Why on Earth Samantha filmmakers like e.g "The Convent" 2018 do not consult videos like yours and jump one or two centuries ahead beats me!!!!.....keep up the educational work
This vide is great! I had a big trouble to really visualize how those clothing elements work together-until I watched this. Thank you very much indeed!
I was wondering if the linen shirt that was used as an undergarment was also what one slept in or was there separate sleep clothes? Love all of your videos 💕
I ask this in all sincerity: Is there any information about how people in this period used outhouses with this kind of clothing? If one had to sit, it seems like one would need to either un-point one's doublet or else take it off and let it hang from the breeches, which would then be around one's ankles. The former sounds impractical because it seems like it would be very difficult to re-point oneself back together, but the latter seems like it would leave one's doublet dusty at best. Is there any information on this?
Probably the best information available is that of various illustrations and engravings from the 15th, 16th and 17th century which actually shows both unpointing the doublet from the breeches or taking off the doublet and letting it hang from the waist of the breeches. As a personal thought about the awkwardness of re-tying the doublet and breeches back together after the call of nature, if it is what you know, all you know and you have grown up with such things, it probably isn't all that awkward. And while the second option might leave one's doublet in the dust, I think that most folks were a little less fussy than we are -- BUT -- its honestly not any different for those today that wear boilersuits, overalls, coveralls, or jumpsuits.
If you check out the show "The Tudor Monastery Farm" Peter comments that he has got used to visiting the outhouse before tying himself together every morning.
I wear this kind of clothing for Larp events, so i have some practical experience with it. Generally i find it easiest to just undress and only wear the shirt to go to the toilet. Since its long it covers everything. Ideally you plan ahead so when i visit day long events i try to get everything done beforehand. However i get now why we often see shirts peeking through at the waist in many 17th century paintings, especially by Vrancx, they just didnt tie their breeches to the doublet or only at the sides just enough to keep the breeches up because if they had some issues with digestion, something that wouldve been quite common on the march, you wouldnt want to go through the hassle of undressing. Also the hooks and eyes that became popular later make sense here, they would be much easier.
Thank you for all your work! I really appreciate your research, historical accuracy and careful explanations. Can you recommend sources for patterns for 17th c menswear? I've been working on several items and basically have to draft things from scratch. Any help or advice appreciated!
If you are not familiar with these books, they may be a good place to start -- Patterns of Fashion, The cut and construction of clothes for men and women 1560-1620 By Janet Arnold The Tudor Tailor, Reconstructing sixteenth-century dress by Ninya Mikhaila and Jane Malcolm-Davies 17th-Century Men's Dress Patterns 1600-1630 by Melanie Braun, Luca Castigliolo, Susan North, Claire Thornton, Jenny Tiramani
so interesting! The clothes seem to be medieval, but not medieval. It turns out that I did not know at all how they dressed in the early 17th century. Thank you very much for the video. You are both very nice.
I wonder if anything is known about how many sets of clothing the average person would have at that time. And how ragged would someone allow their clothing to get before they throw it out (or make it into rags, or whatever)?
You might find this video useful - ua-cam.com/video/CyqUg5TJmRI/v-deo.html The video covers recommended clothing for Virginia and the costs. The amount of clothing that individuals have will depend on their economic status, plus there were sumptuary laws that regulated clothing as well - what articles of clothing one was required to have, not allowed to have or what materials clothing articles were permitted to be made from, based on social class. Plus there was well established trade in the buying and selling of second hand clothing. A popular number seems to be three suits of clothes, while shirts tended to be more common. The ideal being that outer garments should not need to be laundered very often, while shirts worn against the body should be laundered regularly.
Were the old simple medieval style cloaks still being worn for cold and wet weather or had they been completely replaced by the cassocks shown in the video?
Thanks for the question! Maybe? We wish we could give a more definitive answer. From paintings and engravings, we can see that short hair is probably most common. Hair appears to be as short as off the ears and collar, to as long as over the ears and reaching to the collar. There are portraits of men with long hair, as a display of fashion and of wealth with all the expenses that comes with the styling of long hair. At the late-16th century and early 17th century there is also the rise of the fashionable love lock and much commentary written against the love lock and that it was a style created an influenced by those men returning from the New World and that love lock was a fashion copied from the indigenous peoples. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovelock_(hair) And this is our problem, much of the art that serves as primary sources are of men of the noble or gentry classes. There are very few portraits of men of the common classes.
