In 1976 I found a surface Clovis point on SC side of Savanna River miles east of North Augusta. Still have in my collection with rattlesnake buzzer that made it a challenge to collect in the corn field. An eye injury to go with it. Nice memory with an Army buddy too. At the time Clovis type & age doubted by scientific community to whom I reported the find. Now look at the evidence that exceeds 10 to 13k Clovis all way back to Pre-Clovis around 50k !!! Great evidence based work Dr. Moore & Dr. Goodyear !! Always enjoyed my volunteer work with the SC Arch Society & looks continued site surveys have been beneficial moving science of Early Man in America forward --- or should I say BACKWARD in time!! Dr. A
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People call me a conspiracy theorist but that was my exact response. “I just want to find something important.” I don’t want to sit around while the science is all pointing to a paradigm shift
When tribal information & archeology aligns, then you get the facts. “God gives us who we are. Since the beginning of time we have had family, Indian family in Georgia.” Elder 🦅 👁️
I lived abroad for a number of years and did some field archaeology volunteering and learned a lot about Neolithic, Mesolithic, and Paleolithic artifacts and sites. I returned to live in the US a few years ago. In the last few months I have come across artifacts and objects that resemble some of the things I used to find overseas which I find to be very intriguing. I live near a large river which at one time may have come further up the bank before it eroded down into its current path. I have found evidence of a lot of pebbles and pale colored sandy clays in the area and of course not far away I know for a fact that a tribe of Native Americans lived in this area for over 3000 years. That being said, some of the things that I found are now eroding out of a cut embankment which Is beneath the current forest floor. The more I find the more I want to get in there and actually start digging a trench or a pit to see what is in the strata. I wish someone else will take an interest in this part of South Carolina as well..
It is interesting to me that scientists, even today want to hold onto their beliefs instead of following the facts, the artifacts. So much for empirical study. Humans were here before the Clovis era. What other accepted “facts” do we need to reconsider? Thank you for putting this on UA-cam.
¡Bravo! Good work guys... great overview of a spectacular site... Dr. Goodyear shines bright. I hope other sites are on your radar as well. So much exciting stuff is going down right now... very exciting. Perhaps a Page-Ladson visit... it's certainly a good regional option and a great excuse to head to Florida. !!
Knowledge comes incrementally. We humans almost always get it wrong before we get it right. Which is OK, normal. One day we may know pretty precisely when the first humans set foot in the Americas.
Wonderful vid. Thanks for sharing this. I think it's becoming more and more clear that humans circa 50,000 years ago were in fact in contact with one another all around the world. You have evidence that Pre-dynastic Egyptians and Paleo-Indians in South America had shared knowledge of concrete. And here we see shared knowledge of stone tool making between peoples of North America and Europe.
Maybe it's just hundredth monkey stuff...our consciousness is all one and ideas are shared in a pot bigger than each of us...without need of physical contact
There is only so many ways to arrange a set of blocks. It’s not complicated. Give a bunch of kids that don’t know each other a block set and they will all build the same stuff. They don’t need to communicate with each other to accomplish this because blocks are not complex. You can only do so much with a rock. It’s not rocket science.
So are we saying the people who made these tools in 50000 BC were a separate people from the Native Americans / First Nations of today? Are we saying these people died out/ or were taken over and supplanted by the ancestors of the current Native American peoples?
siriusisastar Care to show me how they didn’t age well? I’m sure you will show me something that will change the body of the entire Archaeology and anthropology community? No one has yet..
The Beringia theory can allow remains up to about 23,000 years old in America through DNA evidence of the separated communities. This makes any find older than Clovis still not default to Solutrean Hypothesis. Exciting find nonetheless.
