This was the best interview you've done outside of some of the ones with folks like Angela's Symposium, Let's Talk Religion, Seekers of Unity, John Vervaeke, etc, really absolute top shelf stuff and I'm very very happy to have been able to be sat here for an hour and a half absorbing all of this and contemplating it. Really wonderful stuff!
The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. Worldly credentials and degrees mean nothing in the service of God. What matters is if a person has wisdom and revelation from the Spirit of God. YHWH is the Most High God. There is none other. Jesus is YHWH. The Holy Bible is True. (John 14:6-9, John 17:17).
I was wondering if these two would cross paths given their expertise and material they choose to cover on their respective channels. I am grateful to them both for delivering such wonderful content and hope they do another one of these! Dan, Justin, you are both amazing and I wish you the best!
The Esoterica video about monotheism in ancient Israel came out pretty soon after the Data/ Dogma episode about how there wasn't actually monotheism in ancient Israel. I wanted to leave a comment asking about it since from my layman perspective they're both trustworthy in their research skills and in their intellectual honesty and thought it would be fascinating to know why they came to different conclusions from the data but I thought it would be naive to think the explanation could fit a comment reply. When I saw that he was live with Dan and that they were talking exactly about that I almost screamed. Can't wait to watch this
Hearing Dan call Judah the “little brother” compared to the north makes me wonder if the common biblical motif of God choosing the younger over the firstborn represents a genuine cultural memory of Judah superseding Israel’s prominence
Even just starting with early Sumer, each town had a mascot god that lived in their tallest temple, they would kidnap each other's god statues in war! Extra humiliation. If you wanted to be a big boy nation, build a big temple with a big god.
I have stumbled across the history of the God of Abraham in my personal gazing on UA-cam, but I always take it with a grain of salt. This was an interesting video.
There are very few people who descent without deserting. It's hard to get a moderate like this to do the work then have people accept it but it's probably closer to the truth of why it is fundamentally important. Cognitive theology if I knew these things existed I would've stayed in education
Talking about monotheism as an us vs them label. The rabbis I learned from always said don't say Judaism is monotheistic we are not part of that group. Judaism is panantheistic and monotheism is merely a one idol system.
I love all the content lately on the origins of Yahweh and the origins of monotheism. I've been fascinated about these topics ever since I first read the Early History of God.
Near the end we touched on something that is about to becomes extremely present and prominent in all our lives. Religion as a tool for self improvement, vs religion as a tool for power (and superiority). As we know by now the US Republican Party has decided that Christian Nationalism is their path to power. It's my hope that you can use whatever power and reach you have to explicitly rebuke this. Otherwise, thank you as always for your stream of fine scholarly work. As a burgeoning philosopher your voice is a brilliant light in a very murky and confused field.
I would go further in saying that there is not only an interest in this kind of content, but a thirst for it. This was an excellent stream, and I look forward to more of this type of content.
would it be possible to make a video about lucifer and satan being very different entities unrelated to each other? a few videos have popped up on the topic, but having an actual scholar on it i think it would be beneficial.
I've seen Dan on UA-cam before and I am going through the backlog of Data Over Dogma and for some reason never equated that they were the same person. Very smart stuff in both of those contents and I recommend both his UA-cam Content and podcast.
Incredible discussion, thank you for illuminating a topic that's almost taboo to unpick in some places. The bit about theological necromancy got me 🤯 it's so true! I've seen religious people pull that trick like they're drawing Exodia cards from their Yu-Gi-Oh! deck.
Also, the part where you're discussing the fact that monotheism really doesn't stand up well as a theory makes so much sense to me. It's the main reason I gave up on it many years ago, no one could provide logical explanations, or a back story, as it were, for how this all came to be. Thought processes have always led me back to the conclusion that, if theology is real, there can only be multiple forces at play to fulfil the different roles needed in the progression of the world and humanity's story. This may be one of the deepest and most important discussions on this channel. Which is saying A LOT 😂😂😂
The best understanding of monotheism comes from the SCOTUS. A "polytheist" sees executives in a corporate hierarchy. A "monotheist" sees the corporation as a person. Much love!
37:38 What you guys are discussing at this point in the video kinda parallels or proves something that I have held for a long time: history is not written by the victorious, as some people say; the people who write the histories will eventually become the victorious.
