Frank Zane will always be ideal (in my opinion) and Flex Wheeler is probably the last of their kind... now they'd be classed as "physique" (I think?), wearing board shorts at competitions.
@@chuckthetrooper Both Plato and Socrates were built like a brick house. Plato has even been stated to flex his muscles during debates to intimidate his opposition.
Realistically you don't need much more than "it is what it is" and work on yourself to the best of your abilities. Accepting reality is an often much better pragmatic, fruitful approach than living up to false ideals. After a certain point it's entirely your choice to warp your world view by these roid heads.
And he's one of the oldest bodybuilder's that is still alive. He'll likely live longer than all these 'modern' bodybuilder's as well cause most die off in their 20's or 30's.
I mean have you seen some of their physiques? They weren't just muscle bult on top of muscle, their bodies were literally deformed. I don't remember where I saw it but one dude literally just looked like he was pregnant and I just wanted to die inside seeing it. I hated that image so much I won't even try to look it up to confirm if I'm remembering it correctly. It was just plain gross. Arnold said it best in that interview, "The human body should beautiful." That wasn't beautiful.
I agree with Arnold, his era of body builder was focused on the aesthetic beauty of what a body could naturally be with amazing genes and hard work, the goal was to look like a Greek god, not a muscle monster. I mean he was literally cast as HeMan! Now it’s all about who can be the biggest, nobody wants to look like that.
What infuriates me about all of this is that social media and feminists will refuse to acknowledge that men go through the same thing women do when it comes to body image.
feminists regularly protest and shutdown means mental health programs... very simply showing what feminists really care about and what they dont, regardless of theyre words, theyre actions show the truth... they are a vile hateful cult.
I remember women constantly saying how the Barbie doll physique was an impossible standard and men had no idea what harm it was doing. Then when they were shown He-Man figures they said either "it's not the same" or "that's what guys should look like".
I remember when SJWs attacked Metal Gear Solid (yes it was 10 years ago) for "unrealistic female bodies" and MGS fangirls came out and trashed feminists saying that they were fine with busty muscular women being 90% of the female characters and the reasoning behind this was "we can't complain when almost all male characters are hyper muscular himbos wrestling eachother"
@@Lampoluke I remember a comic about one of the Dead or Alive games. A woman is playing this game and a genie pops up to grant a wish. She wishes for the character models to be realistic. The result? a couple of the more egregiously large breasted women get a Little smaller, their clothes get more practical and... that's it. The MEN on the other hand, change a Lot from the unrealistic fanservice nonsense models used to what people who actually train to fight like that actually look like: Either they have a LOT more fat on them or they're a a lot shorter with much smaller muscles. Because it turns out that the Base Line from which the vast majority of commonly accepted beauty standards derive* is Features Indicating Good Health (or, more accurately, features Understood, sometimes wrongly, to indicate good health). More so in terms of what men find attractive in women, as there's the whole 'actually likely to survive childbirth absent modern medicine' aspect that isn't relevant in the other direction, but it applies both ways. *a lot of other factors stack on top of this mind you, but if you're going for generic mass appeal this is relevant.
As a guy the general rule is leave your feelings at home because no one cares about them I'll always remember something my late grandfather used to say all the time when things got hard and after his mom died "Men don't cry" and as a general rule that's what people expect.
As a guy myself i was told it was ok to show my feelings and the very people who told me this when i did, would ignore me or tell me to get over it or tough it out. I was confused for years on what to do until i just naturally gave up and kept it all in, like people will say it ok but never wanna deal with the situation when it happens. Its no wonder younger generations of guys are so lost and confused
I've been told that men do cry, but just not like women. Women can cry when they're happy, sad, frustrated, angry, etc... Men only cry when they suffer.
Well that's not totally true, we do cry at those things, but we do so in private. If we cry publicly or around other people though... Yeah then we're going through some shit @@YourLocalCopiumDealer
Indeed, but I've just started telling people to fuk off. I don't have to follow their rules, especially when it means putting all this effort and restraint in for people who don't care about you.
I'll always remember when my grandpa died. I was suicidal at the time, but I was holding it all in. I made an off the cuff comment to my dad saying "my throat kinda hurts" and he looked me in the eyes and just said, "It's ok." The dam fucking *Broke*. I've never felt so low in my life and made a commitment to be more honest with myself. It revolutionized how I approach things.
There's also a big difference between being fat and being bulky/stocky. Sure you can be both, but being one doesn't necessarily mean the other. Im a 6'1 280lb big boy, and I've got buddies that'll make jokes (idc its all in good fun), so I'll tell em "alright, go ahead and hit me in the stomach and lets see how soft I am". Most of the time, their hand ends up getting hurt worse than me. I ain't gonna deny I could definitely drop some weight, but even if i get "skinny" compared to what I am now, Im still gonna be a big mf🤣.
Look at the world's strongmen. The guys who flip thousand-pound tires look, as some people may point out, "doughy". That doesn't change the fact that they can toss you.
@@darcidious99there’s nothing wrong with being overweight it’s bad when you choose to double down and add more weight instead of of lose it and not even try to be healthy
@@jackratscratpack9323 And that's my problem with the whole "body acceptance" SJW bullcrap, its not healthy, those giant lardballs will probably die of a stroke at the age of 30, if even that, because 300 pounds using a walker or a double-wide mobility scooter due to small muscles not meant for that mass while being only 5 foot 3 is most certainly not healthy. I was actually feeling a bit unhealthy at 190 pounds, so I moved my breakfast calories to the afternoon and early evening and with no other change in intake I lost 40 pounds, had more energy every morning, had better stamina, could breathe easier and my thoughts were clearer, also my damaged right knee and my right thumb joint that I slammed into a floor in elementary school at over 20 km/h stopped having clicking issues as frequently as before, and I have a slow metabolism from my mother's side of the family, she's kinda big as a result but is also slimming down, if slower than me due to age, since she started the same eating habit as me, my dad was 280 pounds and started this diet two years ago, he's now 190 pounds and much more spry even in his early-mid 60s.
There's an anecdote from way back in the day about jury members not finding certain people guilty because surely no person who looked that attractive could be so evil
Don't forget that when women got the right to vote, the very first thing they did is vote for the best looking guy. I forgot the guy's name, but family guy did a joke on it. While it was a joke on Family Guy, it's 100% true.
Does anyone remember the Boston Bomber? I remember being shocked and disgusted cuz I'd see "fan" groups of women claiming one of them couldn't possibly be an evil terrorist because he was too good looking.
@@okairoReminds me of the meme where a woman says she hates how unsafe it is to walk around then she dates a hot ex-convict and votes to have no cash bail 😂
I remember when I first heared of unrealistic body standards. The point was made that it really hurts women, and when it was pointed out that male characters are unrealistic as well, the response was always "the women are made sexy to appeal to men, and men are made as a power fantasy for men". It was such a bogus argument and time has proven how stupid it was.
no, that statement is 100% true and 2 things can be true at the same time, men were made as a power fantasy for men And also to be attractive too, but women were almost always relegated towards being just sexy and being strong, but only some of the times. If we're really being honest here, you know well that male characters almost always take on the true power fantasy to its end, I have yet to see a show where a strong sexy woman is the one to beat say Darkseid if we're talking JL, or Apocalypse if we're talking X-Men, because any concession like this made always falls short. Think about it if it was done oppositely, if you had guys being slowly shoved to the wayside so women can hog up almost all of the spotlights, people would cry foul on that, right? because female characters don't generally get to have a true power fantasy like that, anytime that they do is extremely rare and I know this too well, because I've grown up with these shows people obsess over now from the 80s, 90s and 2000s.
@68 I won't deny that male and female characters are treated differently and this was certainly more true in the past. I appriciate the effort in your response but I don't think you're seeing the point I'm making here. If media shapes our expectations, and unrealistic expectations hurt the associated demographic, then why wouldn't unrealisitc power fantasies hurt men? Most guys aren't going to able to beat up Darkseid (or the real world equivalent). How is that not an unrealisitc standard? You can't say "it's made by men for men so it's fine" because the adults making DC movies aren't the same teenage boys hurt by unrealistic standards. And even if they were, we should still care for people with self-inflicted wounds. If someone is engaging in self harming behaviour we don't blame them for it. Beyond that, the framing omits key details for the sake of the narrative: 1. Being attractive gives you status. Status gives you influence. Influence is power. "Being attractive" is a power fantasy. Being "the person worth rescuing" is a position of power. 2. If you check out media created and disproportionatly consumed by women you'll see the same trends: Competent men and attractive women. The truth is that many women like this as well. It's a bogus argument because it's based on a biased framing and completely irrelevant to the issue that was raised.
@@simongotborg3866 a bit late on this. what I mean by shaping our expectations isn't necessarily about what to expect in real life, it's about the expectations we have in the media we go to watch. The thing is, I get what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing with anything you said, the way that I see it though is that male characters need a lot more variety and to rely less on the same covered characteristics many times over. On the points you mentioned, the thing about power that you said there, it's true to an extent, as I explained this before that power fantasy you're describing is inherently limited, or, it's just purely a sexual fantasy.. No judgment there, male superheroes get that too, being attractive is being attractive after all and they can certainly be pined for, but at that point it feels kinda small in the grand scheme of things since you know, you can make the comparison of the "I Can do Anything you Can do Better!" musical number, except in this case, it's honestly kinda true.. ^^ I mean you could say that women have more advantage there as being more emotionally mature usually and I can give you that point, but I feel like we're settling for a sorta small consolation prize with this, right? because the power fantasy in this only goes so far, when compared to the power fantasy of taking down the big bad which goes all of the way. Lastly, I think that sounds a lot like rationalization. For example, if we lived in the times where only the Emperor of Rome and his trustees could be portrayed in media and that media was still great, would you make the same argument that commoners don't want to see themselves, because they like seeing the Emperor and his peers on screen? the point there being that, if no other meaningful choice exists to counter the predominant one, there's not much of a comparison there. That's kinda the point I'm getting at here, there's blindspots that I'm seeing many people avoiding in this broader discussion and this blindspots hurt creativity in a different way, by having it become oversaturated with the predominant things, something that saps away at people's excitement. Again, if we only had the Emperor and his posse being the predominant ones portrayed, that would get oversaturated quick, this problem is the same as that but on a bigger scale, where one sex feels overrepresented. What I'm saying? We need more interesting, and don't get me wrong, all I said before I didn't say because I want sexy ladies that make me go Awooga to go away, I want those sexy ladies, as well as more interesting things and in this discussion, I don't think it's a case of needing to choose between only one or the other, I think we can have both. Often it's the first taste tells you that something is great and you need more of that and for me, some of those that I can recall right now were Megamind and Into the Spider Verse.
True. They definitely got dudes by making it the minimum standard that women want. That dating 80/20 split that modern society is facing are those expectations in play. All these drugs to get in that top 20 to have all(80%) of the women.
Wait, we face that every day? I work and sleep. i don't see a lot of that shit. Also, all the women i know were impressed by my physique. Meanwhile, i think i am at "dad bod" territory currently. Idk what's going on in the US of A
As you can clearly see this "Vtuber DIDN'T KNOW" men can suffer, the fucking joke is clear as the sunshine SHE WANTS TO BE DIFFERENT other Vtubers didn't realize what is different .. but you guys should KNOW the difference!
@@torstwolf8742Perceptions have been altered - what was considered to be 'good' is no longer 'good enough'. If you don't have a presence on social media, or consume it - you're doing so much better than others out there that have grown up with phones and computers firmly in their hands since they were on this earth.
I don't blame her at all for not knowing any of this. How would she? This isn't common to talk about. It makes me happy she's watching stuff with an open mind.
"Men have everything handed to them, have every thing easy, and are the oppressors" is the normie take you must have to avoid the hate mob sometimes. So many on social media bending to that a few years back just like the smoking ads back in the day. Say anything about it and you get labeled nazi. Even 30 years ago bet kids were doing roids for the football team. The Program (1993) had roids and stuff college ball but was more known for the highway fear challenge. Kids tried and died. So that part was removed from the movie. Gonna have another moral panic again soon to sell us something else. Just don't know what yet.
It should be common knowledge....all information should be available to everyone. Censorship of steroidal information is what's causing these deaths. They can't freely get accurate information so they're using information they got from their gym bro. Steroids have different effect for different people, they are genetically dependant drugs!!
When i was 10 i was fat boy and everyone bullied me because of that, then i stopped eating for half year and i went slim. But then I started to hear that im too skinny. So i went to gym. Now i hear i have small legs. Moral of the story - im too much concentrated on others opinions and thats why i never had gf i guess 😅😭
@@ShizuKanazawa being in gyms now seems to a like a club lot of poking fun. its always sonething. " missed leg day " joke, etc... and to be honest not a huge amount of people today are in long term relationships. and " situation-ship " ( whatever term makes some women feel good ) doesnt count. one shorter guy said hes glad he dodged this future culture by not having todays g/f.
