reminder than americans being ignorant about Geography is a cliché that exist because of real things like this lmao. Obviously they're not all like this. Dont mind them but come on Americans, the world is big, look around a little bit.
@@Hunter_17825idem. ho giocato Genshin per 4 anni dal day one, e non ho avuto un minimo di esitazione dall'abbandonarlo nonostante i soldi e il tempo speso. La gente dovrebbe fare lo stesso perchè esiste WuWa che è stata una manna dal cielo per quanto mi riguarda e ha migliorato ogni aspetto di Genshin (spoiler, sta continuando a migliorare) però non lo fanno perchè purtroppo la maggior parte si sente spaventata all'idea di questo, cosa secondo me che non dovrebbe mai esistere perchè significa che sei legato al gioco in modo tossico ma ok
100% agree on having a skip button. There are people who play games just for the combat and there are people who play for both. Just give the option. I dont know why Genshin doesn't have it. It's stupid. I quit because of it. OR add a skip button with a summary of whats happening on what we're skipping.
CN people said because once the story is skipped, players realize that genshit has no merit. Also its because Stingy Impact is stingy. Most people haven't done quest for years now. If the suddenly add skip button, everyone will have 300 pulls by skipping years of story. Their revenue will plummet and disappear from Sensor Tower PvP list. Genshit will make farming pulls as miserable as possible so that people can't farm pulls and buy pulls instead.
absolutely, genshit(and hsr too) story will become much more palatable, there is absolutely no reason for them to not have other than to keep players ingame for longer. Other games with much better story(and fucking vns too) have it
I actually really enjoyed having Seka in this gacha cast, especially cuz he doesn't play WuWa (or doesn't play much?) so him asking questions as an "outsider" and having that "outsider" view was cool to hear.
What Sekapoko was arguing at 2:16:00 really confuses me. He literally explained Tectones point. yes, the game has free currency that can pull the characters without spending any real money. Seka says that the math only adds up if you are pulling EVERY character.... The argument is about if a new character is content. for a new character to be considered content. YOU WOULD NEED TO BE PULLING EVERY CHARACTER, THATS THE WHOLE POINT. For a character to be considered content you need to get every single one every patch, and to do that, you have to spend money (or get insanely lucky which is extremely unrealistic, ESPECIALLY for newer players)
Welkin moon + winning a few 50/50s and you can pretty much save and maintain enough rolls to pull every character that comes out. GIGA cope that new units arnt content
@@_keru that's the point. Not everyone can get the new character every patch which means that for THAT specific patch they don't have a "content" if you say that a new character is content. You can argue it's new content IF everyone gets the new character.
Hes arguing that most people do not spend 300$. Currencies are obtainable through various means and not just direct payment. Also 300$ is 90+90pulls aka max pulls for a character, you would be lying to say that is what most people go through. Yes, teccy did say it was the "maximum" but how many players would you say go through this scenario? i would argue its less than 1% of the player base. Its very out of touch on teccy's side.
@@unplayyy Exactly most player base dont work specially in Asia side to which usually are broke and cant afford to spend any dime on game, that is the whole point that most people from west nissed out, cuz i shit you not living in asia part time job doesnt really exists and getting employed is hard cuz of economic and social variables
2:19:45 thats the point for what teccy was trying to say that *New characters does not equal new content* .. the genshin guy literally says it himself. Yes, for peoole who havent touched GI, its huge, but for those residents, the only "content" is the new characters which is definitely NOT new content
We're arguing semantics at this point. But if I were to take your argument to its ideological endpoint than shadow of the erd tree isn't content for elden ring because why? It costs money? Not everyone can afford it? Then a new fighting character can't be considered new content in a fighting game for that same reason. I say new characters are new content. Because it's a new thing in the game. Whether it costs money or not its quite literally a new thing in the game. There for its content
@@ACFaller I think with the amount of attention the new Characters get in terms of guides, not only in Genshin but also in every gacha game. Even for the CC's explaining how the new Character works and where and in which comps you can use them, i'd say it's actually pretty important content. Unfortunately even though they do that, they wouldn't want to admit it.. But i fear that also comes from the woven narrative about Genshin having no content to further power it.
2:18:20 I think this whole argument was horribly explained. Here is why. The base point Tectone is arguing is that new characters are not content. The argument would then be countered by if the amount of primogems they allowed for each patch allowed you to get at least one copy of each character at maximum pity and 50/50 loss. This is not possible. Therefore characters are not content because every player would not have equal opportunity to get every character. *You can’t argue that something players are unable to get without spending money is content in a free to play game*
In a Gacha game new characters are absolutely content my bro. Endgames are made with new character in mind, same with events in that patch. This isn't just any free to play game this is a predatory Gacha game that wants you to spend money for pulls.
Characters are only "content" if the source of motivation for playing the game is building up new characters. Yes, it's still technically content that you get them faster if you spend money. If you're F2P, you get them slowly and wait reruns for specific ones. However, it is not content for players who plays the game for new stories, gameplays and maps. New characters are not content for them. This is why in gacha games where they do not sastify in actual content like those, if you stopped pulling characters like whatever reasons, you run out of motivation to play the game very quickly. It's because the actual content without gacha is bad.. You realised you are only motivated because of gacha characters, not the game anymore.
Yeah, but this setup means even Welkins are screwed. Under the old system if you didn't have enough for both you could buy a Welkin and know that the full value would have hit before the end of Citlali's banner. As it is...
No, characters in themselves are not content. They are a VEHICLE to experience said content. You're doing the content because you want to level these characters and play with them, and you're levelling them because you want to do content with them (hopefully). But if there's no content to do, then the characters are essentially useless, unless you only pull for them if they pretty, and that's dumb. (Disclaimer: I'm dumb for that specific reason.)
i uninstalled every gacha game i was addicted to in the beginning of December to ensure my new years resolution wouldn't be a failure. I will no longer be a slave. I owe you a lot for pointing out how predatory they are and changing my perspective on sunken cost fallacy to that the money was wasted immediately after it was spent.. Thank you Tectone!
