20 years I've lived in Scotland and never once encountered a horny ghost in a candle. Not even a mildly frisky imp in a lighter. I demand to speak to the manager.
I am surprised Steve did not mention Risa. The brothel planet the entire crew of starships travel to as a group! Also Quark makes it clear that half of his customer use the holodeck for sexual fantasy.
Sure! Especially since he put the still of Picard and Vash in there holding the hor'ghan ;) pretty sure they went all the way too 🤷♀️ oh and the joke with Jamaharon!
I mean he had it on screen, then switched to Sub Rosa I think that was his way of saying, "the sex planet is low hanging fruit. You expect sex on sex planet (and get archaeology) you expect ghosts on Scottland planet (and get sex!)"
Honestly, Picard’s immediate response to Beverly’s describing of her grandma’s sexcapades is super funny. He makes this kinda high pitched sound that gives off a feeling that he’s very interested. It really helps that Patrick Stewart is an excellent actor, and super funny when he wants to be
@@SailorDeath or when he plays the director of the CIA in American dad who is constantly high on cocaine and having adult fun time with hookers or at one point possessing a baby so he can see some boobs. He comes across as a old Shakespearean upper class British guy but really he's more like the lower class, especially with humour.
"mmMMMmmmmhhh, it appeahs the Howahd wimmin have excepshun'ly vigorous libeedoes" Somehow that's both one of the worst things anybody has ever said in Star Trek, while also not even being the worst thing anybody said IN THAT EPISODE
Risa was literally the "Fuck Planet". You display a goddamn statue and someone comes along and rides your pony. Curzon Dax fucking died of ORGASMS ON RISA!
Beverly's MILF status was cemented earlier than Sub Rosa. In The Host, it was strongly implied that she was riding Odan on a very frequent basis, and, when the symbiont got transferred to Riker, she ended up riding him, too. I always found that funny. Despite the will-they-won't-they between Beverly and Picard present since the first episode, Riker STILL got to nail her first!
I have found that many trekkies omit from their memory the early tng episode where the crew gets drunk and it's strongly implied that Crusher and Picard bone down so hard that Picard gets intimidated by her voracious appetite and starts avoiding her so he doesn't become an empty, sweaty husk
@@chrisinnes2128 And that episode is not only gone over at the very beginning of the video, but that episode and the related episodes were the inspiration for the episode people were complaining about.
Boimler's Taint is one of the most legendary moments of Lower Deck. I know Steve has the sense of humor of a vulcan (winky emoji face), but that whole scene was an utter riot. The best part is the asexual Chief Engineer is in the background, buck naked and reading engineering reports on his Pad. One of the best background gags in the episode. People who whine about current Trek are genuinely miserable, I suspect.
I love the part of “The Perfect Mate” when Riker shows Kamala to her room then immediately touches his com badge and says, “If anyone needs me, I’ll be in the Holodeck.”
"Star Trek is too adult now!" Meanwhile back in the first season of TNG Tasha's frequently mentioning how she spent her childhood hiding from rape gangs.
I sometimes think Zephram Cochrane's self-deprecating deconstruction of his vision in First Contact is the writers having a go at the fandom, and their lauding of Gene Roddenberry's vision. "I didn't build this ship to usher in a new era for humanity. You think I wanna go to the stars? I don't even like to fly. I take trains. I built this ship so that I could retire to some tropical island filled with ...naked women. That's Zefram Cochrane. That's his vision." This is the writers, laying it out there. "This is Gene's vision. This is who Gene was. Is this want you want?" And you know what, yeah, that is what I want. I mean, don't overdo it. But yeah, a little bit of consenting adult hornyness never hurt nobody.
It isn't just a "don't meet your heroes" moment though, it's an acknowledgement that a visionary historical figure doesn't manifest anachronistically out of whole cloth as an avatar of the society that will follow. Cochrane is a flawed flesh and blood human shaped by the society around him, the legendary figure that he becomes is part fiction and part him rising to the occasion. Which is to say, yeah it's pretty fair to read it as a direct commentary on Gene. "Don't try to be a great man. Just be a man, and let history make its own judgements." is also the writers talking through him.
It was really weird to me how Zephram Cochrane got retconned multiple times. I have to say I wasn't as thrilled with the version they landed on, but it is what we got.
Deanna Troy, Tasha Yar, Seven of Nine and T'Pol in tight-fitting uniforms. Dabo girls and Orion slave girls. Riker and Kirk sleeping with everything that walks.
Just to further nail the point home: The original pilot has a bunch of aliens kidnapping the captain and trying to force him to be Adam. In fact, the yeoman character was mentioned as having “unusually strong female drives” and Susan Oliver appears as four takes on the same character: A pretty young woman, a damsel in distress, a loving wife and an Orion slave girl.
...Especially the bit where the Talosians truncate the illusion and Vina shouts "NO! Let me FINISH!" I mean...You just KNOW what she means by "finish."
I'm not sure why but that bit about Picard insisting that 5'10 is a respectable height for a man and anything more was impractical had me crying laughing.
Worth mentioning that in the Lower Decks episode in question, the crooked administrator of the holo-tests revealed they were rigged to be un-passably difficult (for everyone but Boimler, at least). So it's likely the version of the "Naked" virus that Mariner encountered in her test had its effects intentionally cranked up to 11 compared to what the two Enterprises previously encountered. Hence resulting in "everybody's naked and openly banging in the mess hall" instead of just "everyone's acting kinda raunchy." Point being there was an actual underlying narrative reason for the horniness factor being so overt in the Lower Decks scene.
I always assumed that the sex ghost story was a shameless rip off of the Witching Hour by Anne Rice where the protagonist (a doctor) returns to New Orleans after her estranged mother dies and immediately begins being haunted by a sex ghost that has been haunting the women of her family for generations. Now that I know it was based off a spec script, I am more convinced than ever that it started as an Anne Rice / Star Trek crossover fan fic.