37:55 "Judea is playing the role of the little brother here", hm, could that be connected to the fact that in the biblical narrative God repeatedly chooses younger brothers over the older ones?
"Reunited and it feels so good." Lovely. I'm not an intellectual or a scholar, but I was a kid who was a natural born seer, and I spent much of my life trying to understand the ways of nature and spirit and our place in that. I've found that this is an extremely predatory creation with beings who empower themselves by preying on others. And we human beings, being kind of dumb and naive, are easily duped into making alliances with them. Worship empowers them. Sacrifices empower them. Giving away our own capacity for awareness empowers them too, so they have a vested interest in keeping us dumb. Overall, I would have to say that although I haven't read The Evil Creator, the conclusion is sound. I wouldn't call him evil, but certainly a being of darkness. And I would also say that some of those gnostic writers you highlight were correct also -- there is a way to escape. I want to thank you Dr. Sledge, for sharing your knowledge because a lot of it has corroborated what I have learned myself, and if you think you are the only person who sees or knows something, you might feel a little bit crazy. But I'm not the only one. Not the first, for sure, and hopefully not the last. These things aren't myths. You're not allowed to say that. I am. Great talk here, though.
Both guys are religious and believe in God? How can you fit the round pin in the square hole when they have a conversation like this? So what is even religion/religious?(I'm an atheist by the way, deeply fascinated by the origins of religion and metaphysic worldview of us humans)
Very interesting discussion, I am currently on my second listen. I wonder what you think of the idea that parts of Jeremiah are actually a rebuke of Josiah's reform/inquisition.
Interesting Talk learned a few things Thank You. Something I like to remind my self while I try and figure it out like every one else. Is that these beings in the end are incomprehensible to us. So we do our best and then we all fight over the Definitions and the Logic. What else can the ants talk about when discussing the Farmers? We can come to a perfect conclusion and Yahweh or who ever you believe is in the farmers group still will be what they will be. We can try to make sense of it and we probably should but they do not operate by the same rules as us. The restrictions we put on God are just words. A Person can drink coffee every day and then say I want Tea. The server can say but that's not your usual and it might matter. My point is the Contradictions are our problem to deal with among our selves in the limited way we understand it. In the end our understanding will still be limited and lead to conflict as 3D beings try to make 2D images of A Being or Beings that operate from a completely different perspective than us.
Incredible discussion! Lots of angles I never considered before, particularly that bit about monotheism as concept being hailed as a supreme value. I've never thought to challenge the rationale on why it has to be one god if any. I mean I've thrown out the idea polytheism as an immediate out so my view falls into a dichotomy of one vs none and it never occurred to me on visiting why it has to be one if it's none. Guess I need to brush up on what it's like to be a filthy pagan. Viewing the development of early israelite-judahite through their local political is also interesting. YHWH/Adonai becoming the supreme deity due to being the last one standing in the region after some elimination of deities makes me think of how Paul's teachings were what won out among early christianities due to them surviving as literature being passed around long after his own death and loss of control of his own churches. It also brings to mind how there was that one egyptian pharaoh that tried to push his own monotheistic beliefs over the rest to consolidate power and wealth under himself but failed to only for the next guy to bring things back to polytheism. If unity behind a faith can't be enforced with powerful backers then it's up to the means of propagation to survive long enough amongst the chaos.
A item of difficulty I have with the comparison of the archaeological record to the documentation kept by a religious group is the biases from other cultures. How would a polytheists interpret the actions/ beliefs of a monotheistic culture/ deity? Would they not try to separate it into separate entities. Even the histories kept in by the Israelites is filled with the polytheististic influences as the scholars and prophets of the religion struggle to maintain the "one God" practice because the concept is just hard to grasp.
The fallen one's having chosen their land on earth then went to govern the native peoples of that region...they went by never alone, up to ten maximum they did go, by the reason of their original treachery in the other realm they did turn on themselves, to war they went with their earthly servants(slaves), by the time many of the worlds religious scripts were recorded there is a memory and last of the epic wars between the fallen one's, it seems there are at least two or three still waring here.
The elephant in the room for me is Persian Zoroastrianism. We have a messianic king of kings following a single good god. Before that, we have trash talk my god is better than your god. Afterward, we introduce ethics and metaphysics.