1:13:28 On that note, for example, on game-i a website people often use to look at JP rankings and revenue. Carlotta's first day ranked #21 on ios and Camellya #9, but the site also reported that Carlotta made 85M Yen on the first day and Camellya 72.5M Yen in JP. Rankings can heavily vary depending on what's also going on with other apps at the time.
After playing through 2.0 wuwa and 1.4 zzz, both of them exceeded my expectations through the roof. I'm excited to see their progress going forward in the future.
One complaint for wuwa. It's the transition when the characters are speaking in English. If you have the dialog on auto. The character would finish speaking before the animation finish. Not sure if it's the same in othe languages. It is very emersion braking because there is a pause before the next line us said due to the game trying to finish the scene animation. If they fix this I think the story telling would be much better than it is now
29:20 Skip button is important for me especially for long yapping like Aventurine quest on HSR, that quest is successfully make my phone overheat and get bootloop because im auto dialog it (because the story is fkin boring for me), also if my internet suddenly cutoff, the story will begin from the beginning, So that why im really suffering and can't go to latest content because "hoyo yapping simulator"
also i think being able to skip doesnt really mean the game is bad like what they talked abt in the video, its just nice to have an option for ppl who dont rlly care for the story or sum, a skip button is always nice to have, especially for phone users like you explained
51:10, regarding wuwa's powercreep status. "How is Changli compared to new 2.0 characters?". Shortest answer from me would be: Changli can be way stronger or way weaker. No powercreep pattern as of now. Longer answer would be that this is a difficult question as there are a lot of factors involved. The most major would be Changli is more of a quickswap than a hypercarry. And that Changli's power scales off the user's skill level. From a particular discord's link to a google doc documenting speedruns and the team's clear time (S0R1 Limited, up to S2R2 Standard. Times shown are for current ToA's level 100 Thundering Memphis.) Current Changli SPEEDRUN S0R1 is 26s in a team with Jinhsi and Shorekeeper quickswap. Current Carlotta SPEEDRUN S0R1 is 44s in a team with Zhezhi and Shorekeeper hypercarry. A STANDARD character, Encore (S1R1) SPEEDRUN is 32s in a team with Sanhua and Shorekeeper. Yes, Speedruns are not that relatable for casuals, but it shows the known DPS ceiling for some characters and teams. Changli Jinhsi is quickswap, insane amount of skill needed. Carlotta Zhezhi is hypercarry, and the gameplay is very "linear". Not much skill needed. So my answer would be: Changli is better if you have godly skills, other hypercarry DPS is better and pretty much "close to each other" if you are casual. No powercreep pattern as of yet.
2:16:11 ppl really do not understand math lol. Max cost means no optimization at all. So mathematically, it costs approximately 300 USD for the THEORETICAL maximum to guarantee 1 unit. This mean going all the way to 90 pity twice (or whatever the hard cap on pity despite the change of hitting it being so close to 0)
Yes we all understand the point. Seke's point is that it's irrelevant to anyone that plays the game on a regular basis. No one is paying 300$ for a single copy unless you want every character. So whats the point of shouting 300$ at Genshin. It's the same in every gacha if you're playing that way.
What's $300 X 50/50 ? $150 per character. Tectone assumes a 50/50 chance means you loose every time. That's not 50/50. Because you also win 50% of the time. And we aslo have free currency that gives us 100 pulls per patch on average. He has such an L take.
@@utilae1 Nah. That 150$ is roughly the AVERAGE price. Tectone said MAX price to get a character you want is 300$. I agree that calculating the cost of character using max price is not the best way to do it but that's not what he argued here.
@@Figs-e5l I'm not sure what he's arguing, but he only brought up "max" as a defense. He said $300 for every character initially. But either way, any idea of using his max price is stupid. Having played HSR since the start, I've never ever hit higher then 81 pulls for a character. It makes me think the odds of hitting pity between 81-90 is very low. So my worst case is 81 X2 = 162 pulls.
@@Figs-e5l But like this 300$ argument only makes sense if you 1. Only roll for the character with real money and 2. Literally do nothing else in the game. I really don't get his crash out, and it was kinda embarrassing. All people are saying is his made up scenario never happens unless you are rolling for constellations.
The worst part about having the dual banner in genshin last the entire patch is that was actually leaked it would be, but they changed it in early december, That same leak also said the same thing for HSR 3.0, Leak was unreliable but i was so sure it was true, I got both without spending because i did exactly what sekapoko said, i skipped multiple banners in a row so i could ensure archon, i also follow banner and chareter leaks to plan ahead to make sure i get who i want,
Just barely managed to get both while taking a minor wound in my wallet of 20$. That's with winning first 50:50 and failing second and getting early and also saving since end of Fontaine.
I was very lucky, getting Mavuika and Citlali and after few tens even Mavuika's weapon. Right now i'm testing my luck to wether i also get the weapon of Citlali because she's best Natlan Character. P.S i was at Character guaranteed at about 60 to get mavuika, lost early 50/50 and then got Citlali with 70 pulls that i kept for Mavuika by skipping the other characters.
I just wanna say it takes quite a lot for me to sub to someone. The last few days you been a gold mine in entertainment. You have my sub. Keep it up my guy, love ya.
I’d love Zajef on gacha cast but sadly Tectone and his community would flame him wayyyyyyy too much 😔 If people hated Seka’s yapping then Zy0x would be even worse lol.
@@pauljoseph3081 Hmmmm I doubt they’d come to some sort of truce tbh. Tec has thrown some pretty serious stuff at Zaj, and he hasn’t exactly shied away from him.
1:38:00 just because something is a culture doesnt mean its good or justified. We need to stop putting cultures on a pedestal and saying "well actaully its a culture so that why 🤓🤓"
regarding a skip button in genshin, i want that so bad. I forgot to do main story quest to unlock the companion quest rewards for the rewards so i had a few hours to go through 6-7 hrs of content so i skimmed through the story and i managed to finish the companion quest watching all the cutscenes, 10 mins after the rewards disappeared so i didnt get those rewards.