As a lifelong fan who started off with the original series, I found this episode to be absolutely hilarious and I laughed my ass off. The callbacks were great.
Lets not forget that Quark is running a holographic brothel through the entirety of DS9 and VERY explicitly markets his services on many occasions. Or how Tasha Yar's backstory involves heavy references to, uhhhhh, 'gangbangers' (to put it in a way that's safe for a youtube comment section). Or how basically every appearance of the iconic Orions in TOS is just them being portrayed as strippers. Or how the literal pilot episode was about a bunch of lonely aliens trying to convince Pike to stay with them and be their favorite porn star. The list just keeps going.
Your videos honestly have helped me be significantly less of one of THOSE kinds of fans that obsess over canon and what a show 'should' be. People just invest a lot more of their identity into show then is healthy and when the show does not meet their expectations they feel personally attacked.
This goes all the way back to "The Cage." After trying to tempt Pike by making Vina look more and more alluring, the Talosians then abduct Colt and Number One and use them to try to convince the captain to stay ("Your yeoman has strong feminine drives, and your cold and aloof second in command? She totally wants to bang you!") Heck, look at William Theiss' costume design all through TOS. I hate to perpetuate the "Trekkies are virgins in their parents' basement" stereotype, but complaining about how horny Trek is now? Don't they even know what Risa is?
On the TOS costume design: Somewhere I read about the Theiss Titillation Factor, which is supposedly the idea that a costume is sexy directly in "proportion" the the perceived likelihood it will fall off/apart and reveal something embarrassing.
Risa? You mean the planet they established in ds9 has tokens you can carry around that show the locals your interested in nothing but fucking. That risa?
And then, of course, we have Carolyn Palamas' outfit in "Who Mourns for Adonais?" If memory serves, they had to use double-sided tape to keep it from falling off.
I feel like peoples' reactions to 'horny trek' is less about Star Trek being horny, and more the fact that it's more open about it that it was able to in previous series. It, much like its premise has evolved with the changing views of society. People are conflating its actual horniness with being more open to said horniness.
Steve, you consistently say exactly what I'm thinking. This episode is a case in point. Even when you don't, I'm entertained and often have something to think about.
"Whining miserable dickheads" is exactly what I imagine whenever someone's comparing nutrek to old trek and how "we've gotten so much worse!" or whatever. Thank you for being a more positive Trek nerd
Awww man, you didn't mention the fact that Tucker was literally impregnated on Enterprise. The whole sequence with them calling the Klingons after they realize what happened and the Klingon's response is golden.
I remember reading a "making of Star Trek" book in the mid-70s. They wrote about how they kept trying to get around the bans on cussing and "open-mouthed" kissing.
@@aaronsugar7228 Speaking of the underside of women’s breasts: “do they think moss grows under there?” Such rules resulted in some VERY creative costumes that covered exactly what was required, but also revealed some things that no one thought to ban … like the underside of breasts. ;)
Speaking of Yeoman Rand... Grace Lee Whitney was 35 years old when she first appeared in Star Trek. Nichelle Nichols was 33. Today, I don't think either woman, as stunning as they were, would even have been considered for their respective roles based on their age alone. Casting directors would just reflexively go for twenty-somethings.
Always thought that episode with the Scottish ghost was weird. Who the hell gets turned on reading about one of their grandparents going at it? Also, he refers to “Howard women”. Howard was Beverley’s maiden name, but it presumably won’t have been her mother’s maiden name or her grandmother’s maiden name.
Hmm, good point. Perhaps the Howard dynasty had similar breeding practices as many royal lineages over history... Also that "Super Scottish" guy is definitely an Ulsterman.
Honestly, I rarely stay for patron thanking on anyone's videos, but your system of "every username is a first and last name" is on point and I really love it!
Always been since I've been watching the OG series, movies, TNG, DS9 (Deep Throat Nine am I right). Isn't that like a big trope with Captain Kirk, that he's constantly macking on hot alien girl's?
Great sequel to Jesse Gender's video. I have a feeling people who complain about Star Trek being horny have never seen an episode of it. The Naked Time and the sequel Naked Now, the Kirk in general, Riker sometimes, Enterprise in general, Crusher and a GHOST, Laxwanna, Quark, bloody RISA. Roddenberry was possibly the horniest franchise creator period.
Imagine being one of the other people sitting in ten-forward, just trying to enjoy your breakfast, when you hear your doctor a couple tables over describing in way too much detail the sex dream she had about her dead grandma’s lover after reading her grandma’s sex diaries right before bed
aww steve, missed oppertunity there with, "eh, im gonna meet this boyfriend, i get he cant hold a candle to me" at about timestamp 12:40. seriously though kinda suprised the candle wasnt carved into a certain shape, considering all the boinking
I'm meh on new Trek, but you're absolutely right, Steve. Counting suggestive stuff and innuendo, it's almost shocking how much sex is in OST. Go watch THAT scene between Lt. McGivers and Kahn Noonien Singh for reference...
The only good faith explanation I can think of for thinking startrek is hornier now is people who originally watched the old series as kids. Some things went over their heads, because they were kids, and they remember it as a totally wholesome innocent show. Doubly so if they were watching it in syndicated reruns as kids, when everything would look a little quaint and old fashioned. We tend to think of the past as a more innocent time.
If I recall correctly, Boimler was 'eaten' by a space monster in the first episode of the first season of Lower Decks and spat out naked. Boimler gets naked a lot. I get the impression that in TNG, the network censors were busy. The planet where Wesley gets into trouble featured a people with no concern for clothes, and the wardrobe department designed VERY skimpy costumes
This topic immediately brings my mind to the scene from TNG's third season episode "The Price" where Troi talks to Crusher about the new guy the writers had Troi falling in love with that week, and for absolutely no reason whatsoever, they set this scene in some exercise room with Troi and Crusher wearing tight spandex outfits that are literally one-piece thong bikinis with leggings underneath and doing stretches in suggestive poses with their legs spread wide apart. Just a flagrant attempt at appealing to the horniest teenage boy segment of the fan base. The frequency with which the show had Troi quickly start falling for some new guy who's been on the ship for only a day and a half was pretty absurd since it was basically the only story they ever gave her in the Troi-centric episodes, and it almost made me wonder if they intended it as some inherent Betazoid trait where being empathic causes them to develop strong feelings for others much more quickly on average than other species, but in the end its clear the writers just didn't know what the hell to do with the character.