I remember that. I used to work at a supplement warehouse where one of the freebie magazines we'd put in each box had his "fitness journey" as the cover story.
@Ads-C that not really true tho, I've seen plenty of interviews, and people (women) generally have no clue what a dad bod even is. Hint, it's not Jason mamoa...
That fitness UA-camr who died as a result of his routine? Wikipedia doesn't even know he was a thing. He died for nothing, not even a footnote in collective memory.
My boyfriend used to struggle with such expectations when he, as slim guy, kept getting mocked for his body. Before I met him I had no idea men deal with that.
i still have a hard time believing all these women i flirted with that they find my body attractive when i perceive myself as a lean twig. i know it's fucked up but it's jhard seeing it throught your lense. Please go tell your boyfriend he's hot ahah
If they got nothing they will make shit up. That's just how it goes. Same both ways. They'd say my chest a foot thick and make fun cuz I'm short. Usually something to find. So you either have to be like them and throw back or ignore it. Or you could embrace it. Like when they call the big guy tiny. Just about no escape unless ya find an entire group of polite people. Near impossible growing up.
So many people joke about male bodies being disgusting, unless they look like a male model, that men internalize it. I actually had to learn from my straight girlfriend that she liked looking at my average body, and that she didn't get aroused when looking at females bodies. Sounds stupid, but that's what decades of "male bodies disgusting unless they're models, female bodies always hot" does to someone's brain.
Arnold Schwarzenegger once stated he reduced his training regime because he got tired of not being able to bend his arms enough to scratch his own back.
Yeah, he was literally unable to do parts of the swordfighting while filming the Conan the Barbarian movie because he could not move his arms enough for it.
I think we need to remember to hold women accountable for their part in this problem. Guys don't just see marketing and magazines and movies and feel bad. That part doesn't actually make them feel bad. What makes men feel bad is being rejected by women for not looking like Efron with 0% body fat. We don't care what any media is portraying. We don't feel inadequate because Thor's physique is being flaunted. We feel inadequate because Thor is what every woman wants, and anything else is "settling," which, even if we don't get rejected, we end up feeling temporary, and we believe that we will be discarded once Thor does show up.
12:50 Yeah, they were labling him as a "dad bod" but for the movies they have to water fast for 2-3 days so the skin shrinks around the muscles and fat basically disappears. They're pretty much dehydrated to the brink of death for their shirtless shots. The shot there is basically him with the same physique but hydrated. "Dads don't have bods like that" Hey, I'm trying. That's a 2 player adventure, though. XD
yeah, anyone who looks like that is generally on the brink of death. body building competitions? those guys are lucky they survive the walk back stage.
Reminds me of the meme photo: On the one side, a picture of Barbie: "Barbie sets a negative stereotype for women" On the right, an image, and the caption: "This is He-Man" (Even the female dolls in the He-man toyline were ripped and waaaay more unachievable beauty wise than Barbie ever was)
It's downright hilarious how no one outside of the anglosphere is b¡tching about "unrealistic body standards". Like if you travel to Europe or Asia, where there aren't 5-10 fast food shacks in a single street back to back unlike the USA, ask people if beauty standards are a problem.
ads. notice how in ads all men are tall handsome and build (muscular), never fat old and half balding? while women in adds can have any shape from morbidly obese to skinny as a skeleton?
this reminds me that one of the women who essentialy worked for feminism - she is around 50-60 now? was talking about how lot of people completely lost that it was fight for same conditions and it went into other extreme, with men unable to get parental rights
I only notice the strange women for modeling as I don't see many ads. They are picked because they breaks the golden ratio most of the time have some strange oddity that stands out.
I workout, don't use any gear, and stay off social media. It's hit the point where lifting and cardio is fun, and something I look forward to doing. I'm sure my regime isn't perfect, but it's healthy, and it yields healthy results physically and mentally. Remember, comparison is the thief of joy.
The idealized male physique is more unrealistic than the idealized female. There are two reasons that it isn't seen as a big issue imo First, the "men bad women are oppressed" mindset Second, most men see batman and think "I need to go to the gym to be like batman" (even if they never go to the gym.) Whereas many women seem to just get upset when they see a skinny female character or whatever.
So you saying that woman "over-react" when it come body image. Now i might have been reading it wtong, but is that not a contradiction to " the men bad, woman oppressed" thing you said before?
@@testaklese perhaps I should be more tactful and ask specifically what you meant. Because you might be going for " some women react different to a particular body image than men would, " than MANY women seem to get upset with a skinny female character" Now I I know I sound harsh, and I should apologized but after reading a dozen comments, b basically misrepresenting " men bad, woman oppressed crowd" it kinda irritating.
@@woaddragon I'm describing the "men bad" crowd as a separate issue. My second point is not even saying that there's anything bad, just that many women react differently than most men
@@testaklese while I understand what you meant, the issue I have with the last sentence of original statement is it implications. I understand when men and woman reactions to the " unrealistic idealized form" they are different, but for a person who seem ready to argue of how. A idealized male physique is more unrealistic than a female one, you seem downplay what some woman issue with body image with " getting upset skinny woman." Yeah I understand that " or whatever" could mean " that is more complicated" but still, wish it was clearly stated.
I feel videos like these should actually be mandatory in health class in schools at this point. Both the unrealistic standards for males and females, and the atrocities people do to their bodies to try and achieve these.
Put it under foot binding too and other odd things around the world. Then when you think Olympics and gymnast the little girls that never grow cuz they doing that at such a young age. The dudes on the rings got some bad ass looking shoulder tho. Sacrifice for a sport might not be the same as pure looks but should be adjacent to know what sacrifices are made. Just like signing your death wavier for combat sports or football.
When i was 18, I was almost 300 pounds. I spent most of my late teens and early 20s starving myself and working out 6 days a week. I had so little energy to do anything else, it took an intervention by my family and friends and finally going to my doctor to break me from it. As of last christmas, i had gained almost all the weight back. And now I've set up a reasonable goal to lose weight, I'm looking to lose about a pound a week. (By moderate exercise and eating within a calorie threshold.) Stay strong everyone. I believe in all of you
Cut out seed oils and sugar while you’re at it. Everyone is different when it comes to the diet that works best for them, but these two things are universal.
I lost 40 pounds in less than a year by moving my breakfast calories to the afternoon and early evening. I eat at 1 PM and stop eating anything by 8 or 9 PM depending on how I'm feeling that day, some days I extend my fast to 2 PM and on days where I had very bad sleep I eat at half past 12 PM or so instead. I didn't stop eating healthy meals, nor did I cut out my chips, potato sticks, ice cream and chocolates. Breakfast is one of the worst things you can do to your body, since without the extended fasting period in the morning, you load down your body that early with digesting more stuff and your liver doesn't have enough time to clear out its fatty acids and whatnot, so move breakfast to the afternoon, or merge it with lunch, and you should see a lot of returns. You'll notice at first that you feel a bit more tired in the mornings since your body is still expecting and preparing for food, getting things ready to eat without stopping the fast yet, but as the first few days pass your body basically sighs in relief and starts focusing your energy towards your liver, brain and muscles instead of your stomach and intestines, making you more energetic in the mornings and allowing your body to do extended maintenance on itself even after waking up from sleep. If you notice some aches in your sternum, you should probably first have at least a semblance of a breakfast, but keep gradually and gently pushing it back until you find yourself no longer eating before lunch at all and finding that your body is no longer aching for food, as its gotten used to a healthier intake pattern. Our ancestors would wake up at 5 AM and work until like 1 or 2 PM, have a big lunch and then do lower-intensity tasks in the afternoon, then have a big hearty dinner with lots of protein from beans and meat and anything else, then socialize with family and community as they digest it all and relax and have fun, tell stories to the kids and whatnot, then turn in for the night at like 9 PM, get 8 hours of sleep and wake with the rooster's call. Those folks, despite losing perhaps half of their children at birth due to poor healthcare, lived into the late 80s and early 90s without much issue, now we can only manage our early 80s at best for women and mid-70s for men. Breakfast is one among several likely causes.
Dieting can be weird, because a lot of it is about finding out what works. I recommend doing stuff to boost your metabolic rate, when your metabolism is working right you can eat a lot and still lose weight
When I was 33 I decided "enough weight is enough". I'd hit 363 pounds. Dropped down to 270 or so within about a year. Good times, I was basically a wardrobe with REALLY thick legs, tougher and stronger than I'd ever been. Sadly, things happened, picked up some more weight (about 20lbs). Pushing to get them off me. I'm not even aiming to be below 200lbs. Frankly, being below 200 would feel REALLY bad for me because I LIKE the amount of muscle I've put on and I don't want to lose it. So, instead of piling on fat tissue, I've decided on turning my fat to muscle. No medications, no whey proteins and the like. Just good ol' protein-focused diet and hitting the gym 5 days/week. So far, it's been going great. I'm not where I was in endurance, but I'm higher in strength, muscle control and overall mobility. Soon I'll be able to buy the shirts and pants I want, instead of going to the XXXL shops, and whoo is that an ego boost :D
I am constantly ridiculed for my leaner, track-and-field build whenever I try to talk to women. Most of the time it’s the first thing they mention and subsequently say, “ew, bye”. Doesn’t matter that I dress well, I smell good, I speak eloquently, and I try to carry myself with a positive attitude. Apparently if I don’t look like I could arm-wrestle the sun, I’m inadequate.
All I can say is that you're fishing in the wrong pond, then. Unless you're a male model, superficial people like you're describing will always find something wrong with you. Try to meet more grounded, "normal" women. You might have to out of your way to find them, but it will be worth it and they tend to be more mentally stable anyway.
You’re fishing in the wrong pond. I got the 2nd most attention from girls I have ever gotten when I was 16-19 and had a skinny track and field body. I was a mid distance runner (400, 800, 1600) and weighed like 130 lbs at 5’10”
I have been a legit exercise addict for 20 years that has struggled (even still) with body dysmorphia. Hearing about 14 year olds on tren, and seeing all the misinformation on social media, it makes me genuinely worried about the future of young men.
The tragedy about all of this is this: men are getting exploited and getting body dysmorphia about some things they just can't change. When we see unrealistic expectations in women it's seen as horrible or even wrong (depending on which circles), see one of the recent Spiderman games where MJ was made to be... not even normal but hyper unattractive. Meanwhile when this same thing happens to men we're expected to be that. If it's in the reverse we're seen as sexist or "fatphobic." It's an unwinnable double standard. Something that won't change until we see just how BS everything in advertising is. Live well, fellow kings. You don't have to be perfect.
Trying to please a woman's insane expectations of what a man is leads ya into their ideals of form over function. If it's all for show, at that point get makeup and learn to shadow so they look better or learn photoshop.
Generally that's the way it works. I started working out over 20 years ago for woman. After a few years and realizing I didn't get more women for being fit, I needed to change my mindset.
They are beginning to talk like that because effeminate thought patterns are contaminating guys' minds. You need to be really self centered and self obsessed to come to the conclusion that if you fail to live up to society's expectations, that you need to socially engineer expectations away to feel better about yourself. It's all feminine avoiding of an ego injury by outsourcing accountability type thinking.
Some more than others, my single mom will complain endlessly about plastic surgery in women but still laughs in my face everytime cirumcision is hinted at. Then you call me a monster for suggesting womens body image isnt a problem because its a choice they get to make.
I failed Women's Studies in college because of stuff like this. The Dad Bod is a good example. They showed women and the standards they have to live to, while men walk around with Dad Bods and its no big deal - she then shows pictures of Leo Dicaprio and Russel Crowe with their bellies, and the class (mostly women) laughed. And then wonder why men will bite a bullet.
@@boredboi6279 yes, literally. Although with more factors than just this one, obviously/hopefully. They go unnoticed and unresolved, or noticed and ridiculed, and pile up all throughout life. It is one of 200 pins and needles. It was mandatory towards a degree in Criminology. No doubt part of the whole "sensitivity learning".
@@Aughtel oh ok I've just never seen someone mean it literally also from what you said about sensitivity I doubt any of those girls were honest in whatever test you guys had to do
@@boredboi6279 probably never seen it because the embarrassment someone could feel over it. "Such a petty thing. Grow up, man up, shut up". "Women cry over their bodies, not men". Offs himself, he's "weak", "an incel that couldn't get laid", "oooh he had problems with self esteem? I haven't felt good about myself since 19XX. We all got problems, buddy." "Probably was emo and wrote poetry, cried and watched romcoms". I can't comment about tests and such. I don't know how they did it what they answered. Only teacher+student interactions.