27:47 the only thing i wanna add about skip button implementation, it should not be too invasive on the UI. Better yet hidden unless you skip 2 dialogues in quick succession. For example as much as i wanna sit through the entire wuwa story, the skip button keeps distracting me and teasing me to click it no matter how much i enjoy the story
I like the skip button but it can be a little bit dangerous for the devs since they want the players to experience the story to promote the new characters.
I want a skip button in genshin and honkai because new events are time limited and locked behind story quests, and having to sit through hundreds and hundreds of hours of ceaseless yapping causes me a shitload of anxiety
The whole argument "they can't make harder content" for Genshin because it would instant kill you is stupid. They have a custom build Unity engine, the funds, resources and man power to change the game. If they can add 3D maneuverability in Natlan's waters, add characters and Pokemons that go beyond the base gameplay, then they can rework the Dodge Mechanic as well.
Don't let baldness of Tectone distract you from the fact, that this was great episod... WAIT, something doesn't work! 36:46 - some of the best words for describing Genshin EVER
@Teah0325 I'm from Germany and we had the USA states once too. But I can't tell which there r anymore except of a few we'll know, but these without their location tho.
01:44:56 Genshin's new banner change = you lost at most 45 pulls when pulling the two banners, which is about half a character, which have less effect on F2P players, more on the players who would spend money. (Losing 45 pulls isn't likely to effect whether F2P players would get a character, but it would cost people money if people are going to spend money on pulls.)
I hope they keep up with the random cutscene encounter in future regions. Seriously like when the cutscene with the knights popped up i thought i was gonna watch those two duke it out but no they went 180 and went after me
genshin having to save multiple patch for archon in order to not be affected by the double banner meanwhile in wuwa: player having missed 2 limited character out of 8 so far while failing every 50/50 possible. also have 5 limited weapon... with an avg roll of 70 for character and 60 for weapon yes that was possible with month pass. no discount spent. idk... genshin generous i guess
@@WaveRider7777 yes whats the problem? - both exceded their playerbase expectations wuwa did better but it was whole relaunch meanwhile zzz had sub relauch which is why wuwa did it better lol in a different calibre but not that much
He was arguing that the average player isn't going to be at the point where they are going to spend the absolute max of $300 - due to free currency in the patch, past unspent currency, and the currency you acquire from pulling that you can buy more pulls with. Therefor, there's no point in arguing about this hypothetical maximum. Others in the call also agreed that the $300 cost is "unrealistic" for the average player. Sekapoko was simply trying to give a more reasonable estimated number, but Teccy wouldn't let him.
@@lynayra6492 but that doesn't matter becuase no one was talking about the average. The MAX is $300. That part is ridiculous because either you bite the bullet and spend it or grind to where you wouldn't have to worry about it.
@@skittlecornnation4323tectone is either arguing the maximum that you have to spend is 300,🎉 which isn't true because seko is correct there's free currency in the game guaranteeing you wouldn't HAVE to spend that maximum. Or that the maximum you CAN spend is 300 to guarantee a character which is true but who cares. He even brings up the argument that he and many others would not play a game and just log into to drop 300 on the new character and log off. Like okay? What is even the point of the argument at all at that point? Characters aren't new content because they cost money? Well then shadow of the erdtree isn't content for elden ring because that costs money too. Fighting game characters aren't content in fighting games because it costs money lmao. Tectones argument is inherently flawed here
OMG ITS ELLY I WATCH her for The first Descendant stuff i was so out of the loop when i saw her youtube had vanished no matter how much i tried to find her again i was worried
Wuwa 2.0 had show the potential of a gacha open world game if the dev are dedicated they can bring a whole new game experience and with the huge revenue they generate and low investment development it's was just fair the player wanted a quality in every patch, genshin fail to develop their game for 4 years their to predatory focus, and the next new gacha game that's will release will add more variety.
What Sekka was trying to say is that while the 300$ for the character thing IS TRUE, realistically majority of people are not gonna spend that much on a single banner BECAUSE they have at least some in-game currency already, also not everyone is loaded with money to even spend on games PLUS some people can't even spend money on genshin cuz they're kids and their parents won't allow them lmao, it's mostly kids playing genshin. So while the 300$ thing is true, realistically for 90% of people it won't come to that
6:58 The MC being silent and hitting those autistic pose during some of the multi-option dialogue in cutscenes is what bugged me the most, like I'm super immersive into the story, hooked with the voice acting but then the conversation pan to our MC and they just hit the proud pose while the sound completely cut off, it need to change.
Exactly, why this not get addressed more. It’s so lame, watching MC ruining all immersion of the story, which was pretty solid for beginning of new region
2:13:30 Ok, first of all, new characters are 100% considered new content. What Tectone should be saying is that they should not be considered accessible content. Using his logic, new archon story that gets released in the patch wouldn't be considered new content, since any new or returning player will not be able to experience it right away. When a new character comes to the game, you can choose if you want to wish for the current character now or wait for their rerun, but regardless of when you wish for them, they are still new content. Now, the statement that 300$ is a maximum amount needed for a character is technically correct, but it comes with a lot of nuances. He always says that "exceptions don't make the rule", so why is he talking about the exception? Most people are already going to get around 10-12k premium currency for free from the patch, resulting in around 75 wishes and any premium currency saved until that point, but not only that, but most character pulls are not going to go until 180 wishes. This is why I say it's technically correct, but the realistic amount for MAJORITY of the player base is way below that. His statement is a massive edge case. And no, I am not a Tectone hater, I watch him every day on youtube, but I still have my opinions. Also, Skirk is hot af.
@snalickk yeah, him bringing up that inaccurate revenue chart etc was so freaken irritating. Everyone in the chat rolled their eyes when he did that because everyone knows revenue charts are estimations. They arent the truth. Glad everyone including fob called him out on that bs
1:07:16 Fob mispook and assumed Anata was using UE5 which has nothing to back up his claim; I think he was referring to Enfield which is using UE5 and not unity, Teccy got confused. I know I went a tech summit recently discussing game engines. Rare Fob L Edit: Fob was thinking NTE not Anata and got the two confused; NTE is using UE5 which is according to what he read was NTE blowing phones which is unfortunate as its gonna need to switch engines asap.