My headcanon is that is actually is roughly what you stated and it just happens to affect each Batazoid in ways that fit their personality. Troi got emotionally attached. Her mom got horny. So horny. Also how did this episode not have an entire section just on Trois mom?
While DS9 definitely set the standard for Ferengi ear sex (including Quarks self moxing when he became Nagus in Season 1's The Nagus, and Rom getting an ear infection from so much self moxing in Season 4's The Bar Association), it was the TNG Season 3 episode Ménage à Troi that introduced the Trek world to oo-mox, when Lwaxana inadvertently performed the favor for Daimon Tog and then tried to use it to gain access to the ship's computer before Dr. Farek (Ethan Phillips in his ST debut) interrupted. Dr. Beverly Crusher even gets in on the ear action in Season 6's Chain of Command. Looking forward to your review of Prince Colwyn.... ...err, Lt. Cmdr. Michael Eddington.
You think Klingons have taboo kink clubs where they just go and cuddle and make gentle, sweet love? That it's something their society frowns upon and doesn't talk about?
I think people forget that if TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT were given the free reign STD and other recent shows have, they would have been SO MUCH WORSE. Let's not forget the idea of Garak and Bashir.
But Garak and Bashir being in a romantic relationship isn't "so much worst" (i.e; sleazy); it's just simply recognizing that people whom are _not_ staunch heterosexual exist.
@@JanetStarChild Which would have been progressive perhaps more so than the Dax kiss at the time, less so now. And people would have flipped back in the 90's. I mean even now, two men is rarely shown in general. From my experience two women is far more common.
I feel like Ronin was meant to be named Ronan, an actual Irish name. But the writers never saw it written out and instead used the romanisation of the Japanese term for masterless samurai...
But isn’t Ronin here a masterless being until he can possess a woman of the same line? The TNG writers knew theirJapanese media - many of the Okudagrams were references to anime.
"I know what I'm talking about! I know what I'm talking about. I've watched it a bunch of times" Chap in hand, Kleenex on standby. I mean: you're absolutely right.
to summarize: The Naked Now literally has a scene where Geordi enters a room of frozen corpses. They are in various positions, on the ground, in a bed... Most of them butt-naked. Yeah, two guesses what those Naked Time substance affected crew people were up to. Mariner's Naked Time simulation is spot-on.
The weird thing is, the way I think about it, Beverly, as a doctor, should be all about the mantra "do no harm", but straight up murders a sentient being. Said being is a terrible alien ghost that's been eating out Bev's family for generations, but they should all have also led productive and full lives. Grandma got with someone, had Bev's mum, who eventually had her own husband and had Beverly... so, was Ronan really "evil" or just horny? Star Trek also has a habit of Starfleet officers straight up murdering aliens without so much as a second thought.
I...don't think I'd ever heard about the stereotype of Jewish guys swinging serious pipe before. Honestly, I would have liked that MUCH more than the S1 TNG version...
@@LinguarumFautor I'm presuming that's closely connected with fearmongering about danger to "white women". After all, have to come up with a reason why they would be tempted. Plus, there's the whole "like an animal" cliche ...
🤣🤣..... I definitely want to watch that episode from TNG right now. For research purposes obviously. What were you thinking? I think you forgot to mention that the episodes is titled "Sub rosa" and "roses were associated with secrecy because Cupid gave a rose to Harpocrates (the Hellenistic silence god) so that he would not reveal the secrets of Venus." - Meaning a rose is actually meant to be the antique equivalent of a tie on the doorknob. I love how Vash grabs the tip of that statuette...and Picard grinning. I mean, just go to certain sites on the internet and you technically find a lot of the same images. Just saying.
Happy Valentine's Day! Let's talk about Horny Scottish Candle Ghosts! I bet Scotty wishes he'd got to meet the horny scottish ghosts and not ghost Jack the Ripper.
Love your Trek, Actually videos. How about a video on Dr Bashir's and Garak flirtatious will they/won't they relationship and why the writers never actually went there!
19:10 - TNG established Ferengi's ears being an erogenous zone (and the act of oo-mox) in "Ménage à Troi." Maybe elsewhere, but this is the one I remember.
Was not expecting to be reminded of Lasher by Anne Rice when getting a summary of a Star Trek episode, but here we are. Also, insert gif of indignant Scotty here. Real Scotts don't have to threaten people with their cooking to get what they want. Usually.
Just thinking about the premise, there is a lot of that not mentioned, like Dax on Risa scenes (with her "friend" from a previous live, with Worf), Hoshi on Risa, and Troi related scenes. And of course enumerating every horny scene or plot would have made the video 5 hours long on Troi alone. So I would say: point well made, Steve.
"Did you all miss this?" Yes actually. I started watching TMP 20 years ago, and it's still not gotten past the opening credits. It's *kind of a long movie!* I hope I can finish it before the heat death of the universe.
the fact that in ds9, andy robinson took one look at alexander siddig and was like "....he's hot, i'm gonna go for it", and proceeded to play their first encounter Like That will never not make me laugh. my man was told to tone it down!!!because he was making garak Too Horny!!! what a legend lmao
Ahhh… Shannon Tweed. Such a specific name drop! I see I wasn’t the only person in the pre-internet 80’s and 90’s who spent hours in front of the tv late at night trying to will the Cinamax to unscramble long enough to get a glimpse of Shannon Tweed “au naturale”…. (Which probably explains why my brain is so scrambled these days!) I would have TOTALLY watched that “Skin-A-Max” Star Trek series untilI it made me go blind!!!