I agree 100% why is it that people made boats 40k years ago to to Australia but Solutreans didn't even though Europe and NE America was connected by thick ice and the gulf stream is perfect to navigate in the American direction
a paper in Sep 23 had dated human footprints found at White Sands Nat'l Park in New Mexico to 21 to 23,000 cal BP - long before clovis - long before the ice corridor - this more in line with the pre-clovis sites found around the americas - giving the alternative coastal migration theory from beringia a boost - with strong support from the DNA evidence pointing to the american indians originating in beringia when you consider there is no evidence of solutreans having seafaring skills - and leaving no evidence of landfall or trekking across the american continent - all the way to the west where the oldest clovis points are found - and doing what no other culture has done - clinging to a single stoneworking technology for thousands of years for everyone else - stoneworking technologies change - they changed in europe - the solutrean points disappearing long before clovis points appeared several thousand miles away and several thousand years away ("the gap" in the solutrean debate) - the clovis points themselves disappeared within a thousand years - yet those ghostly solutreans retained their old technology much longer than other peoples did the science behind solutreanism can be seen in the mastadon & the clovis point dredged up by the scallop boat named "Cinmar" - they were not seen in situ - they appeared in a single dredge pile - which is not proof they were extant at the same time - two bones found embedded in a rock cannot be assumed to be the same age - (i saw a documentary on 2 humanoid skulls found inches apart in a rock from a cave in greece - they were determined to have lived thousands of years apart) - artifacts found in loose dirt would be even less reliable - but artifacts from the turbulent seafloor (not even observed in situ) are simply unreliable for scientific analysis - yet Stanford & Bradley thought so and based the blade's date on the mastodon's radiocarbon date if you want to read a carefully laid-out dismissal of the solutrean hypothesis - search the web for "Rejecting the Solutrean hypothesis: the first peoples in the Americas were not from Europe" - the author is a geneticist
Is this site the actual chert quarry? If so why sandstone and not limestone? Is it possible these artifacts/lithics were displaced from somewhere upstream and deposited here by the river? If so, where did they originate?
And if there was some major flood or mud flood then a bit of the surface would be removed and moved downstream and it would mix with the surface artifacts with the lower artifacts when they settle.
Mainstream science has got to be WAY off. If you look at all the Clovis sites plus sites where clovis points have been found. The entire Eastern U.S. is covered with them. Out west the sites are a lot more sporadic. If Clovis people came from the Northwest, why are their more sites in the east?
Maybe because the bison and other large mammals that were hunted with clovis points didn’t live in the deserts of the west. Another thing is that Clovis is a technology not a people. You don’t find Clovis bird points because Clovis points were technology used for big mammals like deer and Buffalo. For people of the time living in places without large game animals wouldn’t have had any need for fluted spear points. If you lived off fish for instance or if you lived in a desert in the south west for example.
Have there been more excavations at this site? He mentioned that only several sq meters was excavated in the pre-clovis layers. Why not get funding to excavate 100 sq meters?
Good luck with the mainstream archeologists, that’s there problem they know there are things lower than the Clovis level but they won’t go there, Clovis was not first!
Myself I think the clovis is the most advanced of them all,north america is where all the super animals were.I think the migrations started here in north america
The biggest pre clovis site stretches from Lexington Kentucky to Dayton Ohio. Hominid style tools are everywhere. I'm not sure how anyone who has been there would dispute it. Its blatantly obvious
Waiting for the "Bones" the skeletal remains that we have ample of when it comes to clovis/eatly animal's. We have mammoth, fossils, sabertooth fossils etc, lol.
Human made artifacts found down to levels that date to 50K BP in the Atlantic SE? That is impressive and hints at human habitation in the Americas well before that time.
@@TonyTrupp And other's don't "[Douglas] Sain has concluded that the pre-Clovis Topper Assemblage artifacts are indeed genuine, and that a small sample of the tools show microscopic evidence of human use in the form of edge polish (the smoothing of sharp edges via repetitive action), striations (fracture lines resulting from contact with another object), residue (plant or animal material adhering to the artifact), and edge damage (chipping of the artifact’s edge through use)."
Haplogroup X and X1A are not native American, but that is what was found in Florida. The X groups are still in Europe to this day.. So, they were White. Deal with it
@@MOEMUGGY LOL......Surely you JEST! We're not speaking of Florida, but South Carolina. Furthermore, the TIME FRAME they are dealing with, White People didn't even exist.
I think your seriously delusional and need to seek medical help. Scince isn't dogmatic. Just because the past doesn't excite your little bones the way you want it too, doesn't mean it's a damn conspiracy. Quit being paranoid and go learn something.
I am sitting on what appears to be a pre Clovis site in west Michigan. Hundreds of artifacts, crude but very obvious artifacts. University archaeologists have no interest. Claim my tools are geofacts.
Um, maybe the university experts assume that glaciers wiped away everything so why bother looking? Um, assumptions vs. evidence could scuttle everthing. Better to stick with peer-reviewed theories. Um, do their jackets say UM?