I also do that. Spend money to get the character if I'm lucky it's 180 if I'm unlucky it's close to 300. I use up all my earned sky stones for stamina refresh..... yes its bad I'm just impatient.
45:40 not necessarily. Smt like games basically have that mid match 51:44 Carlotta/Changli quick swap goes hard and is like 15-10% better than hyper carry 1:07:11 WuWa switched to ue5 too 1:13:05 None of those sources have any actual data beyond fractured numbers from stuff like iOS, meaning that absolute majority of WuWa player base (that is now on pc and ps5) is left out
This wasnt gacha cast , but WW cast vs Genshin shill :D , but it was kind of refreshing seeing some good points and negative points . Sekapoke said flaws and negatives with really great criticism and not like ,, uhhfhfi bad genshin , bad hoyo ,ughghggh . Personally i like it , you should do more content like this
I really like how teccy brought more new topics outside of the gacha sphere into the gacha cast. bringing more awareness of things that could slide as time passes so people can always go back and check, I also like the new faces on the gacha cast,. I would like them to talk a bit more 👏
8 banner system of hsr is easy to evaluate, just imagine the extreme conditions where all banners are always unlocked permanently, like all characters can be pulled everytime anytime, what would happen? If you can answer this easily then the 8 banners issue will be solved easily And side note the TV thing in ZZZ is so true, as a new player in 1.4, i did a lof of TV lame stuffs
Gonna be honest, I was half expecting another Gateoo vod before clicking on this.
Gayteoo
the memory flashed before my eyes...
thank god it isn't.
@@Shineigra i kinda wish it was that shit was so funny to watch LOL
@@kittysennpaii97 same lmao
@@proofreader5216"gaygay"
me and tectone are bad at geology
im so glad youre getting more attention now bro
You are doing great bestie
You where my first wuwa UA-camr and I been here since day one you are funny too
Gotta study your rocks lil bro 💀
Average American ever.
Thanks for letting me be apart of this! It's a shame Pokke and Aithoma talked so much though. Couldn't get a word in. /s
i tried to stop but i just couldnt smh
Solo 2.0
It’s crazy that Tec yapped the least this episode (nuclear misinformation)
letting me be a part*
@@kyouninja good catch im kinda dumb
bro didnt know what italy was 💀
the mythical lands people her about lmao like Atlantis or something. the water city
Lol, that's like those american memes
Should've just told him that's where the JoJo people lived and he would've understood
don't tell him about france
reminder than americans being ignorant about Geography is a cliché that exist because of real things like this lmao. Obviously they're not all like this.
Dont mind them but come on Americans, the world is big, look around a little bit.
It’s about time for a Gacha Cast. I love listening to their conversations and opinions about the game.
When i saw the title i thought bro was back for round 3 😭
Bro had some decent points but couldn't convey them at all. Maybe he isn't a native speaker? Dunno tbh
@@tabkg5802 he was a native idiot
Don't let this 2 hours distract you from the fact that tectone is BALD
Woah they almost got me thank you!!
bald man bald from genshin impact 🐇
I see 4 bald in chat.
WHAT!?!? NO WAY!!!!
and ww1 was in the 1800
kurobot insane aboba absolutely
go trying to pull carlotta again at least now u guaranteed banner character
glavekiyo my queen
Aboba
shh femboy 🤫🤫
Glaive, genuine question, who is in your profile pic, i know it's not you, is it an oc?
Tectone: what country is Italy in?
me an italian: 👁👄👁
ma ciao 👋
@Kunoy. ma hahahah
ciao bro
@@Hunter_17825 un italiano che segue tectone è la prima volta che mi capita ahahah , grande. WuWa sempre on top btw
@Kunoy. serio hahah, genshin hater qualificato (nonostante ci abbia anche speso abbastanza), viva wuwa.
@@Hunter_17825idem. ho giocato Genshin per 4 anni dal day one, e non ho avuto un minimo di esitazione dall'abbandonarlo nonostante i soldi e il tempo speso.
La gente dovrebbe fare lo stesso perchè esiste WuWa che è stata una manna dal cielo per quanto mi riguarda e ha migliorato ogni aspetto di Genshin (spoiler, sta continuando a migliorare)
però non lo fanno perchè purtroppo la maggior parte si sente spaventata all'idea di questo, cosa secondo me che non dovrebbe mai esistere perchè significa che sei legato al gioco in modo tossico ma ok
We need to normalize "Echo hunter" as our own "Mint picker" title.
Ironically it sounds so cool 😅
I always thought dewfetcher for dewvetch 😅
100% agree on having a skip button. There are people who play games just for the combat and there are people who play for both. Just give the option. I dont know why Genshin doesn't have it. It's stupid. I quit because of it. OR add a skip button with a summary of whats happening on what we're skipping.
Shhh. Keep quiet, Dawei might hear you and cry on another genshin livestream
Because other things suck in GI. So people who dont play for story gonna quit anyways, the dev dont want people to know about that.
CN people said because once the story is skipped, players realize that genshit has no merit.
Also its because Stingy Impact is stingy. Most people haven't done quest for years now. If the suddenly add skip button, everyone will have 300 pulls by skipping years of story. Their revenue will plummet and disappear from Sensor Tower PvP list.
Genshit will make farming pulls as miserable as possible so that people can't farm pulls and buy pulls instead.
@@PotatoCultivator i mean, atleast make it just for the new story only and going forward?
absolutely, genshit(and hsr too) story will become much more palatable, there is absolutely no reason for them to not have other than to keep players ingame for longer. Other games with much better story(and fucking vns too) have it
I actually really enjoyed having Seka in this gacha cast, especially cuz he doesn't play WuWa (or doesn't play much?) so him asking questions as an "outsider" and having that "outsider" view was cool to hear.