@@MrAlepedroza Look at the Behistun Inscription, which was created at the time of Darius, who was of the same dynasty. This clearly establishes worship of Ahura Mazda. If you look at Second Chronicles, Cyrus proclaims "All the kingdoms of the earth hath the LORD, the God of heaven given me." From this, it seems reasonable to infer that YHWH was equated with Ahura Mazda.
The appearance of Yahweh Katan such as Metatron and even Jesus during the Hellenistic and Roman periods implies to me a resurgence of "polytheism". Could it be an indication that the centralization of Adonai as a deity had gone too far and practitioners needed more accessible representation and less abstraction?
First of: WOW! Super cool stuff. A good representation of the historical god! And it's not a glorious story! That's food for thought. But what's niggling at me the whole time, what shimmers through: de social political process that lead to these two kingdoms. A confederation of rebellious Kanaanite non-elites, semitic tribes, mixed in a ton of Egyptian and older Babylonian stuff. How did that story go in reality? Cause it's them that tell the Biblical story, redacting it etc.
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This was the best interview you've done outside of some of the ones with folks like Angela's Symposium, Let's Talk Religion, Seekers of Unity, John Vervaeke, etc, really absolute top shelf stuff and I'm very very happy to have been able to be sat here for an hour and a half absorbing all of this and contemplating it. Really wonderful stuff!
Oh my gosh! My favorite experts! You two have given me such a great insight into theology and religion better than any temple or church.
Fr I feel like I’ve learned more from this channel alone than I did my entire childhood growing up religious
The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. Worldly credentials and degrees mean nothing in the service of God. What matters is if a person has wisdom and revelation from the Spirit of God. YHWH is the Most High God. There is none other. Jesus is YHWH. The Holy Bible is True. (John 14:6-9, John 17:17).
As it is written, “God has hidden these things from the wise and prudent”
@@evangelisticoutreach1 what if I believe in Jesus, but don’t think he is YHWH? Why can’t I just do that?
@evangelisticoutreach1 Thanks for sharing your superstition. It is not epistemically justified, however.
I was wondering if these two would cross paths given their expertise and material they choose to cover on their respective channels. I am grateful to them both for delivering such wonderful content and hope they do another one of these! Dan, Justin, you are both amazing and I wish you the best!
Dr. Sledge and Dr. McClellen on the same stream? It's not even my birthday.
Seriously, both of you guys are wonderful.
As an atheist this content feeds my soul in a historical, anthropological kind of way. Thank you for filling a hole that Mormonism destroyed for me.
I grew up very rigidly Catholic and I totally get it. I can only imagine the void that gets left by something as tasteless and artifical as Mormonism.
I feel that bro! Grew up a jehovah’s witness and took the dark route out when I left the cult and went to esoterics
The Esoterica video about monotheism in ancient Israel came out pretty soon after the Data/ Dogma episode about how there wasn't actually monotheism in ancient Israel. I wanted to leave a comment asking about it since from my layman perspective they're both trustworthy in their research skills and in their intellectual honesty and thought it would be fascinating to know why they came to different conclusions from the data but I thought it would be naive to think the explanation could fit a comment reply. When I saw that he was live with Dan and that they were talking exactly about that I almost screamed. Can't wait to watch this
Hearing Dan call Judah the “little brother” compared to the north makes me wonder if the common biblical motif of God choosing the younger over the firstborn represents a genuine cultural memory of Judah superseding Israel’s prominence
Interesting
I always loved that trope in the bible....I'm the youngest!
Or propaganda to justify it
@@oliviawilliams6204Justify? Assyria crushed the northern kingdom. That is what made Judah stronger than Israel/Samaria.
This has been one of my favorite interviews of 2024. Thanks so much to Dr. Sledge and Dr. McClellan.
"The Spartans... they got their asses kicked!"
"Heroically! They got their asses kicked heroically."
lmao
Even just starting with early Sumer, each town had a mascot god that lived in their tallest temple, they would kidnap each other's god statues in war! Extra humiliation.
If you wanted to be a big boy nation, build a big temple with a big god.
I have stumbled across the history of the God of Abraham in my personal gazing on UA-cam, but I always take it with a grain of salt. This was an interesting video.
There are very few people who descent without deserting. It's hard to get a moderate like this to do the work then have people accept it but it's probably closer to the truth of why it is fundamentally important. Cognitive theology if I knew these things existed I would've stayed in education
@@andrewbreding593 Yeah.
