No, cuz if the nuggets don’t improve as a team, there will be many who will use it as an excuse not to give it to him. Many don’t want him having 4 mvps.
MJ has been #1 in PER and BPM since he retired. He stayed ahead of lebron throughout Lebrons career and Lebron only made it to #2 all time in both those stats. Until Jokic came and took the #1 spot in both, pushing MJ down to #2 and Lebron to #3.
It is insane. LeBron and Jordan was far ahead everybody for so many time. Jokic literally took over almost every freaking advanced stats. In 6-7 he is first ever. In 5-6 he is top 5-10. By only advanced stats --he is best player ever. He needs 2 more rings to be third best player ever. 3 rings and 4 MVP ies would be insane in modern era where we have so many superstars competition.
I dont know what do you want more ? Scoring , rebounds , passing and then you also want hof defense like broo ? For me the reason he is top 5 of all time is because he dominates against the best defenders in nba put any dpoy in nba history he will make him look like a average defender , we need to look at things also sometimes different , Gobert is 4 dpoy so he is a bad defender because Jokić eats him every game ? Davis is a bad defender because Jokić puts a triple double every time they play ? Its does not work like that bro !
@@01mentnever made defensive selection or played elite DPOY caliber defence. He’s in middle of pack on defence. Rebounding and steals are not good indicator of elite defence it requires the eye test looking past cherry picked analytics
@@dewman7477 Who cares anyway? Compared to what he is doing overall, mentioning his defense at this point is just a slander. No one is watching basketball because of defense.
He is not "arguably" the best big man passer ever. There is no argument for any other big. He is only "arguably" the best passer ever, because Magic probably beats him. No one else. Not nash, not Stockton, no one.
@dns4060for smart and skill there are plenty of brilliant ballers in the NBA but Magic, Jokic, and LeBron have the advantage of those long arms and extra strength to throw extra fast passes and up and over most anyone. Jokic is effectively a better passer than Nash, though Nash is that extra level slick beyond even Jokic.
I just had this thought. Don't know if I am right but, Jokic is like Wilt. The game seemed easy to them, and they both had other interests. Both seem to get an asterisk beside their accomplishments regardless of how dominant.
not exactly... wilt's edge was his incredible physical dominance over other humans of that era, that's not jokic at all, in fact i could make the argument he is athletically inferior in many ways... but his skill and his BRAIN is what separates him from all else... he operates mentally on a whole different plain from everyone else... wilt operated on a whole different physical plain from all others... they are actually OPPOSITES if you think about it
By the end of his career jokic will be known as the g.o.a.t. im 47 and have never seen a person dominate the nba like this since jordan. Jokic is basically larry bird with the footwork of hakeem the dream.
No MJ and LeBron and Kareem are always better than Jokic because they played way better defence to compliment their elite offence. Jokic defence is keeping him away from winning more against 50+ win teams and dynasties that LeBron faced in 2010s decade and defence wins championships not offence.
@dewman7477 wow! You don't watch him play much huh? I'm willing to bet you're one of those "teens" I see committing crimes on the news every night. Judging by your best player picks
@@dewman7477 honestly, I agree. If jokic had good defense, he'd win the title every year. But having only 1 title with a bunch of regular season awards isn't enough to be the goat. I think you're right that defense is what's holding him back
@@dewman7477 His defence is not that bad I don't know why people say that he averages 13.6 rebounds and 1.8 steals a game. Plus he reads the enemy offense so so well and often knows the plays the offense is running (ua-cam.com/video/YwCc6km-gdc/v-deo.html). Saying he is bad at defense is unreasonable.
I know Lebron has many records in the book. but Jokic has record title that is hard to broke too, like fastest TD, 2k/1k/500 company(1st in history),30/20/10 record owns 3 of 5 playoff record. 3rd in TD in history(will be 1st by margin the time he retired). Chance to a 10k reb, 10k assist too. I don't include the advance stats bec. He already many of those
I saw another commenter mention what would Wilt Chamberlain think of Jokic. Wilt basically has his own section in the record books but Jokic is catching up 👀
Doesn't Jokić also have those perfect-scores games where he didn't miss a single shot and had no turnovers? He's the only one to even break those records!
