Yes, in Bible college during a Theology of Worship class I learned a very important question about this (churches being “relevant” to the surrounding culture), in regards to being a worship pastor: “Are we tailoring the Gospel to the culture or the culture to the Gospel?
Your mom gave a perfect example of exegesis v. eisegesis. Well done on her. We are supposed to change how we live to align w/ the bible. We don't change the bible to align w/ how we live. I was born and raised a confessional Lutheran. My mom always told us, "Be a christian Lutheran. Not a Lutheran christian". Sadly, there are some people out there who mistakenly put their denomination above their christianity and claim that's the way God Himself set it up. I would respectfully disagree.
The bible is good but for true happiness and salvation it's by following the Church, attending mass regularly, recieving communion and going to confession often.
I was baptized Catholic and went to church regularly as a child. My father’s side of the family is Protestant ( Baptist ) as well as many of my friends growing up who are born again. They’ve always invited me to service on Sundays and I’ve given them a chance many times but I never felt I was in Gods presence as I felt in a Catholic Church. Besides I always felt that Protestant style churches always turn into fashion shows , popularity politics and people up in each others business. I’m a firm believer in shutting up , getting on your knees and looking forward at the symbol of our lords sacrifice to humanity when we pray.
How do you define “real Protestant churches”? Protestant beliefs are so widespread that there is almost no defining feature between them all, not even the belief in Jesus’ death and resurrection. And, Protestants have no authority to draw from to define beliefs. Look up the No True Scotsman fallacy. The Catholic Church gets its authority from Jesus himself who established it in Peter and the apostles, and can clearly define her beliefs.
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My protestant church abhors the disgusting electric rock band music of non-denominational, free form non catholics (they shouldn't be called protestant in my view).
@jebsmith323 I was about to say the same thing. The orthodox Presbyterian church is a much more robust denomination in its teachings than these seeker friendly churchs.
She is aware and in the full video there is more nuance to this. However this is UA-cam, and 'all' Protestants are the same ie - Rock concerts and Hill Songs. The reality is of course not this for most Protestants.
For real bro she is basing all her statements of contemporary music. She needs to go to a real baptist church there is none of that. Going to church is not about the music it’s about the intention
I am aware of this, too. Even if you change your songs to hymns, it doesn't matter. It's still a bunch of fluff that caters to you. You prefer a more old fashioned church service? That church is over there. Do you prefer a newer version? That church is over there. It doesn't matter. You are not actually worshipping God in either direction.
@BrandonBui-jh6yf yeah, I went there too. It's the same stuff but with hymns. It doesn't matter. You still aren't worshipping the Lord in either case.
The Protestant church is not exclusively (or even mostly or a plurality) nondenominational and/or megachurch, which is what her concerns focus on. I would imagine if she gave a high church/liturgical Protestant church a try, her experience would be much the opposite from what she described.
The Episcopal Church is so random. The closest is Orthodoxy, but it's not Protestant. Even the Orthodox churches don't have consistent teachings and often disagree on what should be dogma. The traditions and continuity of the Catholic Church is unmatched. The reverence and order is only imitated and never replicated by even liturgical Protestant churches.
But real Protestant churches (not these megachurches) like the Presbyterian church teaches sound doctrine and actually encourages people to read the Bible for themselves. The Pope doesn't want their church to read the Bible for themselves. If the parishioners did, then they'll find out that they've been lied to their entire lives. I don't want this young woman to be lied to as well. Also, Catholicism has changed the groupings of the 10 Commandments so that they can worship the Virgin Mary and other Biblical figures other than Jesus. Also, where is the passage in the Bible that supports confession? Orthodoxy also is not true Christianity because, like the Catholics, they make things more about the flashy traditions made up by men rather than about worshipping Jesus. Most protestant churches are not megachurches. However, I do understand that many of these churches have already started going woke and that's one of the many problems which the Protestant church has to fix, but it doesn't mean that the church can't reverse the number that's been done on them. Nevertheless, just because this young woman is not able to understand the truth of the Bible, it doesn't mean she's correct by going to Catholicism. She clearly not interested in knowing the truth. The truth is not dependent on her opinion. She's hiding from the truth. I pray that God would help her to see the error of her going to Catholicism, an idolatrous religion of works. I pray that God would help her believe in the truth of Jesus Christ so that she would be truly saved and that she might want to try a proper Protestant church.
No need to attend a church with the teachings of Martin luther and his man-made religion. Why go to a church established only 500 years ago when christ clearly established his church on Peter more than 2000 years ago? Christ said "I will build MY church on this rock and the gates of hades will not prevail". Understand? Jesus said he will build HIS church not the church of Martin Luther or the wide variety of Protestant denominational churches scattered throughout town! Jesus said the devil will never destroy HIS church, so where were all these protestant churches 1000 or 1500 years ago if they are the true church of Christ?
@@papasfritas6071the churches described had their own leadership and only had apostles to guide them. When they died there was no command to put 1 man in charge of the body of Christ as we already have one Jesus
Preach sister. I left the Baptist church for the True Church and I’ve never been happier and more at peace with my relationship with Christ. 🕊️❤️ Praise God
Really? I think Catholicism is more of a threat to your relationship with Jesus. Especially since Baptists (like other Protestants) believe that a relationship with Jesus is imperative. If you commit mortal sins, you must confess them or you will not get to heaven. And most sins, according to Catholic theology, are mortal. Venial sins are mostly accidents.
@@frankwm1988 yes really. The book of James tells you to confess your sins to your church leaders. Catholics believe in a personal relationship with Jesus that pushes them to good works ! I know how the joy of the spirit! My Baptist family lives in gossip and personal hatred for everyone who’s not them! That’s not the Gospel of Jesus Christ my friend. Come home to the First Church that Jesus established with the 12 Apostles. Prayers for you ❤️🕊️
Remember, the fair Europeans, namely, English, Scottish, Dutch, many Germans, Scandinavians, etc. went Protestant and are highly blessed. Foul Europeans: Micks, Wops, Polacks, French, Spaniards, and Portuguese hate Protestants and are defiant to the Gospel. If they weren’t, they would also be Protestant and not drink of the papist Kool-Aid.
@@tylerkessler4021 do you pray to Saints and Jesus’s mother Mary or no? If the answer isn’t a simple, no, then I don’t think the Catholic Church is leading you in the right direction.
@@tylerkessler4021Which Church are you talking about? The one in Jerusalem?Or the other like in Ephesus or Pergamos or Sardis or Thyatira? But if you are talking about the whole congregation of believers in Christ, then the Bible itself is the proof that false teachings have been creeping in even before all the apostles were dead and there was division among members picking their own teacher. Paul had to correct them they are all servents of the Lord Jesus Christ and all are equal. Paul was the one who greatly spread Christianity among Gentiles after Jews rejected Christ. The Bible doesn't tell Peter having authority over other apostles or believers. Peter was even rebuked by Paul for being hypocrite. The Bible doesn't tell succession of Christ on the earth. Obviously, Catholicim has different interpretation. But Jesus clearly said not to call anyone on earth teacher for there is only one teacher Holy Spirit. And not to call anyone on earth Father for there is only one Father in Heaven. Yet, Catholicim teaches only the Pope has the authority to interpret the Bible. And the Priests are called Father. The Pope is the Father, the Son and the teacher. Only that the Bible doesn't tell that. And Catholicism is not even sola scriptura.
"I don't need the church to tell me what to believe I can read the Bible myself" - 16th century seeker sensitive church sermon. Protestantism has always been seeker sensitive.
Sorry, kind of have to agree with the lady... It's almost all protestant churches. From the hymns that repeatedly mention "me" to the sermons that teach about my healing. To a holy communion that's shared in horrible little plastic wrapping by the congregation, to the individual feeling sorry for their sins or sharing fellowship with Others. Even great teaching that nurtures...my understanding. That challenges...me. That honours Christ ... is still received by me. Yes, this is good but the epistemic starting point is...me or the congregation, my faith and reception of the word by the congregation. Contrast the mass, where the liturgy, the role of the priest, the choir or altar servers and the administration of the bread and wine shift the dynamic. Even if there's no one there to hear, no congregation, no individual congregant to reflect... the celebration of the Eucharist is still the most powerful act of worship to God, for it is Christ's supernatural offering to His Beloved father of Himself. So, suddenly the congregant is incidental and at best a partaker and no longer the focus. This is why we Protestants can't receive Catholic or Orthodox communion. For 95% of us the Lord's Supper is just our remembrance and our proclamation of what Jesus has done as commanded by Jesus. But for the Catholics, Orthodox and theoretically Anglicans and Lutherans (who go sadly wobbly on thus)...it is this and more. The ordained priest, in the person of Christ, through the Holy Spirit "re-performs" (not really the word I want) his own sacrifice, his own obedience to His Heavenly Father. Remember when Jesus met the Samaritan woman at the well. Jesus linked perfect worship with his coming, his presence, in spirit and truth, that originates from Jesus himself, drawing life giving waters from His well of eternal life. It is a model of the mass: instantiated by Christ, performed by Christ, offering up Christ, from Christ that "may" be received by the one who comes close. It's why ordained ministry is actually important because in the mass, the priest disappears and the person of Christ shines through, opening a portal, if you will, that connects that singular moment on the cross and the fulfilment of all scripture, through time and space (think the mount of transfiguration) to the here and now. Opening that well, drawing that water, proclaiming His conquest over sin in the body and blood, until He comes again. I was sitting in my conservative evangelical (Brethren) church partaking in holy communion, whilst I was reading 1 Corinthians 11 as the officiant in this "non-liturgical" church" (following the same patterns and order of service it always did) was quoting verse 28 from that chapter but for some reason ignored verse 29. Suddenly, in that moment I realised I couldn't partake of Holy Communion there anymore and started my journey towards the aforementioned understanding. And as I travelled this path, like the lady above I have come to a similar belief and sense of incompleteness every time I go to a protestant church, which I still do near enough every Sunday. But I now attend the catholic mass more eagerly although I can't receive im there to witness.
👆Faaaacts! For every cringy jumbo concert church, there’s a dozen tiny, sincere traditional Protestant churches just quietly doing their thing. -your friendly neighborhood Lutheran
@@HREIII not trying to make you an Anglican at all. I actually believe that Roman Catholics are my fellow Christian brethren. I just wish the sentiment would be returned. 🤷♂️
I’m Southern Baptist in Kentucky and I assure you that our Church Service is not at all like a Rock Concert. There won’t be denominations in Heaven. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Noone comes to the Father (Abba God) except through Him. 💗🙏🕊️
The last thing she said is the ultimate truth. As Catholics we should know that we are there to worship Christ and to be in awe of his mercy not to be entertained or blown away by the speakers. I myself took a similar journey to come back home to the One True Church Jesus came to establish. When I began my RCIA class I was still very much defiant and combative about the church. I basically was lovingly tormented by the Holy Spirit to go through the program and even gained the deacon’s personal attention and he became my spiritual director and still is my most strongest alley in my faith. On the day of my confirmation when they were going to anoint me, I was in line and I told my Godfather and I quote “ I don’t think I can do this” He then replied to me as I was physically backing away “ where the hell do you think your going? I’m 6’ tall and he’s about 5’2” and he grabbed me by the arm and I swear I couldn’t budge him an inch. He literally dragged me up to the altar and turned me in. I have never been more happy in my walk of faith since.
God Bless you but the Catholic Church has fallen away from God. Even the Pope said a few weeks ago that God has only made one mistake and I have it here in my hand. He went on to say I take it with me at all times! It had something to do with Satan. I turned it off because for one thing God doesn't and never will make a mistake. I am Christian and I have seen the sick bad deeds the Catholic church tried to hide for years and years. God Bless you but I have been too a Catholic Church and I couldn't understand anything at all from the Father or whomever speaks.
@@Mamabearmama2 I really hope you find his address. As for Mary, the rosary and the intercession of the saints, I look at it this way, if you want to, do it . If you don’t then don’t. What I understand through life experiences is that she can literally be the one thing that helps you get through. Let’s say you asked your dad for a certain thing or permission to do something. Dad’s not budging so what do you do? You go to your mom who has all of your dad’s attention. Now add Christ into the mix. He is obedient to his mother so he will come to the father if you will. As long as your prayer is pure you expedite your request. If not you can do it the other way too….
@@fu2974 I genuinely do not want to rip the bandage off again going through anything with my ex husband. He was disloyal and caught many times by me texting other women and telling them he didn’t have a wife when asked. I forgave him 3 times until I left finally. Now I’m married to a wonderful man who is the father to my two boys. I absolutely do NOT want to communicate with that guy. Ever. Way too much trauma. I cried in front of the priest when he kept insisting. That is something that makes me weary.
@@fu2974 as for Catholicism, I made that previous comment before I finally delved into some stuff about my biggest questions about the religion. I genuinely want to come back. But again, I cannot and I refuse to seek out a man with bad blood in our history. Absolutely not. I forgive him, but absolutely not.
My Protestant Church is a small building with about 40 people that all sing praise to God with one person on piano, SOMETIMES they add an acoustic guitar. Followed by the preacher reading straight from the Bible and explaining the context of the text and how it applies to us today. Followed by more singing and praise and finished off with people asking for prayers or praise for things in their lives. Never been to a church that she went to.
You part of the protastant churches in less than 500 years time the protastant church has fractured into over 40,000 churches and there is no single agreement on interpretation of the Bible's passages. This should bother you...
@@danwenner1906 it does and doesn't. Even in the bible while the disciples split up and went City to City teaching the word of God they would come across cities that another disciple had already been to and they would hear arguments of. I follow this disciple and I follow this disciple. They tried to clean it up by saying stop saying which disciple you follow. We all follow Christ. It's the same today. Some people follow one person's interpretation others follow another interpretation. But everyone is following Christ unless they have another prophet such as Jehovah's witness, Muslim, Mormon. Each Church has its own little differences that aren't going to keep anyone from getting to heaven or from doing their best to follow. What they believe is God's word, except those who blatantly follow a prophet that is not in the Bible. My best guess as to why there are so many denominations and God allows Such a thing is because everyone's at a different spot in their journey and not everyone can handle God wants of us. So he has churches for every person with a bar that they can reach. It's nothing new considering he allowed the Jewish people to do some things that he didn't want them to, but he knew setting the bar too high wouldn't get anyone to follow him. He meets people where they are and always has. He sits the bar high enough to make them after reach but not so high they can't reach and give up.
@@michaelknapp677 I'm sorry Michael I disagree. If that were true then arynism, gnostism, to name a few are just as legit teachings. Why does Paul teach about those who do not follow what the Apostles taught? Why does John teach this as well? Your basically saying conterdictive teachings in the different denominations is ok even though the Holy Spirit is God and the Bible is clear God does not lead by confusion. The Apostles did not teach counterdictive teachings. Just different areas as the church was developing its teachings against new arguments. The Bible shows this when Barnabus took Paul straight to Peter that there was a leader and an order. It's why after a period of time after they met Peter gave Paul his right arm in a sign of authority to teach to the Gentiles. It's why Paul called the first council of Jerusalem to fighting off the gentiles having to get nipped down under. It was Peter that called it and no one questioned after his announcement like they questioned Paul and then James wrote up the decree and sent it out. The church leadership always had to deal with new questions It's why they had councils. It's how the dealt with multiple fake Apostles and false teachings. (Paul talks about it in 2Thes). John talks about in 2John. 1jn 10:16, the church shall be one fold, one Shepard. Eph 4,3-6, one lord one FAITH, one baptism... Rom 16, 17, avoid those who create dissension There are many more references. Checkup those the Apostles taught, names are in the Bible just like Luke and Mark both taught by the Apostles. See if what you believe holds water. These guys were taught by the Apostles for up to 40yrs. Polycarp, clement if rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Barnbas... just a few. NewAdvent.org, catholic.com
@@danwenner1906 fair enough. My opinion will likely change as I continue through my journey following Christ, but the fact that there are denominations won't. And I don't consider Christians of a different denomination to be of a different church, body, or faith. Especially when they're all following the word of Jesus. Unless they clearly arent like The examples I gave previously. I don't think God's going to play the "you have 40,000 options, one's right" game. Because no matter what denomination you say is The correct one. It's still just your guess based on how you were taught the Bible and how you interpret it. No different than anyone else.
@@michaelknapp677 Sorry i am texting and not good at it. God doesn't condemn those who do not know. It's more about what you believe in your heart to be right ( God has inscribed right from wrong on everyone's heart). Catholic teaching is that non Christian people such as Muslims, Hindus buddist, can also go to Heaven too. It's all Jesus's call as we all will meet Him at the twilight of death much like the thief did. I use to be protastant and married a Catholic girl. Much like you I saw Christianity all the same. However, I did like the Catholic churches smells and bells. My wife was attacked for being Catholic and I couldn't defend her i was told Catholics were all going to hell. Bla bla bla. There were some other stuff placed on my car attacking the church (chik-tracs). So I decided to research as I had a two-year old. It's when I read all the different religions, and many of the main stream Christian ones questioning everything. Is there even a God? I'm an old engineer so logic was the determining factor, no emotions involved. In the end the Early church fathers made it clear that there was a church as they provide context. That's all. I invite you to read them. They blew my mind. God Bless and I hope to meet ya on the other side. These two sites can answer a lot of questions. Catholic.com, newadvent.org. .