There's no way the technology could have converged that I see there has to be a link and let's face it the solutreans were very intelligent because look at the tool set complexity that they had which was possibly as highly Advanced as anywhere on Earth at that time. They were definitely cave men but mother nature kind of forced it on them
@@sovereignrightbeautiful1960 Actually, Clovis points can be made without using overshot flaking that produce the same results. Thus shooting down the Solutrean hypothesis.
Not really. Having humans at Topper at 50,000, it is unlikely they came across Beringia, with the Ice-free Corridor closed or along that coast and came across the continent, though they would have had time. Much more likely they came from Europe. The PIDBA maps show massive sites in the eastern USA and way less out west. Suggesting that the source for humans was likely Europe. The Topper site overlaps all of Solutrean in Europe, so humans were coming all along. Solutrean points may not be AT Topper, per se, but with SOME Clovis at Topper, and the wide and overlapping time window, the Solutrean connection was probably widespread. Give it time. Solutrean could be found in the eastern US any time now. Or Clovis in Europe, perhaps! I have been on this since the 1980s, and predicted the wide time separation would narrow to zero. I was patient, and the gap closed.
@@stevegarcia3731 Talk to Jackcrafty here on youtube, it was him who said it as he can do it. Not an assertion pulled out of an ass. I suggest you pull your head out of the sand and look at the whole picture. There are far more reasons why the Solutrean Hypothesis is dead than just lack of similarities in technologies. Like ice in the North Atlantic being around for less then the time needed to get across nor were the Solutrean coastal people and therefore could not survive the journey to begin with. The Solutrean hypothesis is as academically dead as the Dodo. Only people who try to keep it alive are white supremists who claim that the Solutreans were white people and Stanford's own students. Which are you?
They want to believe history is cut and dry. Easy to digest with an arrow from start to finish. Unfortunately, we are discovering that History is indeed, a Mystery.
Its hilarious seeing you conspiricay filled, delusional, sad, soyboi incells cry because, the past doesn't tickle your tiny mind the way you want it too. Comical.
So are the Cherokee saying they are their ancient ancestors, not a separate people? Wondering whether the first nations were not actually here first. Whether they actually entered North America and defeated somebody else who was here before them, just like we white folks later did. Or maybe inter bred with them to create the current Native American tribes. So much to find out.
It's still up for debate, but interesting. It looks like it could be early Clovis. I'm not inclined to trust the Solutrean hypothesis unless they nail down some DNA evidence and human remains that will verify.
I’ve believed in the Solutreans theory for at least fifteen years and have felt beyond frustrated that mainstream academic archeology completely dismissed it, in addition to being downright insulting to those intellectual pioneers who were brave enough to think outside the box. Shame on them 😒
They did not dismiss it, but there's no real compelling evidence yet. Jim Dixon here in NM is an example of academics who consider it as a valid hypothesis
@@nmarbletoe8210 no real compelling evidence? There’s absolutely is and they all know it. They’re afraid to admit it due to the supposed ‘racial sensitivity’ it apparently involves, which is absolutely ridiculous as well since the Solutreans were paleo Indians, NOT blonde haired blue eyed Europeans that race baiters claim we are trying to claim. Cactus Hill, Virginia, had literally hundreds or thousands of artifacts which CLEARLY demonstrate human habitation and Stone Age technology irrefutable to have come from the Solutreans. They only claim it’s not enough evidence for politically correct reasons. Period.
@@y-dnat7947 says the fuckwit who thinks the Solutrean hypothesis "mostly isn't true." LOL You're instructing others about how science works and making statements like that? hahahaha!
Given that the DNA of the Anzick Clovis child was shown to belong to a population that was ancestral to all Native Americans in both North and South America, these claims have to be evaluated with that scientific reality in mind. Goodyear has been "peddling" this site for years, and there's still a very vocal group that rejects his finds.
Yes. And his radiocarbon dead claims really present a problem. He's also overshooting his Solutrean pals by quite a large margin, and he needs to cross-reference his claims against old world finds, unless he intends on claiming humanity just decided to up and form in Americas for no good reason. Anything over 23kya really, really has to be highly scrutinized heavily. If he's willing to risk credibility by making such vast claims ...he needs a body.
The Windover Bog mummies - while 'only' 8000yrs old - apparently share no DNA with Amerindians. Unless they were the first ones off the boat, it's conceivable their predecessors arrived well before that. Rope and textiles were also discovered with them; neither of which have been found anywhere else in NA at that time, or for thousands of years after. There's a lot more to this than mainstream archaeology says.
