The higher end Bosch X-Lock units also have the same stated stop time of less than 1 second. What's interesting is they don't allow the ultra fast stop on the non X-Lock versions as they found that continuous rapid stops were causing the locking nut to loosen, hopefully this is something Milwaukee have addressed.
Dont expect these to last very long , Milwaukee has had quality issues and with brushless tool, when one switch goes, you must buy control unit and stator too, cost about same that new tool ... its very important to remember the extended warranty . About every tool brand does it, they wont sell switch only, they sell it as one unit with control board and stator .
The Auto Stop is the only thing that i really like about this safety stuff. Thiy may save your Ass, if something goes wrong and may not disturb at work all if it is tuned correctly. The slide on cover for cutting is also nice, every grinder should come with it. For the rest... a tool that is designed to satisfy the safety guys in the office but not for the craftsmen that actually have to work with it. The akward removal of the guard with five screws may end with losing them after the first disassembly and the guard will never be assembled again. The fixed side handle will render work in a lot of tight spots impossible and may also lead to additional downtime of the tool.
I'm in the piping industry, and there are times you have to remove the guard. We have to sometimes cut pipe in position and they're buried in an inconvenient spot. You have to cut a window out and cut the back half from the inside of the pipe. This won't work for that. You can get a variance from safety to allow removing the handle and/or the guard when you can prove there is no other viable way. That thing is made to work only in completely accessible areas. I wish it was that easy, as the space to put pipes is getting smaller and tighter.
@@HotForgeChaos you obviously don't work in the commercial/industrial construction sector. Safety can and will throw you off the job like that. They live to get people fired.
They could improve the search function if you lose your tool. If it emits a beep you have an idea which direction to search. The way it's designed now is you have to walk in circles while looking at your phone. Not so safe on a job site.
That rapid stop could be entertaining. If you are using a sanding or wire brush on it I would imagine the brush not stopping as quickly and spinning off the arbor of the grinder.
I think the foldable handle is a good idea, could do with this on standard grinders, makes it easy to store in the case. The safety features I like, especially the anti kickback, anything that saves people from injuries is a good thing. Some people complaining about the switches, when Tools operated the grinder it looked quick, he wasn't fumbling around to get the thing going. Great presentation.
A lot of the peeps stating who would buy this grinder are missing what he said. There are worksites already that demand all grinders have non removable guards, the handle plus the dead man safety thing is more than likely going to be an additional addon to it
Personally I like the extra safety features. But that's because I've also been scared of the grinding disk exploseding. Wouldn't mind seeing how it compares to the verable speed Makita X-lock grinder
@@hazza2247 yeah I know. Its just something that always in the back of my mind when using an angle grinder. I've seen far to many people have serious accidents with an angle grinder from when they have taken the gaurd and handles off.
@@thekiwinomad most accidents happen when people are either inexperienced, rushing, or distracted, if you’re just careful and use tools appropriately there is no reason for something to go wrong. it’s like driving a car, stay focused on the road (stay focused on the tool) and wear your seatbelt (wear safety glasses and earmuffs)
Thats just stupid and overkill lol. Might aswell just go back to using rocks to carve things up. Proper PPE and not being a peanut should be enough. If you manage to fk it up enough to need a child safe one, shouldnt ve using them at all
really wish thats just a simple handle, i like the swival design, but that plastic trigger gonna be the first thing to fail and gonna need janky fix. also if they start "unintentionally" adding pockets or sockets for the airtag to fit into, that would be super neat. I work in big factory and ppl never put tool back where they were.
I do prefer the trigger switches for the sake of something goes wrong I can take my hand off the tool and it'll stop but bugga having a handle on at all times. I never use the handle.
This tool is the worlds best tool at not working. Does everything it can to stop itself and is the fastest at stopping to boot. If not getting work done was the challenge then this tool wins hands down.
I made the mistake of buying that 6" Milwaukee braqking grinder. After 14 months it failed. Milwaukee wanted $162 to diagnose the prob and then parts and labor to fix it. It was replaced with a Flex grinder and all of the Milwaukee tools I have are being replaced with the Flex tools as the Milwaukee tools fail. Milwaukee lost my business permanently.
I noticed the makita XGT grinder loses the quick stop if you remove the battery while its running. My switch locked out and that was the only way to stop it
Are Milwaukee grinders still using the cheapest bearings that they can get or are they using decent branded hopely Japanese bearings? Maybe do a comparison between Makita and Milwaukee grinders in a break down not so much a performance comparison. My personal preference when it comes to grinders by brand is Metabo, Hitachi and Bosch.