On the contrary, she's clearly chasing Jesus and didn't find him in pop music. I'm glad she found Him, body, blood, soul, and divinity, in the Blessed Sacrament
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal Catholicism isn't following Jesus either. It's all about following man-made tradition and worshipping idols, not about following Jesus and making your spiritual journey with Him. The church is supposed to help guide believers in their walk with God, not hinder it. Catholicism doesn't encourage people to read the Bible, but to listen to their "teachers". How is any Christian supposed to grow in his or her faith if they are discouraged from reading the Bible his or her own and thus don't get the chance to hear God speak to him or her personally? I hope this young woman turns away from the flashy, idolized religion called Catholicism and turns toward and truly follows Jesus. She should give more Protestant churches a chance before she starts to judge them all. Or how about actually trying to understand the truth of the Bible instead of the false theology in Catholicism? I pray that she would turn back to Jesus away from Catholicism so that she might be truly saved.
@@aleksandrasialtsis4382 you have been lied to about the Catholic Church and have no idea what she actually teaches. And Catholics are encouraged to read the Bible. Did you know that Bible in a Year podcast debuted at #1 and held the spot for weeks, and is still popular a few years later? It's a podcast done by a Catholic priest. Don't tell me we don't read the Bible.
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal Really? You do? Then why do you worship the Virgin Mary? Why do your churches have images of Jesus and statues of the apostles and Mary? My church which is Presbyterian certainly does not have any images of God. Worshipping images of God or any other Biblical character is considered idolatry. Furthermore, where does it say in the Bible that there are things that believers need to do other than having faith in Jesus. Please tell me the specific passage that confession comes from. The true faith of Christianity is not supposed to be works-based religion, but a faith that allows forgiveness of sin because of what Jesus did which is a gift of salvation to us. A gift is something that you cannot earn. You can't add to the gift of salvation by doing good things because they are nothing compared to what Jesus has done for the world. So why would we need to be required to do good works on top of that salvation when Jesus finished His work of salvation already. It is written that Jesus said the moment before He took His last breath: "It is finished." Moreover, in Galatians 4:21-31, Paul once again explains what the true gospel message is because this church had begun embracing false gospels in his absence. It was explained this: Hagar represents the unsaved people who are trying to earn salvation through good works. Meanwhile, Sarah represents the people are saved by the gift of salvation that God offers to us through His Son Jesus. If this gift is being offered by God, then do you think that He made a mistake and didn't do enough to ensure our salvation? In Deuteronomy 27:36 as quoted by Paul in his letter to the Galatians (3:10, NIV Bible): "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Law." Paul explains in the next verse that "Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because "the righteous will live by faith" (quoted from Habbakuk 2:4). However, in verse 12a, it is written: "The law is not based on faith." Paul goes on in verse 13 to explain that Christ took on the curse that would be on us due to our sin. He hung on a pole (the cross) in order to take the curse of sin away from those who would put their faith in Jesus. Given that Christ redeemed us from this curse of sin, why would be like Hagar and want to still live under the law to find salvation while already having salvation in Jesus Christ? There is nothing that we humans can do to earn our salvation because we can never be justified while living under the law. God meant for people to freed from the Law so that we would be free to live for Him so that it would not be an obligation, but a joy to live for God. Good works is not required for salvation because of what Jesus did for the entire world so that anyone could be forgiven of his or her sins and that anything we might try to do earn God's favour to "ensure" our salvation will fail because living by the law only reveals our sinful nature as human beings. Good works don't do anything to improve our standing with God after we repent and put our faith in Jesus. So why would we need to add to God's perfect salvation? Because God is perfect, shouldn't all of His actions be perfect as well? Therefore, why would we need to work for a salvation that we already have by faith? That's my line of inquiry anyway. I hope that you would look into the part that I was referring to in Galatians at least so that you can access for yourself what I'm saying. Also, purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible, but Catholics claim that there is purgatory between "heaven" (being eternally with God) and hell. Where is the passage for that? My point is that if Catholicism is the "true church", then why do some of their teachings and some traditions directly conflict with the Bible?
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimalIt's not just about reading the Bible but applying what it teaches and Bible teaches for example that we're not saved by our works or kept saved by our works,Jesus told us that anybody who believes in Him has everlasting life and will never be snatched out of His Father's hand and this to believe is to trust Jesus and His finished work instead of trusting in yourself,how well can you keep the law and Jesus also said nobody will enter the Kingdom of God without being born again of water and Spirit and this is gift from God that you receive after trusting Jesus Christ and His finished work for your salvation,you aren't saved by being baptised in water but Holy Spirit which again is by grace through our faith in Christ alone. The Bible also teaches us to pray only to God but you pray to the saints and perhaps the dead too,your passed away loved ones. You are also idolising Mary,the mother of Jesus and while yes,she is probably most blessed woman ever,Jesus never told us to worship Mary,when a woman approached Jesus saying blessed is the womb that bore you and paps on which thou hast sucked,Jesus replied yea,rather blessed is everybody who hears the words of God and does them or this also,after Jesus finished preaching the parable of the seed, multitude told Jesus His mother and brothers and sisters came to visit Him but He said who is my mother or brother or sister? Everybody who does the will of My Father is my brother and my mother and my sister. Jesus didn't give significance to Mary that people should bow down to her or anything. Your priests are called fathers which is such an abomination to God. The list just goes on and on,Catholicism is an abomination to God,these aren't the teachings of God but men. Just like He said of false prophets being ravening wolves in sheeps clothing so is Catholicism traditions of men covered with supposed godliness. All these supposed fathers are like Christian versions of Pharisees. Spirit of Satan is mostly behind this,not Holy Spirit of God. I will urge you therefore to repent meaning have a change of mind about your ways and beliefs and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and you will be saved,in fact you are in the very same moment after your faith in Christ. God bless.
I think to group “Protestants” in this category is not very fair. If it were reversed, there are many things that the “Catholic” church could be grouped in based on how some have behaved in the past. It’s more important to know what Protestants believe and stand for, not what some followers are doing.
Protestants believe in such great doctrine like 1). trusting Jesus as Savior, so you don’t have to save yourself. 2). priesthood of all believers, thanks to scripture available to believers. 3). Good works for glorifying God rather that to win His favor, and. 4). Denominational splitting, which can be a more peaceful way to keep the church’s purity. Catholics attribute their unity by the magisterium. Protestants have it by God himself. I encourage Catholics to read the Bible themselves to see what they’re missing.
@@frankwm1988 When there were tare in the field what did the landowner tell his servants to do? Start a new field? No. Protestants, by splitting away when members disagree on theology to maintain "spiritual purity", is doing what is contrary to the landlord's intention as described by our Lord in the parable of wheat and tares. Lesson: There is only *one* field (Church ). The Lord doesn't want Christians to start new fields where no tares are found in them. Just saying.
@@eric.loves.to.fish1 Then why u a Catholic? Orthodox is the original church. If what u are saying is true then Catholics are just as guilty as Reformers.
I wanna help you understand something: Martin Luther was a Catholic monk before he split off. If you haven't a clue about Martin Luther's more extensive roots, I urge you to understand who the father of the manmade religious movement of separation from Christ's Church, aka Protestantism, is really like. Luther suffered from scruples, and so rather than carrying his cross and bearing to watch the Church go through a period of bad leadership and corruption, he left it. You understand? He didn't adhere to his teachings, his love for Jesus, and remain determined in his faith...no, he said "this is too hard, I'm out...I'm doing this my way." Luther also was just not a good man, from what we know about him. There's a recorded discussion between one of his students asking on the seriousness of sin and how to combat it when it's too hard, and you know what Luther tells the student learning under him? Essentially: "Well, it's better to mortally sin now and ask for forgiveness later, rather than to endure the pains and temptations that try to drive you to it." Excuse me? Luther, you just told someone to commit mortal sin and then just go say you're sorry later. You have any idea how much that opens a can of worms towards habitual mortal sinning? That's so dangerous!! And yet, he encouraged Christians to just do what was bad, and ask for forgiveness later. Don't try to be virtuous or fight the temptations and struggle against sin? No, just give in and say you're sorry later. That doesn't stand well in God's courtroom, in front of Our Lord Jesus! Luther is the living embodiment of "God's way isn't working, I'm doing it my way, now..." and how many stories in the Bible do you know and read/have read where a prophet, or one of Christ's apostles did something God didn't ask them to do, or goes against God's word: what happens? God punishes them or sternly corrects them. So, ask yourself very personally: you want to follow the MAN MADE RELIGION that was a religious movement begotten from "I wanna do it my way, not God's way"? OR would you rather follow the Church that has been virtually unchanged in its roots and traditions since the founding of it with St. Peter the Apostle during the time of Jesus Christ? Really think about it. Really understand what the Protestant Church came from, and what that means if the Catholic Church got it wrong, but the Prots got it right. That unravels all Christendom...it means that Christ was a liar, it means so many other heinous truths. Seriously...pray on this. I'm actually praying for you. God bless.
Yeaahhh, it sounds like she was looking into the wrong churches. There are plenty of rich, faithful prot churches, but yes, your average mega church is trash 😂
When I was leaving evangelicalism and heading towards Catholicism someone asked me why I don't just join a more traditional Protestant church like Episcopalian. I told her that if I go that far I might as well go all the way to Catholicism and actually have the Real Presence. So, yes, I am Catholic. I started from Assemblies of God and Baptist and worked my way backwards through the branches of denominationalism and origins of the Church, scanning history, and, well, it all led to Catholicism.
Thank God she is calling this out. Evangelical churches are the worst with their celebrity culture and wordly focus. We need to bring back the purity of God's church.
Not all of us Protestant Christians get down like that. My church plays reverent sacred music and our services are about God and for His glory, not a rock concert with an inspirational speech. “Let all things be done decently and in order.” 1 Corinthians 14:40
No. The New Testament is clear that the Church is us believers, not the building. God inhabits his people through the Spirit. The building happens to be the place where everyone gets together.
@@toddfry6635 yes, The Church is the mystical body of Christ made up of the believers. But also, a church is the physical house of God present in the Blessed Sacrament. A Catholic Church, that is. And so each church building is a sanctuary and should be treated properly as a house of worship
See it's interesting because, as a Catholic, I've been to many Protestant churches just like the ones she's describing, but I've also been to many that are the opposite. I still remember one year we were visiting family over Christmas and were invited to a late-night Christmas Eve service at my Uncle's Methodist church. It's a tiny simple church in a small rural town, but I still remember that service being the most warm and fulfilling Christmas service I've ever been to. I love going to Catholic mass and I find it very peaceful, but that one service at his church still stands out to me. That uncle just so happens to be my Godfather. And you might be wondering, why as a Catholic do I have a non-Catholic Godparent? Well, my parents knew he and my Godmother are the most loyal, loving, and faithful Christians and to them, choosing him meant having a close loving family member who would always care for us and guide us spiritually was better than having a Catholic distant relative that we weren't super close with. My younger brother and I share the same set of Godparents for the same reason, which is another departure from tradition. Now that I'm an adult, I firmly believe my parents made the right choice in choosing them. To this day, my bond with my Godparents are the strongest that I have with any of my other aunts and uncles, bar none, and they've both guided me immensely in my faith. So I guess my point is, even though I agree with her opinion that a lot of Protestant churches are very secular in their practices, I still think that's not true across the board. Protestants are capable of having as much or as little faith within their church as Catholics, and their services can be just as fulfilling.
Protestants cannot have "more faith" or be "more fulfilling" in their services because they do not have the fullness of truth or faith and also don't have the Eucharist. They are dead members of the Body of Christ and you should not be attending their heretical and schismatic "services".
..........did you assume all protestant churches are the same based on a couple you went to? And I don't get the rock concert thing.....secular music? Because there are guitars or something? We aren't singing secular music. Y'all are stereotyping us and its getting old.
I traveled across the USA 🇺🇸 and overseas. Some Protestant communities are as she described. The Evangelical ones especially in Developing Nations are more so. I even visited Buddhist ☸ temples, Hindu 🕉 temples, (Jewish ✡ ) synagogues 🕍 and mosques 🕌 . These worship sites give me a boomerang: they all lead me back to the Catholic Church ⛪.
People forget that GOD made ALL types of music and different music can touch different people,why judge,praise God that people do come to GOD because a song touched their spirit. This spirit of division is disgusting
Yeah,a genre isn't necesarily bad UNTIL it's corrupted with promoting sin,that's where the problem roots,in it's use,not in the music genre itself. I understand that some people might not like certain types of worship because it's "too modern/secular" or "very old fashioned" but just because it doesn't suits them,doesn't means it's "wrong".
Never been to a single protestant church like what she is describing... Closest thing to that was a youth retreat I went to several times when I was a teen and even that we had our own music that was explicitly Christian.
I was raised Catholic but my husband attended only Evangelical Protestant Churches exactly like the ones she described. He hated it. Couldn’t wait to move out of his parent’s house to stop going to them.
And if I told you you can have a super, deep, and endless journey in life to enrich and empower that relationship, wouldn't you say *_"absolutely"?_* Great, because you should! Where do you go and what do you do to enrich your love for Christ? I'll tell you exactly where and how: the Catholic Church, and partaking in the Eucharist: Christ's Body and Blood which was given up for you, me and every sinner throughout all time. That means in the past, the present, and yet to come: all of us, sinners and all...He loves you THAT much. Does that sound so bad? It shouldn't! It's what Christ asked all of us to do, when He stated "Amen amen, I say to you: unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life I you," and, "unless you are born again in the water and the spirit, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God." I just gave you 2 scripture passages that, though paraphrased slightly, are points that Christ makes HIMSELF, magnifying and stressing the importance of the sacrament of Baptism (water and the spirit; born again in), and the Eucharist (eat my flesh, drink my blood, no life in you). Try to really understand that, and look into that further. Please try to be open minded about all of this, because if you are and you begin to open your eyes more to this, you will see how much it matters to have a true relationship with the Lord. He has left us instructions, and guidance in more than just the Bible, but also in the traditions and living body and the life of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. God bless you.
Actually, it does and Catholicism and protestants are neither one of them. God does have a people on this earth. Acts 15:14. They will come and find you at your home. Acts 20:20.
@@Peaceful_Gojira catholicism and protestants, violate the new commandment of the Christ, which is love. John 13:34,35. By not informing their congregations, that it is wrong to participate in the wars of the nations, they are constituting themselves as false religion. She is responsible for all those slaughtered on the Earth. Revelation 18:24.
@@blakelarson333 what I’m trying to say to you is God does have a people here on earth. It is their responsibility to make disciples of people of all the nations teaching them.Matthew 28:19,20. Matthew 24:14. You don’t have to look for them they will look for you. Not to say you cannot search yourself and pray to God that the truth will come to you. But to have a special relationship with God, you have to associate with his people. Hebrews.10:24,25. This is where you will be fed, Spiritual food. Matthew 24:45. The members of Catholicism and protestants are not fed by this faithful slave.
It took me 5 tries to leave catholocism, but I finally gave it up for lent in 1997. Permanently. I had read and understood the gospel message for the first time in my life..not spoon fed by the misselette, but reading the entire Bible helped me understand that I was an idol worshipper and a sinner. That broke my heart. The Lord saved me!
@wenmar3837 The Catholic Church is the church Christ Himself started- we know because of apostolic succession. If you think Catholics "worship idols, " you were poorly catechized, alas. Perhaps you can study the Early Church- it was what the Catholic Church is.
I left the Catholic Church and found Jesus at a Calvary Chapel Church. The Catholic Church never taught me to read the Bible and even dissuaded me from reading it. It built roadblocks between me and God by telling me I had to go through intercessionaries to talk to God. There is comfort in the high church rituals, but distance built between me and my Savior.
I hear you and I have a long story and the Catholic parish I attend as much as I believe in the foundations of Catholic religion my connection is with Jesus unfortunately other than the youth ministry connection which is beautiful the adult cradle Catholic behavior is racist Territorial and bigoted I hate to say that I'm glad there are the Hispanic and Filipino Catholic groups I wish they weren't segregated but they are but they give me a sense of comfort in Christ and Humanity the Anglo cradle Catholic culture just completely rubs me the wrong way I never thought I'd have to say this but here I am a newer to Catholicism but older to Christ coming from a cosmopolitan San Francisco Bay Area culture of classical music and a lot of beautiful Asian culture as well here I come to this part of California where the Anglo culture is rather closed bigoted territorial
Do you even attend daily mass? because if you do you will hear Bible reading everyday... I never understood the vague accusation of the protestants who say 'Catholic Church dissuaded me from reading Bible'.