Great video! What about shoes in rain or winter? The holes in the shoes would get the socks wet and the wearer cold I suppose. Another question is about doing hard manual labor a very warm day. Is it possible to skip the doublet without dropping your pants? Or did you work in only your shirt? Cheers!
Thanks for the questions. Yes, laborers could take of their doublets without dropping their breeches. The garments were laced together, but the breeches were snug enough that they would stay up without being laced to the doublet. We do like this painting -- upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Sebastiaan_Vrancx_-_Harvest_-_WGA25383.jpg It shows agricultural labor in their shirts and waistcoats and without stockings. You may also enjoy this video about the Farrar Papers and what they said about clothing purchased for Virginia -- ua-cam.com/video/PZZPS6W0PpU/v-deo.html When not laboring workers would again put on their outer garments On the topic of shoes, we tend to use latchet shoes because they are commonly reproduced and easy to purchase for our staff but there were several common styles of shoes available during the period.
@@JYFMuseums Thank you for your quick answer. Much appreciated! The picture tells the story just perfect! One more question, living in Sweden I know all about the Ice age and I wonder if they had anything over their stockings during winter?
On particularly cold days there was nothing to stop a person from wearing an extra pair of stockings, especially heavy Irish stockings over another pair of stockings. Brian covers some of the other clothing items in this video -- ua-cam.com/video/CyqUg5TJmRI/v-deo.html
From my own experience wearing these kind of shoes and clothing, the shoes arent that bad in bad weather or winter. You will need wool stockings of course and they will get dirty but thats about it. Unless you step into puddles its not bad. During winter the woolen stockings keep you warm aswell, never had any issues with them. One thing i do however is i always wear thinner linen or cotton stockings underneath for comfort and so i can wash those everytime while i wash the wool stockings less often, similar to the shirt that gets washed while the doublet and breeches rarely get washed.
Not much difference really. Hose would be the older word for the outer garments on the lower part of the body, breeches would be the newer word. Although do consider the context, hose could be referring to a style of breeches such as these trunk hose -- www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/26925 -- or the trunk hose in this Sir Walter Raleigh portrait -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hose_(clothing)#/media/File:WalterRaleighandson.jpg -- but stockings were also at times referred to as hose.
Oh We'd have to disagree. Clearly after 64 years frozen in a block of ice, Adam Adamant would have lost any fashion sense. And we hear that The Face claims better fashion. 😂🤣😅
Peter Henlein of Nuremberg generally receives credit for creating the watch in the early 16th century. But these watches were rare, very expensive, and fashionable among the nobility that could afford them and the watch tended to be worn as a pendent. It was not until the late-17th century and the reign of King Charles II that the pocket watch as we know it would begin to take shape and until the 19th century the pocket watch continued to be an expensive luxury item. It is highly unlikely that an Englishman as portrayed in this video could ever have afforded the cost of a watch.
@TheOttomanEmpire could your clarify your question? What about house clocks, clock towers, or sundials? In what context? Continuing with the theme of personal or small time keeping pieces, the Jamestown Rediscovery Project has excavated the fragments of at least four diptych dials, apparently discarded about 1610. A diptych dial is a sundial compass used to keep time. Check out this link about diptychs from Jamestowne Rediscovery -- historicjamestowne.org/collections/artifacts/diptych-dial/
@TheOttomanEmpire There was no clock tower in early 17th century Virginia and for time keeping the archeological evidence for the diptych dial is the strongest evidence available.
Why on Earth Samantha filmmakers like e.g "The Convent" 2018 do not consult videos like yours and jump one or two centuries ahead beats me!!!!.....keep up the educational work
Mostly due to historical revisionism. Remember, behind every movie there's a message being said
This vide is great! I had a big trouble to really visualize how those clothing elements work together-until I watched this. Thank you very much indeed!
Thank you for this video! This is very useful for me as art reference
I was wondering if the linen shirt that was used as an undergarment was also what one slept in or was there separate sleep clothes? Love all of your videos 💕
Most people slept in the same linen shirts they wore as undergarments during the day. And thank you!