On the "the body doesn't stop growing until something like 20"... The brain doesn't stop developing until around 25 (mid to late 20s according to a google search), but people still push for being able to drink alcohol (which affects the brain negatively) and lately marijuana as well (also affects the brain). It's amazing what people will do to satisfy their vices and/or insecurities.
around 25 when it talks about self removal....there's a lot more coming with that in the future sadly. One of the biggest deterrents for people like that is having family and friends that will miss them, but with friendships being rarer, and older family dying there will be a lot more.
Years ago, somebody pointed this out on tumblr. It was, unfortunately, around the same time tumblr experimented with letting g you change photos and gifs from previous reblogs when you rebloged. As a result, a post about the fact that impossible body standards didn’t just affect women turned into mocking men for thinking they had any hardships at all.
Alana is correct. The insecurities of a person are insane. I have seen how horrible cosmetic surgery is for both males and females and how sad it influences others where cosmetic surgery is for victims in horrifying incidents. The one who instantly comes to mind for example is lil kim from the 90s to current times. Now Nicki Minaj called her fanbase "Barbies" while almost looking like one just like Lil Kim.
what is interesting is how same trends cycle... in 80s musculature was on top, all action movies had jacked up people, then in 90s "normal guy" took over like Bruce Willis and Keanu and those types were mainstream... now we are back to 80s trends but pushing it even more to the extreme.
I remember watching a Ted talk about a movie director interviewing the men activist/awareness campaign happening a couple of years. She originally was going to expose the movement for the misogynist illusion of justice it was (kinda ironic considering modern day). As she questioned more and more member however, she realized there was genuine merit to the men in the statement of these members. Statements related to court cases, sexual harassment, and other legal issues. The director made the realization that she wasn’t questioning to learn, she was questioning to find the reason to hate. With these findings she would go on to make a film about the reality of the movement, and it would gain some traction. Not because it was enlightening, not because it was well made, but they saw her as a traitor. It all on a ted talk, and I respect her for the steps she took. But I made the statement that it was too little too late. So you can imagine my shock when my counselor said she was sorry for not recognizing my emotional destress sooner. I blocked the apology, but she said that it wasn’t okay. And she apologized again. It still a core memory for me, but I can’t help but be scared of it
@@Blackraptor1234 I would say I didn’t like going to counsel meetings. The breakdown was more a byproduct of the stress I was feeling. At the end of the day I was saying that it felt horrifying to have someone reflect an apology and apologize to me for once
In the UK we banned Beach Body Ready posters. These were just slim young women. Not actually that difficult a physique to attain with a good diet and moderate, regular cardio. But it was absolutely unacceptable in our gynocentric culture. They later put up beach body ready but with hogs instead of models.
Even worse for "male body standards" are things men cant even change without painful, invasive surgery like height. A man can be fit, ripped even, but if he's under 6' it's over then he'll still fall below the MBS.
That and balding. While minoxidil (for hair growth/regrowth) and finasteride/dutasteride (block the DHT responsible for hair loss) can bring it back, it’s a lot of effort and in some instances, a lifelong commitment. A hair transplant is another option but it absolutely destroys one’s self esteem
@@suruxstrawde8322 If you want to say something, say it clearly, rather than dance around the subject. Human communication is fucked as it is already, no need to complicate it even further with the other side needing to read between the lines.
I remember back when I was muscular when I was in jiu-jitsu. I thought I was still fat, lost moral and completely stopped going. Now I'm just fat, but trying to get fit again at almost 30, it's so much harder than it was back when I was younger. If you're young and can see a small belly, don't be discouraged. It's normal
When I was younger, I did bodybuilding for a hobby and got pretty low but hit a limit. I remember talking to some of the guys that did bodybuilding for a living and the "advice" they told me, really woke me up about the whole situation. I cut back on it after I found out about all the other stuff, but I decided to stop when I finally broke less than 5% body fat. Within the week I was sick, within a month I was depressed, and within half of a year I was in the hospital. After I got out, I stopped taking supplements, and only worked out when I felt like it. Eventually I had to stop working out all together because the expense of food was too damn high. The peak was 6 full gallons of Milk, 12 dozen eggs, 4 heads of lettuce, over 7lbs of beef, and 13 rolls of bread a week. That was just standard. That's not counting all the shakes, fruits and veggies. I try to tell the younger generation to work out as much as it takes to get you in shape. Run two miles without gassing out and the ability to lift your weight, and you are good. GOD made us all with different bodies and we should appreciate it. Stop watching Hollywood.
I learned this when I took my girlfriend to see the first Thor movie 😅 Packed theatre, dead quiet ... shirtless Thor walks on screen and every woman in the theatre (including the one I was with) had a involuntary sharp inhale 😑
I found out what the world thought about men back in Highschool. You aren't allowed to show any weakness or emotion. The moment you do, you go from the "funny, strong handsome guy" to everyone's punching bag at the snap of fingers. I'm not complaining. It filtered out the worthless people in my life.
What’s even crazier is that Marc Randolph (co-founder and first CEO of Netflix) is Edward Bernays’ grand nephew and is also Sigmund Freud’s great grand nephew. You could say it runs in the family.
Some of the things said made me wonder... did she really see the whole picture of the issue, or is it so tainted and obscured that it's impossible to see if fully for women...
@@thescouts4734 probably the latter. These days, toxic feminism and individualism is the cool thing for women. I am not even sure if the majority of them even think about how their behaviour impacts other people around them. Truly ashamed of the behaviour people of my own gender manifest.
It's understandable that in a society drowning in excess, the virtue that muscle definition signals (abstaining from fattening foods) is more impressive and more valuable than the virtue that big muscles signal (being consistently physically active).
I remember working out like crazy in my teenage years cause I was always told “it was the only way women would be attracted to me”, it worked to get me laid, but really nothing else, relationships were hollow, I failed high school, etc. I stopped trying to compare myself to the Hollywood bodies and actually started caring about myself legitimately and I’ve been the better for it
DUDE I started going to the gym when I was like 17, because I also had some pretty big issues with feeling too skinny. I clearly remember, one year after starting (still feeling insecure AF) and working in the front yard of my parents house when the neighbours kid (~2 years younger than me) came out w/o a shirt on (probably to show off). This guy was SHREDDED, like 100% on juice like he wasnt even trying to hide it and it was so bad that it shocked me into looking at myself in a kinder way... That image just stuck with me, 15/16 year old lil dude with a pump like he was wearing one of those silicone muscle suits...
bubble gut is due to their organs growing as an adaptation response to the sheer amount of food their bodies need to process in short periods of time to maintain muscle mass (paraphrasing DR Mike from RP Periodization)
No it ain’t there’s plenty of people that exercise and eat a lot and don’t have bubble guts my brother has a completely natural flat stomach and is skinny muscular and I’m fat and we eat a even amount of food heck he might actually eat more than me.
That’s a cope from him. It’s from using insulin as a performance enhancing drug. It can be done without creating that look, but that is a thin line to walk.
@@Taz-ey4jl well that can be explained pretty simply by you and your brother having different BMRs (basal metabolic rate) if you do consume the exact same food (drinks and snacks included) in the same quantities. I encourage you to educate yourself on this because it isn't magic, its science. if you consume more energy than what your body can use, it will be stored as fat. and fat is not what is giving them these 'bubble guts', it is the size of their organs that have grown. Also I dont think you realise the volume of food these bodybuilders with bubble gut consume (alongside other 'supplements'). Go look at what a strongman diet consists of and maybe you will understand.
@@Bryan_ZA Its like a whole carton of a dozen large eggs every morning, right? Just 12 eggs into a blender, 80 grams of protein from the egg whites and the other minerals in the egg yokes? That's an insane amount. And don't they even drink one of those more than once a day? Eating before noon is not healthy, breakfast isn't healthy at all, but that kind of diet is just to keep up with the obscene workout demands they place on themselves.
Body builders vs Strong men, one uses a lot of oil and works out for their looks... the other trains to pull entire jetliners, lift cars and carry boulders heavier than themselves
Biologically, the strongest dudes are like that genetically and do nothing to maintain it. They're specifically called mesomorphs, and their metabolisms just funnel protein into muscles and has low catabolism. But cause of all this they typically see themselves as obese cause that slower metabolism means they're almost always a bit chubby. But around 50% of that weight is usually muscle.
@@suruxstrawde8322 not to mention the fact that muscle tissue will always have more mass than fat tissue. so that's why you can't trust the numbers on the scale either
Mental health really isn’t talked about enough, for both men and women. I remember trying to get help from a therapist a few years back before the lockdowns due to a past experience in my life, we met once…she said she would call me back for a follow-up….she didn’t. Never heard from her again, even after calling the place back myself here and there for 2 months straight, I finally accepted that in the end…you can only help yourself.
The truth is that men are really just as emotional as women. It's all just culture. We're trained form childhood not to be open about our emotions, which coupled with testostorone leads to supressed emotions, leading to us being misserable, lonely, isolated and angry
The worst part is people dismiss it so easily and just call you insecure or whatever. I am confident in myself and my abilities, but that does not hide or change the fact that people view me differently for being shorter than average. A feature I definitely had no choice in.
@@rorsie 100% My experience as well. My other struggles in academics, weight loss, and discipline all can be changed through persistence and hard work. But my height? What am I supposed to do find new parents?
@@NexGenRogueEvery man and woman becomes a subtle eugenicist the moment they encounter a short man. It's eugenics and that's bad. And yeah... short men DO get discriminated against, more ways than one. The treatment is WORLDS apart from average and above height. Sometimes it is so subtle you don't even notice it at first. I did... and it's why I stopped going to one restaurant chain specifically. Worst part is how tall muscular men will try to gaslight you into thinking that going to the gym and being short but muscular is still gonna be an improvement... that's a lie. They are just giving you false hope. No matter how buff and healthy you will be, your short stature will be the biggest detriment. Always. There is nothing you can do.... except become a millionaire... but that's not gonna happen either.
bro im 5"4 man, like there'll always be people worse off. I know its not the best way of helping but quite frankly id give a ton to be your height just like how you would probably give a ton to be 5"10
@@rorsie I think people dismiss it because it's self-evident that you're always judged on things outside of your control, and most of us prefer not to dwell on it. if you're ugly, short, act weird ( not neurotypical), have some kind of disease, low IQ, etc etc... all are innate and people judge you for them nonetheless. most of your life is deciced before you exit the womb by the dice roll of genetic recombination
The sad thing is, as we're growing, society tells to cut out parts of our character, our soul, if you will. For men, that usually has to do with emotions and the like. But, that's not something that can be done, at best, you can hide it and project it onto another person. The problem we have in society is that women's souls are allowed to be fully in the open, but men are still expected to hide a significant portion of theirs. They can't project onto anyone else. Marketers know this and are intentionally exploiting it, destroying male mental and physical health for a quick buck. And god forbid someone tries to start the conversation, then a cavalcade of idiots emerges from the woodwork, claiming everything from misogyny to not being manly enough to try to shut them up.
I have heard a story of a criminal who was using very often and when he was in prison was begging and almost crying for weeks because he had withdrawal and had no access. Short term solutions don't work for long term problems. Good video.
Literally no sports men have a physique even near to body builders, like climbers are so skinny but somehow they can lift their entire body with one arm, heavy lifters are considered fat but they can lift stuff heavier than them. Some body builders have problems moving from the muscles, they pratically actually get weaker than stronger.
There are few videos showing rock climbers lifting more than bodybuilders. There is a difference between training muscles and doing techniques to increase the physical size of a muscle.
There is a memory that’s forever stuck in my head: It was a local Ninja Warrior tryout, the contestant was this REALLY BUFF dude that the announcers were hyping up and the crowds were cheering really loudly for. He ended up failing when he couldn’t straighten his arms to reach the ledge because of those big muscles. I was only 8 years old at the time so I think much of it but as I got older and learnt about this trend, I recall that memory and realise “Wow this is bullshit.”
I totally get people who undergo operations to get few inches of height. Like everywhere you go you see messaging (mostly from women) that no one really wants men under 6ft. Like what you should do if you are under 6ft? Respawn?
The message comes from mostly men from my experience. Started with the women I'm sure, but it's fellow guys who have harassed me and told me I'm worthless (to women?). At least the women hold their opinions to themselves regardless of their thoughts on it.
@@wastrelperv I mean, I rather want people to say sh*t about me to my face than them say sh*t about me behind my back. So I can block off those people who being toxic af.
@@Vibe_Master_007 You assume people talk about me behind my back. Perhaps some do, but I'm hardly worth conversation. It'd be a little delusional for me to think myself that noteworthy. I'm a peer, a classmate, a co-worker. People would have to be very pathetic and bored to talk about me of all things.
Greg Doucette (The loud yelly man) is actually really wholesome and gives good advice. He is a bodybuilder but is against drugs. He also differentiates what you do for the short term for a competition and what you do normally. His food advice in particular is quite good.