"Catholic Church ⛪ dissuaded me from reading 📚 the Bible." My response: that is not in the CCC. I am in Gen X. I traveled overseas (outside of the USA 🇺🇸). No priest, other clergy member, nun, professor/teacher in a Catholic institution ever discourages anybody from reading 📚 the Bible, anywhere. A Mass or any other Church service is steeped in the Bible. Rites and rituals are sacramental = they bring you closer to Jesus. You need to be re-evangelized.
She’s talking about “Protestant churches” using a broad word to define a small portion of the adherents. There’s plenty of Protestant churches that aren’t like what she’s talking about. In fact, “secular music”? I don’t know a single church that sings secular music outside the odd Christmas song during that time of year. No idea where she was going.
It’s so hard to have conversations when everyone acts like a snowflake picking apart every single thing someone says to get offended. She was speaking on her own personal experience.
I used to go to a Presbyterian church that was quite evangelical in worship style and doctrine. Once in a great while, they may be a secular song However, the sermons weren’t highly Reformed. They were strong, however, with morality. And curiously, this was actually a PC(USA) church.
I came from a protestant background, went through Catholic Catechism, but didn't feel quite right with it enough to commit to the church due to some of their teachings. Back I went to church hopping until I learned about Orthodoxy, I fell in love with God in His Holy sacraments, tradition and the historical understanding of where we came from. For me, this is the only way to experience church as the disciples were led to create it.
There’s definitely some truth to what she says about some of the mainstream “Evangelical“ churches, where they cater services towards the individual. However, most of your historical Protestant churches, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Baptists, etc particularly those that hold to conservative Protestantism, these churches services focus entirely on God. That is what sola scriptura is all about, because scripture is focused entirely on God. so lumping all other protestant church services with contemporary Americanized person centered evangelical services is a bit of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Plus, it doesn’t really represent truly conservative protestant services.
True, but they are radical off shoots from the radical christians that rebelled from the catholic church. Each iteration of protestant christian being less like the original church than the last
I see what she’s saying, but I don’t think this is just a Protestant problem. The Catholic Churches in my area have the least Christian Christian’s and community youve ever met. Most of them would say they are cultural Catholics; they really don’t believe in much and bend to the culture more than most people I know due to wanting to be “good people”. I started going to a baptist church for this reason when I came back to God. Not because they were Baptist, but because they didn’t bow to the culture or make it a feel good sermon. It’s challenging, biblically based, and has an engaging Christian community. Regardless of denomination, look for a church that has that. It’s silly to pretend the Catholic Church hasn’t become Americanized or bent to woke culture. Hell look at what’s happening with the Catholic Church in Germany even. Catholic Churches may stick to tradition aesthetically, but otherwise they face the same problem Protestant churches do.
Parishes can be very different. If one wasn’t faithful to the faith, I’d look for another. However, when I became Catholic at age 48, I knew I could never go anywhere else because I was encountering the living Jesus in the Eucharist.
"Biblically based" he says as he doesn't recieve the Body and Blood of Christ. As he cluelessly wonders "what's this thing about the keys to the kingdom of Heaven?", "huh what's this authority to bind and lose?". You can claim to be Biblically based but the only church that's Biblically based is the Church that compiled the Bible. You're always welcome to join Christ's Church at any time though!
Lotta value in the Catholic Church presently and historically for sure. To pretend it isn’t bowing to culture the same way other denominations are is silly. To pretend there aren’t divides in the Catholic church and between parishes is even sillier. Your ad hominem attack makes you sound defensive @xymage. That’s usually not a sign of confidence. Do better. I’ll assume the invitation at the end is a gesture of good will though, thanks brother.
@@MOTM_ That wasn't an ad hominem attack. Swap "ad hominem" and "personal," and you'll have an easier time telling what's personal or not. Now, let's deal with your argument. "Divides" depend on what you mean. Do you mean disagreements on Dogma and Doctrine? I suppose their could be, but that's completely irrelevant to my argument, and I'm uncertain if you read my comment at all. Anyway, even if a certain parish was in disagreement with the Church, this doesn't disprove the Catholic Church in the slightest, just because someone is wrong doesn't disprove the original idea they disagree with. If someone thinks 2 + 2 = 4 is racist doesn't mean 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4. Lastly, I'm not sure what you mean by "bowing to culture." The Catholic Church is the only Church remaining that hasn't bowed to the culture in the slightest. Contraceptives are still banned [except for medical use in specific contexts not related to impeeding life]. Divorce is still banned. Female "priests" still aren't allowed. The Church still doesn't recognize homosexual "marriage." I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one because I know if you just listen to the media you'll believe all sorts of silly things, I'd like to remind you that the media is only there to drum up attention and what better way to do it than to mock Christ's Church. So next time you want to respond to a comment, let's avoid claiming a logical fallacy that's not even present and make sure that when you respond to a comment critiquing you or something you said you make sure you've addressed the points presented or else you'll run into a situation like this where you completely ignored my comment and just called me rude. That's usually not a sign of confidence. Do better 😋.
@@MOTM_ to pretend the Catholic Church *is* bowing to cultural pressure is silly. There are individuals pushing but things haven't changed. We don't have women priests or bishops. We don't allow divorce and remarriage. We don't allow contraception. We don't allow homosexual "marriage" or clergy. The German bishops are about to put themselves in schism if they don't knock it off. There are individuals, including priests and bishops, that behave badly and advocate and push for change, but they're not getting their way, not in terms of Church teaching. One thing I will grant you, there is indeed a certain malaise and cultural lukewarmness among many Catholic groups and parishes, including among the laity, that doesn't boldly proclaim the teaching of the Church and seems to want it to change. But it hasn't changed
Yes it is, Catholic and Orthodox have developed sacred music over thousands of years based on the music that was sang in the Temple. Even if songs have religious lyrics, if they still have secular styles, they are profane and are not as set apart as they ought be for worship.
@kafirking6230 Secular: "denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis. "secular buildings" words have meaning so let's not misuse them.
@Murph_gaming Sacred music is set apart from secular use and only used for worship, to use secular genres and styles for the purpose of worship is profanation, that is to mean to make the holy more ordinary and thus less fitting for the glory of God. If you listen to the great works of the Church like miserere mei, ave verum corpus, salutaris hostia and the very many others and compare that to praise and worship songs that mimic secular music it is very clear that one is more beautiful, transcendent and fitting for the worship of God.
@Murph_gaming That is very obviously not true, hip hop or metal cannot be made holy and sacred, whereas Gregorian chant naturally lifts your heart and fixes you on the transcendent. Lyrics are important, but the way in which they are delivered is equally so. The chanting of ancient hymns and prayers cannot be compared to praise and worship as Gregorian chant and polyphony were specifically designed for worship, unlike praise and worship, which copied secular music genres to be more entertaining and relevant. Please listen to any Gregorian chant or polyphonic piece like Palestrina's sicut cervus, Mortzart's domine Jesu or any of the music I mentioned in my last post and tell me they are not more beautiful than any praise and worship song. That is important as all beauty points to God.
1) The Church was apostolic from the beginning. There wasn't even a Bible during the time of the first Christians, which were martyrs who died for their faith. Protestant seem to ignore that they only have 66 books in their Bibles because the reformers who claimed that only the Bible has authority removed 7 books from the original Bible used by the Catholic Church which has 73 books (and Eastern Orthodox Bibles have 81 books). If the Bible for most of Christianity (West-Catholics, Eastern-Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, etc.) at the time of the Protestant reformation had at least 73 books, it is contradictory that their reformers removed at least 7 books, and that they actually believe the Bible is the authority. 2. They have zero knowledge of Church history, or even how Christianity is practiced in most of the world. The protestant church is the main form of Christianity in the US, but most Christians in the world (about 1.2billion) are Catholic, and there are many nations with Catholic roots. They know even less about the Orthodox, Coptos, and other Oriental churches, and how all of them are apostolic (because they follow the tradition that started from the first Christians) and much more similar to the Catholic Church than the protestant churches. They think the Catholic Church is only the Roman Catholic Church because they don't understand that the Catholic Church also has 23 Eastern Churches (Maronite, Byzantine, etc.), and that the protestant branches are 100% Western-European in their roots, and that Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, and Sola Gratia (ironically terms in Latin) are non-existent in any other form of Christianity with roots outside of Europe (Northern / Central Europe). 3. They don't understand that all other Christian churches (much older than any protestant denomination with roots in Northern and Central Europe), and not just the Catholics, venerate the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Theotokos, and also venerate the saints. It's funny given how much they emphasize the authority of the Bible but always forgive these two very interesting verses: "41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was FILLED with the HOLY GHOST [Holy Spirit]: 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." Luke 1:41-42 King James Version [Protestant Bible] And "31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." Matthew 12:31, KJV The Holy Spirit filled Elizabeth to venerate Our Lady, and the protestants in general (not all, as originally Martin Luther was not against venerating Our Lady) consider this to be a non-Christian practice. They are resisting making an echo to what the Holy Spirit is telling us to say, as He did with Elizabeth, and even call it wrong, which to me is resisting the Holy Spirit and maybe even a bit of a blasphemy for calling something good a bad thing. Note that the Hail Mary prayer takes actual Bible Verses and puts them together, so it is not a heresy to repeat this verses. Also note that the origin of the Hail Mary is the East (now Orthodox churches), and those Eastern churches also pray the Hail Mary, although they have other devotions that they may practice more.
Amen Sister! So beautifully said. I feel so lucky to have been raised Catholic and am not shy about sharing why our faith is so special with others. 🙏🏼💕
Damn... This is so true! I felt the same way. I was raised Roman Catholic and went to the Protestant church searching for an "easier, softer way" aka things that aligned with MY beliefs, and ended up with the fullness of the faith. Brothers and sisters, come back to Catholicism!
nah bro lets be honest most protestant churches like that, for me if there are no sacraments, no scriptural teachings, and no mass then that is no church
most people complain about the whole saints and Mary thing but even though i think their prayers are important again for me a church has to have a Christ and Scriptural centered faith and it has to have the sacraments and also mass, because i really dont get why people go to church to hear a sermon or have scripture being read to them, i just dont get it... like yea some sermons are good and we get to learn from Scripture but where is the sacrifice for God? its no longer for God but for ourselves
@@elmayonezotebe4245my church has music in the begining then we do prayer then scripture then a last prayer again. Other days we have other things mixed in too but a typical Sunday is just as that… I don’t find it bad? It’s not as crazy fancy as I have seen some online but I feel it’s a good mix and is a good church environment. You get the songs you get the prayer you get the teachings and the scripture ect.
@@elmayonezotebe4245but may I ask what you mean by “sacrifice to god” in a church setting? I’m new to it all so I’m not to sure what church has to offer to the fullest
Should have come to a Mennonite church, or any conservative protestant denomination. There are plenty of conservative protestant churches that aren't like this.
Actually mennonites don't follow the true Jesus that Protestants do. The former (the mennonites) believe that God Himself came down and had a baby with Mary and thus Jesus was born. However, Protestant believe the account of Jesus' birth as it was written in the Bible that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit, which gave Him His divine nature as God while at the same time taking the form of a human being. It also enabled Jesus to not be born of sin, but of God, making Him God's Son (the Holy spirit is one of three persons in the Holy Trinity). These are the facts about Jesus which made Him qualified to be able to overcome sin and thus be the perfect sacrifice on the cross for the sins of all people. He is both man and God at the same time and He is the only one time sacrifice who ended the need for all animal sacrifices.
We need to be careful about despising the worship of other believers. There are likely many sincere believers rejoicing in our Lord in the big E church she described and to disparage them because it is not to our liking can put us in a place similar to Michal despising David's exuberant worship before the Lord.
The hymns from centuries ago were once considered like the Christian rock of today. As long as they are God-centered, they are leading us to worship our Lord!
Exactly and speaking of demographics apparently the demographics of Catholicism has a huge bearing and difference unfortunately I'm noticing this as a newer to Catholic culture this parish is bigoted segregated territorial bottom line the hypocrisy is palpable I understand about the sacraments I take them seriously the homilies are often highly critical of non-catholic everything when the non-catholic Ministries where I also serve are helping the marginal and the desperate in this area
Please don’t speak if you don’t know🤦♂️ I apologize I have to speak to you like this, but brother we can’t worship god anyway we want we have to worship him the way he want in his glory and reverence, and I’m pretty sure hymns where never hated considering it’s tradition😅
@@vowelsounds6312, It is and always will be about the heart of His followers. It doesn't matter if a lyre, an organ, or an electric guitar are used. If you are praising and loving the Lord and inviting His Spirit to inhabit you, that is true worship.
@@Job.the.sufferer, the first clue you potentially aren't connect to God is that you don't capitalize Him, showing a lack of reverence for our Lord. Second, it is always about the heart of the worshipper, not the instruments used to worship. There was no organ in the time of Jesus (or Moses, David, or any other Biblical figures) and no instruction manual on the "appropriate" way to worship Him. You sound like a Pharisee. Ditch your man-made traditions and worship the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul.
I actually can relate with this woman to a degree. When I was exiting Mormonism i went to a slew of non-denominational churches. The megachurch feel felt so corporatized where the goal of the church was to happily feed content that would satifsy itching ears. So consumer based and not God based. They never preached the gospel either, ever. Never knew why I needed the Lord, that I was a sinner etc. I got saved in 2015 by God's grace and go to a traditional church now. No pop music, just God fearing hymns. No consumer based "worship" but rather the whole Bible being preached. At the end of the day, God's Word is what changes you, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing hy the Word of God. Acknowledging and meditating on Gods Word is paramount, and no religious service take it's place.
@@aleksandrasialtsis4382 Don't worry, she found Him. He's at the altar. She consumes Him as He commanded us: "Amen amen I say to you: unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you." Christ was pretty straight forward about that, and yet there are so many prot churches that don't do the Eucharist anymore...where does it say in the Bible to throw up hands and sing alleluia 20X to make it true? Or to gather in a church building? Or to have the Easter and Christmas services as a holiday? Oh right, it's not in the Bible. Why? Because someone 1000+ years ago needed to interpret it. Who did that? The Doctors and Early Fathers of the Church: St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Gregory, St. Irenaeus, and so on and so forth. The Bible is a Catholic book, the Church is the institute Christ founded...Prot churches are not founded by Christ, they are man-made...why would Christ, the great unifier and victor over sin and death itself, ask someone in the 1510s to SPLIT from His own church? Really think about that, and really try to justify the necessity to leave the communion of Christ's Church because of some sinners being bad leaders...if that's the excuse, then no one should be American right now, because we have a bad leader in office rn. Sincerely, I pray and hope you come home to the Faith and One True Church. God bless.
No irony there, this was an interview and not a mass. She is describing a place of worship. Outside of place of worship, if you want to listen to rock music that is good and talks about Christ, there is no problem, the problem that she is describing is that during worship it's more a show and a mockery than true worship and adoration of God, than true communion or silence to reflect and think of God. This is actually an issue in some Catholic churches after Vatican II, but it never gets to the level of these mega churches.
She put Protestant church in a box of only a small fraction of Protestant churches so obviously either she doesn’t know or she may have had Catholicism as an influence.
She's not wrong about the idolatry of some Protestant services, but jumping out of the frying pan into the fire of multiple cultic aspects of the idolatrous catholic church is the height of hypocrisy.
You wanna take the low blow route and call the Catholic Church a cult, then fine: it is a cult. Guess who our Cult leader is, cuz believe it or not, it ain't the Pope...can ya guess? That's right: Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, consubstantial with the Father, who was born before all ages (God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God). Idolatry is such an easy game to play, that next time you make a big deal about something more than God Himself and actually choose something over God, recognize that it may've been idolatry. Not promising it is, but it may be. Lord have mercy on these sinners...have mercy on all of us sinners...
Christians are not suppost to go empty to church to get filled, but to be filled with the Holy Spirit and love to go to church and serve the Lord and others. ❤🔥
This clip is not edifying to the body of Christ. It is only sowing disunity and only serves to act against Jesus’ prayer for his church: that we would all be one. There is no constructive criticism here. Only ignorance. This is bad click bait, and I expect more from this channel than uninformed Protestant bashing … it makes me want to unsubscribe. If I ever see something like this again, I will. Take it down. It’s gross.
Protestants that don't participate in the Re-presentation of Calvary are already not in unity with the Church. Why can't it be pointed out that services without the worship and sacrifice are lacking what God planned for His people?
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal The objection is that she is characterizing "the Protestant church in America today" but describing a very non-Protestant experience. She is describing something else.
@@mj6493 no, that was not his objection. His objection was that her opinion sows disunity. My contention is that we are already divided, why can't we point out that the re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice is the worship that God intended for us to have, not just a prayer service?