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I ask this in all sincerity: Is there any information about how people in this period used outhouses with this kind of clothing? If one had to sit, it seems like one would need to either un-point one's doublet or else take it off and let it hang from the breeches, which would then be around one's ankles. The former sounds impractical because it seems like it would be very difficult to re-point oneself back together, but the latter seems like it would leave one's doublet dusty at best. Is there any information on this?
Probably the best information available is that of various illustrations and engravings from the 15th, 16th and 17th century which actually shows both unpointing the doublet from the breeches or taking off the doublet and letting it hang from the waist of the breeches.
As a personal thought about the awkwardness of re-tying the doublet and breeches back together after the call of nature, if it is what you know, all you know and you have grown up with such things, it probably isn't all that awkward. And while the second option might leave one's doublet in the dust, I think that most folks were a little less fussy than we are -- BUT -- its honestly not any different for those today that wear boilersuits, overalls, coveralls, or jumpsuits.
If you check out the show "The Tudor Monastery Farm" Peter comments that he has got used to visiting the outhouse before tying himself together every morning.
I wear this kind of clothing for Larp events, so i have some practical experience with it. Generally i find it easiest to just undress and only wear the shirt to go to the toilet. Since its long it covers everything. Ideally you plan ahead so when i visit day long events i try to get everything done beforehand. However i get now why we often see shirts peeking through at the waist in many 17th century paintings, especially by Vrancx, they just didnt tie their breeches to the doublet or only at the sides just enough to keep the breeches up because if they had some issues with digestion, something that wouldve been quite common on the march, you wouldnt want to go through the hassle of undressing. Also the hooks and eyes that became popular later make sense here, they would be much easier.
Thank you for all your work! I really appreciate your research, historical accuracy and careful explanations. Can you recommend sources for patterns for 17th c menswear? I've been working on several items and basically have to draft things from scratch. Any help or advice appreciated!
If you are not familiar with these books, they may be a good place to start --
Patterns of Fashion, The cut and construction of clothes for men and women 1560-1620
By Janet Arnold
The Tudor Tailor, Reconstructing sixteenth-century dress
by Ninya Mikhaila and Jane Malcolm-Davies
17th-Century Men's Dress Patterns 1600-1630
by Melanie Braun, Luca Castigliolo, Susan North, Claire Thornton, Jenny Tiramani
@@JYFMuseums thank you! I have the Tudor Tailor and am familiar with Janet Arnold's book but did not know of the third one. Very helpful.
Hey Samantha! What a pleasant surprise to see you here!
so interesting! The clothes seem to be medieval, but not medieval. It turns out that I did not know at all how they dressed in the early 17th century. Thank you very much for the video. You are both very nice.
Cool video
Wonderful work
Thank you!
I wonder if anything is known about how many sets of clothing the average person would have at that time. And how ragged would someone allow their clothing to get before they throw it out (or make it into rags, or whatever)?
You might find this video useful -
ua-cam.com/video/CyqUg5TJmRI/v-deo.html
The video covers recommended clothing for Virginia and the costs.
The amount of clothing that individuals have will depend on their economic status, plus there were sumptuary laws that regulated clothing as well - what articles of clothing one was required to have, not allowed to have or what materials clothing articles were permitted to be made from, based on social class. Plus there was well established trade in the buying and selling of second hand clothing.
A popular number seems to be three suits of clothes, while shirts tended to be more common. The ideal being that outer garments should not need to be laundered very often, while shirts worn against the body should be laundered regularly.
Were the old simple medieval style cloaks still being worn for cold and wet weather or had they been completely replaced by the cassocks shown in the video?
Sure, capes and cloaks were still common along with cassocks and mandilions.
I noticed his hair was tied back behind his head. Was that done in that era?
Thanks for the question! Maybe? We wish we could give a more definitive answer. From paintings and engravings, we can see that short hair is probably most common. Hair appears to be as short as off the ears and collar, to as long as over the ears and reaching to the collar. There are portraits of men with long hair, as a display of fashion and of wealth with all the expenses that comes with the styling of long hair. At the late-16th century and early 17th century there is also the rise of the fashionable love lock and much commentary written against the love lock and that it was a style created an influenced by those men returning from the New World and that love lock was a fashion copied from the indigenous peoples. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovelock_(hair)
And this is our problem, much of the art that serves as primary sources are of men of the noble or gentry classes. There are very few portraits of men of the common classes.