What Sekapoko was arguing at 2:16:00 really confuses me. He literally explained Tectones point. yes, the game has free currency that can pull the characters without spending any real money. Seka says that the math only adds up if you are pulling EVERY character.... The argument is about if a new character is content. for a new character to be considered content. YOU WOULD NEED TO BE PULLING EVERY CHARACTER, THATS THE WHOLE POINT. For a character to be considered content you need to get every single one every patch, and to do that, you have to spend money (or get insanely lucky which is extremely unrealistic, ESPECIALLY for newer players)
My head hurts on his argument.
Welkin moon + winning a few 50/50s and you can pretty much save and maintain enough rolls to pull every character that comes out. GIGA cope that new units arnt content
@@_keru that's the point. Not everyone can get the new character every patch which means that for THAT specific patch they don't have a "content" if you say that a new character is content. You can argue it's new content IF everyone gets the new character.
Hes arguing that most people do not spend 300$. Currencies are obtainable through various means and not just direct payment. Also 300$ is 90+90pulls aka max pulls for a character, you would be lying to say that is what most people go through.
Yes, teccy did say it was the "maximum" but how many players would you say go through this scenario? i would argue its less than 1% of the player base. Its very out of touch on teccy's side.
@@unplayyy Exactly most player base dont work specially in Asia side to which usually are broke and cant afford to spend any dime on game, that is the whole point that most people from west nissed out, cuz i shit you not living in asia part time job doesnt really exists and getting employed is hard cuz of economic and social variables
2:19:45 thats the point for what teccy was trying to say that *New characters does not equal new content* .. the genshin guy literally says it himself. Yes, for peoole who havent touched GI, its huge, but for those residents, the only "content" is the new characters which is definitely NOT new content
Characters are how you interact with the content. They aren't the content itself
We're arguing semantics at this point. But if I were to take your argument to its ideological endpoint than shadow of the erd tree isn't content for elden ring because why? It costs money? Not everyone can afford it? Then a new fighting character can't be considered new content in a fighting game for that same reason.
I say new characters are new content. Because it's a new thing in the game. Whether it costs money or not its quite literally a new thing in the game. There for its content
@@ACFaller I think with the amount of attention the new Characters get in terms of guides, not only in Genshin but also in every gacha game. Even for the CC's explaining how the new Character works and where and in which comps you can use them, i'd say it's actually pretty important content.
Unfortunately even though they do that, they wouldn't want to admit it.. But i fear that also comes from the woven narrative about Genshin having no content to further power it.
2:18:20 I think this whole argument was horribly explained. Here is why. The base point Tectone is arguing is that new characters are not content. The argument would then be countered by if the amount of primogems they allowed for each patch allowed you to get at least one copy of each character at maximum pity and 50/50 loss. This is not possible. Therefore characters are not content because every player would not have equal opportunity to get every character. *You can’t argue that something players are unable to get without spending money is content in a free to play game*
In a Gacha game new characters are absolutely content my bro. Endgames are made with new character in mind, same with events in that patch. This isn't just any free to play game this is a predatory Gacha game that wants you to spend money for pulls.
@@Calbee-m5u Well this gacha game in particular is the least prefatory gacha and most f2p friendly
Characters are only "content" if the source of motivation for playing the game is building up new characters. Yes, it's still technically content that you get them faster if you spend money. If you're F2P, you get them slowly and wait reruns for specific ones.
However, it is not content for players who plays the game for new stories, gameplays and maps. New characters are not content for them. This is why in gacha games where they do not sastify in actual content like those, if you stopped pulling characters like whatever reasons, you run out of motivation to play the game very quickly. It's because the actual content without gacha is bad.. You realised you are only motivated because of gacha characters, not the game anymore.
Yeah, but this setup means even Welkins are screwed. Under the old system if you didn't have enough for both you could buy a Welkin and know that the full value would have hit before the end of Citlali's banner. As it is...
No, characters in themselves are not content. They are a VEHICLE to experience said content. You're doing the content because you want to level these characters and play with them, and you're levelling them because you want to do content with them (hopefully). But if there's no content to do, then the characters are essentially useless, unless you only pull for them if they pretty, and that's dumb. (Disclaimer: I'm dumb for that specific reason.)
i uninstalled every gacha game i was addicted to in the beginning of December to ensure my new years resolution wouldn't be a failure. I will no longer be a slave. I owe you a lot for pointing out how predatory they are and changing my perspective on sunken cost fallacy to that the money was wasted immediately after it was spent.. Thank you Tectone!
Congratulations!
Just play indie games and support their creativity, if you can afford another $20-40
Next in list, to never buy $60+ games again
No more triple and quadruple A
Yakko moment
Play Poe 2
Its nice that WuWa has the skip button and I dont even use it lol. Now the lack of a skip button in Penacony tho was painful.
i use it only on my second accounts lol
Lol. Penacony alone kicks Wuwa into oblivion. Wuwa needs skip because it is garbage. Star Rail has actually good writing.
@@ChrisGrump what r u smoking?
@@ChrisGrump the guy just said he doesn't use the skip button in wuwa tho
Your head is looking extra shiny today!
1:13:28 On that note, for example, on game-i a website people often use to look at JP rankings and revenue. Carlotta's first day ranked #21 on ios and Camellya #9, but the site also reported that Carlotta made 85M Yen on the first day and Camellya 72.5M Yen in JP. Rankings can heavily vary depending on what's also going on with other apps at the time.
I haven't watched Sekapoko since 7ds grand cross days, hopefully he's doing great :)
We need Gateoo back here
You mean Gaytae
If you bring him, bring in the popcorn
ToF rep
@@ytkeijin8056 So tru
There would honestly be no point. He wouldn't talk. He would contribute nothing to the discussion. He'd just occasionally giggle or say uh huh.
After playing through 2.0 wuwa and 1.4 zzz, both of them exceeded my expectations through the roof. I'm excited to see their progress going forward in the future.
I liked that i can press C now to lock echoes instead of dragging my mouse across screen
I love Seka’s debates, makes the discussion interesting
Ain't no way Teccy said "What country is Italy in?"💀💀
i was acc stunned LMAO
But where is my boy gateoo with his intense talking skill of laughing every 2 seconds.
