves nothing for MJ. Many artists played on each other's records for little or no financial compensation. Often it was uncredited because they didn't get explicit permission from their record company. The tongue in cheek comment about forgetting his name makes me think that might be the real reason. Ray Jackson didn't get permission to play on a different record label.
In this case, Ray Jackson got paid union scale. If the record had completely flopped, he'd have still had his 15 quid.
The mandolin looks like instruments of today.
Violins and electric guitars.
Always knew Rod Stewart was a plonker. Lindisfarne were a great band. That said, Every Picture is a tour de force.
I will probably always love Rod's voice and singing (phrasing) and many of the songs he wrote but account after account shows him a selfish person who wouldnt carry equipment in the early days when all were equal in a band, and being notorious for avoiding paying for drinks. I've never been surprised that he avoided giving credit for or paying extra for this iconic mandolin piece. Led Zep were similar in not crediting that the lead-in for Black mountainside came from Bert Jansch's version of Blackwaterside.
Really surprised that John Peel took part in such a shitty charade. Not at all surprised about Stewart, so far up himself anyway. Never mind Ray we know the truth.
its shitty that this geeza didnt get a fair slice of pie but this little riff is just that. anyone who plays mandolin can play it and it will have been played before. think of all the folk standards that where written by Anon; the songs remain yet nobody knows who originally penned them. there are just12 notes in western music and you can bet that all the notes, riffs, melodies and harmonies have been used, modified, forgotten and resurrected a million times before the advent of pop culture.
This ''little riff'' is what made the song a hit. EVERYONE I speak to, remembers that part before anything else. And with regards to the ''anyone can play it'' theory: yes but very few can write the songs as easily as they can play them. The song alone is average.
Ray should sue for 50%. He would probably win. There's no way in hell this isn't a co-write. Rod Stewart is a selfish old ass. Not even crediting him for his performance is the lowest of the low.
Whilst not wishing to downplay Jackson's contribution to the song he has twice taken his case to court and twice been rebuffed. Sad as it is he was paid the rate of a session musician for his part in the song. He perhaps ought to have been acknowledged for his work but wasn't. I note this clip is dated 2011 and it is now time everyone involved moved on. Digging up controversy over a song released in 1971 serves no purpose other than acting a bit like click bait for videos.
credict is due to ray.
@@elkaluzi agree with you.
That's the problem with signing a ''work for hire'' agreement. The fact that he tried to discredit him still stinks though and he could pay him a six figure peace offering cheque. He wouldn't miss the money and it made the record what it is.
@@elkaluzi Yes
YER BUT HOW MUCH did VIC FICK SELL ONe OF HIS GUITARS FOR. anyway the intellegent folk already know who made maggie may a hit, as usual a geordie, I have helped lots of people to become successfull , but doe's it bother me ,no, why cause am a geordie. al reet
No ray Jackson,means no Maggie may.simple as that rod,
Rod is a jab pusher…
Never liked Rod Stewart.
Rod was always known as tight -fisted, by those who knew him , as I did, but this story drags that into mean-minded , too, plius a few more adjectives as per expletives deleted...what goes around comes around, don't it??!! Someone -Her Majesty - please give Ray a knighthood!!
Stewart was a joke
The state's made rod
He only got 12 pounds for playing that on Maggie