Jokic should win his 4th MVP this year because he is the team. He plays an all-around game. He doesn't jack up threes like the rest of the league missing majority looking like the wnba... Nikola plays old school basketball.
This is the reason why NBA fans aren't as active in social media today. Its getting harder for them to argue that Jokic is not the GOAT or Jokic is not better than Embid, AD or LBJ. Clearly Jokic is in a different level and the fans need someone to go against him or defeat him.
The real culprit is the NBAs team structures and constant free agencies players leaving teams. Teams can't stay together. Nuggets had a great team but the team has been chipped apart. Then you have these aprons that affect trading for new players.
wilt would tell you exactly in which ways he was superior to jokic... that's the kind of person he was... if you are expecting a glowing recommendation you can forget it
Murray can't be traded until the offseason. You don't bench and completely alienate a guy who just signed a max extension - the team is stuck with Murray for now, for better or worse. He's not really the problem, though - Jokic + Murray and no Westbrook still have a +13 net rating, which is great - the biggest issue so far is actually the rest of the bench. Hopefully things will keep getting better on that regard and Murray will get out of his mental slump as the season continues.
so long as Joker is on the team, they have a chance for the title... I just wish that the from office would bring down the level of difficulty it will be by getting him some real help. Westbrook has been amazing, but they need to get some consistency in the shooting.
Westbrooks On/Off is -21 currently. Aaron Gordon is +12 for comparison and Jokic is +27. I find this narrative that Westbrook is helping Denver or should start just odd. He shouldn't play at all.
Could you manage how many points he get if he got the same whistle that a Embiid/Giannis gets. Nobody in the league gets pound on more then Jokic and just a few whistles. Malone does not have the balls to bring Murray off the bench. You are right I start Westbrook for sure from what my eye's see. Murray just might get right coming off the bench. When fresh he like to hog the ball so let him with the 2nd unit.
I think at this point we are witnessing something the NBA has never seen before, like every other 5 hours. And it's always some super weird stat line like "first player ever to get 25 rebounds, 13 points and 9.5 assists in a game, during groundhog day, while skipping rope at halftime" smh 🙄
"Arguably the greatest big man passer in the history of the league", can we stop this, any big man you ever thought was passing this good you simply are misremembering. You are remembering one or two of those good passes and not remembering every time U and the player didnt notice a pass and didn't make it. If you don't think jokic is one of the best passers ever full stop. You don't understand how passing or offence works. Jokic is right there with bird and magic.
IF jamal can get his stuff together then they're contenders if not i dont see it cuz rn jamal is a cone on defense and a negative on offense with him in the game its 5v4 while a ''washed'' russ is 4-1 as a starter but unfortunately for him hes paid a minimum and jamals a max so no matter what either of them do the nuggets have to start jamall....calvin boothe has fumbled the management in every way possible yet he gets to be called a champion off of what tim conlley had done previously
All these Jordan fanboys in the comment section are the same ones who would use the argument of Jordan has more rings then lebron but won’t apply the same logic here
Idk how my comment got on here I commented on a post someone made asking who’s better Lebron or bird lol. But bron over Jokic anyday. Jokic has potential to be in the discussion one day though
And to the administrative office y'all don't think that he's going to get tired of carrying your team on his back that's your team not his he's just part of the team but aren't you a little leery that he is going to get tired of carrying your team on his back he's putting up all these steps and have no help I don't understand why Jamal Murray is not playing his best game after signing a 200 million damn contract job paying him much too much money his money his salary needs to go down did he going to be playing like that and then pay him how he played that's what you should do because he was pretty good but now since he didn't want his championship I don't know if jealousy to set in because of your kid's name is being broadcast or what cuz that's how people do of colored they get jealous so y'all need to either get rid of your mama because Joker can't continue to do that by himself he's only one man not a machine that's my opinion my opinion on what I see on this court y'all paying Jamal Murray all this money and he don't even have to show up and then nothing done about it not a darn thing only thing is commentator is just constantly talk about how bad he plays how bad he is this and how bad what is the administrative office is planning on doing
Just from this video you can clearly see how much obvious fauls are not call on Jokić! I mean he get hit left and right,over both hands from two players,over head and still nothing! It's ridiculous and frustrating to watch!You can call those nonsense that Trae Young,Harden,embid, Luka, Lebron do but you can't call those obvious all over the place hit's! If they start to call at least 30-40% of those clear foul's Jokić would average around 38ppg! That is probably the reason why they don't want to call fault's on him...they afraid his number would be unbearable for them!