THIS IS 100% GOING TO EFFECT EITHER GAME IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER!!
Poke was just trying to rizz chat the entire time lmao
One complaint for wuwa. It's the transition when the characters are speaking in English. If you have the dialog on auto. The character would finish speaking before the animation finish. Not sure if it's the same in othe languages. It is very emersion braking because there is a pause before the next line us said due to the game trying to finish the scene animation. If they fix this I think the story telling would be much better than it is now
Only the 1 minute gang knows that the original title is "We talked about the future of gacha games"
29:20 Skip button is important for me especially for long yapping like Aventurine quest on HSR, that quest is successfully make my phone overheat and get bootloop because im auto dialog it (because the story is fkin boring for me), also if my internet suddenly cutoff, the story will begin from the beginning,
So that why im really suffering and can't go to latest content because "hoyo yapping simulator"
also i think being able to skip doesnt really mean the game is bad like what they talked abt in the video, its just nice to have an option for ppl who dont rlly care for the story or sum, a skip button is always nice to have, especially for phone users like you explained
51:10, regarding wuwa's powercreep status. "How is Changli compared to new 2.0 characters?". Shortest answer from me would be: Changli can be way stronger or way weaker. No powercreep pattern as of now.
Longer answer would be that this is a difficult question as there are a lot of factors involved. The most major would be Changli is more of a quickswap than a hypercarry. And that Changli's power scales off the user's skill level.
From a particular discord's link to a google doc documenting speedruns and the team's clear time (S0R1 Limited, up to S2R2 Standard. Times shown are for current ToA's level 100 Thundering Memphis.)
Current Changli SPEEDRUN S0R1 is 26s in a team with Jinhsi and Shorekeeper quickswap.
Current Carlotta SPEEDRUN S0R1 is 44s in a team with Zhezhi and Shorekeeper hypercarry.
A STANDARD character, Encore (S1R1) SPEEDRUN is 32s in a team with Sanhua and Shorekeeper.
Yes, Speedruns are not that relatable for casuals, but it shows the known DPS ceiling for some characters and teams.
Changli Jinhsi is quickswap, insane amount of skill needed. Carlotta Zhezhi is hypercarry, and the gameplay is very "linear". Not much skill needed.
So my answer would be: Changli is better if you have godly skills, other hypercarry DPS is better and pretty much "close to each other" if you are casual. No powercreep pattern as of yet.
20:15 Don't let people forget that Tectone thought WWII was in 1800s.
2:16:11 ppl really do not understand math lol. Max cost means no optimization at all. So mathematically, it costs approximately 300 USD for the THEORETICAL maximum to guarantee 1 unit. This mean going all the way to 90 pity twice (or whatever the hard cap on pity despite the change of hitting it being so close to 0)
Yes we all understand the point. Seke's point is that it's irrelevant to anyone that plays the game on a regular basis. No one is paying 300$ for a single copy unless you want every character. So whats the point of shouting 300$ at Genshin. It's the same in every gacha if you're playing that way.
What's $300 X 50/50 ? $150 per character. Tectone assumes a 50/50 chance means you loose every time. That's not 50/50. Because you also win 50% of the time. And we aslo have free currency that gives us 100 pulls per patch on average. He has such an L take.
@@utilae1 Nah. That 150$ is roughly the AVERAGE price. Tectone said MAX price to get a character you want is 300$. I agree that calculating the cost of character using max price is not the best way to do it but that's not what he argued here.
@@Figs-e5l I'm not sure what he's arguing, but he only brought up "max" as a defense. He said $300 for every character initially. But either way, any idea of using his max price is stupid. Having played HSR since the start, I've never ever hit higher then 81 pulls for a character. It makes me think the odds of hitting pity between 81-90 is very low. So my worst case is 81 X2 = 162 pulls.
@@Figs-e5l But like this 300$ argument only makes sense if you 1. Only roll for the character with real money and 2. Literally do nothing else in the game. I really don't get his crash out, and it was kinda embarrassing. All people are saying is his made up scenario never happens unless you are rolling for constellations.
Water-Town in Italy absolutely killed me oh my Lord
This baldie is kinda funny ngl
You've heard of "I thought WWII was in 1800s", now get ready for "What country is Italy in?"
After 'that' stream, Everytime anyone says "sure", my brain immediately goes "uh huh" 😭
This was the best Gacha Cast so far, glad everyone spoke up pretty much
The worst part about having the dual banner in genshin last the entire patch is that was actually leaked it would be, but they changed it in early december,
That same leak also said the same thing for HSR 3.0,
Leak was unreliable but i was so sure it was true,
I got both without spending because i did exactly what sekapoko said, i skipped multiple banners in a row so i could ensure archon,
i also follow banner and chareter leaks to plan ahead to make sure i get who i want,
Just barely managed to get both while taking a minor wound in my wallet of 20$. That's with winning first 50:50 and failing second and getting early and also saving since end of Fontaine.
I was very lucky, getting Mavuika and Citlali and after few tens even Mavuika's weapon. Right now i'm testing my luck to wether i also get the weapon of Citlali because she's best Natlan Character.
P.S i was at Character guaranteed at about 60 to get mavuika, lost early 50/50 and then got Citlali with 70 pulls that i kept for Mavuika by skipping the other characters.
I just wanna say it takes quite a lot for me to sub to someone. The last few days you been a gold mine in entertainment. You have my sub. Keep it up my guy, love ya.
I fully watched until the end last night, it was so entertaining af.
Eastern viewer here🙌🏻
The average group chat experience fr
We need Saintontas, Atsu, Envy, Doro, Zyox, and Zajeff on this podcast ngl... It will be wild!
I’d love Zajef on gacha cast but sadly Tectone and his community would flame him wayyyyyyy too much 😔
If people hated Seka’s yapping then Zy0x would be even worse lol.
@stormer2349 Zajef and tech must talk prior adding him to the podcast to prep both communities not to mess around
@@pauljoseph3081 Hmmmm I doubt they’d come to some sort of truce tbh.