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal But the REASON that this video sows disunity is that it so misrepresents Protestant teaching and worship. Almost all Protestants do believe in the re-presentation, or at least re-membrance (anamnesis), of the sacrifice of Christ at the cross. The cross of Christ is central to Protestant worship. Admittedly, not always at street level, but if that is your standard, most Catholics are just as confused. By the way, communion among Catholics was rare during the Reformation era. It was the Protestants who argued for frequent communion and partaking of both the body AND blood of Christ.
Another straw-man argument against Protestant churches: pick on the non-denominational churches and pretend that the traditional, mainline churches don't exist. Also, she said that Protestant churches are Americanized. Umm, America was founded by mostly super traditional Protestant churches--you can even say that the Puritans/Congregationalists were more conservative and traditional than the Catholic Church at the time.
I love the litergy of AALC, Latvian, and Serbian Lutheran churches and the traditional, historic presbyterian and Dutch Reformes ones. I'm always convicted by the sermons and use them to grow in my walk with Christ.
How you "feel" is irrelevant. Is the theology sound, should be the question. Catholic theology is so riddled with pagan beliefs systems it's simply not sound.
There are no pagan beliefs in Catholicism. The Church pretty much eliminated paganism from western civilization by preaching the gospel all over the world. What have you done?
Where did you get your theology? Where did you get your Bible? Who told you these things?...answer: Catholics. Because until the 1500s thats all their was. So in short, no they aren't Pagan. They are the True Church Christ founded.
This is false teaching. We are all united under Christ and this catholic vs protestant retoric is harmful and certainly not biblical. Paul in many of his letters scolds the early churches for being so legalistic and restrictive, working against the kingdom of God.
I find that theologically the Catholic church is deeper. Not that some Protestant denominations don't encompass excellent theology, but the breadth, depth and time element of Catholic theology, for me, can't be beat.
There's a very deliberate twisting going on in the protestant churches, just takes a little bit of digging into the ecumenical movement to figure this out.
The kiss of truth. It is gentle and it is full of dedication to and from God. It smacks with selfless honor. I am Catholic and a big part of why is precisely what this young lady talks about. It is not about us and our beliefs. It is about God.
My pastor is taking 24 weeks to go through Ephesians, every single time I go I feel very fulfilled. I think your attitude towards it will influence how you feel. I’ve been to mass a few times, didn’t know what was going on, but I knew it I had grown up Catholic I’d probably see it differently. If I go to a bunch of Catholic Churches just so I can prove to myself I like mine better… does it really count? I’ve also been to other Protestant churches and walked out feeling like he was blabbing the whole time (plus they had two cameras following the singers around and I have a major problem with that, if you’re up there singing or playing it’s not about you at all). Find a church that works for you, I’m glad if someone is going to church in the first place.
There are Protestant churches that do actually preach the Gospel and not vague sermons catering to the secular culture. Adding to that, the sermons aren't the only source of biblical wisdom and interpretation. Classes and studies outside of the Sunday sermon are at the root of a biblically grounded church.
It really depends on the community and the specific church you go to. I hear so many people think the one church they visit or grew up in represents the whole faith.
I went to a Traditional Roman Catholic Church until l left it and now l go to a Non-denominational Worship filled Church and l have learned to love it!!! Why??? *Because the same Holy Spirit l felt when l was saved, He is still with me* We are to worship God in SPIRIT and Truth!! God Bless.
Ive got a lot of those rock band churches around me. I go to an older Baptist church, but theyre no longer in their hayday and it makes me sad. I miss the old fashioned Baptist church vibe, and the community and strong presence of God that came along with it
Yes I definitely can relate to video: Being a former Baptist for 25 years I’ve traveled and toured many of the popular evangelical churches and helped set up many the music and worship services programs. But the feeling of emptiness or something lacking was always there! Finally coming back to Catholic Church as a older adult I could definitely see and experience the Eucharist of our lord Jesus Christ.
I agree with this woman and praise God for her reversion! And I also agree with the comments here that there are Protestant churches that are not the stereotypical non-denom megachurch scene she described. There are Protestant churches out there that are very reverent and similar to Catholic and Orthodox tradition (e.g., "high churches"), so I wouldn't necessarily use this as an apologetics argument for Catholicism, since afterall there are Catholic parishes out there that commit liturgical abuses in their Mass, so is that an argument against the Catholic Church? Absolutely not! Those parishes are just some bad examples that are not meant to represent the Church as a whole. Instead, I would focus on the Real Presence of Jesus' Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the Eucharist that is only present in the Catholic Church (and Orthodox Church). No matter how reverent/traditional/cozy a church may make us feel, it is still nothing without the Full Real Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. That would be like a Bride attending her grand wedding without her Groom present there in-person. It may be an impressive and beautiful wedding, but it is still lacking without the Groom present.
Most Protestant churches follow the traditions outlined by the bible just refuse to follow the authority of man over the bible. We read the eyewitness testimony we read letter of the apostles and we base our church of those writings
From the original video - but I always felt unfulfilled mostly in the non-dom world and the non-demonational world because... This video cuts bits out. There are plenty of Protestant churches where the focus is on God, which is where it should be.
@@israeliana Some Protestant churches have the Eucharist in every service but for others it's just once a month or less. The meaning of this Eucharist or for some Holy Communion will vary across different Protestant churches.
@@pc-w8844 Holy Eucharist. As in with the Transconfiguration. I'm talking about the actual Body and Blood of Christ. Not the "symbolic" events happening at Protestant churches. Only the Catholic and Orthodox churches have the Holy Eucharist. The real Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. And there is scientific evidence to back the real presence. There has been human blood spontaneously arising out of the Holy Eucharist and other miracles. In short, the Holy Eucharist is not symbolic, it is really turned into Christ by Ordained Priests.
@@pc-w8844 the Holy Eucharist is only at the Catholic and Orthodox churches. The Transconfiguration must happen to make it the Real Body of Christ and it is done by Ordained Priests. This is nothing like the symbolic "Eucharist" event at Protestant churches.
@@israeliana When I regularly attended Catholic mass last year I used to believe in transubstantiation but I no longer do but rather consubstantiation. Anyway, I have a lot of time and respect for my Catholic friends and we shouldn't be arguing against each other. The edit on this video feels wrong regardless.
Its not this church or that church. Read the word and as God to reveal the truth to you. We are all unique so a church that is perfect for you and your relationship with God is important. As long as they teach you the Word of God! So that church might work well for you yet not for me. I've never been to a church with secular music?( I go to pentecostal church) The songs are amazing, & they all lead you to be in the presence of God.
So Sunday mornings are for fellowship & big broad strokes, making sure you’re on the same track. Small groups are for personal connections, discipleship, & to ask questions. Finding an elder member of the church is about personal mentorship & guidance. Finally reading the Bible daily is where you grow your roots & really begin to understand who God is & cultivate a personal relationship. It doesn’t matter what denomination of church you are in. That church is a collection of your brothers & sisters in Christ. You measuring your intentions & the reading the Bible will always be your foundation. If you still feel like Sunday morning is the best part of your walk with God, that means you’re not spending personal time with him.
I go to both catholic mass and a baptist church! I used to hate contemporary christian music but after being born again I understand the lyrics deeply and love how much they glorify God. The lyrics are better than the actual music itself but i dont really care about that so much, i find joy in praising the Lord who saved me and singing those words to him of gratitude.
As a protestant, I've criticized churches for the same exact stuff. Only thing I'd disagree with (apart from Catholicism being the solution), is the concept of "secular music". I just reject that category. I don't think it makes any sense the way people use it.
This just sounds like someone liking a stick shift vs an automatic car. My new gage of a good church is “ does it make me want to dive into scripture?” Only my current church has made me feel that. The rest were very feel good messages which I wasn’t about.
@@vowelsounds6312 I think you mean “mosh pit” but i would talk about animal sacrifice as a substitution for our death. I don’t get your analogy unfortunately.
@@kayr6813 My comparison is from Malachi Chapter One when God addresses the sacrifice of worthless animals instead of the best from their flocks. IMO, Contemporary Christian music / the songs being sung in churches today are nothing more than second rate, fragments of pop tunes matched with condescending, pseudo-Christian doggerel to accommodate a contemporary culture that can’t see itself for the vogue-ing, lukewarm, bunch of swaying posers that they are. . . that refuse to imbibe and sing en masse as one the inspirational classics of the faith which have united us in repentance, given us reason for hope, and edified saints for generations. Instead of presenting the Almighty with our truest and best, we find self delusional excuses to substitute half hearted, half secular, lukewarm musical offerings which He’s already said He feels like . . . spewing from His mouth.
@@vowelsounds6312 “truest and best” according to who? You? I don’t disagree that there is vague music out there (especially when it doesn’t point to Christ) but a blanket statement that all music after a certain year is false worship is too broad a statement. I have a personal relationship with the creator of everything and he has perked my ears up to music that has questionable lyrics or even a “worldly” sound to it, and called me to be discerning in that manner. You are entitled to your opinions but only God knows what is in hearts when we worship him, so it is improper to come to spiritual conclusions about every person who listens to songs that come after a certain year or aren’t “traditional“ God desires obedience over sacrifice and it is up to Him to tell us what that looks like. If certain songs stumble people they shouldn’t listen to them. If being overly strict in what they listen to gets them in a works based mindset pulling them away from God then He wouldn’t want that either and would tell them what is best for them if they are in prayer and His word. Paul talks about this type of liberty in 1st Corinthians 8. For clarity I am not writing this with an upset attitude it is just a conversation. Yours very much feels like an attack. No compassion or concern that others might be led astray which is what it sounds like you think but spoken with condemnation and judgment. I’m reminded on Romans 8:1. Encouraging people to seek out music that doesn’t please the flesh but pleases the spirit and glorifies God. I was listening to king of kings the other day and it plainly the story of the gospel and glorifying God. reminding me that the goodness of God leads us to repentance and ultimately Christ. Because it’s a spiritual issue and personally relational issue we are talking about I don’t think that there is a right or wrong answer. There is a right and wrong heart. We shouldn’t be like the pharisees we should be like the disciples.
The roots of her own faith (the Catholic tradition) are also based in a particular culture, just not our current one. It’s a mistake to say that because the practices are old, that they transcend culture. The beliefs indeed do transcend, but the attire, the music, the architecture, etc were based in the culture of that time. Is it wrong to bring the Christian faith into modern culture with modern attire, musical genre and other things? No, it’s not. Modern sounding music is not essentially secular music, and the fact that it promotes memorization is good and is also what liturgy does in a high church. A pastor tailoring sermons to his congregation does not mean that the focus of service is not on God, it means that he is feeding the sheep the things from the word that are relevant to their own needs and directing them to God. She returned to Catholicism because that’s where she grew up. And that’s fine! We have our preferences, but her criticism (although true of many Protestant churches) is not a valid rebuke of them all.
That’s very insightful. I’m Lutheran. I wrestle with this a lot. On one side of it, we have an early service that is full of the pop music style and everyone with their hands in the air and I don’t feel like it’s very genuine or fulfilling at all. It doesn’t seem to me like their mind is set on God. I attend the later service which is traditional and I take part in service a lot. The message between the two services are the same, when it comes to the gospel and the sermon. But everything else about worship is different. And while I feel like the early service may have some folks who aren’t truly worshipping, that could also be true of the second service. During Jesus’ ministry, he spoke to all kinds of people. He sent his disciples out all over various regions to gather them in. When I think about that, they probably had to adjust to everyone’s unique culture, but the Word will always remain true, because the Word is God himself. As long as the gospel is being shared, God is with us. I understand entirely where you’re coming from, these are just my words of thought. God’s blessings to you on your faith journey sister. ❤
One of the ways you can look at true worship, is what you do or don't do when no one sees you, spent some time in a prayer room, learn what it means to die to self & lay your life for another, such things can't be done without Jesus, that's why I have relationship with Jesus, not saints or Mary etc. it's Jesus who healed me from cancer, freed me from addictions, and taught me how to live my life Christ centered.
To me what she explained is just that you have a find a church that fits you. Some people like that stuff and some people don’t. If you want a focus on the Bible itself within church find the church that has that. It’s just part of what we all have to navigate on our journey to have a deeper connection with god.
At my church we have a great pastor teacher. The first half of the svc is almost a rock concert , which i could do with less. I miss traditiinal svc. But thats my preference. I appreciate a good sermon that will stay with me for the week.
Perfect description of the way Protestantism often drifts from God, not however a profound claim against the doctrine itself. I’m a keyboardist heavily involved in contemporary worship events, the goal has always been to offer our skills in worship to God, not push an emotive response. It’s so easy for ego to get in the way, which is unfortunately why we see it so much in the church.
John the Baptist said Matthew 3:11 “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire”.
GREAT point. As Mom used to say, "The Bible doesn't adjust to people, people need to adjust to the Bible."
That's got to be "mom saying" because it's definitely not a Catholic one.
Yes, in Bible college during a Theology of Worship class I learned a very important question about this (churches being “relevant” to the surrounding culture), in regards to being a worship pastor:
“Are we tailoring the Gospel to the culture or the culture to the Gospel?
Your mom gave a perfect example of exegesis v. eisegesis. Well done on her. We are supposed to change how we live to align w/ the bible. We don't change the bible to align w/ how we live.
I was born and raised a confessional Lutheran. My mom always told us, "Be a christian Lutheran. Not a Lutheran christian". Sadly, there are some people out there who mistakenly put their denomination above their christianity and claim that's the way God Himself set it up. I would respectfully disagree.
The bible is good but for true happiness and salvation it's by following the Church, attending mass regularly, recieving communion and going to confession often.
I was baptized Catholic and went to church regularly as a child.
My father’s side of the family is Protestant ( Baptist ) as well as many of my friends growing up who are born again.
They’ve always invited me to service on Sundays and I’ve given them a chance many times but I never felt I was in Gods presence as I felt in a Catholic Church.
Besides I always felt that Protestant style churches always turn into fashion shows , popularity politics and people up in each others business.
I’m a firm believer in shutting up , getting on your knees and looking forward at the symbol of our lords sacrifice to humanity when we pray.
100 percent!
Her complaints about the evangelical churches are the same complaints the real protestant churches have about the same evangelical churches.
Yes, exactly. They don't represent Protestant churches in the slighest, the represent the world.
No doubt, but "real" Protestant churches are hemorrhaging out even faster than the Catholic, are they not?
How do you define “real Protestant churches”? Protestant beliefs are so widespread that there is almost no defining feature between them all, not even the belief in Jesus’ death and resurrection. And, Protestants have no authority to draw from to define beliefs. Look up the No True Scotsman fallacy. The Catholic Church gets its authority from Jesus himself who established it in Peter and the apostles, and can clearly define her beliefs.
@@tristenwilliams1943 the real Protestant churches still have a connection with what made them protest in the first place: the five solas
@@tristenwilliams1943the No True Scotsman fallacy is what Catholicism uses to prove that it alone is a church.
Sublime! Its not about me, us. Its all about God.
I’m protestant and I completely agree with what she just said. We must pray for the American church✝️
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My protestant church abhors the disgusting electric rock band music of non-denominational, free form non catholics (they shouldn't be called protestant in my view).
Attend a divine liturgy. ☦️
I mean that may describe some big E mega churches but I don’t think it’s fair to say that’s all of Protestantism
Amen!
Agreed.
She should try a Presbyterian church, specifically the Orthodox or Associated Presbyterian denomination.
@jebsmith323 I was about to say the same thing. The orthodox Presbyterian church is a much more robust denomination in its teachings than these seeker friendly churchs.
Please read my other comment. Ps Only Jesus can found a Church.
Is she aware that there are Protestant churches that are not big box non-denominational contemporary worship churches? Doesn't seem so.
She is aware and in the full video there is more nuance to this. However this is UA-cam, and 'all' Protestants are the same ie - Rock concerts and Hill Songs. The reality is of course not this for most Protestants.
For real bro she is basing all her statements of contemporary music. She needs to go to a real baptist church there is none of that. Going to church is not about the music it’s about the intention
I am aware of this, too. Even if you change your songs to hymns, it doesn't matter. It's still a bunch of fluff that caters to you. You prefer a more old fashioned church service? That church is over there. Do you prefer a newer version? That church is over there. It doesn't matter. You are not actually worshipping God in either direction.
@BrandonBui-jh6yf yeah, I went there too. It's the same stuff but with hymns. It doesn't matter. You still aren't worshipping the Lord in either case.
Yep. She realizes that all Protestant churches are not the same. She's merely pointing out the ones with the concerts. 🤷🏻♀️
The Protestant church is not exclusively (or even mostly or a plurality) nondenominational and/or megachurch, which is what her concerns focus on. I would imagine if she gave a high church/liturgical Protestant church a try, her experience would be much the opposite from what she described.
The Episcopal Church is so random.
The closest is Orthodoxy, but it's not Protestant. Even the Orthodox churches don't have consistent teachings and often disagree on what should be dogma.