@@albertzinger7132 Doesn't sound absurd at all. Communist countries get/got druggies into the Olympics as a regular. Of course it would start in dedicated schooling.
i will never forget that clip going around in bodybuilder ytubers - where some girls saw two pictures of the same guy, they didnt know it is the same guy, and it was world record holder in body building world - and they called him dad bod...
Build for Practicality and build for looks is true, at least in my experience. I worked Construction, with nobody having a 'ripped' body, those men had more like a strongman build. They would have beer guts and still pick you up and throw you to the second floor. Funnily enough, there was a bet one day, where a Gym-bro of one of the coworkers, ripped as hell, came to the construction site and bet his friend, that he could keep up, cause his body was not only for show (he had a deadlift of somewhere around 300 pounds). He gave up 3 hours into shoveling dirt while his friend was barely breaking a sweat while shoveling twice as fast.
I, as a young adult man, face so much mental anguish, over MANY other things, I find it easier to pretend that nothing is happening than to face it all. Because if I do, it would completely break me.
The difference between body builders and strongman competitors is one picturesque muscles and other builds functional muscles. Same reason why you don't mess with the farm kid. May not look like much but he can sling you around like a baby calf.
I knew a guy he started working out extensively, even after his body was ripped and in prime shape he did not stop. Like an addict, his entire persona was consumed by being a gym bro. He was an overall unhappy kid, but once he started this new "hobby" of his, he was content it seemed. He basically got any woman he wanted in bars, life seemed good. Years later when he was already ripped, he was unhappy again. He continued going to the gym, religiously in hopes it would "fix" him like it did before. 3 years later he unalived himself. Various mental health issues, depression being the largest.
Cellulite is sort of a problem in that it is a collagen disorder and is typically caused by hormone changes. Typically excess estrogen. So it's pretty common during pregnancy, taking hormone replacement therapy, taking birth control pills, or even menopause where aromatase enzymes are produced via skin and fat cells converting testosterone to estrogen. Besides the look, it can also be an indicator that circulation is suffering, muscles atrophying, and expect poor sleep because natural melatonin production will probably be significantly reduced. The look is just a symptom of a greater problem. Problems that do have solutions or at least ways to reduce the impact over time.
That's pretty fair ngl though there was a time in my life where I thought how cool it'd be to look like Baki but now I know the amount of starvation and dehydration I'd need to go through for that I'm good
"Just follow the ancestral tenants and you too can get a girlfriend" 6 years ago I was significantly less fit than I am now and I was asked out by a coworker I thought was positively beautiful. We lasted about two years and it was good. But clearly my looks had nothing to do with it because I wouldn't have dated me based on that. Now I look way better but I'm a total loner because I work graveyard and speak to virtually nobody. Fitness is not the problem guys.
That's a statement that needs several addendums. Because fitness CAN help but it should always be something you engage in for your sake and most importantly, using temperance.
Its a shame but don't beat yourself up too much. Find a hobby that makes you happy. I think that helps. I struggle to stay content or happy so I don't try dating anymore. When I'm depressed I attract toxic partners and it always goes badly.
One of the best statements I've heard about how overly obsessed body standards became with being muscular came from an observation about the Mr. Universe bodybuilding competition, considering it's basically the most extreme example: In the 80s, Mr. Universe competitors looked like superheroes. Now they look like the monsters superheroes fight.
Had body dysmorphia growing up, broke my knee, gained weight, got married while being heavier. Ended up changing my fitness goals from aesthetics to strength focused. Feel much better now.
12:26 It's a combination of abusing growth hormone and insulin. Dorian Yates (a former Mr Olympia winner) had an observation on how he'd use growth hormone sparingly until his 1-2 years of competing when he also added insulin which was relatively new at the time, and *_that's_* when he started developing the GH gut that a tonne of elite bodybuilder have today. So it's a combo of using way too much GH and adding insulin to the mix.
As a male body builder I can say this is true for most people. When men get all this shit for looking a certain way it gets to us. So we do this because we think we would be admired more, but in reality that’s just not true.
I can just imagine that Fairly Oddparents James Bond episode, where Jorgan gets so absurdly buff he can't reach behind him to get a cat off his back. It all makes sense now.
Yeah dudes who are jacked have significantly more options than dudes who aren't. Dont listen to fish listen to fishermen when it comes to how to catch fish
I am glad I had my coach who put it in perspective. There are no shortcuts and you will always find someone better. Be the best you can be and don't worry about other competitors
It's so miserable that as a man you just beat yourself to death for years doing self improvement, but no matter how hard you try, you are just as invisible to everyone and the girls as when you started and still after all you sacrifice, no one loves you.
Sounds familiar. Everyone always told me, “Just work on yourself! Then you will be with an even better girl!” It doesn’t work like that. Because women don’t work on themselves and the healthy ones get married young. A healthy, committed relationship that lasts a lifetime is a pipe dream no matter how much you improve as a man. Your choices are go from one toxic disaster to another or be alone.
Very few of them are fine with just existing, gotta have ambition. I got none and feeding someone else's need for emotional stimulation seems stressful. Im fine with being alone but I do miss the intimacy.
What's funny is that most women find an average man who is secure and confident a lot more attractive than some insecure gym bro. A good bod might help for random hookups, but your personality and how you carry yourself matters far more in attracting someone who's interested in an actual relationship.
Women: "Barbie is misogynistic and will establish unrealistic ideals for young women" Men: "Unless you've got the physique of Captain America then you're barely a 6/10" (Bonus points for every misandrist feminist mocking men for discussing unrealistic body ideals)
Here's what I never understood: who are the men's underwear ads supposed to appeal to??? I've never seen on of them and thought "Ooohh men in underwear! I need to buy some overpriced and uncomfortable tighty whities right now!!!"
doctors prescribing steroid use by children literally the same issue as doctors prescribing hormone blockers to children, and both should be held criminally responsible
For a while the US military had a bmi thing going on where people had to weigh in between a specific weight for their height. They’d kick the fat and lazy people out. The problem that led to them stopping the program is that they were also kicking out really muscular people too.
Did they not use a standard of like physical tests? Like putting them through a course or a series of tests that show improvement? They just said "you are too heavy get out"?
@@TheFatalcrest well yeah there’s PT tests but to be honest, pt tests in the military (depending on the branch) only focuses on specific muscle groups, so if you only train for those exercises you could pass the pt test but still get fat.
This is incorrect. They still have height weight standards. The Marines do ignore height/weight if you score high enough on pft and cft (but they still take height/weight)
Women like a guy with abs but what they don't realize is abs are less about ab muscle size and more about low body fat. For most men to have visible abs they need an unhealthy amount of fat. That is they need to be skirting the low end of what is healthy and unhealthy.
We live in a very very sick society where social media and advertisment has warped the perception of men and women to such a degree it boarders on the obscene.
The "smash your own face" is a insurance thing. In my case, the right side of my jaw was smashed in a martial arts tournament. The result being that two teeth are crooked sideways. I basically bite on their side instead their top. To fix that, the would need to fix my faw bone first, and it would need to get a bit bigger. I would gain the gigachad jawline from that, basically. It's calculated like 80% of work/costs is not on teeth, and because of that no insurance coverance as it qualifies under "beauty operation". Same logic applies, they want a new face covered by their insurance, do they need an accident to happen to it. And it needs to be "bad enough".
@@boredboi6279 Yes, they are. Vtubers use an avatar specifically becasue it's easier to have an attractive avatar. A guesstimate of 90% of them have big tits and a deep cleavage. Even those that are not constantly "unintentionally" lewd or refering to their looks.
To add on to this subject, I have been going to the gym for almost a year and a half and I've lost roughly 20-30 pounds. Diet plays a major role in my weight management but for 3 months straight of reducing my calorie intake and after I just updated my workout routine last month to do 50-60 minutes of cardio exercise, I barely lost another 9lbs. This is also keeping in mind the muscle I've gained during my workout but 3 whole months of not making any progress due to important events and overcoming the holiday festivities and illness, I'm still losing weight at a very slow but steady pace.
Old way is the way to go, discipline, and regular workouts with heavier n heavier loads, running kilometers while wearing roman armor (or similar) easy way is the way of the cowards, old way is the way of the legends
Weight training. Tossing a kid down a king sized bed. Odds are good any kid you know that trusts you enough to have fun with that you’ve wanted to throw even when you don’t have a body of water .
Then everyone wonders why they hate Billie Eilish when she said "Men never get criticized for their bodies."?
She also said things along the lines of you should body shame men
People hate her because she was clearly lying
@@theokay1she also has a history of body shaming men, she is literally a Femcel icon.
She also said women don’t insult men because women are too nice.
There are a lot of reasons to dislike Billie Eilish
The worst is when you have people dogging on Bronze era body builders that look like literal greek statues for not having freakish proportions.
The real og body builders were those Greek guys
I think the OGs were the best, you know, before the steroids.
Frank Zane will always be ideal (in my opinion) and Flex Wheeler is probably the last of their kind... now they'd be classed as "physique" (I think?), wearing board shorts at competitions.
@@Deac0n_Blues funnily enough, males had WAY more testosterone naturally back then,
You could say they could be built alot better aswell
@@chuckthetrooper Both Plato and Socrates were built like a brick house. Plato has even been stated to flex his muscles during debates to intimidate his opposition.
The biggest tragedy is nobody cares when it' a guy, we just have to live with it, "it is what it is."
"that's just how it goes"
I find that society secretly cares more about men, than women; but openly cares about women, more than men.
Yeah true. We men have gotten so numb to it, we can only offer a shrug when it's brought up.
Expendable.
Realistically you don't need much more than "it is what it is" and work on yourself to the best of your abilities. Accepting reality is an often much better pragmatic, fruitful approach than living up to false ideals. After a certain point it's entirely your choice to warp your world view by these roid heads.
Arnold Schwarzenegger did an interview where he said modern bodybuilding is grotesque and not the body types he would want to be
And he's one of the oldest bodybuilder's that is still alive. He'll likely live longer than all these 'modern' bodybuilder's as well cause most die off in their 20's or 30's.
I mean have you seen some of their physiques? They weren't just muscle bult on top of muscle, their bodies were literally deformed. I don't remember where I saw it but one dude literally just looked like he was pregnant and I just wanted to die inside seeing it. I hated that image so much I won't even try to look it up to confirm if I'm remembering it correctly. It was just plain gross. Arnold said it best in that interview, "The human body should beautiful." That wasn't beautiful.
@@leoncoben6983 I have. They're either deformed or taken to the extreme that the body can't handle.
@@leoncoben698311:52 This guy? Looks revolting tbh.
I agree with Arnold, his era of body builder was focused on the aesthetic beauty of what a body could naturally be with amazing genes and hard work, the goal was to look like a Greek god, not a muscle monster. I mean he was literally cast as HeMan! Now it’s all about who can be the biggest, nobody wants to look like that.
What infuriates me about all of this is that social media and feminists will refuse to acknowledge that men go through the same thing women do when it comes to body image.
We go through worse. We are just rasied and indoctrinated to not cry about it.
feminists regularly protest and shutdown means mental health programs... very simply showing what feminists really care about and what they dont, regardless of theyre words, theyre actions show the truth... they are a vile hateful cult.
cuz it doesn't fit their agenda
How tf can yall not tell the difference between feminists and misandrists damm.
Because that would ruin their narrative.
I remember women constantly saying how the Barbie doll physique was an impossible standard and men had no idea what harm it was doing. Then when they were shown He-Man figures they said either "it's not the same" or "that's what guys should look like".
I remember when SJWs attacked Metal Gear Solid (yes it was 10 years ago) for "unrealistic female bodies" and MGS fangirls came out and trashed feminists saying that they were fine with busty muscular women being 90% of the female characters and the reasoning behind this was "we can't complain when almost all male characters are hyper muscular himbos wrestling eachother"
@@Lampoluke I remember a comic about one of the Dead or Alive games. A woman is playing this game and a genie pops up to grant a wish. She wishes for the character models to be realistic. The result? a couple of the more egregiously large breasted women get a Little smaller, their clothes get more practical and... that's it. The MEN on the other hand, change a Lot from the unrealistic fanservice nonsense models used to what people who actually train to fight like that actually look like: Either they have a LOT more fat on them or they're a a lot shorter with much smaller muscles.
Because it turns out that the Base Line from which the vast majority of commonly accepted beauty standards derive* is Features Indicating Good Health (or, more accurately, features Understood, sometimes wrongly, to indicate good health).
More so in terms of what men find attractive in women, as there's the whole 'actually likely to survive childbirth absent modern medicine' aspect that isn't relevant in the other direction, but it applies both ways.
*a lot of other factors stack on top of this mind you, but if you're going for generic mass appeal this is relevant.
They’re both possible lmao what is Jason Mamoa’s physique fake?
@@laurencefraserThose body types are perfectly realistic of both genders/sexes.