Tec has thrown some pretty serious stuff at Zaj, and he hasn’t exactly shied away from him.
42:10 Tec’s lawyer is punching air, bro is NOT helping his allegation with his ex. 😭🙏
1:38:00 just because something is a culture doesnt mean its good or justified. We need to stop putting cultures on a pedestal and saying "well actaully its a culture so that why 🤓🤓"
i think that they mean that BECAUSE its in their culture, its very hard to stray away from it since its the norm there (not saying it ok)
regarding a skip button in genshin, i want that so bad. I forgot to do main story quest to unlock the companion quest rewards for the rewards so i had a few hours to go through 6-7 hrs of content so i skimmed through the story and i managed to finish the companion quest watching all the cutscenes, 10 mins after the rewards disappeared so i didnt get those rewards.
tectone, you are great
27:47 the only thing i wanna add about skip button implementation, it should not be too invasive on the UI. Better yet hidden unless you skip 2 dialogues in quick succession.
For example as much as i wanna sit through the entire wuwa story, the skip button keeps distracting me and teasing me to click it no matter how much i enjoy the story
2:36:05 100% agree zzz and wuwa have been cooking
Very cool to have them all together, well done
I like the skip button but it can be a little bit dangerous for the devs since they want the players to experience the story to promote the new characters.
I want a skip button in genshin and honkai because new events are time limited and locked behind story quests, and having to sit through hundreds and hundreds of hours of ceaseless yapping causes me a shitload of anxiety
so real omg
The whole argument "they can't make harder content" for Genshin because it would instant kill you is stupid.
They have a custom build Unity engine, the funds, resources and man power to change the game. If they can add 3D maneuverability in Natlan's waters, add characters and Pokemons that go beyond the base gameplay, then they can rework the Dodge Mechanic as well.
genshin just makes their enemies have 1 billion hp and say ''we made it harder'' like bro, you just made the game more misserable
gaetoo malding in his stream title is SO fucking funny i can't
Don't let baldness of Tectone distract you from the fact, that this was great episod... WAIT, something doesn't work!
36:46 - some of the best words for describing Genshin EVER
this content is pretty chill, getting a drink and some popcorn make this shit peak
ikr, i always have the gachacast in the bc while playing games lol
20:17 Italy itself is a country which is in the continent europe
yeah but again, ppl not living in europe dont know allot abt countries and continents (ehem, americans) xD
@Teah0325 guess that's the fault of school sgeldue for teaching. I had continents and countries in school, even I gorgot about the most of it already
@@erxd02 yeah deff the fault of schooling, in the netherlands its even mandatory to learn all the countries in europe
@Teah0325 I'm from Germany and we had the USA states once too. But I can't tell which there r anymore except of a few we'll know, but these without their location tho.
@@erxd02 oh yeah we had usa states as well! but we dont focus on usa, mostly europe haha so i dont know usa that well either
01:44:56 Genshin's new banner change = you lost at most 45 pulls when pulling the two banners,
which is about half a character,
which have less effect on F2P players, more on the players who would spend money.
(Losing 45 pulls isn't likely to effect whether F2P players would get a character,
but it would cost people money if people are going to spend money on pulls.)
I hope they keep up with the random cutscene encounter in future regions. Seriously like when the cutscene with the knights popped up i thought i was gonna watch those two duke it out but no they went 180 and went after me
genshin having to save multiple patch for archon in order to not be affected by the double banner
meanwhile in wuwa: player having missed 2 limited character out of 8 so far while failing every 50/50 possible. also have 5 limited weapon... with an avg roll of 70 for character and 60 for weapon
yes that was possible with month pass. no discount spent. idk... genshin generous i guess
crazy how saint ain't the yapper this time he's just in there mogging and looksmaxxing
Guys if you have a good phone you can play wuwa for 4 hours before it can become a heater
that dragon hologram is about to shit stomp eveyrone when it comes out ngl
Please make another channel for these vids or name them appropriately, I LOVE THIS CONTENT!!! And I don’t want to miss it !
20:32 onward was the embodiment of [Several People are typing...]
been playin with custom-made WuWa thiccness mods since the start pretty much lol, the chars look so damn fine rn
HSR powercreep needs to be adressed more
Zzz 1.4 and Wuwa 2.0 = Complete cinema 🙌
Bro trying to put zzz in wuwa tier 😂
@@WaveRider7777 yes whats the problem? - both exceded their playerbase expectations wuwa did better but it was whole relaunch meanwhile zzz had sub relauch which is why wuwa did it better lol in a different calibre but not that much
@@WaveRider7777there patches were equally as good as each other imo and liking your own comment is hilarious to look at😂
@WaveRider7777 just because you dont play zzz doesn't make it bad lil bro😂 bro is the number 1 kurobot
@@WaveRider7777 It is
really insightful. 1:53:36 was pretty funny. 2:13:13 - 2:19:17 I have no idea what sekapoko was arguing about. other than that great gacha cast.
He was arguing that the average player isn't going to be at the point where they are going to spend the absolute max of $300 - due to free currency in the patch, past unspent currency, and the currency you acquire from pulling that you can buy more pulls with. Therefor, there's no point in arguing about this hypothetical maximum. Others in the call also agreed that the $300 cost is "unrealistic" for the average player. Sekapoko was simply trying to give a more reasonable estimated number, but Teccy wouldn't let him.
@@lynayra6492 but that doesn't matter becuase no one was talking about the average. The MAX is $300. That part is ridiculous because either you bite the bullet and spend it or grind to where you wouldn't have to worry about it.
@@skittlecornnation4323tectone is either arguing the maximum that you have to spend is 300,🎉 which isn't true because seko is correct there's free currency in the game guaranteeing you wouldn't HAVE to spend that maximum. Or that the maximum you CAN spend is 300 to guarantee a character which is true but who cares. He even brings up the argument that he and many others would not play a game and just log into to drop 300 on the new character and log off. Like okay? What is even the point of the argument at all at that point? Characters aren't new content because they cost money? Well then shadow of the erdtree isn't content for elden ring because that costs money too. Fighting game characters aren't content in fighting games because it costs money lmao. Tectones argument is inherently flawed here
@@skittlecornnation4323 Both points were valid and correct.