@Chas Maravel I don't think the Anzick child is the only one. The Spirit Cave mummy of Nevada is 10,600 years old at least some think a little older. But he does share DNA with the Child not Solutreans'.
@Chas MaravelMy bad I thought I was replying to the guy who said the Anzick child was the only known Clovis culture body, must have been someone else. I mean seriously how could the DNA of a Clovis body be helpful.
@@siriusfun Arnold cave site in Missouri had 9000 year old shoes, sandals, woven bags, rope, nets, and other textiles. Stuff was found in the 1950’s. Seems your a little late to the party. Other stuff that age has been found in caves out west but I don’t remember the exact details of those.
"you pick up some of the energy' bulshit, you might pick up a tick or two but energy? give me a fucking break. Do you believe in Santa Claus? Pre clovis yes but energy, you need to take a hike.....
I'd definitely say you're delusion and need to seek medical attention. Archaeology and Science have no time nor money to spend for guessing and presuppostions.
“You don’t look for what you don’t believe in” that’s so true. This is an amazing site. Great video
So many pre-Clovis artifacts have been deemed “Indian love stones”
In 1976 I found a surface Clovis point on SC side of Savanna River miles east of North Augusta. Still have in my collection with rattlesnake buzzer that made it a challenge to collect in the corn field. An eye injury to go with it. Nice memory with an Army buddy too. At the time Clovis type & age doubted by scientific community to whom I reported the find. Now look at the evidence that exceeds 10 to 13k Clovis all way back to Pre-Clovis around 50k !!! Great evidence based work Dr. Moore & Dr. Goodyear !! Always enjoyed my volunteer work with the SC Arch Society & looks continued site surveys have been beneficial moving science of Early Man in America forward --- or should I say BACKWARD in time!! Dr. A
Pretty clear he's re-writing history! Awesome.
it's kind of hard to argue against pre-clovis when you have all your ducks in a row lol.. great presentation..
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People call me a conspiracy theorist but that was my exact response. “I just want to find something important.” I don’t want to sit around while the science is all pointing to a paradigm shift
Awesome, very informative. I really appreciate this upload!
When tribal information & archeology aligns, then you get the facts. “God gives us who we are. Since the beginning of time we have had family, Indian family in Georgia.”
Elder 🦅 👁️
Wow, this was extremely informative. I try to keep up with pre-Clovis, but pretty much fail. This helps my curiosity a LOT.
I lived abroad for a number of years and did some field archaeology volunteering and learned a lot about Neolithic, Mesolithic, and Paleolithic artifacts and sites. I returned to live in the US a few years ago. In the last few months I have come across artifacts and objects that resemble some of the things I used to find overseas which I find to be very intriguing. I live near a large river which at one time may have come further up the bank before it eroded down into its current path. I have found evidence of a lot of pebbles and pale colored sandy clays in the area and of course not far away I know for a fact that a tribe of Native Americans lived in this area for over 3000 years. That being said, some of the things that I found are now eroding out of a cut embankment which Is beneath the current forest floor. The more I find the more I want to get in there and actually start digging a trench or a pit to see what is in the strata. I wish someone else will take an interest in this part of South Carolina as well..
It is interesting to me that scientists, even today want to hold onto their beliefs instead of following the facts, the artifacts. So much for empirical study. Humans were here before the Clovis era. What other accepted “facts” do we need to reconsider? Thank you for putting this on UA-cam.
Settle lil columbus , Clovis era? Seriously? Typical Whiteman ...always making the past about him only, no one else matters.
I think that might have been true 20 years ago, today pre-Clovis seems accepted in tgeneral
One of the FEW guys on here who actually knows what he is talking about.
Graham hancock
Fascinating discoveries and very well presented! A world class archaeological site!
I am honestly blown away the people still refer to Clovis as having been the oldest documented…
Absollutely brilliant, truly maginicent work,thank you so much
Gotta remember, the Savanha River region is far enough south of the major Glacial Ice Shelf to enjoy livable conditions.
¡Bravo! Good work guys... great overview of a spectacular site... Dr. Goodyear shines bright. I hope other sites are on your radar as well. So much exciting stuff is going down right now... very exciting. Perhaps a Page-Ladson visit... it's certainly a good regional option and a great excuse to head to Florida. !!
Knowledge comes incrementally.