@@Taz-ey4jlYes, it is, because it's unsustainable, to get the hard muscles with no fat you neet to litteraly dehydrate your body to a dangerous level
As a guy the general rule is leave your feelings at home because no one cares about them I'll always remember something my late grandfather used to say all the time when things got hard and after his mom died "Men don't cry" and as a general rule that's what people expect.
As a guy myself i was told it was ok to show my feelings and the very people who told me this when i did, would ignore me or tell me to get over it or tough it out. I was confused for years on what to do until i just naturally gave up and kept it all in, like people will say it ok but never wanna deal with the situation when it happens. Its no wonder younger generations of guys are so lost and confused
I've been told that men do cry, but just not like women.
Women can cry when they're happy, sad, frustrated, angry, etc...
Men only cry when they suffer.
Well that's not totally true, we do cry at those things, but we do so in private. If we cry publicly or around other people though... Yeah then we're going through some shit @@YourLocalCopiumDealer
Indeed, but I've just started telling people to fuk off.
I don't have to follow their rules, especially when it means putting all this effort and restraint in for people who don't care about you.
I'll always remember when my grandpa died. I was suicidal at the time, but I was holding it all in. I made an off the cuff comment to my dad saying "my throat kinda hurts" and he looked me in the eyes and just said, "It's ok." The dam fucking *Broke*. I've never felt so low in my life and made a commitment to be more honest with myself. It revolutionized how I approach things.
Every high school boy knows: you don't mess with the farm kid. Real strong and gym strong aren't the same thing
There's also a big difference between being fat and being bulky/stocky. Sure you can be both, but being one doesn't necessarily mean the other.
Im a 6'1 280lb big boy, and I've got buddies that'll make jokes (idc its all in good fun), so I'll tell em "alright, go ahead and hit me in the stomach and lets see how soft I am". Most of the time, their hand ends up getting hurt worse than me. I ain't gonna deny I could definitely drop some weight, but even if i get "skinny" compared to what I am now, Im still gonna be a big mf🤣.
Look at the world's strongmen. The guys who flip thousand-pound tires look, as some people may point out, "doughy". That doesn't change the fact that they can toss you.
@@darcidious99there’s nothing wrong with being overweight it’s bad when you choose to double down and add more weight instead of of lose it and not even try to be healthy
I respect farm kids,
Those fellas have the real strength I aspire to have. Strength built for doing shit instead of just ego flexing.
@@jackratscratpack9323 And that's my problem with the whole "body acceptance" SJW bullcrap, its not healthy, those giant lardballs will probably die of a stroke at the age of 30, if even that, because 300 pounds using a walker or a double-wide mobility scooter due to small muscles not meant for that mass while being only 5 foot 3 is most certainly not healthy. I was actually feeling a bit unhealthy at 190 pounds, so I moved my breakfast calories to the afternoon and early evening and with no other change in intake I lost 40 pounds, had more energy every morning, had better stamina, could breathe easier and my thoughts were clearer, also my damaged right knee and my right thumb joint that I slammed into a floor in elementary school at over 20 km/h stopped having clicking issues as frequently as before, and I have a slow metabolism from my mother's side of the family, she's kinda big as a result but is also slimming down, if slower than me due to age, since she started the same eating habit as me, my dad was 280 pounds and started this diet two years ago, he's now 190 pounds and much more spry even in his early-mid 60s.
There's an anecdote from way back in the day about jury members not finding certain people guilty because surely no person who looked that attractive could be so evil
Pretty Privilege is a real thing.
Don't forget that when women got the right to vote, the very first thing they did is vote for the best looking guy. I forgot the guy's name, but family guy did a joke on it. While it was a joke on Family Guy, it's 100% true.
Does anyone remember the Boston Bomber? I remember being shocked and disgusted cuz I'd see "fan" groups of women claiming one of them couldn't possibly be an evil terrorist because he was too good looking.
@@okairo Warren J. Harding. Ironically, he was a very prominent womanizer
@@okairoReminds me of the meme where a woman says she hates how unsafe it is to walk around then she dates a hot ex-convict and votes to have no cash bail 😂
I remember when I first heared of unrealistic body standards. The point was made that it really hurts women, and when it was pointed out that male characters are unrealistic as well, the response was always "the women are made sexy to appeal to men, and men are made as a power fantasy for men". It was such a bogus argument and time has proven how stupid it was.
no, that statement is 100% true and 2 things can be true at the same time, men were made as a power fantasy for men And also to be attractive too, but women were almost always relegated towards being just sexy and being strong, but only some of the times.
If we're really being honest here, you know well that male characters almost always take on the true power fantasy to its end, I have yet to see a show where a strong sexy woman is the one to beat say Darkseid if we're talking JL, or Apocalypse if we're talking X-Men, because any concession like this made always falls short.
Think about it if it was done oppositely, if you had guys being slowly shoved to the wayside so women can hog up almost all of the spotlights, people would cry foul on that, right? because female characters don't generally get to have a true power fantasy like that, anytime that they do is extremely rare and I know this too well, because I've grown up with these shows people obsess over now from the 80s, 90s and 2000s.
@68 I won't deny that male and female characters are treated differently and this was certainly more true in the past. I appriciate the effort in your response but I don't think you're seeing the point I'm making here.
If media shapes our expectations, and unrealistic expectations hurt the associated demographic, then why wouldn't unrealisitc power fantasies hurt men? Most guys aren't going to able to beat up Darkseid (or the real world equivalent). How is that not an unrealisitc standard?
You can't say "it's made by men for men so it's fine" because the adults making DC movies aren't the same teenage boys hurt by unrealistic standards. And even if they were, we should still care for people with self-inflicted wounds. If someone is engaging in self harming behaviour we don't blame them for it.
Beyond that, the framing omits key details for the sake of the narrative:
1. Being attractive gives you status. Status gives you influence. Influence is power. "Being attractive" is a power fantasy. Being "the person worth rescuing" is a position of power.
2. If you check out media created and disproportionatly consumed by women you'll see the same trends: Competent men and attractive women. The truth is that many women like this as well.
It's a bogus argument because it's based on a biased framing and completely irrelevant to the issue that was raised.
@@simongotborg3866 a bit late on this. what I mean by shaping our expectations isn't necessarily about what to expect in real life, it's about the expectations we have in the media we go to watch.
The thing is, I get what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing with anything you said, the way that I see it though is that male characters need a lot more variety and to rely less on the same covered characteristics many times over.
On the points you mentioned, the thing about power that you said there, it's true to an extent, as I explained this before that power fantasy you're describing is inherently limited, or, it's just purely a sexual fantasy.. No judgment there, male superheroes get that too, being attractive is being attractive after all and they can certainly be pined for, but at that point it feels kinda small in the grand scheme of things since you know, you can make the comparison of the "I Can do Anything you Can do Better!" musical number, except in this case, it's honestly kinda true.. ^^
I mean you could say that women have more advantage there as being more emotionally mature usually and I can give you that point, but I feel like we're settling for a sorta small consolation prize with this, right? because the power fantasy in this only goes so far, when compared to the power fantasy of taking down the big bad which goes all of the way.
Lastly, I think that sounds a lot like rationalization. For example, if we lived in the times where only the Emperor of Rome and his trustees could be portrayed in media and that media was still great, would you make the same argument that commoners don't want to see themselves, because they like seeing the Emperor and his peers on screen? the point there being that, if no other meaningful choice exists to counter the predominant one, there's not much of a comparison there.
That's kinda the point I'm getting at here, there's blindspots that I'm seeing many people avoiding in this broader discussion and this blindspots hurt creativity in a different way, by having it become oversaturated with the predominant things, something that saps away at people's excitement. Again, if we only had the Emperor and his posse being the predominant ones portrayed, that would get oversaturated quick, this problem is the same as that but on a bigger scale, where one sex feels overrepresented.
What I'm saying? We need more interesting, and don't get me wrong, all I said before I didn't say because I want sexy ladies that make me go Awooga to go away, I want those sexy ladies, as well as more interesting things and in this discussion, I don't think it's a case of needing to choose between only one or the other, I think we can have both. Often it's the first taste tells you that something is great and you need more of that and for me, some of those that I can recall right now were Megamind and Into the Spider Verse.
True. They definitely got dudes by making it the minimum standard that women want. That dating 80/20 split that modern society is facing are those expectations in play. All these drugs to get in that top 20 to have all(80%) of the women.
They are only unrealistic for people who embrace mediocrity.
"I did not realize it was this bad".
Welcome to the reality men face every day.
Society: "Teenage boys are taking steroids because of negative body image. This is so screwed up, why aren't they taking estrogen instead?"
Wait, we face that every day? I work and sleep. i don't see a lot of that shit.
Also, all the women i know were impressed by my physique. Meanwhile, i think i am at "dad bod" territory currently.
Idk what's going on in the US of A
@@torstwolf8742Lucky you.
As you can clearly see this "Vtuber DIDN'T KNOW" men can suffer, the fucking joke is clear as the sunshine SHE WANTS TO BE DIFFERENT other Vtubers didn't realize what is different .. but you guys should KNOW the difference!
@@torstwolf8742Perceptions have been altered - what was considered to be 'good' is no longer 'good enough'. If you don't have a presence on social media, or consume it - you're doing so much better than others out there that have grown up with phones and computers firmly in their hands since they were on this earth.
I don't blame her at all for not knowing any of this. How would she? This isn't common to talk about. It makes me happy she's watching stuff with an open mind.
Wait until she finds out about the FDA. 😢
"Men have everything handed to them, have every thing easy, and are the oppressors" is the normie take you must have to avoid the hate mob sometimes. So many on social media bending to that a few years back just like the smoking ads back in the day. Say anything about it and you get labeled nazi. Even 30 years ago bet kids were doing roids for the football team. The Program (1993) had roids and stuff college ball but was more known for the highway fear challenge. Kids tried and died. So that part was removed from the movie.
Gonna have another moral panic again soon to sell us something else. Just don't know what yet.
It should be common knowledge....all information should be available to everyone. Censorship of steroidal information is what's causing these deaths. They can't freely get accurate information so they're using information they got from their gym bro. Steroids have different effect for different people, they are genetically dependant drugs!!
When i was 10 i was fat boy and everyone bullied me because of that, then i stopped eating for half year and i went slim. But then I started to hear that im too skinny. So i went to gym. Now i hear i have small legs. Moral of the story - im too much concentrated on others opinions and thats why i never had gf i guess 😅😭
@@ShizuKanazawa being in gyms now seems to a like a club lot of poking fun. its always sonething. " missed leg day " joke, etc... and to be honest not a huge amount of people today are in long term relationships. and " situation-ship " ( whatever term makes some women feel good ) doesnt count. one shorter guy said hes glad he dodged this future culture by not having todays g/f.
Hugh Jackman also went through hell when he originally took the role of Wolverine years ago.
My understanding its why he was so determined to be done with the role.
I remember that. I used to work at a supplement warehouse where one of the freebie magazines we'd put in each box had his "fitness journey" as the cover story.
Steroids, strict diet, exercise, dehydration, all on top of acting in general. Definitely miserable
and then some people complained because Logan is actually a rather short guy. Well, complaining is a strong word, they were nitpicking. the irony
@@sparking023 They wanted accuracy even if it's midget in big costume instead dude dying for the role. He's like 5'3 if I remember right.
"Dad bod" should not be used as an insult. But of course women who never had father figures wouldn't be able to recognize a good figure for a father.
Don't forget that a lot of women actually find "dad bods" hot.
@Ads-C that not really true tho, I've seen plenty of interviews, and people (women) generally have no clue what a dad bod even is. Hint, it's not Jason mamoa...
No it should be used as an insult.
@@Ads-CNo, no they don’t
@@benzlover55He did have dad bod at some point him having muscle under it doesn’t change anything.
Reject plastic surgery, embrace Greek philosopher
Socrates is on battle cats, leess GOOOOOOOO
“Greeks r Based af”
~Nietzsche, probably
Stoicism once again leads the way!
@@JP-nt5vb Diogenes would probably say, "why the fuck are you wasting your time making your muscles bigger."
@@sweetrolldealer Before Plato starts benching him. Don't know how Diogenes is really related to stoicism, guy was pretty degenerate.
That fitness UA-camr who died as a result of his routine? Wikipedia doesn't even know he was a thing. He died for nothing, not even a footnote in collective memory.
My boyfriend used to struggle with such expectations when he, as slim guy, kept getting mocked for his body. Before I met him I had no idea men deal with that.
i still have a hard time believing all these women i flirted with that they find my body attractive when i perceive myself as a lean twig. i know it's fucked up but it's jhard seeing it throught your lense. Please go tell your boyfriend he's hot ahah
Listening was nice
Are you slim too also is he still slim?