Also Sub Rosa proves that Star Trek has better Unions that we do, seeing as the whole ship gets time off to mourn when one crew member's grand parent dies.
19:10, that was actually established in TNG season 3. The one where Riker and Counselor and Ambassador Troi got kidnapped by that Ferengi that was really horny for Lwaxana. You know, the one where Picard has to recite a Shakespeare sonnet and gave us the 'why the fuck Picard' meme.
As someone who has been one of those "Star trek hasn't done anything good since fucking, 1880" fans I can't help but agree with you and make me reflect on my thoughts. I have no right to dictate what Star Trek is or isn't. DS9 has spoiled me
In the novelization of STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN, one of the scientists of the Project Genesis research team at the Regula One lab station was a Deltan who (it was implied) had been getting it on with Dr. Carol Marcus.
It was insane before I saw Star Trek how You assume that the holodeck wouldn't canonically be a sex thing but then you go and watch like next generation almost every holodeck episode involves implied masturbation, almost every holodeck reference. Like when riker blue balls himself in the name of duty and immediately says "I'm going to go to the holodeck." That destroyed me.
Is it me or is that TNG episode very very similar to Ann Rice’s 1990 book, ‘The Witching Hour’ where a lusty young woman finds out her family has been haunted by a Scottish sex ghost for generations and reads all the horny details in a history book about the family , before running off with the ghost herself?
Honestly this TNG ep always seemed like a ripoff of Anne Rice's THE WITCHING HOUR, up to and including the fact that Anne Rice's original first name was "Howard" (her mom was...odd).
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20 years I've lived in Scotland and never once encountered a horny ghost in a candle. Not even a mildly frisky imp in a lighter. I demand to speak to the manager.
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Imp in a lighter sound ls more convenient. Where can we find that?
To paraphrase a supposedly Scottish character in that episode- DINNAE TOUCH THA CAHNDLE! YER DOOOMED DOOMED!
@@RichardCraig I tried up voting like a dozen times but it only goes up and down one..
@@MrEscape314 I'm sick of all these imps in lights I keep finding, I'm ready to settle down with a real ghost in a candle 🥰
Captain Kirk banging alien women was a meme before memes existed.
Exactly!
Riker did much more than Kirk in TNG. Even slept with a single-sex species.
People forget how horny McCoy could be.
I am surprised Steve did not mention Risa. The brothel planet the entire crew of starships travel to as a group!
Also Quark makes it clear that half of his customer use the holodeck for sexual fantasy.
Or The Game, where the entire crew of the Enterprise is brainwashed by a sex game.
And most of the other half use it for violence.
Sometimes there's probably an overlap.
See Klingons.
Sure! Especially since he put the still of Picard and Vash in there holding the hor'ghan ;) pretty sure they went all the way too 🤷♀️ oh and the joke with Jamaharon!
Honestly, why would anyone use the Holodeck for anything else?
I mean he had it on screen, then switched to Sub Rosa I think that was his way of saying, "the sex planet is low hanging fruit. You expect sex on sex planet (and get archaeology) you expect ghosts on Scottland planet (and get sex!)"
Honestly, Picard’s immediate response to Beverly’s describing of her grandma’s sexcapades is super funny. He makes this kinda high pitched sound that gives off a feeling that he’s very interested. It really helps that Patrick Stewart is an excellent actor, and super funny when he wants to be
He's also not above toilet humor as was apparent when he revealed his idea for a show on Extras with Ricky Gervais
@@SailorDeath or when he plays the director of the CIA in American dad who is constantly high on cocaine and having adult fun time with hookers or at one point possessing a baby so he can see some boobs.
He comes across as a old Shakespearean upper class British guy but really he's more like the lower class, especially with humour.
@@charlestownsend9280 ... that's pretty much Shakespeare, though.
"mmMMMmmmmhhh, it appeahs the Howahd wimmin have excepshun'ly vigorous libeedoes"
Somehow that's both one of the worst things anybody has ever said in Star Trek, while also not even being the worst thing anybody said IN THAT EPISODE
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Risa was literally the "Fuck Planet". You display a goddamn statue and someone comes along and rides your pony. Curzon Dax fucking died of ORGASMS ON RISA!
Death by snu snu 😅
@@ryshow9118 Death by oo-mox
Beverly's MILF status was cemented earlier than Sub Rosa. In The Host, it was strongly implied that she was riding Odan on a very frequent basis, and, when the symbiont got transferred to Riker, she ended up riding him, too. I always found that funny. Despite the will-they-won't-they between Beverly and Picard present since the first episode, Riker STILL got to nail her first!
Picard never went where several men went before... especially when it was his Number One.
That's the episode where Beverly and Deanna do their... workout, right? Yes, very horny.
I was always disappointed they didn't let her hook up with the new female host.
@@jhonbus No, you're thinking of The Price, where Deanna was getting railed.
Oh, I am sure that in the naked now there was an unseen moment where there was a lot of muffled noise coming from Picard's railing room
I have found that many trekkies omit from their memory the early tng episode where the crew gets drunk and it's strongly implied that Crusher and Picard bone down so hard that Picard gets intimidated by her voracious appetite and starts avoiding her so he doesn't become an empty, sweaty husk
Also the first season of tng where tasha yar basically is implied to have sex with data.. and literally asks him if he is able to do that 😂
That's form the same episode
@@chrisinnes2128 And that episode is not only gone over at the very beginning of the video, but that episode and the related episodes were the inspiration for the episode people were complaining about.
I *wish* I could omit that episode from my memory
Boimler's Taint is one of the most legendary moments of Lower Deck. I know Steve has the sense of humor of a vulcan (winky emoji face), but that whole scene was an utter riot. The best part is the asexual Chief Engineer is in the background, buck naked and reading engineering reports on his Pad. One of the best background gags in the episode.