We humans almost always get it wrong before we get it right. Which is OK, normal.
One day we may know pretty precisely when the first humans set foot in the Americas.
You have done your job so well, and helped us understand all this amazing work. Thanks.
Thank you!
glad you came back and finished...
Wonderful vid. Thanks for sharing this. I think it's becoming more and more clear that humans circa 50,000 years ago were in fact in contact with one another all around the world. You have evidence that Pre-dynastic Egyptians and Paleo-Indians in South America had shared knowledge of concrete. And here we see shared knowledge of stone tool making between peoples of North America and Europe.
No Egyptians came to the Americas.
can you tell me more ? pleasee
Maybe it's just hundredth monkey stuff...our consciousness is all one and ideas are shared in a pot bigger than each of us...without need of physical contact
Shut up, you are just making up crap.
There is only so many ways to arrange a set of blocks. It’s not complicated. Give a bunch of kids that don’t know each other a block set and they will all build the same stuff. They don’t need to communicate with each other to accomplish this because blocks are not complex. You can only do so much with a rock. It’s not rocket science.
Did not expect to see an emperor hoodie but I'm glad I did
"You don't look for what you don't believe in."; so true.
Great information!! Loved it!
So are we saying the people who made these tools in 50000 BC were a separate people from the Native Americans / First Nations of today? Are we saying these people died out/ or were taken over and supplanted by the ancestors of the current Native American peoples?
Excellent! Thanks for sharing.
nice site great reserch
Whoa! Awesome Emperor jacket!!!! Anthems ftw!!!
Wow..Awesome.
Would like to see an updated web site with all pre-clovis locations.
Look up joe rogan experience number 1284 Graham Hancock he talks about this sight and several others in the United states
Stay off the tryptamines and weed guys. It'll really help you see that science isn't pulling your leg.
@@y-dnat7947 you're an angry little ant, now point to me on the doll where that naughty Graham Hancock touched you
@@y-dnat7947 Your comments don't seem to age well? lol
Science. Go get yourself some.
siriusisastar Care to show me how they didn’t age well?
I’m sure you will show me something that will change the body of the entire Archaeology and anthropology community?
No one has yet..
Emperor, Satyricon, what other patches you got? Hell yeah \m/
Very interesting... especially the reference to the links to Western European techniques.
@Lewis Pusey Great sarcasm! hahaha
The Beringia theory can allow remains up to about 23,000 years old in America through DNA evidence of the separated communities.
This makes any find older than Clovis still not default to Solutrean Hypothesis.
Exciting find nonetheless.
The bifacial tools are distinctly Solutrean. Siberians didn't do that.
I agree 100% why is it that people made boats 40k years ago to to Australia but Solutreans didn't even though Europe and NE America was connected by thick ice and the gulf stream is perfect to navigate in the American direction
a paper in Sep 23 had dated human footprints found at White Sands Nat'l Park in New Mexico to 21 to 23,000 cal BP - long before clovis - long before the ice corridor - this more in line with the pre-clovis sites found around the americas - giving the alternative coastal migration theory from beringia a boost - with strong support from the DNA evidence pointing to the american indians originating in beringia
when you consider there is no evidence of solutreans having seafaring skills - and leaving no evidence of landfall or trekking across the american continent - all the way to the west where the oldest clovis points are found - and doing what no other culture has done - clinging to a single stoneworking technology for thousands of years
for everyone else - stoneworking technologies change - they changed in europe - the solutrean points disappearing long before clovis points appeared several thousand miles away and several thousand years away ("the gap" in the solutrean debate) - the clovis points themselves disappeared within a thousand years - yet those ghostly solutreans retained their old technology much longer than other peoples did
the science behind solutreanism can be seen in the mastadon & the clovis point dredged up by the scallop boat named "Cinmar" - they were not seen in situ - they appeared in a single dredge pile - which is not proof they were extant at the same time - two bones found embedded in a rock cannot be assumed to be the same age - (i saw a documentary on 2 humanoid skulls found inches apart in a rock from a cave in greece - they were determined to have lived thousands of years apart) - artifacts found in loose dirt would be even less reliable - but artifacts from the turbulent seafloor (not even observed in situ) are simply unreliable for scientific analysis - yet Stanford & Bradley thought so and based the blade's date on the mastodon's radiocarbon date
if you want to read a carefully laid-out dismissal of the solutrean hypothesis - search the web for "Rejecting the Solutrean hypothesis: the first peoples in the Americas were not from Europe" - the author is a geneticist
How about that? These findings are probably unpopular with some folks.