@@thirdcoastfirebirdYeah.
Dangit! I wish I had known that you two were going to do a live collaboration!
Ikr? Just missed it!
Two of my very favourites together !! This was such a treat made my day !! Thank you both for what you do :)
I'm going to have to watch this a few times, and still let it soak in. I hear the words, but my mind is kind of blown right now!
Two of my favorite scholars together...like two great tastes that taste great together. A Reeses cup of theological discussion.
Talking about monotheism as an us vs them label. The rabbis I learned from always said don't say Judaism is monotheistic we are not part of that group. Judaism is panantheistic and monotheism is merely a one idol system.
The live stream was exceptional, covering a fascinating topic that illuminated the depths of mystical and spiritual knowledge in a captivating way.
Reunited and it feels so good! A deep pull.
Please, please, please do this again with another topic! Perhaps this becomes a regular, yet periodic, feature on the two channels? Thank you, both!
I love all the content lately on the origins of Yahweh and the origins of monotheism. I've been fascinated about these topics ever since I first read the Early History of God.
Wow what a great discussion..thanks for sharing with us!
Two of my favorites ❤
These two together would be the perfect recurring segment on this channel
Love you both and what a surprise to find you both here, together!!!❤❤❤
OMG MY TWO FAVES!!!! Let’s gooo!!!
Near the end we touched on something that is about to becomes extremely present and prominent in all our lives. Religion as a tool for self improvement, vs religion as a tool for power (and superiority).
As we know by now the US Republican Party has decided that Christian Nationalism is their path to power. It's my hope that you can use whatever power and reach you have to explicitly rebuke this.
Otherwise, thank you as always for your stream of fine scholarly work. As a burgeoning philosopher your voice is a brilliant light in a very murky and confused field.
Oh snap! Dan McClellan is my favorite bible guy!
Thanks!
I was so excited to see both of your faces!! I grabbed my popcorn instantly! I've learned so much from both of you. Please do more videos together 🙏
I learned very much from this talk - a deep thank you!
Really appreciated this conversation. Looking forward to hearing more from Dan.
Epic crossover, love both your work
Great live stream!!! 💯🙏🏽
Thank you!
Very good discussion! Thank you both!
You guys are great. More please!
great discussion
I would go further in saying that there is not only an interest in this kind of content, but a thirst for it. This was an excellent stream, and I look forward to more of this type of content.
Two of my favorites :)
Great discussion, very interesting and informative!
Hey Herriman UT, shout out from South Jordan!
I MISSED THIS LIVESTREAM!! I’m so mad!
would it be possible to make a video about lucifer and satan being very different entities unrelated to each other? a few videos have popped up on the topic, but having an actual scholar on it i think it would be beneficial.
Great discussion 👍
Finally 🙌
Nice combo!!
I've seen Dan on UA-cam before and I am going through the backlog of Data Over Dogma and for some reason never equated that they were the same person. Very smart stuff in both of those contents and I recommend both his UA-cam Content and podcast.
Incredible discussion, thank you for illuminating a topic that's almost taboo to unpick in some places. The bit about theological necromancy got me 🤯 it's so true! I've seen religious people pull that trick like they're drawing Exodia cards from their Yu-Gi-Oh! deck.
Also, the part where you're discussing the fact that monotheism really doesn't stand up well as a theory makes so much sense to me. It's the main reason I gave up on it many years ago, no one could provide logical explanations, or a back story, as it were, for how this all came to be. Thought processes have always led me back to the conclusion that, if theology is real, there can only be multiple forces at play to fulfil the different roles needed in the progression of the world and humanity's story. This may be one of the deepest and most important discussions on this channel. Which is saying A LOT 😂😂😂
The best understanding of monotheism comes from the SCOTUS. A "polytheist" sees executives in a corporate hierarchy. A "monotheist" sees the corporation as a person. Much love!
Both have gash mereologies
@@TheEsotericaChannel A Modus Vivendi even!
"Last god standing"!
The deep lore thickens... excellent 😁
37:38 What you guys are discussing at this point in the video kinda parallels or proves something that I have held for a long time: history is not written by the victorious, as some people say; the people who write the histories will eventually become the victorious.