Great video! What about shoes in rain or winter? The holes in the shoes would get the socks wet and the wearer cold I suppose. Another question is about doing hard manual labor a very warm day. Is it possible to skip the doublet without dropping your pants? Or did you work in only your shirt? Cheers!
Thanks for the questions. Yes, laborers could take of their doublets without dropping their breeches. The garments were laced together, but the breeches were snug enough that they would stay up without being laced to the doublet. We do like this painting -- upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Sebastiaan_Vrancx_-_Harvest_-_WGA25383.jpg
It shows agricultural labor in their shirts and waistcoats and without stockings.
You may also enjoy this video about the Farrar Papers and what they said about clothing purchased for Virginia -- ua-cam.com/video/PZZPS6W0PpU/v-deo.html
When not laboring workers would again put on their outer garments
On the topic of shoes, we tend to use latchet shoes because they are commonly reproduced and easy to purchase for our staff but there were several common styles of shoes available during the period.
@@JYFMuseums Thank you for your quick answer. Much appreciated! The picture tells the story just perfect! One more question, living in Sweden I know all about the Ice age and I wonder if they had anything over their stockings during winter?
On particularly cold days there was nothing to stop a person from wearing an extra pair of stockings, especially heavy Irish stockings over another pair of stockings. Brian covers some of the other clothing items in this video -- ua-cam.com/video/CyqUg5TJmRI/v-deo.html
From my own experience wearing these kind of shoes and clothing, the shoes arent that bad in bad weather or winter. You will need wool stockings of course and they will get dirty but thats about it. Unless you step into puddles its not bad. During winter the woolen stockings keep you warm aswell, never had any issues with them. One thing i do however is i always wear thinner linen or cotton stockings underneath for comfort and so i can wash those everytime while i wash the wool stockings less often, similar to the shirt that gets washed while the doublet and breeches rarely get washed.
What's the difference between breeches and hose or are they just the same thing?
Not much difference really. Hose would be the older word for the outer garments on the lower part of the body, breeches would be the newer word. Although do consider the context, hose could be referring to a style of breeches such as these trunk hose -- www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/26925 -- or the trunk hose in this Sir Walter Raleigh portrait -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hose_(clothing)#/media/File:WalterRaleighandson.jpg -- but stockings were also at times referred to as hose.
@@JYFMuseums When and why did hose seperate into two different pieces of clothing? Was it because tunics got shorter and died off?
Wrong all us Brits dressed like Adam adamant at that time
Oh We'd have to disagree. Clearly after 64 years frozen in a block of ice, Adam Adamant would have lost any fashion sense. And we hear that The Face claims better fashion. 😂🤣😅
@@JYFMuseums yeah Adam adamant was a stylish dresser and a proper English gentleman
@James vloc Other Stuff But Edmund, Lord Blackadder was an even more stylish dresser and no mere gentleman but a proper English nobleman. 😂🤣
What about a pocket watch?
Peter Henlein of Nuremberg generally receives credit for creating the watch in the early 16th century. But these watches were rare, very expensive, and fashionable among the nobility that could afford them and the watch tended to be worn as a pendent. It was not until the late-17th century and the reign of King Charles II that the pocket watch as we know it would begin to take shape and until the 19th century the pocket watch continued to be an expensive luxury item. It is highly unlikely that an Englishman as portrayed in this video could ever have afforded the cost of a watch.
@@JYFMuseums what about a house clock or a clock tower or sundial?
@TheOttomanEmpire could your clarify your question? What about house clocks, clock towers, or sundials? In what context? Continuing with the theme of personal or small time keeping pieces, the Jamestown Rediscovery Project has excavated the fragments of at least four diptych dials, apparently discarded about 1610. A diptych dial is a sundial compass used to keep time. Check out this link about diptychs from Jamestowne Rediscovery -- historicjamestowne.org/collections/artifacts/diptych-dial/
@@JYFMuseums I was just wondering if maybe there was a village sundial or maybe a clock tower built near there
@TheOttomanEmpire There was no clock tower in early 17th century Virginia and for time keeping the archeological evidence for the diptych dial is the strongest evidence available.