Is this site the actual chert quarry? If so why sandstone and not limestone? Is it possible these artifacts/lithics were displaced from somewhere upstream and deposited here by the river? If so, where did they originate?
And if there was some major flood or mud flood then a bit of the surface would be removed and moved downstream and it would mix with the surface artifacts with the lower artifacts when they settle.
Mainstream science has got to be WAY off. If you look at all the Clovis sites plus sites where clovis points have been found. The entire Eastern U.S. is covered with them. Out west the sites are a lot more sporadic. If Clovis people came from the Northwest, why are their more sites in the east?
Maybe because the bison and other large mammals that were hunted with clovis points didn’t live in the deserts of the west. Another thing is that Clovis is a technology not a people. You don’t find Clovis bird points because Clovis points were technology used for big mammals like deer and Buffalo. For people of the time living in places without large game animals wouldn’t have had any need for fluted spear points. If you lived off fish for instance or if you lived in a desert in the south west for example.
Would you be interested in talking with me about a human fossil footprint and stone tool I found here in North America?
I wish they didn't add music to these interesting videos. I would like to hear what the researcher are saying.
Have there been more excavations at this site? He mentioned that only several sq meters was excavated in the pre-clovis layers. Why not get funding to excavate 100 sq meters?
Emperor jacket....nice 😎
along the rio grande , bank that stand 20 ft/ high half ways I found chips and charcoal . It is shame that there is no interest
Good luck with the mainstream archeologists, that’s there problem they know there are things lower than the Clovis level but they won’t go there, Clovis was not first!
Pretty sure it’s archaeologists who are excavating the site.
Who did you imagine it was, a mob of jack russell terriers?
SOLUTREAN EVIDENCE ?
Myself I think the clovis is the most advanced of them all,north america is where all the super animals were.I think the migrations started here in north america
The biggest pre clovis site stretches from Lexington Kentucky to Dayton Ohio. Hominid style tools are everywhere. I'm not sure how anyone who has been there would dispute it. Its blatantly obvious
the rumble wasnt rubble but effigies....they ARE artifacts as well
A piece of Cloth=Hide, made the first Vice, CLO VIS , putting the arrow on the arrow head , CLO THIER LOL GRC
Near the end, he says, "Those dates are dead". What does that mean?
Radiocarbon dating is only useable back 50,000 years. Anything older than that is considered "dead" as far as the ability of radiocarbon dating.
@@simonwasp That's what I sort of thought, but wasn't sure. Thanks. Surely there are other dating methods?
it means some dates are so old that they have died of old age
Waiting for the "Bones" the skeletal remains that we have ample of when it comes to clovis/eatly animal's. We have mammoth, fossils, sabertooth fossils etc, lol.
I'm not dismissive, but I am skeptical.
Emporer. Fuck yea.
Human made artifacts found down to levels that date to 50K BP in the Atlantic SE?
That is impressive and hints at human habitation in the Americas well before that time.
If it’s legitimate. Other archeologist dispute those ‘artifacts’ are manmade.
@@TonyTrupp And other's don't "[Douglas] Sain has concluded that the pre-Clovis Topper Assemblage artifacts are indeed genuine, and that a small sample of the tools show microscopic evidence of human use in the form of edge polish (the smoothing of sharp edges via repetitive action), striations (fracture lines resulting from contact with another object), residue (plant or animal material adhering to the artifact), and edge damage (chipping of the artifact’s edge through use)."
Emperor!
I know a place that is older then that place
which artifacts were found? obviously there were pre-clovis habitants, but they were probably hunter gatherers.
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What did the inhabitants of the area look like?
Brown red black
Haplogroup X and X1A are not native American, but that is what was found in Florida. The X groups are still in Europe to this day.. So, they were White. Deal with it
@@MOEMUGGY LOL......Surely you JEST! We're not speaking of Florida, but South Carolina. Furthermore, the TIME FRAME they are dealing with, White People didn't even exist.
@@MOEMUGGY even the solutreans weren't "white".
@ What's the earliest date, with evidence, that shows the existence of NON MELANATED EUROPEANS?
NIX the back ground music! It's not an Indiana Jones flick!
Just a foot to the left could be a burial
I really find Academics playing God, telling us what took place and why or how, like nobody else can discover the past!