The traditions and continuity of the Catholic Church is unmatched. The reverence and order is only imitated and never replicated by even liturgical Protestant churches.
But real Protestant churches (not these megachurches) like the Presbyterian church teaches sound doctrine and actually encourages people to read the Bible for themselves. The Pope doesn't want their church to read the Bible for themselves. If the parishioners did, then they'll find out that they've been lied to their entire lives. I don't want this young woman to be lied to as well.
Also, Catholicism has changed the groupings of the 10 Commandments so that they can worship the Virgin Mary and other Biblical figures other than Jesus. Also, where is the passage in the Bible that supports confession?
Orthodoxy also is not true Christianity because, like the Catholics, they make things more about the flashy traditions made up by men rather than about worshipping Jesus.
Most protestant churches are not megachurches. However, I do understand that many of these churches have already started going woke and that's one of the many problems which the Protestant church has to fix, but it doesn't mean that the church can't reverse the number that's been done on them.
Nevertheless, just because this young woman is not able to understand the truth of the Bible, it doesn't mean she's correct by going to Catholicism. She clearly not interested in knowing the truth. The truth is not dependent on her opinion. She's hiding from the truth. I pray that God would help her to see the error of her going to Catholicism, an idolatrous religion of works. I pray that God would help her believe in the truth of Jesus Christ so that she would be truly saved and that she might want to try a proper Protestant church.
No need to attend a church with the teachings of Martin luther and his man-made religion. Why go to a church established only 500 years ago when christ clearly established his church on Peter more than 2000 years ago? Christ said "I will build MY church on this rock and the gates of hades will not prevail". Understand? Jesus said he will build HIS church not the church of Martin Luther or the wide variety of Protestant denominational churches scattered throughout town! Jesus said the devil will never destroy HIS church, so where were all these protestant churches 1000 or 1500 years ago if they are the true church of Christ?
I can understand Catholic reasoning for high church even if I don't agree with it but any protestants church that claims high church makes no sense
@@papasfritas6071the churches described had their own leadership and only had apostles to guide them. When they died there was no command to put 1 man in charge of the body of Christ as we already have one Jesus
Preach sister. I left the Baptist church for the True Church and I’ve never been happier and more at peace with my relationship with Christ. 🕊️❤️ Praise God
Really? I think Catholicism is more of a threat to your relationship with Jesus. Especially since Baptists (like other Protestants) believe that a relationship with Jesus is imperative. If you commit mortal sins, you must confess them or you will not get to heaven. And most sins, according to Catholic theology, are mortal. Venial sins are mostly accidents.
@@frankwm1988 yes really. The book of James tells you to confess your sins to your church leaders. Catholics believe in a personal relationship with Jesus that pushes them to good works ! I know how the joy of the spirit! My Baptist family lives in gossip and personal hatred for everyone who’s not them! That’s not the Gospel of Jesus Christ my friend. Come home to the First Church that Jesus established with the 12 Apostles. Prayers for you ❤️🕊️
Remember, the fair Europeans, namely, English, Scottish, Dutch, many Germans, Scandinavians, etc. went Protestant and are highly blessed. Foul Europeans: Micks, Wops, Polacks, French, Spaniards, and Portuguese hate Protestants and are defiant to the Gospel. If they weren’t, they would also be Protestant and not drink of the papist Kool-Aid.
@@tylerkessler4021 do you pray to Saints and Jesus’s mother Mary or no? If the answer isn’t a simple, no, then I don’t think the Catholic Church is leading you in the right direction.
@@tylerkessler4021Which Church are you talking about? The one in Jerusalem?Or the other like in Ephesus or Pergamos or Sardis or Thyatira? But if you are talking about the whole congregation of believers in Christ, then the Bible itself is the proof that false teachings have been creeping in even before all the apostles were dead and there was division among members picking their own teacher. Paul had to correct them they are all servents of the Lord Jesus Christ and all are equal. Paul was the one who greatly spread Christianity among Gentiles after Jews rejected Christ. The Bible doesn't tell Peter having authority over other apostles or believers. Peter was even rebuked by Paul for being hypocrite. The Bible doesn't tell succession of Christ on the earth. Obviously, Catholicim has different interpretation. But Jesus clearly said not to call anyone on earth teacher for there is only one teacher Holy Spirit. And not to call anyone on earth Father for there is only one Father in Heaven. Yet, Catholicim teaches only the Pope has the authority to interpret the Bible. And the Priests are called Father.
The Pope is the Father, the Son and the teacher. Only that the Bible doesn't tell that. And Catholicism is not even sola scriptura.
It’s not about denomination. It’s about Christ alone and what HE did for us…
@@PG-qt7ez Amen! Thank you!
Don’t conflate Protestantism with seeker-sensitive non denom
"I don't need the church to tell me what to believe I can read the Bible myself" - 16th century seeker sensitive church sermon. Protestantism has always been seeker sensitive.
Sorry, kind of have to agree with the lady... It's almost all protestant churches. From the hymns that repeatedly mention "me" to the sermons that teach about my healing.
To a holy communion that's shared in horrible little plastic wrapping by the congregation, to the individual feeling sorry for their sins or sharing fellowship with Others. Even great teaching that nurtures...my understanding. That challenges...me. That honours Christ ... is still received by me.
Yes, this is good but the epistemic starting point is...me or the congregation, my faith and reception of the word by the congregation.
Contrast the mass, where the liturgy, the role of the priest, the choir or altar servers and the administration of the bread and wine shift the dynamic. Even if there's no one there to hear, no congregation, no individual congregant to reflect... the celebration of the Eucharist is still the most powerful act of worship to God, for it is Christ's supernatural offering to His Beloved father of Himself. So, suddenly the congregant is incidental and at best a partaker and no longer the focus.
This is why we Protestants can't receive Catholic or Orthodox communion. For 95% of us the Lord's Supper is just our remembrance and our proclamation of what Jesus has done as commanded by Jesus. But for the Catholics, Orthodox and theoretically Anglicans and Lutherans (who go sadly wobbly on thus)...it is this and more. The ordained priest, in the person of Christ, through the Holy Spirit "re-performs" (not really the word I want) his own sacrifice, his own obedience to His Heavenly Father.
Remember when Jesus met the Samaritan woman at the well. Jesus linked perfect worship with his coming, his presence, in spirit and truth, that originates from Jesus himself, drawing life giving waters from His well of eternal life. It is a model of the mass: instantiated by Christ, performed by Christ, offering up Christ, from Christ that "may" be received by the one who comes close.
It's why ordained ministry is actually important because in the mass, the priest disappears and the person of Christ shines through, opening a portal, if you will, that connects that singular moment on the cross and the fulfilment of all scripture, through time and space (think the mount of transfiguration) to the here and now. Opening that well, drawing that water, proclaiming His conquest over sin in the body and blood, until He comes again.
I was sitting in my conservative evangelical (Brethren) church partaking in holy communion, whilst I was reading
1 Corinthians 11 as the officiant in this "non-liturgical" church" (following the same patterns and order of service it always did) was quoting verse 28 from that chapter but for some reason ignored verse 29.
Suddenly, in that moment I realised I couldn't partake of Holy Communion there anymore and started my journey towards the aforementioned understanding. And as I travelled this path, like the lady above I have come to a similar belief and sense of incompleteness every time I go to a protestant church, which I still do near enough every Sunday. But I now attend the catholic mass more eagerly although I can't receive im there to witness.
@@nmdale78 you’re confused too
@@threeformsofunity As a protestant you have to ask your self one question, sola scriptura? If the answer is yes you stopped searching.
Non denom is the worst of all prot’s anything goes
Not.all.Protestants.are.the.same. 👏 -your friendly neighborhood Anglican.
Love y’all though.
👆Faaaacts! For every cringy jumbo concert church, there’s a dozen tiny, sincere traditional Protestant churches just quietly doing their thing.
-your friendly neighborhood Lutheran
@@Mariaa_Hernandezz There is actually a lot more to it than that. Very common Catholic misconception. Still love y’all though.
You guys make and do whatever you want to suit yourselves…… no thanks
@@HREIII not trying to make you an Anglican at all. I actually believe that Roman Catholics are my fellow Christian brethren. I just wish the sentiment would be returned. 🤷♂️
Gotta love how United Christian’s are on their beliefs 😂
I’m Southern Baptist in Kentucky and I assure you that our Church Service is not at all like a Rock Concert. There won’t be denominations in Heaven. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Noone comes to the Father (Abba God) except through Him. 💗🙏🕊️
True enough, but in practical terms, what does "through Him" entail?
Amen!
@@michaelmicekEasy as pie, it means you believe in Him as your Savior.
@@frankwm1988 what do you mean by "believe"?
Amen baptist is the way to go
The last thing she said is the ultimate truth. As Catholics we should know that we are there to worship Christ and to be in awe of his mercy not to be entertained or blown away by the speakers. I myself took a similar journey to come back home to the One True Church Jesus came to establish. When I began my RCIA class I was still very much defiant and combative about the church. I basically was lovingly tormented by the Holy Spirit to go through the program and even gained the deacon’s personal attention and he became my spiritual director and still is my most strongest alley in my faith. On the day of my confirmation when they were going to anoint me, I was in line and I told my Godfather and I quote “ I don’t think I can do this” He then replied to me as I was physically backing away “ where the hell do you think your going? I’m 6’ tall and he’s about 5’2” and he grabbed me by the arm and I swear I couldn’t budge him an inch. He literally dragged me up to the altar and turned me in. I have never been more happy in my walk of faith since.
Look at GOD! That was God right there working through your Godfather! 😃
God Bless you but the Catholic Church has fallen away from God. Even the Pope said a few weeks ago that God has only made one mistake and I have it here in my hand. He went on to say I take it with me at all times! It had something to do with Satan. I turned it off because for one thing God doesn't and never will make a mistake. I am Christian and I have seen the sick bad deeds the Catholic church tried to hide for years and years. God Bless you but I have been too a Catholic Church and I couldn't understand anything at all from the Father or whomever speaks.
@@Mamabearmama2 I really hope you find his address. As for Mary, the rosary and the intercession of the saints, I look at it this way, if you want to, do it . If you don’t then don’t. What I understand through life experiences is that she can literally be the one thing that helps you get through. Let’s say you asked your dad for a certain thing or permission to do something. Dad’s not budging so what do you do? You go to your mom who has all of your dad’s attention. Now add Christ into the mix. He is obedient to his mother so he will come to the father if you will. As long as your prayer is pure you expedite your request. If not you can do it the other way too….
@@fu2974 I genuinely do not want to rip the bandage off again going through anything with my ex husband. He was disloyal and caught many times by me texting other women and telling them he didn’t have a wife when asked. I forgave him 3 times until I left finally. Now I’m married to a wonderful man who is the father to my two boys. I absolutely do NOT want to communicate with that guy. Ever. Way too much trauma. I cried in front of the priest when he kept insisting. That is something that makes me weary.
@@fu2974 as for Catholicism, I made that previous comment before I finally delved into some stuff about my biggest questions about the religion. I genuinely want to come back. But again, I cannot and I refuse to seek out a man with bad blood in our history. Absolutely not. I forgive him, but absolutely not.
My Protestant Church is a small building with about 40 people that all sing praise to God with one person on piano, SOMETIMES they add an acoustic guitar. Followed by the preacher reading straight from the Bible and explaining the context of the text and how it applies to us today. Followed by more singing and praise and finished off with people asking for prayers or praise for things in their lives. Never been to a church that she went to.
You part of the protastant churches in less than 500 years time the protastant church has fractured into over 40,000 churches and there is no single agreement on interpretation of the Bible's passages. This should bother you...
@@danwenner1906 it does and doesn't. Even in the bible while the disciples split up and went City to City teaching the word of God they would come across cities that another disciple had already been to and they would hear arguments of. I follow this disciple and I follow this disciple. They tried to clean it up by saying stop saying which disciple you follow. We all follow Christ.
It's the same today. Some people follow one person's interpretation others follow another interpretation. But everyone is following Christ unless they have another prophet such as Jehovah's witness, Muslim, Mormon. Each Church has its own little differences that aren't going to keep anyone from getting to heaven or from doing their best to follow. What they believe is God's word, except those who blatantly follow a prophet that is not in the Bible.
My best guess as to why there are so many denominations and God allows Such a thing is because everyone's at a different spot in their journey and not everyone can handle God wants of us. So he has churches for every person with a bar that they can reach. It's nothing new considering he allowed the Jewish people to do some things that he didn't want them to, but he knew setting the bar too high wouldn't get anyone to follow him. He meets people where they are and always has. He sits the bar high enough to make them after reach but not so high they can't reach and give up.
@@michaelknapp677 I'm sorry Michael I disagree. If that were true then arynism, gnostism, to name a few are just as legit teachings.
Why does Paul teach about those who do not follow what the Apostles taught? Why does John teach this as well?
Your basically saying conterdictive teachings in the different denominations is ok even though the Holy Spirit is God and the Bible is clear God does not lead by confusion.
The Apostles did not teach counterdictive teachings. Just different areas as the church was developing its teachings against new arguments.
The Bible shows this when Barnabus took Paul straight to Peter that there was a leader and an order. It's why after a period of time after they met Peter gave Paul his right arm in a sign of authority to teach to the Gentiles. It's why Paul called the first council of Jerusalem to fighting off the gentiles having to get nipped down under. It was Peter that called it and no one questioned after his announcement like they questioned Paul and then James wrote up the decree and sent it out. The church leadership always had to deal with new questions It's why they had councils. It's how the dealt with multiple fake Apostles and false teachings. (Paul talks about it in 2Thes). John talks about in 2John.
1jn 10:16, the church shall be one fold, one Shepard.
Eph 4,3-6, one lord one FAITH, one baptism...
Rom 16, 17, avoid those who create dissension
There are many more references.
Checkup those the Apostles taught, names are in the Bible just like Luke and Mark both taught by the Apostles. See if what you believe holds water. These guys were taught by the Apostles for up to 40yrs.
Polycarp, clement if rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Barnbas... just a few.
NewAdvent.org, catholic.com
@@danwenner1906 fair enough. My opinion will likely change as I continue through my journey following Christ, but the fact that there are denominations won't. And I don't consider Christians of a different denomination to be of a different church, body, or faith. Especially when they're all following the word of Jesus. Unless they clearly arent like The examples I gave previously.
I don't think God's going to play the "you have 40,000 options, one's right" game. Because no matter what denomination you say is The correct one. It's still just your guess based on how you were taught the Bible and how you interpret it. No different than anyone else.
@@michaelknapp677 Sorry i am texting and not good at it. God doesn't condemn those who do not know. It's more about what you believe in your heart to be right ( God has inscribed right from wrong on everyone's heart). Catholic teaching is that non Christian people such as Muslims, Hindus buddist, can also go to Heaven too. It's all Jesus's call as we all will meet Him at the twilight of death much like the thief did.
I use to be protastant and married a Catholic girl. Much like you I saw Christianity all the same. However, I did like the Catholic churches smells and bells.
My wife was attacked for being Catholic and I couldn't defend her i was told Catholics were all going to hell. Bla bla bla. There were some other stuff placed on my car attacking the church (chik-tracs). So I decided to research as I had a two-year old.
It's when I read all the different religions, and many of the main stream Christian ones questioning everything. Is there even a God?
I'm an old engineer so logic was the determining factor, no emotions involved. In the end the Early church fathers made it clear that there was a church as they provide context. That's all.
I invite you to read them. They blew my mind. God Bless and I hope to meet ya on the other side. These two sites can answer a lot of questions.
Catholic.com, newadvent.org.
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If you are relying on your denomination to fulfill you, you aren't actually chasing Jesus
On the contrary, she's clearly chasing Jesus and didn't find him in pop music.
I'm glad she found Him, body, blood, soul, and divinity, in the Blessed Sacrament
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal Catholicism isn't following Jesus either. It's all about following man-made tradition and worshipping idols, not about following Jesus and making your spiritual journey with Him. The church is supposed to help guide believers in their walk with God, not hinder it. Catholicism doesn't encourage people to read the Bible, but to listen to their "teachers". How is any Christian supposed to grow in his or her faith if they are discouraged from reading the Bible his or her own and thus don't get the chance to hear God speak to him or her personally?
I hope this young woman turns away from the flashy, idolized religion called Catholicism and turns toward and truly follows Jesus. She should give more Protestant churches a chance before she starts to judge them all. Or how about actually trying to understand the truth of the Bible instead of the false theology in Catholicism? I pray that she would turn back to Jesus away from Catholicism so that she might be truly saved.
@@aleksandrasialtsis4382 you have been lied to about the Catholic Church and have no idea what she actually teaches.
And Catholics are encouraged to read the Bible.
Did you know that Bible in a Year podcast debuted at #1 and held the spot for weeks, and is still popular a few years later? It's a podcast done by a Catholic priest. Don't tell me we don't read the Bible.