People who whine about current Trek are genuinely miserable, I suspect.
I love the part of “The Perfect Mate” when Riker shows Kamala to her room then immediately touches his com badge and says, “If anyone needs me, I’ll be in the Holodeck.”
It's Riker's version of Jayne's "I'll be in my bunk."
"Star Trek is too adult now!"
Meanwhile back in the first season of TNG Tasha's frequently mentioning how she spent her childhood hiding from rape gangs.
Also wasn't everyone complaining that LD "is a cartoon which makes it a kids show that's not Star Trek buhuuuuu."
Remember that time three Orion slave girls took down the enter male crew of the Enterprise, including Captain Jonathan Archer?
I sometimes think Zephram Cochrane's self-deprecating deconstruction of his vision in First Contact is the writers having a go at the fandom, and their lauding of Gene Roddenberry's vision. "I didn't build this ship to usher in a new era for humanity. You think I wanna go to the stars? I don't even like to fly. I take trains. I built this ship so that I could retire to some tropical island filled with ...naked women. That's Zefram Cochrane. That's his vision." This is the writers, laying it out there. "This is Gene's vision. This is who Gene was. Is this want you want?"
And you know what, yeah, that is what I want. I mean, don't overdo it. But yeah, a little bit of consenting adult hornyness never hurt nobody.
I absolutely love this take.
It isn't just a "don't meet your heroes" moment though, it's an acknowledgement that a visionary historical figure doesn't manifest anachronistically out of whole cloth as an avatar of the society that will follow. Cochrane is a flawed flesh and blood human shaped by the society around him, the legendary figure that he becomes is part fiction and part him rising to the occasion.
Which is to say, yeah it's pretty fair to read it as a direct commentary on Gene.
"Don't try to be a great man. Just be a man, and let history make its own judgements." is also the writers talking through him.
@@xTheUnderscorex - yeah, I’ve always loved that scene. Great people are just as often flawed people.
It was really weird to me how Zephram Cochrane got retconned multiple times. I have to say I wasn't as thrilled with the version they landed on, but it is what we got.
Given what happens to him later this is funny as hell. Be careful what you wish for Zephram
_Star Trek,_ titillating young nerds since 1966.
Deanna Troy, Tasha Yar, Seven of Nine and T'Pol in tight-fitting uniforms. Dabo girls and Orion slave girls. Riker and Kirk sleeping with everything that walks.
Just to further nail the point home: The original pilot has a bunch of aliens kidnapping the captain and trying to force him to be Adam. In fact, the yeoman character was mentioned as having “unusually strong female drives” and Susan Oliver appears as four takes on the same character: A pretty young woman, a damsel in distress, a loving wife and an Orion slave girl.
Also that episode where a bunch of horny aliens force Kirk to kiss Uhura. (Honestly, that one is very creepy.)
...Especially the bit where the Talosians truncate the illusion and Vina shouts "NO! Let me FINISH!"
I mean...You just KNOW what she means by "finish."
@@costelinha1867 Agreed!
It was way too close to masters forcing slaves to breed while they watched.
I'm not sure why but that bit about Picard insisting that 5'10 is a respectable height for a man and anything more was impractical had me crying laughing.
Worth mentioning that in the Lower Decks episode in question, the crooked administrator of the holo-tests revealed they were rigged to be un-passably difficult (for everyone but Boimler, at least). So it's likely the version of the "Naked" virus that Mariner encountered in her test had its effects intentionally cranked up to 11 compared to what the two Enterprises previously encountered.
Hence resulting in "everybody's naked and openly banging in the mess hall" instead of just "everyone's acting kinda raunchy." Point being there was an actual underlying narrative reason for the horniness factor being so overt in the Lower Decks scene.
Yes, this, exactly this. Context, people! It's as important as the text, if not moreso!
It was like a bad* fanfic!
*bad or great depending on your tastes
I always assumed that the sex ghost story was a shameless rip off of the Witching Hour by Anne Rice where the protagonist (a doctor) returns to New Orleans after her estranged mother dies and immediately begins being haunted by a sex ghost that has been haunting the women of her family for generations. Now that I know it was based off a spec script, I am more convinced than ever that it started as an Anne Rice / Star Trek crossover fan fic.
That is exactly what I thought watching that episode.. No idea who came up with the idea first though..
I loved Witching Hour, but when I saw Sub Rosa, it was clear to me that worked wonderfully in Rice's world looked silly on TNG.
Technically Patrick Stewart was in a vampire movie too (Lifeforce).
As a lifelong fan who started off with the original series, I found this episode to be absolutely hilarious and I laughed my ass off. The callbacks were great.
The incessant repetition of the term "railed" took this to a whole new level of funny. Well played my friend!
Had me rolling while I'm making dinner 😂😂😂
Lets not forget that Quark is running a holographic brothel through the entirety of DS9 and VERY explicitly markets his services on many occasions. Or how Tasha Yar's backstory involves heavy references to, uhhhhh, 'gangbangers' (to put it in a way that's safe for a youtube comment section). Or how basically every appearance of the iconic Orions in TOS is just them being portrayed as strippers. Or how the literal pilot episode was about a bunch of lonely aliens trying to convince Pike to stay with them and be their favorite porn star. The list just keeps going.
Your videos honestly have helped me be significantly less of one of THOSE kinds of fans that obsess over canon and what a show 'should' be.
People just invest a lot more of their identity into show then is healthy and when the show does not meet their expectations they feel personally attacked.
I felt the need to re-watch the scene in "Who Mourns for Morn?" where Quark goes to inspect the mud bath he inherits. That's a good one.
That Sub rosa review was almost as funny as Allison Pregler's. That's saying a lot.
Didna ligh that cahn-dle!!
@@MLBlue30 YER DOOOMED! DOOOMED!