I think it is.....you just do not understand a word he is saying. Read some books man.....
I think your seriously delusional and need to seek medical help. Scince isn't dogmatic. Just because the past doesn't excite your little bones the way you want it too, doesn't mean it's a damn conspiracy. Quit being paranoid and go learn something.
@@y-dnat7947 you're an angry little ant, now point to me on the doll where that naughty Graham Hancock touched you
@@HeadbandHarvest is that your cut and paste troll line?
Why don't you point to the place on your body that you best like Handykook to use you.
50,000 years old. Definitely Ice Age.
I am sitting on what appears to be a pre Clovis site in west Michigan. Hundreds of artifacts, crude but very obvious artifacts. University archaeologists have no interest. Claim my tools are geofacts.
How do you know is pre-Clovis?
My site is different not saying pre Clovis but different from and site in my 40 yrs of hunting and a few thousand sites.
@@xerces06 the tools are primitive and many of the artifacts depict mastodon and mammoths. Also, site produced fossilized ice age animal bones/
Um, maybe the university experts assume that glaciers wiped away everything so why bother looking?
Um, assumptions vs. evidence could scuttle everthing. Better to stick with peer-reviewed theories.
Um, do their jackets say UM?
@@slapshot1x so you are saying you have pre Clovis potery?
There is a SERIOUS issue with the time disparity between Clovis and Solutrean.
There's no way the technology could have converged that I see there has to be a link and let's face it the solutreans were very intelligent because look at the tool set complexity that they had which was possibly as highly Advanced as anywhere on Earth at that time. They were definitely cave men but mother nature kind of forced it on them
@@sovereignrightbeautiful1960 Actually, Clovis points can be made without using overshot flaking that produce the same results. Thus shooting down the Solutrean hypothesis.
Not really. Having humans at Topper at 50,000, it is unlikely they came across Beringia, with the Ice-free Corridor closed or along that coast and came across the continent, though they would have had time. Much more likely they came from Europe. The PIDBA maps show massive sites in the eastern USA and way less out west. Suggesting that the source for humans was likely Europe. The Topper site overlaps all of Solutrean in Europe, so humans were coming all along. Solutrean points may not be AT Topper, per se, but with SOME Clovis at Topper, and the wide and overlapping time window, the Solutrean connection was probably widespread. Give it time. Solutrean could be found in the eastern US any time now. Or Clovis in Europe, perhaps!
I have been on this since the 1980s, and predicted the wide time separation would narrow to zero. I was patient, and the gap closed.
@@FrontierLegacy
An assertion pulled out of your rectum.
@@stevegarcia3731 Talk to Jackcrafty here on youtube, it was him who said it as he can do it. Not an assertion pulled out of an ass. I suggest you pull your head out of the sand and look at the whole picture. There are far more reasons why the Solutrean Hypothesis is dead than just lack of similarities in technologies. Like ice in the North Atlantic being around for less then the time needed to get across nor were the Solutrean coastal people and therefore could not survive the journey to begin with.
The Solutrean hypothesis is as academically dead as the Dodo. Only people who try to keep it alive are white supremists who claim that the Solutreans were white people and Stanford's own students. Which are you?
It would be better to skip the solutrean reference. It belongs with the aquatic ape guess.
I've long thought that Clovis was just a drop in the bucket. When will mainstream come on board with your empiracal claims?
They want to believe history is cut and dry. Easy to digest with an arrow from start to finish. Unfortunately, we are discovering that History is indeed, a Mystery.
Its hilarious seeing you conspiricay filled, delusional, sad, soyboi incells cry because, the past doesn't tickle your tiny mind the way you want it too. Comical.
@@y-dnat7947 you're an angry little ant, now point to me on the doll where that naughty Graham Hancock touched you
So maybe not human but close?
Is it possible that the Clovis people threw their stone artifact into a ditch nearby? That would Lead to a false timeline ...
It would be easy to see the different sediments from different times
The Cherokee call the pre- Clovis people, The Ancient People, and recognize them as relatives. They had blue eyes, but were not necessarily white.
So are the Cherokee saying they are their ancient ancestors, not a separate people? Wondering whether the first nations were not actually here first. Whether they actually entered North America and defeated somebody else who was here before them, just like we white folks later did. Or maybe inter bred with them to create the current Native American tribes. So much to find out.