Jokic is a wonderful player, who is revolutionizing the game. But Wilt Chamberlain AVERAGED fifty ppg. for an entire season. And that is with no three point shot. In his younger seasons he played forty eight minutes a game nearly every night. He lead the NBA in assists one year. He got twenty or more rebounds nearly every game. He could jump and touch the top of the backboard! He never fouled out of an NBA game! Joker is a wonderful player! Chamberlain was a superhuman athlete!
This type of play honestly doesn’t impress me, it’s inflated stats for a team that stopped working after a super lucky championship. barely winning games against terrible teams and losing to the worst team of all time..
Stat padders lose efficiency in the “padding” process. Making decisions that impact their stats versus just playing the game which leads to said inefficiencies. Yet Jokic is the most efficient player in the game. Are you saying he is that much better than what he is showing but is playing worse because he is focusing on stat padding?
Ok guys good player yes I get it. But I'd rather pay to watch a showman play, his game is dull, no style no pace or speed no none othat. I'd rather watch Giannis play, Ja play, Kyrie or so many others. Ot hurts my eyes watching this chubby bastard play 😢 sorry not so much 😂
Is Jokic winning his 4th MVP this season inevitable?
It should have been 5th and everybody knows it.
No, cuz if the nuggets don’t improve as a team, there will be many who will use it as an excuse not to give it to him. Many don’t want him having 4 mvps.
No if ok wins 66 games he should get it. Unless jokic averages a triple double
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Jokić is at a level that the players who guard him no longer feel humiliated - they feel privileged to get owned by him.
Yes, the last time this happened was 30 years ago, when MJ was around.
MJ has been #1 in PER and BPM since he retired. He stayed ahead of lebron throughout Lebrons career and Lebron only made it to #2 all time in both those stats. Until Jokic came and took the #1 spot in both, pushing MJ down to #2 and Lebron to #3.
It is insane. LeBron and Jordan was far ahead everybody for so many time. Jokic literally took over almost every freaking advanced stats. In 6-7 he is first ever. In 5-6 he is top 5-10. By only advanced stats --he is best player ever. He needs 2 more rings to be third best player ever. 3 rings and 4 MVP ies would be insane in modern era where we have so many superstars competition.
And he surpasses Jordan in both play off and regular season in per. He isn't even 30 years of age yet. And he surpassed him in box +/- and winshares
:in playoff George Mika is ahead Lebron James what is scary about Jokić he can rise Level up in next 5-6 years in regural season and playoff
At this point, Jokic is forever MVP, and an actual award is for everyone else not named Jokic to compete for.
Love Jokic, his defense will keep him away from all GOAT conversationd
@dns4060 He is currently sixth in steals, while defensive rebounding was never in question.
I dont know what do you want more ? Scoring , rebounds , passing and then you also want hof defense like broo ? For me the reason he is top 5 of all time is because he dominates against the best defenders in nba put any dpoy in nba history he will make him look like a average defender , we need to look at things also sometimes different , Gobert is 4 dpoy so he is a bad defender because Jokić eats him every game ? Davis is a bad defender because Jokić puts a triple double every time they play ? Its does not work like that bro !
@@01mentnever made defensive selection or played elite DPOY caliber defence. He’s in middle of pack on defence. Rebounding and steals are not good indicator of elite defence it requires the eye test looking past cherry picked analytics
@@dewman7477 Who cares anyway? Compared to what he is doing overall, mentioning his defense at this point is just a slander. No one is watching basketball because of defense.