@@o.c.kiddkidd5163 I always get the stirring to watch more of her reviews
This goes all the way back to "The Cage." After trying to tempt Pike by making Vina look more and more alluring, the Talosians then abduct Colt and Number One and use them to try to convince the captain to stay ("Your yeoman has strong feminine drives, and your cold and aloof second in command? She totally wants to bang you!") Heck, look at William Theiss' costume design all through TOS. I hate to perpetuate the "Trekkies are virgins in their parents' basement" stereotype, but complaining about how horny Trek is now? Don't they even know what Risa is?
On the TOS costume design: Somewhere I read about the Theiss Titillation Factor, which is supposedly the idea that a costume is sexy directly in "proportion" the the perceived likelihood it will fall off/apart and reveal something embarrassing.
Risa? You mean the planet they established in ds9 has tokens you can carry around that show the locals your interested in nothing but fucking.
That risa?
And then, of course, we have Carolyn Palamas' outfit in "Who Mourns for Adonais?" If memory serves, they had to use double-sided tape to keep it from falling off.
I feel like peoples' reactions to 'horny trek' is less about Star Trek being horny, and more the fact that it's more open about it that it was able to in previous series. It, much like its premise has evolved with the changing views of society. People are conflating its actual horniness with being more open to said horniness.
Steve, you consistently say exactly what I'm thinking. This episode is a case in point. Even when you don't, I'm entertained and often have something to think about.
"That was a definite breakup."
That one got me.
You just tuned Sub Rosa from a "worst ever? and can skip it" to a "must see" TNG episode. Awesome!
People like to crap all over it, but really if you just come at it as a not at all serious piece of erotic gothic fiction, it's great!
"Whining miserable dickheads" is exactly what I imagine whenever someone's comparing nutrek to old trek and how "we've gotten so much worse!" or whatever. Thank you for being a more positive Trek nerd
Star Trek and hornyness.
This video will be 75% talking about Rick Berman
Rick Pervman
I think that's going to be Jessie Gender's next vid.
11 minutes of play by play of Sub Rosa... o.O Simply amazing.
Awww man, you didn't mention the fact that Tucker was literally impregnated on Enterprise. The whole sequence with them calling the Klingons after they realize what happened and the Klingon's response is golden.
I’m here for Captain Shannon Tweed and her ship, the USS Ent-her-prize. I feel nothing but shame for that joke.
I remember reading a "making of Star Trek" book in the mid-70s. They wrote about how they kept trying to get around the bans on cussing and "open-mouthed" kissing.
If it's the same one I read they also talked about pushing the Network standards as far as they could with the women's costumes.
That's also where they discussed William Ware Theiss's costumes for female characters as "Will she or won't she fall out of that costume?"
@@aaronsugar7228 Speaking of the underside of women’s breasts: “do they think moss grows under there?” Such rules resulted in some VERY creative costumes that covered exactly what was required, but also revealed some things that no one thought to ban … like the underside of breasts. ;)
Gotta say, this was some of your best paraphrasing ever. Can't stop laughing. Thanks man.
Speaking of Yeoman Rand... Grace Lee Whitney was 35 years old when she first appeared in Star Trek. Nichelle Nichols was 33. Today, I don't think either woman, as stunning as they were, would even have been considered for their respective roles based on their age alone. Casting directors would just reflexively go for twenty-somethings.
Too true.
You mean like the lead of Discovery who was in her 30s when the show started?
What an amazing coincidence this video premieres on Valentine's Day!
Always thought that episode with the Scottish ghost was weird. Who the hell gets turned on reading about one of their grandparents going at it?
Also, he refers to “Howard women”. Howard was Beverley’s maiden name, but it presumably won’t have been her mother’s maiden name or her grandmother’s maiden name.
Hmm, good point. Perhaps the Howard dynasty had similar breeding practices as many royal lineages over history...
Also that "Super Scottish" guy is definitely an Ulsterman.
Why? Because surnames are exclusively patrilineal?
@@AlbertaGeek I was about to suggest that maybe Beverly was the first of her family to take her husband's name...
Do they state that Beverley's mother's name was Howard? I always assumed Nana was her paternal grandmother..
@@AlbertaGeek They were centuries ago, which is the time period in question.
Honestly, I rarely stay for patron thanking on anyone's videos, but your system of "every username is a first and last name" is on point and I really love it!
This was hilarious. I always skip this episode, so I'd forgotten that Picard walks in on Beverly's O-face. LOL.
Lower Decks is probably my favorite Trek right now followed by Picard. If one just goes on the ride, both shows are quite entertaining.
Always been since I've been watching the OG series, movies, TNG, DS9 (Deep Throat Nine am I right). Isn't that like a big trope with Captain Kirk, that he's constantly macking on hot alien girl's?
Probably more Riker than Kirk.. Now I'm curious what the actually number of flings they each had.
If we count Odo's "linking" with other changeling as horny action, then we have an ocean of mass orgy on Founders' planet
Yes but kirks escapades were juuuust rapey enough for the chuds.
Yes EXACTLY
Kirk more than riker. But damn close
Great sequel to Jesse Gender's video. I have a feeling people who complain about Star Trek being horny have never seen an episode of it. The Naked Time and the sequel Naked Now, the Kirk in general, Riker sometimes, Enterprise in general, Crusher and a GHOST, Laxwanna, Quark, bloody RISA. Roddenberry was possibly the horniest franchise creator period.
Imagine being one of the other people sitting in ten-forward, just trying to enjoy your breakfast, when you hear your doctor a couple tables over describing in way too much detail the sex dream she had about her dead grandma’s lover after reading her grandma’s sex diaries right before bed
honestly going through this list... i think the bigger problem is that most of the episodes that star trek does about sex... aren't very good
The way you explain scenes in episodes is absolutely hilarious! 10 out of 10. No notes.
I enjoy your funny and sometimes crude delivery. This one is one of the best 😊.