It's still up for debate, but interesting. It looks like it could be early Clovis. I'm not inclined to trust the Solutrean hypothesis unless they nail down some DNA evidence and human remains that will verify.
Unfortunately most of that is under the ocean. If they had the will, that would be the most logical place to look.
I’ve believed in the Solutreans theory for at least fifteen years and have felt beyond frustrated that mainstream academic archeology completely dismissed it, in addition to being downright insulting to those intellectual pioneers who were brave enough to think outside the box. Shame on them 😒
They did not dismiss it, but there's no real compelling evidence yet. Jim Dixon here in NM is an example of academics who consider it as a valid hypothesis
@@nmarbletoe8210 no real compelling evidence? There’s absolutely is and they all know it. They’re afraid to admit it due to the supposed ‘racial sensitivity’ it apparently involves, which is absolutely ridiculous as well since the Solutreans were paleo Indians, NOT blonde haired blue eyed Europeans that race baiters claim we are trying to claim. Cactus Hill, Virginia, had literally hundreds or thousands of artifacts which CLEARLY demonstrate human habitation and Stone Age technology irrefutable to have come from the Solutreans. They only claim it’s not enough evidence for politically correct reasons. Period.
This site is deteriorating fast!! Algae and mold are everywhere. SAD!!
If its a stone quarry it can't be dated. This is all hyperbole
Windover bog mummies
Psalms 19;
Read a book you'll actually learn something from.
@@y-dnat7947 you're an angry little ant, now point to me on the doll where that naughty Graham Hancock touched you
@@y-dnat7947 says the fuckwit who thinks the Solutrean hypothesis "mostly isn't true." LOL
You're instructing others about how science works and making statements like that? hahahaha!
Always gotta be somebody with the fairy tales...
Ugh...me human, me know, me see no god.
I hope all fairs well for you Apetheist.
Given that the DNA of the Anzick Clovis child was shown to belong to a population that was ancestral to all Native Americans in both North and South America, these claims have to be evaluated with that scientific reality in mind. Goodyear has been "peddling" this site for years, and there's still a very vocal group that rejects his finds.
Yes. And his radiocarbon dead claims really present a problem.
He's also overshooting his Solutrean pals by quite a large margin, and he needs to cross-reference his claims against old world finds, unless he intends on claiming humanity just decided to up and form in Americas for no good reason.
Anything over 23kya really, really has to be highly scrutinized heavily. If he's willing to risk credibility by making such vast claims ...he needs a body.
The Windover Bog mummies - while 'only' 8000yrs old - apparently share no DNA with Amerindians. Unless they were the first ones off the boat, it's conceivable their predecessors arrived well before that.
Rope and textiles were also discovered with them; neither of which have been found anywhere else in NA at that time, or for thousands of years after.
There's a lot more to this than mainstream archaeology says.
@Chas Maravel I don't think the Anzick child is the only one. The Spirit Cave mummy of Nevada is 10,600 years old at least some think a little older. But he does share DNA with the Child not Solutreans'.
@Chas MaravelMy bad I thought I was replying to the guy who said the Anzick child was the only known Clovis culture body, must have been someone else. I mean seriously how could the DNA of a Clovis body be helpful.
@@siriusfun Arnold cave site in Missouri had 9000 year old shoes, sandals, woven bags, rope, nets, and other textiles. Stuff was found in the 1950’s. Seems your a little late to the party. Other stuff that age has been found in caves out west but I don’t remember the exact details of those.
Long before the Clovis there was the Solutreans......even I know that.
that's been debunked.
Glue it 😂😂😂
"you pick up some of the energy' bulshit, you might pick up a tick or two but energy? give me a fucking break. Do you believe in Santa Claus? Pre clovis yes but energy, you need to take a hike.....
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The white archeologist is actually saying... "we did it! We erased the godless savages from our land"
You're guessing. There are no records to prove any of what you say. I am a historian and can prove it.
Please do.
I'd definitely say you're delusion and need to seek medical attention. Archaeology and Science have no time nor money to spend for guessing and presuppostions.
@@y-dnat7947 you're an angry little ant, now point to me on the doll where that naughty Graham Hancock touched you
Historians are as useful as cat skinners
So it's been 2 years were all still waiting for your historical proof there historian person.
Archeology enthusiast here.....an amusing treat to observe these men date the layers incorrectly.
All pre-god superstition. This is who we came from, not some Devine creation.