If they got nothing they will make shit up. That's just how it goes. Same both ways. They'd say my chest a foot thick and make fun cuz I'm short. Usually something to find. So you either have to be like them and throw back or ignore it. Or you could embrace it. Like when they call the big guy tiny. Just about no escape unless ya find an entire group of polite people. Near impossible growing up.
So many people joke about male bodies being disgusting, unless they look like a male model, that men internalize it. I actually had to learn from my straight girlfriend that she liked looking at my average body, and that she didn't get aroused when looking at females bodies. Sounds stupid, but that's what decades of "male bodies disgusting unless they're models, female bodies always hot" does to someone's brain.
Arnold Schwarzenegger once stated he reduced his training regime because he got tired of not being able to bend his arms enough to scratch his own back.
The only thing he did wrong was not stretch each time he exercised.
Yeah, he was literally unable to do parts of the swordfighting while filming the Conan the Barbarian movie because he could not move his arms enough for it.
@@kiden3112 Yeah because he didn’t include stretching exercises in his exercise regimen.
@@Taz-ey4jlhe did stretch. You can't bend your arm pass the the physical muscles.
@@Taz-ey4jlyou seem very ignorant with a lot of your comments
I think we need to remember to hold women accountable for their part in this problem. Guys don't just see marketing and magazines and movies and feel bad. That part doesn't actually make them feel bad.
What makes men feel bad is being rejected by women for not looking like Efron with 0% body fat.
We don't care what any media is portraying. We don't feel inadequate because Thor's physique is being flaunted. We feel inadequate because Thor is what every woman wants, and anything else is "settling," which, even if we don't get rejected, we end up feeling temporary, and we believe that we will be discarded once Thor does show up.
12:50 Yeah, they were labling him as a "dad bod" but for the movies they have to water fast for 2-3 days so the skin shrinks around the muscles and fat basically disappears. They're pretty much dehydrated to the brink of death for their shirtless shots. The shot there is basically him with the same physique but hydrated.
"Dads don't have bods like that" Hey, I'm trying. That's a 2 player adventure, though. XD
They're probably on Ostarine or God knows what as well. Makes you feel AWFUL.
yeah, anyone who looks like that is generally on the brink of death. body building competitions? those guys are lucky they survive the walk back stage.
Reminds me of the meme photo:
On the one side, a picture of Barbie: "Barbie sets a negative stereotype for women"
On the right, an image, and the caption: "This is He-Man"
(Even the female dolls in the He-man toyline were ripped and waaaay more unachievable beauty wise than Barbie ever was)
It's downright hilarious how no one outside of the anglosphere is b¡tching about "unrealistic body standards". Like if you travel to Europe or Asia, where there aren't 5-10 fast food shacks in a single street back to back unlike the USA, ask people if beauty standards are a problem.
@baraka629 bro ask an east asian woman what her auntie says about her body its absolutely an issue even outside the west
ads.
notice how in ads all men are tall handsome and build (muscular), never fat old and half balding?
while women in adds can have any shape from morbidly obese to skinny as a skeleton?
Ya but the women calling themselves beautiful when they're on for targeted diversity are coping. They don't agree with each other either.
this reminds me that one of the women who essentialy worked for feminism - she is around 50-60 now? was talking about how lot of people completely lost that it was fight for same conditions and it went into other extreme, with men unable to get parental rights
"Realistic" doesn't have to mean "ugly". And that goes both ways.
@@ujiltromm7358 duh.
I only notice the strange women for modeling as I don't see many ads.
They are picked because they breaks the golden ratio most of the time have some strange oddity that stands out.
I workout, don't use any gear, and stay off social media. It's hit the point where lifting and cardio is fun, and something I look forward to doing. I'm sure my regime isn't perfect, but it's healthy, and it yields healthy results physically and mentally. Remember, comparison is the thief of joy.
Hell yeah.
I like that, nicer than envy is a bitch lol
I eat chips and play videogames. Comparison is the thief of joy
got to. dont even think about looking at any graphs on steroids, just keep climbing past yourself
if comparison is the thief of joy then you can call me the gold standard.
The idealized male physique is more unrealistic than the idealized female.
There are two reasons that it isn't seen as a big issue imo
First, the "men bad women are oppressed" mindset
Second, most men see batman and think "I need to go to the gym to be like batman" (even if they never go to the gym.) Whereas many women seem to just get upset when they see a skinny female character or whatever.
So you saying that woman "over-react" when it come body image. Now i might have been reading it wtong, but is that not a contradiction to " the men bad, woman oppressed" thing you said before?
@@woaddragon no, not overreact. They just react differently. And I didn't even say "most women" just enough to make a scene.
@@testaklese perhaps I should be more tactful and ask specifically what you meant.
Because you might be going for " some women react different to a particular body image than men would, " than MANY women seem to get upset with a skinny female character"
Now I I know I sound harsh, and I should apologized but after reading a dozen comments, b basically misrepresenting " men bad, woman oppressed crowd" it kinda irritating.
@@woaddragon I'm describing the "men bad" crowd as a separate issue. My second point is not even saying that there's anything bad, just that many women react differently than most men
@@testaklese while I understand what you meant, the issue I have with the last sentence of original statement is it implications. I understand when men and woman reactions to the " unrealistic idealized form" they are different, but for a person who seem ready to argue of how. A idealized male physique is more unrealistic than a female one, you seem downplay what some woman issue with body image with " getting upset skinny woman."
Yeah I understand that " or whatever" could mean " that is more complicated" but still, wish it was clearly stated.
I feel videos like these should actually be mandatory in health class in schools at this point. Both the unrealistic standards for males and females, and the atrocities people do to their bodies to try and achieve these.
Put it under foot binding too and other odd things around the world.
Then when you think Olympics and gymnast the little girls that never grow cuz they doing that at such a young age.
The dudes on the rings got some bad ass looking shoulder tho. Sacrifice for a sport might not be the same as pure looks but should be adjacent to know what sacrifices are made. Just like signing your death wavier for combat sports or football.
When i was 18, I was almost 300 pounds.
I spent most of my late teens and early 20s starving myself and working out 6 days a week. I had so little energy to do anything else, it took an intervention by my family and friends and finally going to my doctor to break me from it.
As of last christmas, i had gained almost all the weight back. And now I've set up a reasonable goal to lose weight, I'm looking to lose about a pound a week. (By moderate exercise and eating within a calorie threshold.)
Stay strong everyone. I believe in all of you
Cut out seed oils and sugar while you’re at it. Everyone is different when it comes to the diet that works best for them, but these two things are universal.
I lost 40 pounds in less than a year by moving my breakfast calories to the afternoon and early evening. I eat at 1 PM and stop eating anything by 8 or 9 PM depending on how I'm feeling that day, some days I extend my fast to 2 PM and on days where I had very bad sleep I eat at half past 12 PM or so instead. I didn't stop eating healthy meals, nor did I cut out my chips, potato sticks, ice cream and chocolates. Breakfast is one of the worst things you can do to your body, since without the extended fasting period in the morning, you load down your body that early with digesting more stuff and your liver doesn't have enough time to clear out its fatty acids and whatnot, so move breakfast to the afternoon, or merge it with lunch, and you should see a lot of returns. You'll notice at first that you feel a bit more tired in the mornings since your body is still expecting and preparing for food, getting things ready to eat without stopping the fast yet, but as the first few days pass your body basically sighs in relief and starts focusing your energy towards your liver, brain and muscles instead of your stomach and intestines, making you more energetic in the mornings and allowing your body to do extended maintenance on itself even after waking up from sleep. If you notice some aches in your sternum, you should probably first have at least a semblance of a breakfast, but keep gradually and gently pushing it back until you find yourself no longer eating before lunch at all and finding that your body is no longer aching for food, as its gotten used to a healthier intake pattern. Our ancestors would wake up at 5 AM and work until like 1 or 2 PM, have a big lunch and then do lower-intensity tasks in the afternoon, then have a big hearty dinner with lots of protein from beans and meat and anything else, then socialize with family and community as they digest it all and relax and have fun, tell stories to the kids and whatnot, then turn in for the night at like 9 PM, get 8 hours of sleep and wake with the rooster's call. Those folks, despite losing perhaps half of their children at birth due to poor healthcare, lived into the late 80s and early 90s without much issue, now we can only manage our early 80s at best for women and mid-70s for men. Breakfast is one among several likely causes.
Dieting can be weird, because a lot of it is about finding out what works. I recommend doing stuff to boost your metabolic rate, when your metabolism is working right you can eat a lot and still lose weight
If you are 300 pounds at 18 your parents should be thrown in prison for child neglect and child abuse, cause they clearly failed you.
When I was 33 I decided "enough weight is enough". I'd hit 363 pounds.
Dropped down to 270 or so within about a year. Good times, I was basically a wardrobe with REALLY thick legs, tougher and stronger than I'd ever been.
Sadly, things happened, picked up some more weight (about 20lbs). Pushing to get them off me.
I'm not even aiming to be below 200lbs. Frankly, being below 200 would feel REALLY bad for me because I LIKE the amount of muscle I've put on and I don't want to lose it. So, instead of piling on fat tissue, I've decided on turning my fat to muscle. No medications, no whey proteins and the like. Just good ol' protein-focused diet and hitting the gym 5 days/week. So far, it's been going great. I'm not where I was in endurance, but I'm higher in strength, muscle control and overall mobility.
Soon I'll be able to buy the shirts and pants I want, instead of going to the XXXL shops, and whoo is that an ego boost :D
I am constantly ridiculed for my leaner, track-and-field build whenever I try to talk to women. Most of the time it’s the first thing they mention and subsequently say, “ew, bye”. Doesn’t matter that I dress well, I smell good, I speak eloquently, and I try to carry myself with a positive attitude. Apparently if I don’t look like I could arm-wrestle the sun, I’m inadequate.
All I can say is that you're fishing in the wrong pond, then. Unless you're a male model, superficial people like you're describing will always find something wrong with you. Try to meet more grounded, "normal" women. You might have to out of your way to find them, but it will be worth it and they tend to be more mentally stable anyway.
Hottie or Normie, all women want Chad, Tyrone, Ernestp, Shang, and Hanzo @@christianalanwilson434#AWALT
You’re fishing in the wrong pond. I got the 2nd most attention from girls I have ever gotten when I was 16-19 and had a skinny track and field body. I was a mid distance runner (400, 800, 1600) and weighed like 130 lbs at 5’10”
I have been a legit exercise addict for 20 years that has struggled (even still) with body dysmorphia. Hearing about 14 year olds on tren, and seeing all the misinformation on social media, it makes me genuinely worried about the future of young men.
The tragedy about all of this is this: men are getting exploited and getting body dysmorphia about some things they just can't change. When we see unrealistic expectations in women it's seen as horrible or even wrong (depending on which circles), see one of the recent Spiderman games where MJ was made to be... not even normal but hyper unattractive. Meanwhile when this same thing happens to men we're expected to be that. If it's in the reverse we're seen as sexist or "fatphobic." It's an unwinnable double standard. Something that won't change until we see just how BS everything in advertising is.
Live well, fellow kings. You don't have to be perfect.
Trying to please a woman's insane expectations of what a man is leads ya into their ideals of form over function.
If it's all for show, at that point get makeup and learn to shadow so they look better or learn photoshop.
I’ve stopped working out for appearance to attract women because it never seems good enough and now I work out for health reasons.
Generally that's the way it works. I started working out over 20 years ago for woman. After a few years and realizing I didn't get more women for being fit, I needed to change my mindset.
Based! Do it for you, man.
Based
Seeing what Arnold said broke me. He's like the man of all men, and even he beats himself up too.
I'm just glad people are beginning to talk about this kinda thing with men, like we have with women for years.
Both are needed.
They are beginning to talk like that because effeminate thought patterns are contaminating guys' minds. You need to be really self centered and self obsessed to come to the conclusion that if you fail to live up to society's expectations, that you need to socially engineer expectations away to feel better about yourself. It's all feminine avoiding of an ego injury by outsourcing accountability type thinking.
Some more than others, my single mom will complain endlessly about plastic surgery in women but still laughs in my face everytime cirumcision is hinted at. Then you call me a monster for suggesting womens body image isnt a problem because its a choice they get to make.
I failed Women's Studies in college because of stuff like this. The Dad Bod is a good example. They showed women and the standards they have to live to, while men walk around with Dad Bods and its no big deal - she then shows pictures of Leo Dicaprio and Russel Crowe with their bellies, and the class (mostly women) laughed.
And then wonder why men will bite a bullet.
As in literally bite a bullet? Also what job do you need women's studies for?
@@boredboi6279 yes, literally. Although with more factors than just this one, obviously/hopefully. They go unnoticed and unresolved, or noticed and ridiculed, and pile up all throughout life. It is one of 200 pins and needles.
It was mandatory towards a degree in Criminology. No doubt part of the whole "sensitivity learning".