ive never had a grinder inury so far but ive had a few disk explode, to me the only real problem with grinders is sparks and disks, you cant always control disk but a good guard will protect you against most of the sparks. other than the brake, anti rotation/kickback (which mostly every grinder these days has them) its just going to be a pain in the arse
I have noticed a lot more power on almost everytools i own from milwaukee with the forge and in term on grinder my 6" is a lot stronger with the forge , btw this new grinder is nice for certin applications in a shop
Bloody hell iv heard of a nanny switch but a nanny handle!! Even if my middle name is health and safety that’s to safe for me!!, I’d be using my not as safe makita cut of tool to cut that handle off!!!, that said the speed of the blade stop is very impressive and the anti kick back stopper thingy is good as well, great video sir 🤟🤟
How’s the performance compared to the second generation XGT you’ve recently shown us? I see Hikoki have just released new grinders too and all 3 companies have new battery tech too. Any chance of a 3 way head to head?
almost killed myself with a 240v grinder. still wouldn't want to use this. Fast stop is great. I even kinda like paddles (the grinder that almost decapicated me was a slide switch). The handle switch is just ridiculous. Feel for those guys working on mine sites! The auto stop would be annoying in certain circumstances. at least it is on by choice for now.
Typical corporate thinking where safety doesn't count unless it's somehow inconvenient to the user. The engineers that designed this have their hearts in the right place, I'm sure, but the reset on that dead man's switch is just diabolical. Also, that aggressive brake might cause discs that screw directly into the arbor to come loose. It's not a bad idea per se but to make it work well it needs to start significantly more aggressively than it stops, to make the threads bind into place even if it was only hand-tight. Although I'm sure these things are used by the kind of people who torque the disc down using the wrench, which normally you're not supposed to.
man those paddle switch grinders sucks to use, i use them at work all the time and i hate them. a slide switch is not only easier to handle but you can do more things easier
People are just gonna put a clamp on the handle to avoid using both hands at the same time. That feature is plain dumb. What do you do if you have to work on a ladder? Use a third hand to hold yourself? There are other solutions to safety such as the accelerometers.
I cut the base of 4 fingers with an angle grinder when it kicked and knocked my hand off the paddle switch into the path of the disc. Cut an artery so needed an ambulance for the blood loss, cut 3 tendons, so 4 hours of micro surgery and a 6 month+ recovery. So yeah, they are dangerous.
Hmmm... well, inovation I guess... I dont like the american paddle switch. The handle adjustment is cool but not the extra switch, all the safety features just to mutch. I would be very annoyed. Using a grinder is like a fast IQ test, you will know very fast when you are not using your 🧠
Welp, won't be buying that grinder then. I'm not a commercial carpenter so I don't need all that safety. Also I'm not a numpty either. Give us a bare bones not safety version of that grinder instead
Paddle switch grinders. Designed by WHS people that have never used a grinder. They may want you to use a grinder two handed. But in reality, many don't. I would say I use them one handed 70 % of the time. Paddle switch not conducive to use like this. You have to hold it too low. Out of balance and awkward. Then the switch itself. Instant dead man shut off. But often they don't. Shit gets behind the Paddle. In the pivot. Whatever. They jamb up. Don't shut off as expected. Hook up an take the top of your thumb off. Ask me how I know. Wouldn't ever buy another Paddle switch grinder.
@@davetaylor4741Me too. But it’s important to know the strength and weakness of this brand so you can talk shit about it. Without making a fool of yourself.
No one is forcing you to buy it. They still make regular grinders. They are just making something to fit with safety rules on some sites. It's government rules you should be mad at, not the tool manufacturers.
Hi Tools. Back again. Now taken the time to watch the video. My impression of it now is even worse. Apart from being a Milwaukee. Which is never good. Fit for nothing. Is my conclusion. Cut out the middle man and throw it in the bin. If it was given to me as a free gift. I would donate it to someone else without even using it. The concept is flawed. I seldom use two hands. A lot of the stuff I am cutting. I am holding with the free hand. Over complicated. And just useless as a functional grinder. If this is the future. I'm glad I'm old.
Ohh I cant wait until something on this grinder inevitably fails and its just out of warranty and you cant repair it in an economically viable way because its Milwaukee
The only question: Why? Tha side handle is an unusable, never use part of the angle grinder. It totally unnecessary. The second, which is every man drop to the garbage is the wheel guard. If you want work, the guard will get in an obtacles. Never use.
what the actual flip. why do I need to go through three steps to turn on my dang grinder. Not to mention the cheek of those bureaucratic dogs needing a full reset to turn on again. cant even tape the triggers shut, going to wire them to the paddle trigger. learn how to grind shit without being tarded.
It's a much too complicated and difficult grinder to use to be successful, from my point of view it's a resounding failure In many situations a grinder user will want to remove this handle to have access in narrow places or effectively to lighten the weight machines, the fact that you always have this handle attached to the grinder is a big stupidity. The fact that you have to keep your hand on the grinder all the time to work is a big piece of crap, from my point of view it is good for one thing - to grind materials, there you really need to have both hands on the grinder to work efficiently and safely. I will never buy this tool regardless of the price.
And if I say it's 9,500RPM, just pretend I'm saying 8,500RPM.