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal Really? You do? Then why do you worship the Virgin Mary? Why do your churches have images of Jesus and statues of the apostles and Mary? My church which is Presbyterian certainly does not have any images of God. Worshipping images of God or any other Biblical character is considered idolatry.
Furthermore, where does it say in the Bible that there are things that believers need to do other than having faith in Jesus. Please tell me the specific passage that confession comes from.
The true faith of Christianity is not supposed to be works-based religion, but a faith that allows forgiveness of sin because of what Jesus did which is a gift of salvation to us. A gift is something that you cannot earn. You can't add to the gift of salvation by doing good things because they are nothing compared to what Jesus has done for the world. So why would we need to be required to do good works on top of that salvation when Jesus finished His work of salvation already. It is written that Jesus said the moment before He took His last breath: "It is finished." Moreover, in Galatians 4:21-31, Paul once again explains what the true gospel message is because this church had begun embracing false gospels in his absence. It was explained this: Hagar represents the unsaved people who are trying to earn salvation through good works. Meanwhile, Sarah represents the people are saved by the gift of salvation that God offers to us through His Son Jesus. If this gift is being offered by God, then do you think that He made a mistake and didn't do enough to ensure our salvation?
In Deuteronomy 27:36 as quoted by Paul in his letter to the Galatians (3:10, NIV Bible): "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Law." Paul explains in the next verse that "Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because "the righteous will live by faith" (quoted from Habbakuk 2:4). However, in verse 12a, it is written: "The law is not based on faith." Paul goes on in verse 13 to explain that Christ took on the curse that would be on us due to our sin. He hung on a pole (the cross) in order to take the curse of sin away from those who would put their faith in Jesus. Given that Christ redeemed us from this curse of sin, why would be like Hagar and want to still live under the law to find salvation while already having salvation in Jesus Christ? There is nothing that we humans can do to earn our salvation because we can never be justified while living under the law. God meant for people to freed from the Law so that we would be free to live for Him so that it would not be an obligation, but a joy to live for God.
Good works is not required for salvation because of what Jesus did for the entire world so that anyone could be forgiven of his or her sins and that anything we might try to do earn God's favour to "ensure" our salvation will fail because living by the law only reveals our sinful nature as human beings. Good works don't do anything to improve our standing with God after we repent and put our faith in Jesus. So why would we need to add to God's perfect salvation? Because God is perfect, shouldn't all of His actions be perfect as well? Therefore, why would we need to work for a salvation that we already have by faith? That's my line of inquiry anyway. I hope that you would look into the part that I was referring to in Galatians at least so that you can access for yourself what I'm saying.
Also, purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible, but Catholics claim that there is purgatory between "heaven" (being eternally with God) and hell. Where is the passage for that?
My point is that if Catholicism is the "true church", then why do some of their teachings and some traditions directly conflict with the Bible?
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimalIt's not just about reading the Bible but applying what it teaches and Bible teaches for example that we're not saved by our works or kept saved by our works,Jesus told us that anybody who believes in Him has everlasting life and will never be snatched out of His Father's hand and this to believe is to trust Jesus and His finished work instead of trusting in yourself,how well can you keep the law and Jesus also said nobody will enter the Kingdom of God without being born again of water and Spirit and this is gift from God that you receive after trusting Jesus Christ and His finished work for your salvation,you aren't saved by being baptised in water but Holy Spirit which again is by grace through our faith in Christ alone. The Bible also teaches us to pray only to God but you pray to the saints and perhaps the dead too,your passed away loved ones. You are also idolising Mary,the mother of Jesus and while yes,she is probably most blessed woman ever,Jesus never told us to worship Mary,when a woman approached Jesus saying blessed is the womb that bore you and paps on which thou hast sucked,Jesus replied yea,rather blessed is everybody who hears the words of God and does them or this also,after Jesus finished preaching the parable of the seed, multitude told Jesus His mother and brothers and sisters came to visit Him but He said who is my mother or brother or sister? Everybody who does the will of My Father is my brother and my mother and my sister. Jesus didn't give significance to Mary that people should bow down to her or anything. Your priests are called fathers which is such an abomination to God. The list just goes on and on,Catholicism is an abomination to God,these aren't the teachings of God but men. Just like He said of false prophets being ravening wolves in sheeps clothing so is Catholicism traditions of men covered with supposed godliness.
All these supposed fathers are like Christian versions of Pharisees.
Spirit of Satan is mostly behind this,not Holy Spirit of God. I will urge you therefore to repent meaning have a change of mind about your ways and beliefs and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and you will be saved,in fact you are in the very same moment after your faith in Christ.
God bless.
I think to group “Protestants” in this category is not very fair.
If it were reversed, there are many things that the “Catholic” church could be grouped in based on how some have behaved in the past.
It’s more important to know what Protestants believe and stand for, not what some followers are doing.
Protestants believe in such great doctrine like 1). trusting Jesus as Savior, so you don’t have to save yourself. 2). priesthood of all believers, thanks to scripture available to believers. 3). Good works for glorifying God rather that to win His favor, and. 4). Denominational splitting, which can be a more peaceful way to keep the church’s purity.
Catholics attribute their unity by the magisterium. Protestants have it by God himself. I encourage Catholics to read the Bible themselves to see what they’re missing.
Protestant= heresy
@@frankwm1988
When there were tare in the field what did the landowner tell his servants to do? Start a new field? No.
Protestants, by splitting away when members disagree on theology to maintain "spiritual purity", is doing what is contrary to the landlord's intention as described by our Lord in the parable of wheat and tares.
Lesson:
There is only *one* field (Church ). The Lord doesn't want Christians to start new fields where no tares are found in them. Just saying.
@@eric.loves.to.fish1 Then why u a Catholic?
Orthodox is the original church. If what u are saying is true then Catholics are just as guilty as Reformers.
I wanna help you understand something: Martin Luther was a Catholic monk before he split off. If you haven't a clue about Martin Luther's more extensive roots, I urge you to understand who the father of the manmade religious movement of separation from Christ's Church, aka Protestantism, is really like.
Luther suffered from scruples, and so rather than carrying his cross and bearing to watch the Church go through a period of bad leadership and corruption, he left it. You understand? He didn't adhere to his teachings, his love for Jesus, and remain determined in his faith...no, he said "this is too hard, I'm out...I'm doing this my way." Luther also was just not a good man, from what we know about him. There's a recorded discussion between one of his students asking on the seriousness of sin and how to combat it when it's too hard, and you know what Luther tells the student learning under him? Essentially: "Well, it's better to mortally sin now and ask for forgiveness later, rather than to endure the pains and temptations that try to drive you to it." Excuse me? Luther, you just told someone to commit mortal sin and then just go say you're sorry later. You have any idea how much that opens a can of worms towards habitual mortal sinning? That's so dangerous!! And yet, he encouraged Christians to just do what was bad, and ask for forgiveness later. Don't try to be virtuous or fight the temptations and struggle against sin? No, just give in and say you're sorry later. That doesn't stand well in God's courtroom, in front of Our Lord Jesus!
Luther is the living embodiment of "God's way isn't working, I'm doing it my way, now..." and how many stories in the Bible do you know and read/have read where a prophet, or one of Christ's apostles did something God didn't ask them to do, or goes against God's word: what happens? God punishes them or sternly corrects them.
So, ask yourself very personally: you want to follow the MAN MADE RELIGION that was a religious movement begotten from "I wanna do it my way, not God's way"? OR would you rather follow the Church that has been virtually unchanged in its roots and traditions since the founding of it with St. Peter the Apostle during the time of Jesus Christ?
Really think about it. Really understand what the Protestant Church came from, and what that means if the Catholic Church got it wrong, but the Prots got it right. That unravels all Christendom...it means that Christ was a liar, it means so many other heinous truths.
Seriously...pray on this. I'm actually praying for you.
God bless.
Yeaahhh, it sounds like she was looking into the wrong churches. There are plenty of rich, faithful prot churches, but yes, your average mega church is trash 😂
All Protestantism is heresy and lacks the fullness of faith. It doesn't matter what sect you're in it will endanger your soul.
Finding "right church" among 40.000 Protestant denominations😂
@@boem3021ah yes, the debunked 40,000 churches claim. Let me know when you find a good argument.
@@gbush92223it doesn't matter if there are 40,000 or 4 denominations. The Scriptures are explicit: the Church is one.
When I was leaving evangelicalism and heading towards Catholicism someone asked me why I don't just join a more traditional Protestant church like Episcopalian. I told her that if I go that far I might as well go all the way to Catholicism and actually have the Real Presence. So, yes, I am Catholic. I started from Assemblies of God and Baptist and worked my way backwards through the branches of denominationalism and origins of the Church, scanning history, and, well, it all led to Catholicism.
Thank God she is calling this out. Evangelical churches are the worst with their celebrity culture and wordly focus. We need to bring back the purity of God's church.
Not all of us Protestant Christians get down like that. My church plays reverent sacred music and our services are about God and for His glory, not a rock concert with an inspirational speech.
“Let all things be done decently and in order.” 1 Corinthians 14:40
Yes. A church is not a concert hall. It is a sanctuarium, God's place.
No. The New Testament is clear that the Church is us believers, not the building. God inhabits his people through the Spirit. The building happens to be the place where everyone gets together.
@@toddfry6635yep. The early Christians met in houses
@@toddfry6635 yes, The Church is the mystical body of Christ made up of the believers.
But also, a church is the physical house of God present in the Blessed Sacrament.
A Catholic Church, that is. And so each church building is a sanctuary and should be treated properly as a house of worship
All churches are houses of worship.
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimalit’s certainly possible that you can be doing the sacraments and your heart is far from God
See it's interesting because, as a Catholic, I've been to many Protestant churches just like the ones she's describing, but I've also been to many that are the opposite. I still remember one year we were visiting family over Christmas and were invited to a late-night Christmas Eve service at my Uncle's Methodist church. It's a tiny simple church in a small rural town, but I still remember that service being the most warm and fulfilling Christmas service I've ever been to. I love going to Catholic mass and I find it very peaceful, but that one service at his church still stands out to me.
That uncle just so happens to be my Godfather. And you might be wondering, why as a Catholic do I have a non-Catholic Godparent? Well, my parents knew he and my Godmother are the most loyal, loving, and faithful Christians and to them, choosing him meant having a close loving family member who would always care for us and guide us spiritually was better than having a Catholic distant relative that we weren't super close with. My younger brother and I share the same set of Godparents for the same reason, which is another departure from tradition.
Now that I'm an adult, I firmly believe my parents made the right choice in choosing them. To this day, my bond with my Godparents are the strongest that I have with any of my other aunts and uncles, bar none, and they've both guided me immensely in my faith.
So I guess my point is, even though I agree with her opinion that a lot of Protestant churches are very secular in their practices, I still think that's not true across the board. Protestants are capable of having as much or as little faith within their church as Catholics, and their services can be just as fulfilling.
Just curious is the title uncle or Godfather more emphasized in your relationship with this person? Do you call him uncle or Godfather?
The Catholic Church allowed you to have non Catholic godparents?
Protestants cannot have "more faith" or be "more fulfilling" in their services because they do not have the fullness of truth or faith and also don't have the Eucharist. They are dead members of the Body of Christ and you should not be attending their heretical and schismatic "services".
@@Murph_gaming I call him Uncle but all of his birthday cards are Godfather cards lol. It's more casual. Same thing with my Godmother, who is my aunt.
@maddiemaccheese8170 ok and thanks! I was wondering how that worked when godparents are also family members.
If my family and I didn’t convert from Protestantism to Catholicism, I would have left God.
Thank the Lord for His Divine guidance!
Unless you were a Christian you didn't leave Him and it wasn't God that guided you to the Catholic church.
..........did you assume all protestant churches are the same based on a couple you went to? And I don't get the rock concert thing.....secular music? Because there are guitars or something? We aren't singing secular music. Y'all are stereotyping us and its getting old.
I traveled across the USA 🇺🇸 and overseas. Some Protestant communities are as she described. The Evangelical ones especially in Developing Nations are more so.
I even visited Buddhist ☸ temples, Hindu 🕉 temples, (Jewish ✡ ) synagogues 🕍 and mosques 🕌 .
These worship sites give me a boomerang: they all lead me back to the Catholic Church ⛪.
Thanks for sharing!
All religions point inevitably to Christ and the Catholic Church. Welcome home
@@DRAGNFLYThanks 😊 I was tempted and shown other religions. I experimented. But, I never left.
Protestant church was invented by a Catholic.
People forget that GOD made ALL types of music and different music can touch different people,why judge,praise God that people do come to GOD because a song touched their spirit. This spirit of division is disgusting
Yeah,a genre isn't necesarily bad UNTIL it's corrupted with promoting sin,that's where the problem roots,in it's use,not in the music genre itself.
I understand that some people might not like certain types of worship because it's "too modern/secular" or "very old fashioned" but just because it doesn't suits them,doesn't means it's "wrong".
Never been to a single protestant church like what she is describing... Closest thing to that was a youth retreat I went to several times when I was a teen and even that we had our own music that was explicitly Christian.
Doesn’t matter if you haven’t many have like myself.
In my country, substantially all of protestant churches are like what she described.
That’s all I grew up with was what she described.
I was raised Catholic but my husband attended only Evangelical Protestant Churches exactly like the ones she described.
He hated it. Couldn’t wait to move out of his parent’s house to stop going to them.
there are tons of protestant churches like that.
It’s not about the denomination it’s about having a relationship with Jesus Christ
And if I told you you can have a super, deep, and endless journey in life to enrich and empower that relationship, wouldn't you say *_"absolutely"?_*
Great, because you should!
Where do you go and what do you do to enrich your love for Christ?
I'll tell you exactly where and how: the Catholic Church, and partaking in the Eucharist: Christ's Body and Blood which was given up for you, me and every sinner throughout all time. That means in the past, the present, and yet to come: all of us, sinners and all...He loves you THAT much.
Does that sound so bad? It shouldn't! It's what Christ asked all of us to do, when He stated "Amen amen, I say to you: unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life I you," and, "unless you are born again in the water and the spirit, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God."
I just gave you 2 scripture passages that, though paraphrased slightly, are points that Christ makes HIMSELF, magnifying and stressing the importance of the sacrament of Baptism (water and the spirit; born again in), and the Eucharist (eat my flesh, drink my blood, no life in you).
Try to really understand that, and look into that further. Please try to be open minded about all of this, because if you are and you begin to open your eyes more to this, you will see how much it matters to have a true relationship with the Lord. He has left us instructions, and guidance in more than just the Bible, but also in the traditions and living body and the life of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
God bless you.
Actually, it does and Catholicism and protestants are neither one of them. God does have a people on this earth. Acts 15:14. They will come and find you at your home. Acts 20:20.
@@Peaceful_Gojira catholicism and protestants, violate the new commandment of the Christ, which is love. John 13:34,35. By not informing their congregations, that it is wrong to participate in the wars of the nations, they are constituting themselves as false religion. She is responsible for all those slaughtered on the Earth. Revelation 18:24.
@@valerieash what are you trying to say I don’t understand what message you’re trying to convey
@@blakelarson333 what I’m trying to say to you is God does have a people here on earth. It is their responsibility to make disciples of people of all the nations teaching them.Matthew 28:19,20. Matthew 24:14. You don’t have to look for them they will look for you. Not to say you cannot search yourself and pray to God that the truth will come to you. But to have a special relationship with God, you have to associate with his people. Hebrews.10:24,25. This is where you will be fed, Spiritual food. Matthew 24:45. The members of Catholicism and protestants are not fed by this faithful slave.
It took me 5 tries to leave catholocism, but I finally gave it up for lent in 1997. Permanently. I had read and understood the gospel message for the first time in my life..not spoon fed by the misselette, but reading the entire Bible helped me understand that I was an idol worshipper and a sinner. That broke my heart. The Lord saved me!
@wenmar3837 The Catholic Church is the church Christ Himself started- we know because of apostolic succession. If you think Catholics "worship idols, " you were poorly catechized, alas. Perhaps you can study the Early Church- it was what the Catholic Church is.
Yes. That’s why I came home🇻🇦
I left the Catholic Church and found Jesus at a Calvary Chapel Church. The Catholic Church never taught me to read the Bible and even dissuaded me from reading it. It built roadblocks between me and God by telling me I had to go through intercessionaries to talk to God. There is comfort in the high church rituals, but distance built between me and my Savior.
I hear you and I have a long story and the Catholic parish I attend as much as I believe in the foundations of Catholic religion my connection is with Jesus unfortunately other than the youth ministry connection which is beautiful the adult cradle Catholic behavior is racist Territorial and bigoted I hate to say that I'm glad there are the Hispanic and Filipino Catholic groups I wish they weren't segregated but they are but they give me a sense of comfort in Christ and Humanity the Anglo cradle Catholic culture just completely rubs me the wrong way I never thought I'd have to say this but here I am a newer to Catholicism but older to Christ coming from a cosmopolitan San Francisco Bay Area culture of classical music and a lot of beautiful Asian culture as well here I come to this part of California where the Anglo culture is rather closed bigoted territorial
Do you even attend daily mass? because if you do you will hear Bible reading everyday... I never understood the vague accusation of the protestants who say 'Catholic Church dissuaded me from reading Bible'.