@@Aughtel oh ok I've just never seen someone mean it literally also from what you said about sensitivity I doubt any of those girls were honest in whatever test you guys had to do
@@boredboi6279 probably never seen it because the embarrassment someone could feel over it. "Such a petty thing. Grow up, man up, shut up". "Women cry over their bodies, not men". Offs himself, he's "weak", "an incel that couldn't get laid", "oooh he had problems with self esteem? I haven't felt good about myself since 19XX. We all got problems, buddy." "Probably was emo and wrote poetry, cried and watched romcoms".
I can't comment about tests and such. I don't know how they did it what they answered. Only teacher+student interactions.
@@Aughtel fair enough ngl when I was little I used to think like those girls but now that I'm older I actually developed a sense of empathy
On the "the body doesn't stop growing until something like 20"...
The brain doesn't stop developing until around 25 (mid to late 20s according to a google search), but people still push for being able to drink alcohol (which affects the brain negatively) and lately marijuana as well (also affects the brain). It's amazing what people will do to satisfy their vices and/or insecurities.
around 25 when it talks about self removal....there's a lot more coming with that in the future sadly. One of the biggest deterrents for people like that is having family and friends that will miss them, but with friendships being rarer, and older family dying there will be a lot more.
No no no. Clearly we need to keep telling kids that they need to focus on getting jobs over trying to start a family.
@@SpecterVonBaren you don't start a family without money bro. hence why you need the job...
@@BrgArt only the poors start huge families without money bro
the rich need to pay taxes so get to work and never have kids
@@BrgArt Graduate high school and get married before having kids and you will most likely NOT BE POOR
Years ago, somebody pointed this out on tumblr. It was, unfortunately, around the same time tumblr experimented with letting g you change photos and gifs from previous reblogs when you rebloged. As a result, a post about the fact that impossible body standards didn’t just affect women turned into mocking men for thinking they had any hardships at all.
People think Arnold is natural, but unless you take steroids you will never get as big as him
Even if you take steroids 99.9% of people will never be as big as him.
"I like a dad bod, like Chris Pratt or something."
"Chris Pratt like... Parks and Rec?"
"No, Guardians of the Galaxy."
"..."
Parks and Rec Chris Pratt was so cuddly-looking. ☺️
No one has said this
@@hope-cat4894 He looked like someone you could build a live with.
@@Garl_Vinland Most absolute statement are wrong.
Alana is correct.
The insecurities of a person are insane.
I have seen how horrible cosmetic surgery is for both males and females and how sad it influences others where cosmetic surgery is for victims in horrifying incidents.
The one who instantly comes to mind for example is lil kim from the 90s to current times.
Now Nicki Minaj called her fanbase "Barbies" while almost looking like one just like Lil Kim.
what is interesting is how same trends cycle... in 80s musculature was on top, all action movies had jacked up people, then in 90s "normal guy" took over like Bruce Willis and Keanu and those types were mainstream... now we are back to 80s trends but pushing it even more to the extreme.
I remember watching a Ted talk about a movie director interviewing the men activist/awareness campaign happening a couple of years. She originally was going to expose the movement for the misogynist illusion of justice it was (kinda ironic considering modern day). As she questioned more and more member however, she realized there was genuine merit to the men in the statement of these members. Statements related to court cases, sexual harassment, and other legal issues. The director made the realization that she wasn’t questioning to learn, she was questioning to find the reason to hate. With these findings she would go on to make a film about the reality of the movement, and it would gain some traction. Not
because it was enlightening, not because it was well made, but they saw her as a traitor. It all on a ted talk, and I respect her for the steps she took. But I made the statement that it was too little too late.
So you can imagine my shock when my counselor said she was sorry for not recognizing my emotional destress sooner. I blocked the apology, but she said that it wasn’t okay. And she apologized again. It still a core memory for me, but I can’t help but be scared of it
Cassie Jaye?
@@hope-cat4894 I believe so?
@@Blackraptor1234
I would say I didn’t like going to counsel meetings. The breakdown was more a byproduct of the stress I was feeling. At the end of the day I was saying that it felt horrifying to have someone reflect an apology and apologize to me for once
5:52
And that is why, Alana. He looked normal and most people cannot have that.
In the UK we banned Beach Body Ready posters.
These were just slim young women. Not actually that difficult a physique to attain with a good diet and moderate, regular cardio.
But it was absolutely unacceptable in our gynocentric culture. They later put up beach body ready but with hogs instead of models.
Even worse for "male body standards" are things men cant even change without painful, invasive surgery like height. A man can be fit, ripped even, but if he's under 6' it's over then he'll still fall below the MBS.
That and balding. While minoxidil (for hair growth/regrowth) and finasteride/dutasteride (block the DHT responsible for hair loss) can bring it back, it’s a lot of effort and in some instances, a lifelong commitment. A hair transplant is another option but it absolutely destroys one’s self esteem
I don't need to be more attractive, even if I get more attracive, I still have no chance with women
always someone better indeed
Must be personality then, most attractive thing a person can have btw isn't looks but emotional health that brings others up.
@@suruxstrawde8322 That's a pretty rude assumption to make about a stranger with absolutely zero evidence to justify.
@@KonglomeratYT Constructive criticism will hurt anyways if you're already in pain, being pessimistic or toxic is what I was implying.
@@suruxstrawde8322 If you want to say something, say it clearly, rather than dance around the subject. Human communication is fucked as it is already, no need to complicate it even further with the other side needing to read between the lines.
I like this vtuber's sense of humor and general open mindedness. It's very real and genuine.
I remember back when I was muscular when I was in jiu-jitsu. I thought I was still fat, lost moral and completely stopped going. Now I'm just fat, but trying to get fit again at almost 30, it's so much harder than it was back when I was younger.
If you're young and can see a small belly, don't be discouraged. It's normal
When I was younger, I did bodybuilding for a hobby and got pretty low but hit a limit. I remember talking to some of the guys that did bodybuilding for a living and the "advice" they told me, really woke me up about the whole situation. I cut back on it after I found out about all the other stuff, but I decided to stop when I finally broke less than 5% body fat. Within the week I was sick, within a month I was depressed, and within half of a year I was in the hospital.
After I got out, I stopped taking supplements, and only worked out when I felt like it. Eventually I had to stop working out all together because the expense of food was too damn high. The peak was 6 full gallons of Milk, 12 dozen eggs, 4 heads of lettuce, over 7lbs of beef, and 13 rolls of bread a week. That was just standard. That's not counting all the shakes, fruits and veggies.
I try to tell the younger generation to work out as much as it takes to get you in shape. Run two miles without gassing out and the ability to lift your weight, and you are good. GOD made us all with different bodies and we should appreciate it. Stop watching Hollywood.
I learned this when I took my girlfriend to see the first Thor movie 😅
Packed theatre, dead quiet ... shirtless Thor walks on screen and every woman in the theatre (including the one I was with) had a involuntary sharp inhale 😑
That's gotta hurt rip bro
I found out what the world thought about men back in Highschool.
You aren't allowed to show any weakness or emotion. The moment you do, you go from the "funny, strong handsome guy" to everyone's punching bag at the snap of fingers. I'm not complaining. It filtered out the worthless people in my life.
What’s even crazier is that Marc Randolph (co-founder and first CEO of Netflix) is Edward Bernays’ grand nephew and is also Sigmund Freud’s great grand nephew. You could say it runs in the family.
"Maybe I don't hang out with the right people" Yeah, no. You do. Those are better expectations than some women here in America
Some of the things said made me wonder... did she really see the whole picture of the issue, or is it so tainted and obscured that it's impossible to see if fully for women...
@@thescouts4734 probably the latter. These days, toxic feminism and individualism is the cool thing for women. I am not even sure if the majority of them even think about how their behaviour impacts other people around them. Truly ashamed of the behaviour people of my own gender manifest.
It's understandable that in a society drowning in excess, the virtue that muscle definition signals (abstaining from fattening foods) is more impressive and more valuable than the virtue that big muscles signal (being consistently physically active).
I remember working out like crazy in my teenage years cause I was always told “it was the only way women would be attracted to me”, it worked to get me laid, but really nothing else, relationships were hollow, I failed high school, etc. I stopped trying to compare myself to the Hollywood bodies and actually started caring about myself legitimately and I’ve been the better for it
DUDE I started going to the gym when I was like 17, because I also had some pretty big issues with feeling too skinny.
I clearly remember, one year after starting (still feeling insecure AF) and working in the front yard of my parents house when the neighbours kid (~2 years younger than me) came out w/o a shirt on (probably to show off).
This guy was SHREDDED, like 100% on juice like he wasnt even trying to hide it and it was so bad that it shocked me into looking at myself in a kinder way...
That image just stuck with me, 15/16 year old lil dude with a pump like he was wearing one of those silicone muscle suits...
bubble gut is due to their organs growing as an adaptation response to the sheer amount of food their bodies need to process in short periods of time to maintain muscle mass (paraphrasing DR Mike from RP Periodization)
No it ain’t there’s plenty of people that exercise and eat a lot and don’t have bubble guts my brother has a completely natural flat stomach and is skinny muscular and I’m fat and we eat a even amount of food heck he might actually eat more than me.
That’s a cope from him. It’s from using insulin as a performance enhancing drug. It can be done without creating that look, but that is a thin line to walk.
@@Taz-ey4jl well that can be explained pretty simply by you and your brother having different BMRs (basal metabolic rate) if you do consume the exact same food (drinks and snacks included) in the same quantities.
I encourage you to educate yourself on this because it isn't magic, its science. if you consume more energy than what your body can use, it will be stored as fat. and fat is not what is giving them these 'bubble guts', it is the size of their organs that have grown.
Also I dont think you realise the volume of food these bodybuilders with bubble gut consume (alongside other 'supplements'). Go look at what a strongman diet consists of and maybe you will understand.
@@Bryan_ZA Its like a whole carton of a dozen large eggs every morning, right? Just 12 eggs into a blender, 80 grams of protein from the egg whites and the other minerals in the egg yokes? That's an insane amount. And don't they even drink one of those more than once a day? Eating before noon is not healthy, breakfast isn't healthy at all, but that kind of diet is just to keep up with the obscene workout demands they place on themselves.
Wrong.
Prolonged use of GH (growth hormone) causes bubble gut
Body builders vs Strong men, one uses a lot of oil and works out for their looks... the other trains to pull entire jetliners, lift cars and carry boulders heavier than themselves
Yeah but both take Roids
@@MagiaBased Very possible^^
Biologically, the strongest dudes are like that genetically and do nothing to maintain it. They're specifically called mesomorphs, and their metabolisms just funnel protein into muscles and has low catabolism.
But cause of all this they typically see themselves as obese cause that slower metabolism means they're almost always a bit chubby. But around 50% of that weight is usually muscle.
@@suruxstrawde8322 not to mention the fact that muscle tissue will always have more mass than fat tissue. so that's why you can't trust the numbers on the scale either
@@suruxstrawde8322 Thanks for the insight, it's quite fascinating to see some of the science behind it.
Mental health really isn’t talked about enough, for both men and women.
I remember trying to get help from a therapist a few years back before the lockdowns due to a past experience in my life, we met once…she said she would call me back for a follow-up….she didn’t. Never heard from her again, even after calling the place back myself here and there for 2 months straight, I finally accepted that in the end…you can only help yourself.
The truth is that men are really just as emotional as women. It's all just culture. We're trained form childhood not to be open about our emotions, which coupled with testostorone leads to supressed emotions, leading to us being misserable, lonely, isolated and angry
Being 5'7 has been my biggest struggle for my entire life and it eats away at me and forever will.
The worst part is people dismiss it so easily and just call you insecure or whatever. I am confident in myself and my abilities, but that does not hide or change the fact that people view me differently for being shorter than average. A feature I definitely had no choice in.
@@rorsie 100% My experience as well. My other struggles in academics, weight loss, and discipline all can be changed through persistence and hard work. But my height? What am I supposed to do find new parents?
@@NexGenRogueEvery man and woman becomes a subtle eugenicist the moment they encounter a short man. It's eugenics and that's bad. And yeah... short men DO get discriminated against, more ways than one. The treatment is WORLDS apart from average and above height. Sometimes it is so subtle you don't even notice it at first. I did... and it's why I stopped going to one restaurant chain specifically.
Worst part is how tall muscular men will try to gaslight you into thinking that going to the gym and being short but muscular is still gonna be an improvement... that's a lie. They are just giving you false hope. No matter how buff and healthy you will be, your short stature will be the biggest detriment. Always. There is nothing you can do.... except become a millionaire... but that's not gonna happen either.
bro im 5"4 man, like there'll always be people worse off. I know its not the best way of helping but quite frankly id give a ton to be your height just like how you would probably give a ton to be 5"10
@@rorsie I think people dismiss it because it's self-evident that you're always judged on things outside of your control, and most of us prefer not to dwell on it. if you're ugly, short, act weird ( not neurotypical), have some kind of disease, low IQ, etc etc... all are innate and people judge you for them nonetheless. most of your life is deciced before you exit the womb by the dice roll of genetic recombination
The sad thing is, as we're growing, society tells to cut out parts of our character, our soul, if you will. For men, that usually has to do with emotions and the like. But, that's not something that can be done, at best, you can hide it and project it onto another person.