45:53 wow my Raiders catch a stray to the forehead out of nowhere haha 😭🤣. Nonetheless, Love the vid 🫶🏽
I follow both of your channels, it was great you had this conversation, thank you.
37:55 "Judea is playing the role of the little brother here", hm, could that be connected to the fact that in the biblical narrative God repeatedly chooses younger brothers over the older ones?
Definitely a coincidence ;)
Dr. J needs to jump on the Data>Dogma podcaat so we can all have a live cocktail party. 🖖
"Reunited and it feels so good." Lovely. I'm not an intellectual or a scholar, but I was a kid who was a natural born seer, and I spent much of my life trying to understand the ways of nature and spirit and our place in that. I've found that this is an extremely predatory creation with beings who empower themselves by preying on others. And we human beings, being kind of dumb and naive, are easily duped into making alliances with them. Worship empowers them. Sacrifices empower them. Giving away our own capacity for awareness empowers them too, so they have a vested interest in keeping us dumb. Overall, I would have to say that although I haven't read The Evil Creator, the conclusion is sound. I wouldn't call him evil, but certainly a being of darkness. And I would also say that some of those gnostic writers you highlight were correct also -- there is a way to escape. I want to thank you Dr. Sledge, for sharing your knowledge because a lot of it has corroborated what I have learned myself, and if you think you are the only person who sees or knows something, you might feel a little bit crazy. But I'm not the only one. Not the first, for sure, and hopefully not the last. These things aren't myths. You're not allowed to say that. I am. Great talk here, though.
One of the best episodes if I didn't watch the parts you fast forwarded live though I'd be a bit upset about it being hard to hear
Can you post the link for the Biblical Hebrew class?
Both guys are religious and believe in God? How can you fit the round pin in the square hole when they have a conversation like this? So what is even religion/religious?(I'm an atheist by the way, deeply fascinated by the origins of religion and metaphysic worldview of us humans)
I'm religious but a post-theist
@@TheEsotericaChannel please explain "post-theist"
Definitely not in a yt comment
@@TheEsotericaChannel cool, I can respect that.
I'll make a video about it at some point
"Theological Necromancy" That term goes so hard, I love it.
Maybe I missed it but was God an Anatomy mentioned? That was a really interesting book that was laid out in a clever way.
❤
Very interesting discussion, I am currently on my second listen. I wonder what you think of the idea that parts of Jeremiah are actually a rebuke of Josiah's reform/inquisition.
I love when you have these conversations as I always find someone new to follow.
Dan, you didn't announce your T-shirt fit for this live stream!
Ducktales! (Awwwooooo-Ooo!)
Dan - El? Fortress of Solitude? You implying? Heh. Because those are Marvel Comic covers on the wall behind you.
I hope you continue to speak about monotheism and maybe talk about the Islamic Allah? Thanks 😊
Interesting Talk learned a few things Thank You. Something I like to remind my self while I try and figure it out like every one else. Is that these beings in the end are incomprehensible to us. So we do our best and then we all fight over the Definitions and the Logic. What else can the ants talk about when discussing the Farmers? We can come to a perfect conclusion and Yahweh or who ever you believe is in the farmers group still will be what they will be. We can try to make sense of it and we probably should but they do not operate by the same rules as us. The restrictions we put on God are just words. A Person can drink coffee every day and then say I want Tea. The server can say but that's not your usual and it might matter. My point is the Contradictions are our problem to deal with among our selves in the limited way we understand it. In the end our understanding will still be limited and lead to conflict as 3D beings try to make 2D images of A Being or Beings that operate from a completely different perspective than us.
This was wonderful. These "two doctor convos" are great. Dr Dan u got my sub! Can't wait to check out ur content.
Incredible discussion! Lots of angles I never considered before, particularly that bit about monotheism as concept being hailed as a supreme value. I've never thought to challenge the rationale on why it has to be one god if any. I mean I've thrown out the idea polytheism as an immediate out so my view falls into a dichotomy of one vs none and it never occurred to me on visiting why it has to be one if it's none. Guess I need to brush up on what it's like to be a filthy pagan.