1:41:45 - i kinda wish they kept going, lol. it was interesting to listen to
fr
they might as well add a skip button since there are gonna be basically no voices in it
OMG ITS ELLY I WATCH her for The first Descendant stuff i was so out of the loop when i saw her youtube had vanished no matter how much i tried to find her again i was worried
1:34 bro thinks he's L
Wuwa 2.0 had show the potential of a gacha open world game if the dev are dedicated they can bring a whole new game experience and with the huge revenue they generate and low investment development it's was just fair the player wanted a quality in every patch, genshin fail to develop their game for 4 years their to predatory focus, and the next new gacha game that's will release will add more variety.
The best and most consistent series to ever exist
Dont let this video distract you from the fact that Tectone said "What country is Italy in?"
dude tectone streams are like tiktok reels it so entertaining i cannot watch anything else
All game is a story, but not all story is a game. If a game cannot tell a story, no matter how vague, even its world, its just a simulation.
If I was doing viewer pulls, I'm not taking account for bro not being lucky and potentially financially inept
What Sekka was trying to say is that while the 300$ for the character thing IS TRUE, realistically majority of people are not gonna spend that much on a single banner BECAUSE they have at least some in-game currency already, also not everyone is loaded with money to even spend on games PLUS some people can't even spend money on genshin cuz they're kids and their parents won't allow them lmao, it's mostly kids playing genshin. So while the 300$ thing is true, realistically for 90% of people it won't come to that
The thing i really hate about hsr is the amount of 5 star characters you need to make a good fun team
Thanks Genshin for advertising Wuwa, 'preciate it pal.
6:58 The MC being silent and hitting those autistic pose during some of the multi-option dialogue in cutscenes is what bugged me the most, like I'm super immersive into the story, hooked with the voice acting but then the conversation pan to our MC and they just hit the proud pose while the sound completely cut off, it need to change.
Exactly, why this not get addressed more. It’s so lame, watching MC ruining all immersion of the story, which was pretty solid for beginning of new region
2:13:30 Ok, first of all, new characters are 100% considered new content. What Tectone should be saying is that they should not be considered accessible content. Using his logic, new archon story that gets released in the patch wouldn't be considered new content, since any new or returning player will not be able to experience it right away. When a new character comes to the game, you can choose if you want to wish for the current character now or wait for their rerun, but regardless of when you wish for them, they are still new content.
Now, the statement that 300$ is a maximum amount needed for a character is technically correct, but it comes with a lot of nuances. He always says that "exceptions don't make the rule", so why is he talking about the exception? Most people are already going to get around 10-12k premium currency for free from the patch, resulting in around 75 wishes and any premium currency saved until that point, but not only that, but most character pulls are not going to go until 180 wishes. This is why I say it's technically correct, but the realistic amount for MAJORITY of the player base is way below that. His statement is a massive edge case.
And no, I am not a Tectone hater, I watch him every day on youtube, but I still have my opinions. Also, Skirk is hot af.
$300 is only 150 pulls. Not even enough for guarantee
Sekapoko yapping way too much tbh, didnt let anyone else speak.
Genshin CCs reflect their game man
ain't hear this name since prime 7 deadly sins 😔
@@hungang2040 I dunno about that. There's a fine line
Idk about "not letting others to speak" but yea he yapped a lot
@snalickk yeah, him bringing up that inaccurate revenue chart etc was so freaken irritating. Everyone in the chat rolled their eyes when he did that because everyone knows revenue charts are estimations. They arent the truth. Glad everyone including fob called him out on that bs
Tectone we need to talk
1:07:16 Fob mispook and assumed Anata was using UE5 which has nothing to back up his claim; I think he was referring to Enfield which is using UE5 and not unity, Teccy got confused. I know I went a tech summit recently discussing game engines. Rare Fob L
Edit: Fob was thinking NTE not Anata and got the two confused; NTE is using UE5 which is according to what he read was NTE blowing phones which is unfortunate as its gonna need to switch engines asap.
where’s that one guy who kept yapping?
New bald man video lets goooooo
I am just happy there was a Xenoblade reference at one point. Feel like still more people need to play that game
I also do that. Spend money to get the character if I'm lucky it's 180 if I'm unlucky it's close to 300. I use up all my earned sky stones for stamina refresh..... yes its bad I'm just impatient.
45:40 not necessarily. Smt like games basically have that mid match
51:44 Carlotta/Changli quick swap goes hard and is like 15-10% better than hyper carry
1:07:11 WuWa switched to ue5 too
1:13:05 None of those sources have any actual data beyond fractured numbers from stuff like iOS, meaning that absolute majority of WuWa player base (that is now on pc and ps5) is left out
Wuwa switched to ue5? Really? Where did u read
I started on PS5 and played everything without problems just for enjoy the actual game progress and improvement
someone said "is saint in a prison" and i fucking lold for 10 mins 28:17
For a sec I thought it's a sequel to the 4 hour video
This wasnt gacha cast , but WW cast vs Genshin shill :D , but it was kind of refreshing seeing some good points and negative points . Sekapoke said flaws and negatives with really great criticism and not like ,, uhhfhfi bad genshin , bad hoyo ,ughghggh . Personally i like it , you should do more content like this
I really like how teccy brought more new topics outside of the gacha sphere into the gacha cast.
bringing more awareness of things that could slide as time passes so people can always go back and check, I also like the new faces on the gacha cast,. I would like them to talk a bit more 👏
8 banner system of hsr is easy to evaluate, just imagine the extreme conditions where all banners are always unlocked permanently, like all characters can be pulled everytime anytime, what would happen? If you can answer this easily then the 8 banners issue will be solved easily
And side note the TV thing in ZZZ is so true, as a new player in 1.4, i did a lof of TV lame stuffs
I would enjoy an episode with ketteithe7th as a guest host.