Also all traditional Catholics have night prayer with family where they read bible and do prayers. Was that not the case for you?
"Catholic Church ⛪ dissuaded me from reading 📚 the Bible." My response: that is not in the CCC. I am in Gen X. I traveled overseas (outside of the USA 🇺🇸). No priest, other clergy member, nun, professor/teacher in a Catholic institution ever discourages anybody from reading 📚 the Bible, anywhere.
A Mass or any other Church service is steeped in the Bible.
Rites and rituals are sacramental = they bring you closer to Jesus. You need to be re-evangelized.
Your lying
She’s talking about “Protestant churches” using a broad word to define a small portion of the adherents. There’s plenty of Protestant churches that aren’t like what she’s talking about. In fact, “secular music”? I don’t know a single church that sings secular music outside the odd Christmas song during that time of year. No idea where she was going.
Well, I guess she was not in all 35000 different churches
It’s so hard to have conversations when everyone acts like a snowflake picking apart every single thing someone says to get offended. She was speaking on her own personal experience.
They're Catholics, they're generally clueless.
@@elijeremiah1058 Yes, and I am here clarifying that her personal experience doesn’t account for all of Protestant churches 🤷♂️
I used to go to a Presbyterian church that was quite evangelical in worship style and doctrine. Once in a great while, they may be a secular song However, the sermons weren’t highly Reformed. They were strong, however, with morality.
And curiously, this was actually a PC(USA) church.
I came from a protestant background, went through Catholic Catechism, but didn't feel quite right with it enough to commit to the church due to some of their teachings. Back I went to church hopping until I learned about Orthodoxy, I fell in love with God in His Holy sacraments, tradition and the historical understanding of where we came from. For me, this is the only way to experience church as the disciples were led to create it.
There’s definitely some truth to what she says about some of the mainstream “Evangelical“ churches, where they cater services towards the individual. However, most of your historical Protestant churches, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Baptists, etc particularly those that hold to conservative Protestantism, these churches services focus entirely on God. That is what sola scriptura is all about, because scripture is focused entirely on God. so lumping all other protestant church services with contemporary Americanized person centered evangelical services is a bit of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Plus, it doesn’t really represent truly conservative protestant services.
Not all Protestant churches are that way
No they're not. But, because there is. That's a red flag. One Faith, One Baptism, One God.
You're ALL the same regardless of the differing opinions and variations. Youre all of the same fake Jesus.
True, but they are radical off shoots from the radical christians that rebelled from the catholic church.
Each iteration of protestant christian being less like the original church than the last
Protestantism is still wrong. Catholicism is right.
@@zacmystrMormons say the same thing
I see what she’s saying, but I don’t think this is just a Protestant problem. The Catholic Churches in my area have the least Christian Christian’s and community youve ever met. Most of them would say they are cultural Catholics; they really don’t believe in much and bend to the culture more than most people I know due to wanting to be “good people”. I started going to a baptist church for this reason when I came back to God. Not because they were Baptist, but because they didn’t bow to the culture or make it a feel good sermon. It’s challenging, biblically based, and has an engaging Christian community. Regardless of denomination, look for a church that has that. It’s silly to pretend the Catholic Church hasn’t become Americanized or bent to woke culture. Hell look at what’s happening with the Catholic Church in Germany even. Catholic Churches may stick to tradition aesthetically, but otherwise they face the same problem Protestant churches do.
Parishes can be very different. If one wasn’t faithful to the faith, I’d look for another. However, when I became Catholic at age 48, I knew I could never go anywhere else because I was encountering the living Jesus in the Eucharist.
"Biblically based" he says as he doesn't recieve the Body and Blood of Christ. As he cluelessly wonders "what's this thing about the keys to the kingdom of Heaven?", "huh what's this authority to bind and lose?". You can claim to be Biblically based but the only church that's Biblically based is the Church that compiled the Bible. You're always welcome to join Christ's Church at any time though!
Lotta value in the Catholic Church presently and historically for sure. To pretend it isn’t bowing to culture the same way other denominations are is silly. To pretend there aren’t divides in the Catholic church and between parishes is even sillier. Your ad hominem attack makes you sound defensive @xymage. That’s usually not a sign of confidence. Do better. I’ll assume the invitation at the end is a gesture of good will though, thanks brother.
@@MOTM_ That wasn't an ad hominem attack. Swap "ad hominem" and "personal," and you'll have an easier time telling what's personal or not. Now, let's deal with your argument.
"Divides" depend on what you mean. Do you mean disagreements on Dogma and Doctrine? I suppose their could be, but that's completely irrelevant to my argument, and I'm uncertain if you read my comment at all. Anyway, even if a certain parish was in disagreement with the Church, this doesn't disprove the Catholic Church in the slightest, just because someone is wrong doesn't disprove the original idea they disagree with. If someone thinks 2 + 2 = 4 is racist doesn't mean 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4.
Lastly, I'm not sure what you mean by "bowing to culture." The Catholic Church is the only Church remaining that hasn't bowed to the culture in the slightest. Contraceptives are still banned [except for medical use in specific contexts not related to impeeding life]. Divorce is still banned. Female "priests" still aren't allowed. The Church still doesn't recognize homosexual "marriage." I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one because I know if you just listen to the media you'll believe all sorts of silly things, I'd like to remind you that the media is only there to drum up attention and what better way to do it than to mock Christ's Church.
So next time you want to respond to a comment, let's avoid claiming a logical fallacy that's not even present and make sure that when you respond to a comment critiquing you or something you said you make sure you've addressed the points presented or else you'll run into a situation like this where you completely ignored my comment and just called me rude. That's usually not a sign of confidence. Do better 😋.
@@MOTM_ to pretend the Catholic Church *is* bowing to cultural pressure is silly.
There are individuals pushing but things haven't changed.
We don't have women priests or bishops.
We don't allow divorce and remarriage.
We don't allow contraception.
We don't allow homosexual "marriage" or clergy.
The German bishops are about to put themselves in schism if they don't knock it off.
There are individuals, including priests and bishops, that behave badly and advocate and push for change, but they're not getting their way, not in terms of Church teaching.
One thing I will grant you, there is indeed a certain malaise and cultural lukewarmness among many Catholic groups and parishes, including among the laity, that doesn't boldly proclaim the teaching of the Church and seems to want it to change.
But it hasn't changed
Secular music? Praise/worship music isn't secular.
Yes it is, Catholic and Orthodox have developed sacred music over thousands of years based on the music that was sang in the Temple. Even if songs have religious lyrics, if they still have secular styles, they are profane and are not as set apart as they ought be for worship.
@kafirking6230 Secular: "denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis.
"secular buildings" words have meaning so let's not misuse them.
@Murph_gaming Sacred music is set apart from secular use and only used for worship, to use secular genres and styles for the purpose of worship is profanation, that is to mean to make the holy more ordinary and thus less fitting for the glory of God. If you listen to the great works of the Church like miserere mei, ave verum corpus, salutaris hostia and the very many others and compare that to praise and worship songs that mimic secular music it is very clear that one is more beautiful, transcendent and fitting for the worship of God.
@kafirking6230 it's the lyrics that make something secular or not, and not the style.
@Murph_gaming That is very obviously not true, hip hop or metal cannot be made holy and sacred, whereas Gregorian chant naturally lifts your heart and fixes you on the transcendent. Lyrics are important, but the way in which they are delivered is equally so. The chanting of ancient hymns and prayers cannot be compared to praise and worship as Gregorian chant and polyphony were specifically designed for worship, unlike praise and worship, which copied secular music genres to be more entertaining and relevant. Please listen to any Gregorian chant or polyphonic piece like Palestrina's sicut cervus, Mortzart's domine Jesu or any of the music I mentioned in my last post and tell me they are not more beautiful than any praise and worship song. That is important as all beauty points to God.
1) The Church was apostolic from the beginning. There wasn't even a Bible during the time of the first Christians, which were martyrs who died for their faith. Protestant seem to ignore that they only have 66 books in their Bibles because the reformers who claimed that only the Bible has authority removed 7 books from the original Bible used by the Catholic Church which has 73 books (and Eastern Orthodox Bibles have 81 books).
If the Bible for most of Christianity (West-Catholics, Eastern-Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, etc.) at the time of the Protestant reformation had at least 73 books, it is contradictory that their reformers removed at least 7 books, and that they actually believe the Bible is the authority.
2. They have zero knowledge of Church history, or even how Christianity is practiced in most of the world. The protestant church is the main form of Christianity in the US, but most Christians in the world (about 1.2billion) are Catholic, and there are many nations with Catholic roots. They know even less about the Orthodox, Coptos, and other Oriental churches, and how all of them are apostolic (because they follow the tradition that started from the first Christians) and much more similar to the Catholic Church than the protestant churches. They think the Catholic Church is only the Roman Catholic Church because they don't understand that the Catholic Church also has 23 Eastern Churches (Maronite, Byzantine, etc.), and that the protestant branches are 100% Western-European in their roots, and that Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, and Sola Gratia (ironically terms in Latin) are non-existent in any other form of Christianity with roots outside of Europe (Northern / Central Europe).
3. They don't understand that all other Christian churches (much older than any protestant denomination with roots in Northern and Central Europe), and not just the Catholics, venerate the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Theotokos, and also venerate the saints. It's funny given how much they emphasize the authority of the Bible but always forgive these two very interesting verses:
"41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was FILLED with the HOLY GHOST [Holy Spirit]:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb."
Luke 1:41-42
King James Version [Protestant Bible]
And
"31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
Matthew 12:31, KJV
The Holy Spirit filled Elizabeth to venerate Our Lady, and the protestants in general (not all, as originally Martin Luther was not against venerating Our Lady) consider this to be a non-Christian practice. They are resisting making an echo to what the Holy Spirit is telling us to say, as He did with Elizabeth, and even call it wrong, which to me is resisting the Holy Spirit and maybe even a bit of a blasphemy for calling something good a bad thing.
Note that the Hail Mary prayer takes actual Bible Verses and puts them together, so it is not a heresy to repeat this verses. Also note that the origin of the Hail Mary is the East (now Orthodox churches), and those Eastern churches also pray the Hail Mary, although they have other devotions that they may practice more.
Amen Sister! So beautifully said. I feel so lucky to have been raised Catholic and am not shy about sharing why our faith is so special with others. 🙏🏼💕
Damn... This is so true! I felt the same way. I was raised Roman Catholic and went to the Protestant church searching for an "easier, softer way" aka things that aligned with MY beliefs, and ended up with the fullness of the faith. Brothers and sisters, come back to Catholicism!
She's been to some weird Protestant Churches...
nah bro lets be honest most protestant churches like that, for me if there are no sacraments, no scriptural teachings, and no mass then that is no church
most people complain about the whole saints and Mary thing but even though i think their prayers are important again for me a church has to have a Christ and Scriptural centered faith and it has to have the sacraments and also mass, because i really dont get why people go to church to hear a sermon or have scripture being read to them, i just dont get it... like yea some sermons are good and we get to learn from Scripture but where is the sacrifice for God? its no longer for God but for ourselves
@@elmayonezotebe4245 Not like that in any CofE or Methodist that I've been to.
@@elmayonezotebe4245my church has music in the begining then we do prayer then scripture then a last prayer again. Other days we have other things mixed in too but a typical Sunday is just as that… I don’t find it bad? It’s not as crazy fancy as I have seen some online but I feel it’s a good mix and is a good church environment. You get the songs you get the prayer you get the teachings and the scripture ect.
@@elmayonezotebe4245but may I ask what you mean by “sacrifice to god” in a church setting? I’m new to it all so I’m not to sure what church has to offer to the fullest
In india catholic Church is a help but they can't reach and haven't reached millions of Indians but only protestants have
Thank You I'v felt like this and wanted to share it with others. Thank You for sharing it 🙏
False religion vs commercialized religion. Reject both and choose Christ
Should have come to a Mennonite church, or any conservative protestant denomination. There are plenty of conservative protestant churches that aren't like this.
Actually mennonites don't follow the true Jesus that Protestants do. The former (the mennonites) believe that God Himself came down and had a baby with Mary and thus Jesus was born. However, Protestant believe the account of Jesus' birth as it was written in the Bible that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit, which gave Him His divine nature as God while at the same time taking the form of a human being. It also enabled Jesus to not be born of sin, but of God, making Him God's Son (the Holy spirit is one of three persons in the Holy Trinity). These are the facts about Jesus which made Him qualified to be able to overcome sin and thus be the perfect sacrifice on the cross for the sins of all people. He is both man and God at the same time and He is the only one time sacrifice who ended the need for all animal sacrifices.
And we still have to eat Him as He said, if we don’t, we won’t have life within us.
@@sopad4629 Yes, Jesus said that He is the bread of life and the living water! Hallelujah!!
We need to be careful about despising the worship of other believers. There are likely many sincere believers rejoicing in our Lord in the big E church she described and to disparage them because it is not to our liking can put us in a place similar to Michal despising David's exuberant worship before the Lord.
The hymns from centuries ago were once considered like the Christian rock of today. As long as they are God-centered, they are leading us to worship our Lord!
Exactly and speaking of demographics apparently the demographics of Catholicism has a huge bearing and difference unfortunately I'm noticing this as a newer to Catholic culture this parish is bigoted segregated territorial bottom line the hypocrisy is palpable I understand about the sacraments I take them seriously the homilies are often highly critical of non-catholic everything when the non-catholic Ministries where I also serve are helping the marginal and the desperate in this area
Their mouths / words flatter God but the music is far from him.
Please don’t speak if you don’t know🤦♂️ I apologize I have to speak to you like this, but brother we can’t worship god anyway we want we have to worship him the way he want in his glory and reverence, and I’m pretty sure hymns where never hated considering it’s tradition😅
@@vowelsounds6312, It is and always will be about the heart of His followers. It doesn't matter if a lyre, an organ, or an electric guitar are used. If you are praising and loving the Lord and inviting His Spirit to inhabit you, that is true worship.
@@Job.the.sufferer, the first clue you potentially aren't connect to God is that you don't capitalize Him, showing a lack of reverence for our Lord. Second, it is always about the heart of the worshipper, not the instruments used to worship. There was no organ in the time of Jesus (or Moses, David, or any other Biblical figures) and no instruction manual on the "appropriate" way to worship Him. You sound like a Pharisee. Ditch your man-made traditions and worship the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul.
Her words nailed it! “ It’s not about us, it’s about Him!”
I actually can relate with this woman to a degree. When I was exiting Mormonism i went to a slew of non-denominational churches. The megachurch feel felt so corporatized where the goal of the church was to happily feed content that would satifsy itching ears. So consumer based and not God based. They never preached the gospel either, ever. Never knew why I needed the Lord, that I was a sinner etc.
I got saved in 2015 by God's grace and go to a traditional church now. No pop music, just God fearing hymns. No consumer based "worship" but rather the whole Bible being preached. At the end of the day, God's Word is what changes you, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing hy the Word of God. Acknowledging and meditating on Gods Word is paramount, and no religious service take it's place.
I am a Protestant I am very fulfilled!!!
Same here. I pray that this young lady finds Jesus again.
Amen! God bless her.
Same bro.
May be what you find in it is what you were looking for not real worshiping but other things may be music, dancing, or your favorite preacher.
@@aleksandrasialtsis4382 Don't worry, she found Him.
He's at the altar. She consumes Him as He commanded us: "Amen amen I say to you: unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you."
Christ was pretty straight forward about that, and yet there are so many prot churches that don't do the Eucharist anymore...where does it say in the Bible to throw up hands and sing alleluia 20X to make it true? Or to gather in a church building? Or to have the Easter and Christmas services as a holiday? Oh right, it's not in the Bible. Why? Because someone 1000+ years ago needed to interpret it. Who did that? The Doctors and Early Fathers of the Church: St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Gregory, St. Irenaeus, and so on and so forth.
The Bible is a Catholic book, the Church is the institute Christ founded...Prot churches are not founded by Christ, they are man-made...why would Christ, the great unifier and victor over sin and death itself, ask someone in the 1510s to SPLIT from His own church? Really think about that, and really try to justify the necessity to leave the communion of Christ's Church because of some sinners being bad leaders...if that's the excuse, then no one should be American right now, because we have a bad leader in office rn.
Sincerely, I pray and hope you come home to the Faith and One True Church.
God bless.
The irony of lofi music being played in the background (as opposed to e.g. Gregorian chant)
No irony there, this was an interview and not a mass.