He is not "arguably" the best big man passer ever. There is no argument for any other big. He is only "arguably" the best passer ever, because Magic probably beats him. No one else. Not nash, not Stockton, no one.
Relax on that part. He is a great passer, one of the best. There are couple of players being better passers tho. Get off your bias.
@dns4060 I'm from Michigan and love in Arizona. The only bias I really have is because I love how good he is at basketball.
@dns4060 Who are those couple players?
i don't think magic was better... in fact, bird was better as a passer than magic... and i think kidd might have been in magic's ball park too...
@dns4060for smart and skill there are plenty of brilliant ballers in the NBA but Magic, Jokic, and LeBron have the advantage of those long arms and extra strength to throw extra fast passes and up and over most anyone. Jokic is effectively a better passer than Nash, though Nash is that extra level slick beyond even Jokic.
LeBron’s Dad
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And maybe carry
For 38-40 year old LeBron but before that not even close
Grown man btw
Yeah a 90 year old LeBron 😂😂😂
I actually think that he's on his way to the greatest nba season ever.
I just had this thought. Don't know if I am right but, Jokic is like Wilt. The game seemed easy to them, and they both had other interests. Both seem to get an asterisk beside their accomplishments regardless of how dominant.
not exactly... wilt's edge was his incredible physical dominance over other humans of that era, that's not jokic at all, in fact i could make the argument he is athletically inferior in many ways... but his skill and his BRAIN is what separates him from all else... he operates mentally on a whole different plain from everyone else... wilt operated on a whole different physical plain from all others... they are actually OPPOSITES if you think about it
In today's boring robotic 3point shootouts NBA, following Joker's standout performances is what keeps me interested, he's legitimately fascinating
I hear ya!
Luca, too
By the end of his career jokic will be known as the g.o.a.t. im 47 and have never seen a person dominate the nba like this since jordan. Jokic is basically larry bird with the footwork of hakeem the dream.
No MJ and LeBron and Kareem are always better than Jokic because they played way better defence to compliment their elite offence. Jokic defence is keeping him away from winning more against 50+ win teams and dynasties that LeBron faced in 2010s decade and defence wins championships not offence.
@dewman7477 wow! You don't watch him play much huh? I'm willing to bet you're one of those "teens" I see committing crimes on the news every night. Judging by your best player picks
@@dewman7477 honestly, I agree. If jokic had good defense, he'd win the title every year. But having only 1 title with a bunch of regular season awards isn't enough to be the goat. I think you're right that defense is what's holding him back
@@dewman7477 His defence is not that bad I don't know why people say that he averages 13.6 rebounds and 1.8 steals a game. Plus he reads the enemy offense so so well and often knows the plays the offense is running (ua-cam.com/video/YwCc6km-gdc/v-deo.html). Saying he is bad at defense is unreasonable.
@@MrE_ Yeah that is my point. Basketball is a two way sport this is not like American football where quarterback does not have to play defence
I know Lebron has many records in the book. but Jokic has record title that is hard to broke too, like fastest TD, 2k/1k/500 company(1st in history),30/20/10 record owns 3 of 5 playoff record. 3rd in TD in history(will be 1st by margin the time he retired). Chance to a 10k reb, 10k assist too. I don't include the advance stats bec. He already many of those
I saw another commenter mention what would Wilt Chamberlain think of Jokic. Wilt basically has his own section in the record books but Jokic is catching up 👀
@@basketballreachin 2050, we would be saying "never been done since Chamberlain and Jokic"
WILT, bro
Doesn't Jokić also have those perfect-scores games where he didn't miss a single shot and had no turnovers? He's the only one to even break those records!
@@amjan:11/13 TD with 0 Turnovers and 30 point TD
Jokic should win his 4th MVP this year because he is the team. He plays an all-around game. He doesn't jack up threes like the rest of the league missing majority looking like the wnba... Nikola plays old school basketball.