Viewing the development of early israelite-judahite through their local political is also interesting. YHWH/Adonai becoming the supreme deity due to being the last one standing in the region after some elimination of deities makes me think of how Paul's teachings were what won out among early christianities due to them surviving as literature being passed around long after his own death and loss of control of his own churches. It also brings to mind how there was that one egyptian pharaoh that tried to push his own monotheistic beliefs over the rest to consolidate power and wealth under himself but failed to only for the next guy to bring things back to polytheism. If unity behind a faith can't be enforced with powerful backers then it's up to the means of propagation to survive long enough amongst the chaos.
Was the KJB put together in a way where monotheism was injected into it?
Min 56:53 yay! Not nearly enough shout outs in forums like these to cognitive linguistics!! YAY!! ❤
A item of difficulty I have with the comparison of the archaeological record to the documentation kept by a religious group is the biases from other cultures. How would a polytheists interpret the actions/ beliefs of a monotheistic culture/ deity? Would they not try to separate it into separate entities. Even the histories kept in by the Israelites is filled with the polytheististic influences as the scholars and prophets of the religion struggle to maintain the "one God" practice because the concept is just hard to grasp.
That 18th century definition makes sense, seems thst was meant to be a Greek translation of the Arabic theological term of Tawid.
i had the same experience as a youngster reading the bible but nobody could explained me why they were talking about gods in plural
what if in 2k years this video becomes the basis for everyone worshipping the denver broncos.
Awesome content! Thank you 😊
The fallen one's having chosen their land on earth then went to govern the native peoples of that region...they went by never alone, up to ten maximum they did go, by the reason of their original treachery in the other realm they did turn on themselves, to war they went with their earthly servants(slaves), by the time many of the worlds religious scripts were recorded there is a memory and last of the epic wars between the fallen one's, it seems there are at least two or three still waring here.
Yahweh fighting by prison rules is an image I'll always treasure!
The elephant in the room for me is Persian Zoroastrianism. We have a messianic king of kings following a single good god. Before that, we have trash talk my god is better than your god. Afterward, we introduce ethics and metaphysics.
Zoroastrianism was not monotheistic during the Persian rule of Judea, its messianic ideas and exclussivism developping along several centuries.
@@MrAlepedroza Look at the Behistun Inscription, which was created at the time of Darius, who was of the same dynasty. This clearly establishes worship of Ahura Mazda. If you look at Second Chronicles, Cyrus proclaims "All the kingdoms of the earth hath the LORD, the God of heaven given me." From this, it seems reasonable to infer that YHWH was equated with Ahura Mazda.
Oi, you think those are defeats? Have you looked at crucifiction?
Nothing says job security like correcting people on the internet.
OhhYeahWay
Is the god of Spinoza more strictly monotheistic then?
Monism yes, mono-theism, not so much
The appearance of Yahweh Katan such as Metatron and even Jesus during the Hellenistic and Roman periods implies to me a resurgence of "polytheism". Could it be an indication that the centralization of Adonai as a deity had gone too far and practitioners needed more accessible representation and less abstraction?
This was fascinating. Most if it went waaaaaaaaay over my head, but I remain deeply intrigued by this kind of scholarship.
OMG! Two of my favorite academics collaborating! Could a guest shot from Dr. Sledge on Diablocritics be next?
That was fun!
Can there ever be objectivity in special pleading?
An acknowledgment of subjectivity has to be involved in any honest discussion.
First of: WOW! Super cool stuff. A good representation of the historical god! And it's not a glorious story! That's food for thought. But what's niggling at me the whole time, what shimmers through: de social political process that lead to these two kingdoms. A confederation of rebellious Kanaanite non-elites, semitic tribes, mixed in a ton of Egyptian and older Babylonian stuff. How did that story go in reality? Cause it's them that tell the Biblical story, redacting it etc.
Coming up next Stan Lee's interview on the origins of Iron Man!
is the joke that dan or justin invented god
@@vivianadelatorre7267 nah
Im ready, i love when you discuss yaweh
On cheerleading and politics: George W Bush was one in college. Good catch, Doc.
Just watched data over dogma. What a nice surprise!
Very interesting,, learned something new about something very, very old
Why hasnt anyone made a game of thrones style show, but with Gods.
That is so fucking weird! I was just in Harrimen, Utah this week! The coincidence is weird.
No Weh!!!!
(best Keanu accent)
😆
I am petitioning you to do a show with Chris Palmero, who just completed his Born in the Second Century podcast.
Biblical history dream team right there.