1:43 - "They are endless, Mr. Chekov" (Spock from "The Mark of Gideon") :)
aww steve, missed oppertunity there with, "eh, im gonna meet this boyfriend, i get he cant hold a candle to me" at about timestamp 12:40. seriously though kinda suprised the candle wasnt carved into a certain shape, considering all the boinking
Lust is like a flame, and have you ever watched wax drip down a candle?
Its also worth mentioning how cold it was in that disinfecting room on Enterprise.
It was apparently very cold. For disinfecting purposes.
Again another lovely and spot-on episode. Very nicely done! And another (not so) subtle swing at gatekeepers. I love it when that happens.
I'm meh on new Trek, but you're absolutely right, Steve. Counting suggestive stuff and innuendo, it's almost shocking how much sex is in OST. Go watch THAT scene between Lt. McGivers and Kahn Noonien Singh for reference...
The only good faith explanation I can think of for thinking startrek is hornier now is people who originally watched the old series as kids. Some things went over their heads, because they were kids, and they remember it as a totally wholesome innocent show. Doubly so if they were watching it in syndicated reruns as kids, when everything would look a little quaint and old fashioned. We tend to think of the past as a more innocent time.
If I recall correctly, Boimler was 'eaten' by a space monster in the first episode of the first season of Lower Decks and spat out naked.
Boimler gets naked a lot.
I get the impression that in TNG, the network censors were busy. The planet where Wesley gets into trouble featured a people with no concern for clothes, and the wardrobe department designed VERY skimpy costumes
This topic immediately brings my mind to the scene from TNG's third season episode "The Price" where Troi talks to Crusher about the new guy the writers had Troi falling in love with that week, and for absolutely no reason whatsoever, they set this scene in some exercise room with Troi and Crusher wearing tight spandex outfits that are literally one-piece thong bikinis with leggings underneath and doing stretches in suggestive poses with their legs spread wide apart. Just a flagrant attempt at appealing to the horniest teenage boy segment of the fan base.
The frequency with which the show had Troi quickly start falling for some new guy who's been on the ship for only a day and a half was pretty absurd since it was basically the only story they ever gave her in the Troi-centric episodes, and it almost made me wonder if they intended it as some inherent Betazoid trait where being empathic causes them to develop strong feelings for others much more quickly on average than other species, but in the end its clear the writers just didn't know what the hell to do with the character.
My headcanon is that is actually is roughly what you stated and it just happens to affect each Batazoid in ways that fit their personality. Troi got emotionally attached. Her mom got horny. So horny.
Also how did this episode not have an entire section just on Trois mom?
9:48 - Seriously, I am rolling in laughter over the next 60 seconds or so of this... this guy is hilarious in his own right.
10:15 - If that screenshot of Troi isn't enough to convince you... 🤣🤣😂
While DS9 definitely set the standard for Ferengi ear sex (including Quarks self moxing when he became Nagus in Season 1's The Nagus, and Rom getting an ear infection from so much self moxing in Season 4's The Bar Association), it was the TNG Season 3 episode Ménage à Troi that introduced the Trek world to oo-mox, when Lwaxana inadvertently performed the favor for Daimon Tog and then tried to use it to gain access to the ship's computer before Dr. Farek (Ethan Phillips in his ST debut) interrupted. Dr. Beverly Crusher even gets in on the ear action in Season 6's Chain of Command.
Looking forward to your review of Prince Colwyn.... ...err, Lt. Cmdr. Michael Eddington.
You think Klingons have taboo kink clubs where they just go and cuddle and make gentle, sweet love? That it's something their society frowns upon and doesn't talk about?
Near the end of the Sub Rosa section, I'm dying laughing. Definitely one of the best Trek Actually videos. Thanks Steve!
@16:16 "I know what I'm talking about; I've watched it a *bunch* of times."
Haha!
Not laugh out loud so much in ages,every time Steve said railed it just cracked me up.
I think people forget that if TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT were given the free reign STD and other recent shows have, they would have been SO MUCH WORSE. Let's not forget the idea of Garak and Bashir.
But Garak and Bashir being in a romantic relationship isn't "so much worst" (i.e; sleazy); it's just simply recognizing that people whom are _not_ staunch heterosexual exist.
@@JanetStarChild Which would have been progressive perhaps more so than the Dax kiss at the time, less so now. And people would have flipped back in the 90's. I mean even now, two men is rarely shown in general. From my experience two women is far more common.
29:34 Omg 😂Your interpretation of Beverly's resignation.... Steve Shives, you are stupidly funny!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There was that time in TOS when Zephram Cochrane is discovered being kept alive by a very feminine energy cloud.
Best… TNG story synopsis… ever. 😅
And, ah, yes.. the Enterprise Decon Scenes. Funny how we never had very many “Archer and Trip Decon” scenes…
I feel like Ronin was meant to be named Ronan, an actual Irish name. But the writers never saw it written out and instead used the romanisation of the Japanese term for masterless samurai...
But isn’t Ronin here a masterless being until he can possess a woman of the same line? The TNG writers knew theirJapanese media - many of the Okudagrams were references to anime.
"I know what I'm talking about! I know what I'm talking about. I've watched it a bunch of times" Chap in hand, Kleenex on standby. I mean: you're absolutely right.
Sub Rosa, the original "I love lamp." And Frakes directed it!
"Created by Gene Roddenberry" nuff said. They call him the Great Bird of the Galaxy. The other kind of bird 😜
The horny old goat of the galaxy more like :P
to summarize: The Naked Now literally has a scene where Geordi enters a room of frozen corpses. They are in various positions, on the ground, in a bed... Most of them butt-naked. Yeah, two guesses what those Naked Time substance affected crew people were up to. Mariner's Naked Time simulation is spot-on.
"What do you mean? Yes, it's totally justified that the decontamination room has sexy lighting. The sexy lighting helps to kill off the germs."
Enterprise's decontamination room was actually brilliant though.
CHAKOTAY: I don’t know how I’m going to enter this into the log.
TUVOK: I look forward to reading it.
Audience: I’ll just bet you do, you sick fuck.