This is the reason why NBA fans aren't as active in social media today. Its getting harder for them to argue that Jokic is not the GOAT or Jokic is not better than Embid, AD or LBJ. Clearly Jokic is in a different level and the fans need someone to go against him or defeat him.
Jokic > Lebron
Nuggets need to prove that they deserve having a generational talent. So far, they haven't.
The real culprit is the NBAs team structures and constant free agencies players leaving teams. Teams can't stay together. Nuggets had a great team but the team has been chipped apart. Then you have these aprons that affect trading for new players.
Would love to hear Wilt's opinion on the Joker.
Fr he wouldn’t know what to think 😅
There is no Wilt but you can hear Kobe alerting NBA of Jokić
wilt would tell you exactly in which ways he was superior to jokic... that's the kind of person he was... if you are expecting a glowing recommendation you can forget it
@@notimportant3686 I know that..that is why I want to hear it. "He's a wonderful young man, plays the game the right way but........"
I think Russ should start over Jamal. Trade him to the wizards or something
Murray can't be traded until the offseason. You don't bench and completely alienate a guy who just signed a max extension - the team is stuck with Murray for now, for better or worse. He's not really the problem, though - Jokic + Murray and no Westbrook still have a +13 net rating, which is great - the biggest issue so far is actually the rest of the bench. Hopefully things will keep getting better on that regard and Murray will get out of his mental slump as the season continues.
he's a genius
He is killer combo of Bird,Magic and Hakeem. That's unstoppable in todays basketball.
so long as Joker is on the team, they have a chance for the title... I just wish that the from office would bring down the level of difficulty it will be by getting him some real help. Westbrook has been amazing, but they need to get some consistency in the shooting.
Lmao the first father-son NBA game was Nuggets Vs Lakers Jokic-Lebron 😮😂😂😂
agree. Russ is a beast
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That floater at 6:45 by Jokic is what’s missing from Tatum’s game.
Jokic G.O.A.T !!
He's not ARGUABLY the best big man passer ever. That was settled years ago. He's a top 3 passer ever imo. Magic, Nash, and him.
Besides Curry, Jokic now knows how to make three-point layup too😂
This year should be his fifth MVP rewards
Westbrooks On/Off is -21 currently. Aaron Gordon is +12 for comparison and Jokic is +27. I find this narrative that Westbrook is helping Denver or should start just odd. He shouldn't play at all.
Could you manage how many points he get if he got the same whistle that a Embiid/Giannis gets. Nobody in the league gets pound on more then Jokic and just a few whistles. Malone does not have the balls to bring Murray off the bench. You are right I start Westbrook for sure from what my eye's see. Murray just might get right coming off the bench. When fresh he like to hog the ball so let him with the 2nd unit.
I wanna know how he gets better every year but I never seen him practicing in the off season
JOKIC > MJ, Wilt, Kareem and so on...
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Denver doesn't have offense problem, it has defense problem.
Within 24 hours he scored 104,30 bounds,16 dimes 😅
Theres a difference between making records and breaking them.
Bill Walton is the greatest big man passer
I think at this point we are witnessing something the NBA has never seen before, like every other 5 hours. And it's always some super weird stat line like "first player ever to get 25 rebounds, 13 points and 9.5 assists in a game, during groundhog day, while skipping rope at halftime" smh 🙄
consider most ball transfer through him, add on assistant, you may say barely all score by him.
And yet it feels he is in Third Gear..
So much comes down to threes nowadays.
Very true
"Arguably the greatest big man passer in the history of the league", can we stop this, any big man you ever thought was passing this good you simply are misremembering. You are remembering one or two of those good passes and not remembering every time U and the player didnt notice a pass and didn't make it. If you don't think jokic is one of the best passers ever full stop. You don't understand how passing or offence works.
Jokic is right there with bird and magic.