She is describing a place of worship. Outside of place of worship, if you want to listen to rock music that is good and talks about Christ, there is no problem, the problem that she is describing is that during worship it's more a show and a mockery than true worship and adoration of God, than true communion or silence to reflect and think of God. This is actually an issue in some Catholic churches after Vatican II, but it never gets to the level of these mega churches.
She put Protestant church in a box of only a small fraction of Protestant churches so obviously either she doesn’t know or she may have had Catholicism as an influence.
She's not wrong about the idolatry of some Protestant services, but jumping out of the frying pan into the fire of multiple cultic aspects of the idolatrous catholic church is the height of hypocrisy.
I see nothing but hypocrisy in this Catholic Church
Another completely uninformed comment. Actually research the CC yourself and you will see that these kinds of accusations are just not true.
You wanna take the low blow route and call the Catholic Church a cult, then fine: it is a cult. Guess who our Cult leader is, cuz believe it or not, it ain't the Pope...can ya guess? That's right: Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, consubstantial with the Father, who was born before all ages (God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God). Idolatry is such an easy game to play, that next time you make a big deal about something more than God Himself and actually choose something over God, recognize that it may've been idolatry. Not promising it is, but it may be.
Lord have mercy on these sinners...have mercy on all of us sinners...
Partly similar reasons why reformed drew me. The full gospel was continually preached, and reverence was given in the right direction.
Amen, same
Amen! I am a Reformed Christian (Presbyterian PCA) and ex-Catholic. And I am blessed to have strong Reformed preaching.
Christians are not suppost to go empty to church to get filled, but to be filled with the Holy Spirit and love to go to church and serve the Lord and others. ❤🔥
This clip is not edifying to the body of Christ. It is only sowing disunity and only serves to act against Jesus’ prayer for his church: that we would all be one. There is no constructive criticism here. Only ignorance. This is bad click bait, and I expect more from this channel than uninformed Protestant bashing … it makes me want to unsubscribe. If I ever see something like this again, I will. Take it down. It’s gross.
Why so sensitive?
Protestants that don't participate in the Re-presentation of Calvary are already not in unity with the Church.
Why can't it be pointed out that services without the worship and sacrifice are lacking what God planned for His people?
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal The objection is that she is characterizing "the Protestant church in America today" but describing a very non-Protestant experience. She is describing something else.
@@mj6493 no, that was not his objection.
His objection was that her opinion sows disunity.
My contention is that we are already divided, why can't we point out that the re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice is the worship that God intended for us to have, not just a prayer service?
@@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal But the REASON that this video sows disunity is that it so misrepresents Protestant teaching and worship. Almost all Protestants do believe in the re-presentation, or at least re-membrance (anamnesis), of the sacrifice of Christ at the cross. The cross of Christ is central to Protestant worship. Admittedly, not always at street level, but if that is your standard, most Catholics are just as confused. By the way, communion among Catholics was rare during the Reformation era. It was the Protestants who argued for frequent communion and partaking of both the body AND blood of Christ.
She’s been going to the wrong Protestant church
Another straw-man argument against Protestant churches: pick on the non-denominational churches and pretend that the traditional, mainline churches don't exist. Also, she said that Protestant churches are Americanized. Umm, America was founded by mostly super traditional Protestant churches--you can even say that the Puritans/Congregationalists were more conservative and traditional than the Catholic Church at the time.
Puritans were one of the best eras of American Protestant history.
Puritans can't be more traditional that the literal tradition of the Early Church, which is Catholicism.
Get real
I love the litergy of AALC, Latvian, and Serbian Lutheran churches and the traditional, historic presbyterian and Dutch Reformes ones. I'm always convicted by the sermons and use them to grow in my walk with Christ.
Wow se expresa muy bien y hace una muy buena descripción de lo que pasa. Que gusto que regresara a casa. Bienvenida de vuelta ❤❤❤❤
How you "feel" is irrelevant. Is the theology sound, should be the question. Catholic theology is so riddled with pagan beliefs systems it's simply not sound.
There's nothing pagan about Catholicism
Exactly
There are no pagan beliefs in Catholicism. The Church pretty much eliminated paganism from western civilization by preaching the gospel all over the world. What have you done?
Where did you get your theology? Where did you get your Bible? Who told you these things?...answer: Catholics. Because until the 1500s thats all their was. So in short, no they aren't Pagan. They are the True Church Christ founded.
@jbeck1234 i agree with you up until the 1500 year, search what happend in 1054, its called "The Great Schism"
Such a great testimony. Thank you!
I love Isabel! That’s awesome that you brought her on!
Such a beautiful experience she had. Once you find the TRUE faith, there is no other that can fill your soul!!!!!!!
This is false teaching. We are all united under Christ and this catholic vs protestant retoric is harmful and certainly not biblical. Paul in many of his letters scolds the early churches for being so legalistic and restrictive, working against the kingdom of God.
I find that theologically the Catholic church is deeper. Not that some Protestant denominations don't encompass excellent theology, but the breadth, depth and time element of Catholic theology, for me, can't be beat.
I think most people who are arguing about dominations have forgotten about the lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
That's why there are different denominations. We need to find what allows us to worship. If you're more comfortable in a Catholic Church, stay there.
There's a very deliberate twisting going on in the protestant churches, just takes a little bit of digging into the ecumenical movement to figure this out.
The kiss of truth. It is gentle and it is full of dedication to and from God. It smacks with selfless honor. I am Catholic and a big part of why is precisely what this young lady talks about. It is not about us and our beliefs. It is about God.
My pastor is taking 24 weeks to go through Ephesians, every single time I go I feel very fulfilled. I think your attitude towards it will influence how you feel. I’ve been to mass a few times, didn’t know what was going on, but I knew it I had grown up Catholic I’d probably see it differently. If I go to a bunch of Catholic Churches just so I can prove to myself I like mine better… does it really count? I’ve also been to other Protestant churches and walked out feeling like he was blabbing the whole time (plus they had two cameras following the singers around and I have a major problem with that, if you’re up there singing or playing it’s not about you at all). Find a church that works for you, I’m glad if someone is going to church in the first place.
There are Protestant churches that do actually preach the Gospel and not vague sermons catering to the secular culture. Adding to that, the sermons aren't the only source of biblical wisdom and interpretation. Classes and studies outside of the Sunday sermon are at the root of a biblically grounded church.
Yes the same reason why I left it’s basically a rock concert
It really depends on the community and the specific church you go to. I hear so many people think the one church they visit or grew up in represents the whole faith.
Amplified Version Act 4:12 Amen
I went to a Traditional Roman Catholic Church until l left it and now l go to a Non-denominational Worship filled Church and l have learned to love it!!!
Why??? *Because the same Holy Spirit l felt when l was saved, He is still with me* We are to worship God in SPIRIT and Truth!! God Bless.
Ive got a lot of those rock band churches around me. I go to an older Baptist church, but theyre no longer in their hayday and it makes me sad. I miss the old fashioned Baptist church vibe, and the community and strong presence of God that came along with it
Yes I definitely can relate to video: Being a former Baptist for 25 years I’ve traveled and toured many of the popular evangelical churches and helped set up many the music and worship services programs. But the feeling of emptiness or something lacking was always there! Finally coming back to Catholic Church as a older adult I could definitely see and experience the Eucharist of our lord Jesus Christ.
I agree with this woman and praise God for her reversion! And I also agree with the comments here that there are Protestant churches that are not the stereotypical non-denom megachurch scene she described. There are Protestant churches out there that are very reverent and similar to Catholic and Orthodox tradition (e.g., "high churches"), so I wouldn't necessarily use this as an apologetics argument for Catholicism, since afterall there are Catholic parishes out there that commit liturgical abuses in their Mass, so is that an argument against the Catholic Church? Absolutely not! Those parishes are just some bad examples that are not meant to represent the Church as a whole.
Instead, I would focus on the Real Presence of Jesus' Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the Eucharist that is only present in the Catholic Church (and Orthodox Church). No matter how reverent/traditional/cozy a church may make us feel, it is still nothing without the Full Real Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. That would be like a Bride attending her grand wedding without her Groom present there in-person. It may be an impressive and beautiful wedding, but it is still lacking without the Groom present.
Most Protestant churches follow the traditions outlined by the bible just refuse to follow the authority of man over the bible. We read the eyewitness testimony we read letter of the apostles and we base our church of those writings
From the original video - but I always felt unfulfilled mostly in the non-dom world and the non-demonational world because... This video cuts bits out. There are plenty of Protestant churches where the focus is on God, which is where it should be.
That's great! But Church is about God. It's not full if the Holy Eucharist is not present.
@@israeliana Some Protestant churches have the Eucharist in every service but for others it's just once a month or less.
The meaning of this Eucharist or for some Holy Communion will vary across different Protestant churches.
@@pc-w8844 Holy Eucharist. As in with the Transconfiguration. I'm talking about the actual Body and Blood of Christ.
Not the "symbolic" events happening at Protestant churches.
Only the Catholic and Orthodox churches have the Holy Eucharist. The real Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
And there is scientific evidence to back the real presence. There has been human blood spontaneously arising out of the Holy Eucharist and other miracles.
In short, the Holy Eucharist is not symbolic, it is really turned into Christ by Ordained Priests.
@@pc-w8844 the Holy Eucharist is only at the Catholic and Orthodox churches.
The Transconfiguration must happen to make it the Real Body of Christ and it is done by Ordained Priests.
This is nothing like the symbolic "Eucharist" event at Protestant churches.
@@israeliana When I regularly attended Catholic mass last year I used to believe in transubstantiation but I no longer do but rather consubstantiation.
Anyway, I have a lot of time and respect for my Catholic friends and we shouldn't be arguing against each other. The edit on this video feels wrong regardless.
Its not this church or that church.
Read the word and as God to reveal the truth to you.
We are all unique so a church that is perfect for you and your relationship with God is important. As long as they teach you the Word of God!
So that church might work well for you yet not for me.
I've never been to a church with secular music?( I go to pentecostal church)
The songs are amazing, & they all lead you to be in the presence of God.
So Sunday mornings are for fellowship & big broad strokes, making sure you’re on the same track. Small groups are for personal connections, discipleship, & to ask questions. Finding an elder member of the church is about personal mentorship & guidance. Finally reading the Bible daily is where you grow your roots & really begin to understand who God is & cultivate a personal relationship. It doesn’t matter what denomination of church you are in. That church is a collection of your brothers & sisters in Christ. You measuring your intentions & the reading the Bible will always be your foundation. If you still feel like Sunday morning is the best part of your walk with God, that means you’re not spending personal time with him.
I go to both catholic mass and a baptist church! I used to hate contemporary christian music but after being born again I understand the lyrics deeply and love how much they glorify God. The lyrics are better than the actual music itself but i dont really care about that so much, i find joy in praising the Lord who saved me and singing those words to him of gratitude.
As a protestant, I've criticized churches for the same exact stuff. Only thing I'd disagree with (apart from Catholicism being the solution), is the concept of "secular music". I just reject that category. I don't think it makes any sense the way people use it.
Let every man work his own soul salvation.
This just sounds like someone liking a stick shift vs an automatic car.
My new gage of a good church is “ does it make me want to dive into scripture?”
Only my current church has made me feel that. The rest were very feel good messages which I wasn’t about.
I’m finding your analogy fitting. Can we compare the “mash pit / rock concert” format to buying and selling sacrificial animals in Jesus’s times.
@@vowelsounds6312 I think you mean “mosh pit” but i would talk about animal sacrifice as a substitution for our death. I don’t get your analogy unfortunately.
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@@kayr6813 My comparison is from Malachi Chapter One when God addresses the sacrifice of worthless animals instead of the best from their flocks.
IMO, Contemporary Christian music / the songs being sung in churches today are nothing more than second rate, fragments of pop tunes matched with condescending, pseudo-Christian doggerel to accommodate a contemporary culture that can’t see itself for the vogue-ing, lukewarm, bunch of swaying posers that they are. . . that refuse to imbibe and sing en masse as one the inspirational classics of the faith which have united us in repentance, given us reason for hope, and edified saints for generations.
Instead of presenting the Almighty with our truest and best, we find self delusional excuses to substitute half hearted, half secular, lukewarm musical offerings which He’s already said He feels like . . . spewing from His mouth.
@@vowelsounds6312 “truest and best” according to who? You? I don’t disagree that there is vague music out there (especially when it doesn’t point to Christ) but a blanket statement that all music after a certain year is false worship is too broad a statement. I have a personal relationship with the creator of everything and he has perked my ears up to music that has questionable lyrics or even a “worldly” sound to it, and called me to be discerning in that manner. You are entitled to your opinions but only God knows what is in hearts when we worship him, so it is improper to come to spiritual conclusions about every person who listens to songs that come after a certain year or aren’t “traditional“
God desires obedience over sacrifice and it is up to Him to tell us what that looks like. If certain songs stumble people they shouldn’t listen to them. If being overly strict in what they listen to gets them in a works based mindset pulling them away from God then He wouldn’t want that either and would tell them what is best for them if they are in prayer and His word. Paul talks about this type of liberty in 1st Corinthians 8.
For clarity I am not writing this with an upset attitude it is just a conversation. Yours very much feels like an attack. No compassion or concern that others might be led astray which is what it sounds like you think but spoken with condemnation and judgment. I’m reminded on Romans 8:1. Encouraging people to seek out music that doesn’t please the flesh but pleases the spirit and glorifies God. I was listening to king of kings the other day and it plainly the story of the gospel and glorifying God. reminding me that the goodness of God leads us to repentance and ultimately Christ.
Because it’s a spiritual issue and personally relational issue we are talking about I don’t think that there is a right or wrong answer. There is a right and wrong heart. We shouldn’t be like the pharisees we should be like the disciples.
The roots of her own faith (the Catholic tradition) are also based in a particular culture, just not our current one. It’s a mistake to say that because the practices are old, that they transcend culture. The beliefs indeed do transcend, but the attire, the music, the architecture, etc were based in the culture of that time. Is it wrong to bring the Christian faith into modern culture with modern attire, musical genre and other things? No, it’s not. Modern sounding music is not essentially secular music, and the fact that it promotes memorization is good and is also what liturgy does in a high church. A pastor tailoring sermons to his congregation does not mean that the focus of service is not on God, it means that he is feeding the sheep the things from the word that are relevant to their own needs and directing them to God. She returned to Catholicism because that’s where she grew up. And that’s fine! We have our preferences, but her criticism (although true of many Protestant churches) is not a valid rebuke of them all.
That’s very insightful. I’m Lutheran. I wrestle with this a lot. On one side of it, we have an early service that is full of the pop music style and everyone with their hands in the air and I don’t feel like it’s very genuine or fulfilling at all. It doesn’t seem to me like their mind is set on God. I attend the later service which is traditional and I take part in service a lot. The message between the two services are the same, when it comes to the gospel and the sermon. But everything else about worship is different. And while I feel like the early service may have some folks who aren’t truly worshipping, that could also be true of the second service. During Jesus’ ministry, he spoke to all kinds of people. He sent his disciples out all over various regions to gather them in. When I think about that, they probably had to adjust to everyone’s unique culture, but the Word will always remain true, because the Word is God himself. As long as the gospel is being shared, God is with us. I understand entirely where you’re coming from, these are just my words of thought. God’s blessings to you on your faith journey sister. ❤
Exactly who I felt except I went a little bit deeper and found myself in orthodoxy! God bless Catholics and Orthodox ❤
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This young lady GETS IT! We’re not suppose to get something from mass. We are there to glorify and give thanks to our LORD!
Presbyterian, Reformed churches. Dutch reformed, Reformed Baptist. Not all protestant churches are the same
One of the ways you can look at true worship, is what you do or don't do when no one sees you, spent some time in a prayer room, learn what it means to die to self & lay your life for another, such things can't be done without Jesus, that's why I have relationship with Jesus, not saints or Mary etc. it's Jesus who healed me from cancer, freed me from addictions, and taught me how to live my life Christ centered.
To me what she explained is just that you have a find a church that fits you. Some people like that stuff and some people don’t. If you want a focus on the Bible itself within church find the church that has that. It’s just part of what we all have to navigate on our journey to have a deeper connection with god.
At my church we have a great pastor teacher. The first half of the svc is almost a rock concert , which i could do with less. I miss traditiinal svc. But thats my preference. I appreciate a good sermon that will stay with me for the week.
Catered toward SELF
As an orthodox christian, I will say this is probably one of the worst arguments and generalisations one could use against Protestantism
Try reformed baptist with traditional hymns. That’s where I go to church. It’s a thriving church and I love it
Is reformed Calvinism or is that something else just out of curiosity
Perfect description of the way Protestantism often drifts from God, not however a profound claim against the doctrine itself.
I’m a keyboardist heavily involved in contemporary worship events, the goal has always been to offer our skills in worship to God, not push an emotive response. It’s so easy for ego to get in the way, which is unfortunately why we see it so much in the church.
John the Baptist said
Matthew 3:11
“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire”.
It's about GOD,...and he gives us the Gospel and Body of Christ !!!