The problem we have in society is that women's souls are allowed to be fully in the open, but men are still expected to hide a significant portion of theirs. They can't project onto anyone else. Marketers know this and are intentionally exploiting it, destroying male mental and physical health for a quick buck.
And god forbid someone tries to start the conversation, then a cavalcade of idiots emerges from the woodwork, claiming everything from misogyny to not being manly enough to try to shut them up.
Feminists complain about female body expectations but aren't ready for this conversation.
When Jason Mamoa gets called "dad bod," its no wonder how skewed women's expectations have gotten
I have heard a story of a criminal who was using very often and when he was in prison was begging and almost crying for weeks because he had withdrawal and had no access. Short term solutions don't work for long term problems. Good video.
Literally no sports men have a physique even near to body builders, like climbers are so skinny but somehow they can lift their entire body with one arm, heavy lifters are considered fat but they can lift stuff heavier than them.
Some body builders have problems moving from the muscles, they pratically actually get weaker than stronger.
There are few videos showing rock climbers lifting more than bodybuilders. There is a difference between training muscles and doing techniques to increase the physical size of a muscle.
There is a memory that’s forever stuck in my head:
It was a local Ninja Warrior tryout, the contestant was this REALLY BUFF dude that the announcers were hyping up and the crowds were cheering really loudly for.
He ended up failing when he couldn’t straighten his arms to reach the ledge because of those big muscles.
I was only 8 years old at the time so I think much of it but as I got older and learnt about this trend, I recall that memory and realise “Wow this is bullshit.”
I totally get people who undergo operations to get few inches of height. Like everywhere you go you see messaging (mostly from women) that no one really wants men under 6ft. Like what you should do if you are under 6ft? Respawn?
I guess you haven’t seen the comments where women tell men to go to the gym if they aren’t 6 foot tall
The message comes from mostly men from my experience. Started with the women I'm sure, but it's fellow guys who have harassed me and told me I'm worthless (to women?). At least the women hold their opinions to themselves regardless of their thoughts on it.
Historically 80% of women reproduced, and only 40% of men did.
@@wastrelperv I mean, I rather want people to say sh*t about me to my face than them say sh*t about me behind my back.
So I can block off those people who being toxic af.
@@Vibe_Master_007 You assume people talk about me behind my back. Perhaps some do, but I'm hardly worth conversation. It'd be a little delusional for me to think myself that noteworthy. I'm a peer, a classmate, a co-worker. People would have to be very pathetic and bored to talk about me of all things.
Greg Doucette (The loud yelly man) is actually really wholesome and gives good advice. He is a bodybuilder but is against drugs. He also differentiates what you do for the short term for a competition and what you do normally. His food advice in particular is quite good.
It wasn't anywhere as common, but even in the 80s, some boys were using steroids.
In the communist block we did it A LOT at my sports school it was the norm, for both sexes , but we were getting shot three times a day.
@@piotrjeske4599That sounds absurd. Which country are you from?
@@albertzinger7132 Doesn't sound absurd at all. Communist countries get/got druggies into the Olympics as a regular. Of course it would start in dedicated schooling.
i will never forget that clip going around in bodybuilder ytubers - where some girls saw two pictures of the same guy, they didnt know it is the same guy, and it was world record holder in body building world - and they called him dad bod...
Build for Practicality and build for looks is true, at least in my experience. I worked Construction, with nobody having a 'ripped' body, those men had more like a strongman build. They would have beer guts and still pick you up and throw you to the second floor.
Funnily enough, there was a bet one day, where a Gym-bro of one of the coworkers, ripped as hell, came to the construction site and bet his friend, that he could keep up, cause his body was not only for show (he had a deadlift of somewhere around 300 pounds). He gave up 3 hours into shoveling dirt while his friend was barely breaking a sweat while shoveling twice as fast.
I, as a young adult man, face so much mental anguish, over MANY other things, I find it easier to pretend that nothing is happening than to face it all. Because if I do, it would completely break me.
The difference between body builders and strongman competitors is one picturesque muscles and other builds functional muscles. Same reason why you don't mess with the farm kid. May not look like much but he can sling you around like a baby calf.
I knew a guy he started working out extensively, even after his body was ripped and in prime shape he did not stop.
Like an addict, his entire persona was consumed by being a gym bro. He was an overall unhappy kid, but once he started this new "hobby" of his, he was content it seemed.
He basically got any woman he wanted in bars, life seemed good. Years later when he was already ripped, he was unhappy again.
He continued going to the gym, religiously in hopes it would "fix" him like it did before. 3 years later he unalived himself. Various mental health issues, depression being the largest.
Cellulite is sort of a problem in that it is a collagen disorder and is typically caused by hormone changes. Typically excess estrogen. So it's pretty common during pregnancy, taking hormone replacement therapy, taking birth control pills, or even menopause where aromatase enzymes are produced via skin and fat cells converting testosterone to estrogen.
Besides the look, it can also be an indicator that circulation is suffering, muscles atrophying, and expect poor sleep because natural melatonin production will probably be significantly reduced. The look is just a symptom of a greater problem. Problems that do have solutions or at least ways to reduce the impact over time.
I'd rather have an average physique than look like a fucking cartoon character.
That's pretty fair ngl though there was a time in my life where I thought how cool it'd be to look like Baki but now I know the amount of starvation and dehydration I'd need to go through for that I'm good
"Just follow the ancestral tenants and you too can get a girlfriend"
6 years ago I was significantly less fit than I am now and I was asked out by a coworker I thought was positively beautiful. We lasted about two years and it was good. But clearly my looks had nothing to do with it because I wouldn't have dated me based on that. Now I look way better but I'm a total loner because I work graveyard and speak to virtually nobody. Fitness is not the problem guys.
That's a statement that needs several addendums. Because fitness CAN help but it should always be something you engage in for your sake and most importantly, using temperance.
Fitness isn't the *only* problem
Your anecdote means nothing in the face of statistics
Its a shame but don't beat yourself up too much. Find a hobby that makes you happy. I think that helps. I struggle to stay content or happy so I don't try dating anymore. When I'm depressed I attract toxic partners and it always goes badly.
It’s almost like the issue is men’s personalities but we refuse to change that
One of the best statements I've heard about how overly obsessed body standards became with being muscular came from an observation about the Mr. Universe bodybuilding competition, considering it's basically the most extreme example: In the 80s, Mr. Universe competitors looked like superheroes. Now they look like the monsters superheroes fight.
Had body dysmorphia growing up, broke my knee, gained weight, got married while being heavier. Ended up changing my fitness goals from aesthetics to strength focused. Feel much better now.
12:26 It's a combination of abusing growth hormone and insulin. Dorian Yates (a former Mr Olympia winner) had an observation on how he'd use growth hormone sparingly until his 1-2 years of competing when he also added insulin which was relatively new at the time, and *_that's_* when he started developing the GH gut that a tonne of elite bodybuilder have today. So it's a combo of using way too much GH and adding insulin to the mix.
As a male body builder I can say this is true for most people. When men get all this shit for looking a certain way it gets to us. So we do this because we think we would be admired more, but in reality that’s just not true.
I can just imagine that Fairly Oddparents James Bond episode, where Jorgan gets so absurdly buff he can't reach behind him to get a cat off his back.
It all makes sense now.
You know, it's funny. Seems like every woman says "Eww, I don't like big muscley guys." But those jacked guys always have hot girlfriends.
Yeah dudes who are jacked have significantly more options than dudes who aren't. Dont listen to fish listen to fishermen when it comes to how to catch fish
Appreciate you for reacting to this Alana ❤
I am glad I had my coach who put it in perspective. There are no shortcuts and you will always find someone better. Be the best you can be and don't worry about other competitors
Insecurity sells, unfortunately. Everyone is a king in my eyes.
It's so miserable that as a man you just beat yourself to death for years doing self improvement, but no matter how hard you try, you are just as invisible to everyone and the girls as when you started and still after all you sacrifice, no one loves you.
Sounds familiar. Everyone always told me, “Just work on yourself! Then you will be with an even better girl!”
It doesn’t work like that. Because women don’t work on themselves and the healthy ones get married young. A healthy, committed relationship that lasts a lifetime is a pipe dream no matter how much you improve as a man. Your choices are go from one toxic disaster to another or be alone.
Very few of them are fine with just existing, gotta have ambition. I got none and feeding someone else's need for emotional stimulation seems stressful. Im fine with being alone but I do miss the intimacy.
What's funny is that most women find an average man who is secure and confident a lot more attractive than some insecure gym bro. A good bod might help for random hookups, but your personality and how you carry yourself matters far more in attracting someone who's interested in an actual relationship.
Women: "Barbie is misogynistic and will establish unrealistic ideals for young women"
Men: "Unless you've got the physique of Captain America then you're barely a 6/10"
(Bonus points for every misandrist feminist mocking men for discussing unrealistic body ideals)
Here's what I never understood: who are the men's underwear ads supposed to appeal to??? I've never seen on of them and thought "Ooohh men in underwear! I need to buy some overpriced and uncomfortable tighty whities right now!!!"
Me neither, is it supposed to make people think that they would be more attractive if they wore expensive underwear?
doctors prescribing steroid use by children literally the same issue as doctors prescribing hormone blockers to children, and both should be held criminally responsible
For a while the US military had a bmi thing going on where people had to weigh in between a specific weight for their height. They’d kick the fat and lazy people out. The problem that led to them stopping the program is that they were also kicking out really muscular people too.
Did they not use a standard of like physical tests? Like putting them through a course or a series of tests that show improvement?
They just said "you are too heavy get out"?
@@TheFatalcrest well yeah there’s PT tests but to be honest, pt tests in the military (depending on the branch) only focuses on specific muscle groups, so if you only train for those exercises you could pass the pt test but still get fat.
This is incorrect. They still have height weight standards. The Marines do ignore height/weight if you score high enough on pft and cft (but they still take height/weight)
Women like a guy with abs but what they don't realize is abs are less about ab muscle size and more about low body fat. For most men to have visible abs they need an unhealthy amount of fat. That is they need to be skirting the low end of what is healthy and unhealthy.
We live in a very very sick society where social media and advertisment has warped the perception of men and women to such a degree it boarders on the obscene.
The "smash your own face" is a insurance thing. In my case, the right side of my jaw was smashed in a martial arts tournament. The result being that two teeth are crooked sideways. I basically bite on their side instead their top.
To fix that, the would need to fix my faw bone first, and it would need to get a bit bigger. I would gain the gigachad jawline from that, basically. It's calculated like 80% of work/costs is not on teeth, and because of that no insurance coverance as it qualifies under "beauty operation".
Same logic applies, they want a new face covered by their insurance, do they need an accident to happen to it. And it needs to be "bad enough".
I really like, how in Naruto, both he and Sasuke are never buffed, but physically strong af
God.....i watched too many Alana's videos without ever going in her stream that i can't get her intro out of my head
what an irony, that a vtuber is shocked by the industry of the unrealistic body standards.
I mean...
Are you taking a dig at vtubing ooor
@@boredboi6279 Yes, they are. Vtubers use an avatar specifically becasue it's easier to have an attractive avatar. A guesstimate of 90% of them have big tits and a deep cleavage.
Even those that are not constantly "unintentionally" lewd or refering to their looks.
@@boredboi6279well yeah, they know they get more views as an anime cat than if they use their actual face.
@@GimbleOnDew not just that sone people just find it better to talk if they don't have dozens of people staring at them among other things
To add on to this subject, I have been going to the gym for almost a year and a half and I've lost roughly 20-30 pounds. Diet plays a major role in my weight management but for 3 months straight of reducing my calorie intake and after I just updated my workout routine last month to do 50-60 minutes of cardio exercise, I barely lost another 9lbs. This is also keeping in mind the muscle I've gained during my workout but 3 whole months of not making any progress due to important events and overcoming the holiday festivities and illness, I'm still losing weight at a very slow but steady pace.
Old way is the way to go, discipline, and regular workouts with heavier n heavier loads, running kilometers while wearing roman armor (or similar) easy way is the way of the cowards, old way is the way of the legends
Dads gotta have big arms to yeet children across the pools or lakes XD just a bit of levity and some fond memories.
Weight training. Tossing a kid down a king sized bed. Odds are good any kid you know that trusts you enough to have fun with that you’ve wanted to throw even when you don’t have a body of water .