THIS IS not even his first sport,horse racing is
Ovo mu je posao😊
Doubt he’s a jockey.😅
IF jamal can get his stuff together then they're contenders if not i dont see it cuz rn jamal is a cone on defense and a negative on offense with him in the game its 5v4 while a ''washed'' russ is 4-1 as a starter but unfortunately for him hes paid a minimum and jamals a max so no matter what either of them do the nuggets have to start jamall....calvin boothe has fumbled the management in every way possible yet he gets to be called a champion off of what tim conlley had done previously
Doesnt matter if they are 7th. 7th can beat 2nd any day. Those standings dont matter in playoffs. Weve seen it before.
Joker 🤜🤛 wess BEST 🎉🎉🎉
depends who they play in the playoffs
All these Jordan fanboys in the comment section are the same ones who would use the argument of Jordan has more rings then lebron but won’t apply the same logic here
Jordan got better individual accomplishments collective accomplishment avg stat advanced stat higher peak and prime than LeBron
But yeah you’re right jokic isn’t better than lebron those guy glazing
Idk how my comment got on here I commented on a post someone made asking who’s better Lebron or bird lol. But bron over Jokic anyday. Jokic has potential to be in the discussion one day though
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And to the administrative office y'all don't think that he's going to get tired of carrying your team on his back that's your team not his he's just part of the team but aren't you a little leery that he is going to get tired of carrying your team on his back he's putting up all these steps and have no help I don't understand why Jamal Murray is not playing his best game after signing a 200 million damn contract job paying him much too much money his money his salary needs to go down did he going to be playing like that and then pay him how he played that's what you should do because he was pretty good but now since he didn't want his championship I don't know if jealousy to set in because of your kid's name is being broadcast or what cuz that's how people do of colored they get jealous so y'all need to either get rid of your mama because Joker can't continue to do that by himself he's only one man not a machine that's my opinion my opinion on what I see on this court y'all paying Jamal Murray all this money and he don't even have to show up and then nothing done about it not a darn thing only thing is commentator is just constantly talk about how bad he plays how bad he is this and how bad what is the administrative office is planning on doing
Just from this video you can clearly see how much obvious fauls are not call on Jokić! I mean he get hit left and right,over both hands from two players,over head and still nothing! It's ridiculous and frustrating to watch!You can call those nonsense that Trae Young,Harden,embid, Luka, Lebron do but you can't call those obvious all over the place hit's!
If they start to call at least 30-40% of those clear foul's Jokić would average around 38ppg!
That is probably the reason why they don't want to call fault's on him...they afraid his number would be unbearable for them!
Jokic is a wonderful player, who is revolutionizing the game. But Wilt Chamberlain AVERAGED fifty ppg. for an entire season. And that is with no three point shot. In his younger seasons he played forty eight minutes a game nearly every night. He lead the NBA in assists one year. He got twenty or more rebounds nearly every game. He could jump and touch the top of the backboard! He never fouled out of an NBA game!
Joker is a wonderful player! Chamberlain was a superhuman athlete!
Jokic getting glazed for losing against the 16 straight losing wizards lmao
Nikola Jokic is , BY FAR, the best passer of all time.
This type of play honestly doesn’t impress me, it’s inflated stats for a team that stopped working after a super lucky championship. barely winning games against terrible teams and losing to the worst team of all time..
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Omg a stat padder that won one ring. Guarantee he won’t see another ring in his career. Last year Denver was tho “best” team now this teams “bad” lol
Stat padders lose efficiency in the “padding” process. Making decisions that impact their stats versus just playing the game which leads to said inefficiencies. Yet Jokic is the most efficient player in the game. Are you saying he is that much better than what he is showing but is playing worse because he is focusing on stat padding?
Horrible take lmao. Look at his team they suck
@@jl4018Most efficient player of all time bro. That said advanced stats.
Resist Resist!
@@gnielsen07no they don't stop this excuse. You only use it for convenience and don't give Luka or Shai the same benefit
Ok guys good player yes I get it. But I'd rather pay to watch a showman play, his game is dull, no style no pace or speed no none othat. I'd rather watch Giannis play, Ja play, Kyrie or so many others. Ot hurts my eyes watching this chubby bastard play 😢 sorry not so much 😂