The weird thing is, the way I think about it, Beverly, as a doctor, should be all about the mantra "do no harm", but straight up murders a sentient being.
Said being is a terrible alien ghost that's been eating out Bev's family for generations, but they should all have also led productive and full lives. Grandma got with someone, had Bev's mum, who eventually had her own husband and had Beverly... so, was Ronan really "evil" or just horny?
Star Trek also has a habit of Starfleet officers straight up murdering aliens without so much as a second thought.
I...don't think I'd ever heard about the stereotype of Jewish guys swinging serious pipe before. Honestly, I would have liked that MUCH more than the S1 TNG version...
Never heard this either, but the size of the equipment is one of the few “good” features applied by racists to stereotypes.
@@LinguarumFautor I'm presuming that's closely connected with fearmongering about danger to "white women". After all, have to come up with a reason why they would be tempted. Plus, there's the whole "like an animal" cliche ...
@@KaiHenningsen What "like an animal" cliche?
🤣🤣..... I definitely want to watch that episode from TNG right now. For research purposes obviously. What were you thinking?
I think you forgot to mention that the episodes is titled "Sub rosa" and "roses were associated with secrecy because Cupid gave a rose to Harpocrates (the Hellenistic silence god) so that he would not reveal the secrets of Venus." - Meaning a rose is actually meant to be the antique equivalent of a tie on the doorknob.
I love how Vash grabs the tip of that statuette...and Picard grinning. I mean, just go to certain sites on the internet and you technically find a lot of the same images. Just saying.
LOL. Captain Kirk zipping up his boots while his paramour combs her hair. How much clearer could it be??
Happy Valentine's Day! Let's talk about Horny Scottish Candle Ghosts! I bet Scotty wishes he'd got to meet the horny scottish ghosts and not ghost Jack the Ripper.
Every time Quark or some other ferengi touches their ears I can hear Mrs. Lovejoy screaming, "Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!"
Love your Trek, Actually videos. How about a video on Dr Bashir's and Garak flirtatious will they/won't they relationship and why the writers never actually went there!
19:10 - TNG established Ferengi's ears being an erogenous zone (and the act of oo-mox) in "Ménage à Troi." Maybe elsewhere, but this is the one I remember.
Was not expecting to be reminded of Lasher by Anne Rice when getting a summary of a Star Trek episode, but here we are. Also, insert gif of indignant Scotty here. Real Scotts don't have to threaten people with their cooking to get what they want. Usually.
Just thinking about the premise, there is a lot of that not mentioned, like Dax on Risa scenes (with her "friend" from a previous live, with Worf), Hoshi on Risa, and Troi related scenes. And of course enumerating every horny scene or plot would have made the video 5 hours long on Troi alone. So I would say: point well made, Steve.
"Did you all miss this?"
Yes actually. I started watching TMP 20 years ago, and it's still not gotten past the opening credits. It's *kind of a long movie!* I hope I can finish it before the heat death of the universe.
Don't forget Chekhov and Sulu checking out Captain Klaa's lieutenant played by Spice Williams in ST5...
the fact that in ds9, andy robinson took one look at alexander siddig and was like "....he's hot, i'm gonna go for it", and proceeded to play their first encounter Like That will never not make me laugh. my man was told to tone it down!!!because he was making garak Too Horny!!! what a legend lmao
Ahhh… Shannon Tweed. Such a specific name drop! I see I wasn’t the only person in the pre-internet 80’s and 90’s who spent hours in front of the tv late at night trying to will the Cinamax to unscramble long enough to get a glimpse of Shannon Tweed “au naturale”…. (Which probably explains why my brain is so scrambled these days!)
I would have TOTALLY watched that “Skin-A-Max” Star Trek series untilI it made me go blind!!!
"I watched it a bunch of times" Scene where Rusher is ghost gunned. I'll bet you have, naughty boy.
8:12 is that...Paul Heyman in the background??? Lol!
Fascination where Kira and Bashir were about to raw dog on the floor of Sisko’s quarters in front of e v e r y o n e
I always thought Ronan should've said something like "Ghosts are anaphasic! That's what we are!"
Also Sub Rosa proves that Star Trek has better Unions that we do, seeing as the whole ship gets time off to mourn when one crew member's grand parent dies.
This is the funniest video I have watched in a long time, I was literally in tears. You da man Steve!
19:10, that was actually established in TNG season 3. The one where Riker and Counselor and Ambassador Troi got kidnapped by that Ferengi that was really horny for Lwaxana. You know, the one where Picard has to recite a Shakespeare sonnet and gave us the 'why the fuck Picard' meme.
The Latin name for Scotland was Caledonia.
So, yeah, a planet named "Caledos" basically is "planet Scotland".
As someone who has been one of those "Star trek hasn't done anything good since fucking, 1880" fans I can't help but agree with you and make me reflect on my thoughts. I have no right to dictate what Star Trek is or isn't. DS9 has spoiled me
In the novelization of STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN, one of the scientists of the Project Genesis research team at the Regula One lab station was a Deltan who (it was implied) had been getting it on with Dr. Carol Marcus.
It was insane before I saw Star Trek how You assume that the holodeck wouldn't canonically be a sex thing but then you go and watch like next generation almost every holodeck episode involves implied masturbation, almost every holodeck reference.
Like when riker blue balls himself in the name of duty and immediately says "I'm going to go to the holodeck."
That destroyed me.
Is it me or is that TNG episode very very similar to Ann Rice’s 1990 book, ‘The Witching Hour’ where a lusty young woman finds out her family has been haunted by a Scottish sex ghost for generations and reads all the horny details in a history book about the family , before running off with the ghost herself?
A bit of a twist on "in space no one can hear you scream" when you think about it hehe.
Honestly this TNG ep always seemed like a ripoff of Anne Rice's THE WITCHING HOUR, up to and including the fact that Anne Rice's original first name was "Howard" (her mom was...odd).