The higher end Bosch X-Lock units also have the same stated stop time of less than 1 second. What's interesting is they don't allow the ultra fast stop on the non X-Lock versions as they found that continuous rapid stops were causing the locking nut to loosen, hopefully this is something Milwaukee have addressed.
Dont expect these to last very long , Milwaukee has had quality issues and with brushless tool, when one switch goes, you must buy control unit and stator too, cost about same that new tool ... its very important to remember the extended warranty .
About every tool brand does it, they wont sell switch only, they sell it as one unit with control board and stator .
i have to stop and start my grinder a lot and do alot of cutting 1 handed. the best spot for this tool is the skip bin out back
Thanks Tools. Your Mum must have liked tools a lot to name you Tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
😂
The Auto Stop is the only thing that i really like about this safety stuff. Thiy may save your Ass, if something goes wrong and may not disturb at work all if it is tuned correctly. The slide on cover for cutting is also nice, every grinder should come with it. For the rest... a tool that is designed to satisfy the safety guys in the office but not for the craftsmen that actually have to work with it. The akward removal of the guard with five screws may end with losing them after the first disassembly and the guard will never be assembled again. The fixed side handle will render work in a lot of tight spots impossible and may also lead to additional downtime of the tool.
I'm in the piping industry, and there are times you have to remove the guard. We have to sometimes cut pipe in position and they're buried in an inconvenient spot. You have to cut a window out and cut the back half from the inside of the pipe. This won't work for that. You can get a variance from safety to allow removing the handle and/or the guard when you can prove there is no other viable way. That thing is made to work only in completely accessible areas. I wish it was that easy, as the space to put pipes is getting smaller and tighter.
I'd invite the safety guy to come down in the hole and do the job at that point
@@HotForgeChaos you obviously don't work in the commercial/industrial construction sector. Safety can and will throw you off the job like that. They live to get people fired.
@@ruelsmith I stand by my comment
They could improve the search function if you lose your tool. If it emits a beep you have an idea which direction to search. The way it's designed now is you have to walk in circles while looking at your phone. Not so safe on a job site.
“Dead-man switch for safety, you must have both hands on the grinder at all times for safety” **uses grinder wearing shorts**
Don't say anything! Otherwise they will have to start making grinders with non-removable pants. It won't be long before OSHA requires it
and loose scarf.
Pretty sure I've never worn a scarf in my life.
Milwaukee does make clothes. Coming soon, OneKey pants that the grinder verifies that you are wearing.
Every try welding in shorts? 😬
That rapid stop could be entertaining. If you are using a sanding or wire brush on it I would imagine the brush not stopping as quickly and spinning off the arbor of the grinder.
Third Party Accessory Companies: "Introducing M18 Fuel compatible side handle duct tape!"
I think the foldable handle is a good idea, could do with this on standard grinders, makes it easy to store in the case. The safety features I like, especially the anti kickback, anything that saves people from injuries is a good thing. Some people complaining about the switches, when Tools operated the grinder it looked quick, he wasn't fumbling around to get the thing going. Great presentation.
A lot of the peeps stating who would buy this grinder are missing what he said. There are worksites already that demand all grinders have non removable guards, the handle plus the dead man safety thing is more than likely going to be an additional addon to it
Hell no. Ill bring my own fucking tools or quit. Ill use the guard if I can, but if I am in a tight space and have to take it off, I will.
Shit that whole handle and double trigger puts me off. All the other safety features are great though
Reminds me of the Hilti safety features. Touchsens, dead man switch and active torque control,
any chance of reviewing the latest hikoki 36v grinder?
I love mine. Only negative is that the brake is a little weak for me personally. Besides that, it's the best grinder I've ever used.
@user-ii8dz4vu7n I have it too and the ergonomics are great on it
that m18 6.0 i think they only made them for a short time and when the high output batteries came out they stopped making them
Personally I like the extra safety features. But that's because I've also been scared of the grinding disk exploseding. Wouldn't mind seeing how it compares to the verable speed Makita X-lock grinder
grinding discs don’t explode easily, u have to be using so wrongly for that to be an issue
@@hazza2247 yeah I know. Its just something that always in the back of my mind when using an angle grinder. I've seen far to many people have serious accidents with an angle grinder from when they have taken the gaurd and handles off.
@@thekiwinomad most accidents happen when people are either inexperienced, rushing, or distracted, if you’re just careful and use tools appropriately there is no reason for something to go wrong.
it’s like driving a car, stay focused on the road (stay focused on the tool) and wear your seatbelt (wear safety glasses and earmuffs)
Yeah I have had a disk explode. It was not a fun 10 seconds afterwards, but I was lucky
Thats just stupid and overkill lol. Might aswell just go back to using rocks to carve things up. Proper PPE and not being a peanut should be enough. If you manage to fk it up enough to need a child safe one, shouldnt ve using them at all
8:30
Bosch X-lock gwx 18v -10psc got really fast brake
From 2020
really wish thats just a simple handle, i like the swival design, but that plastic trigger gonna be the first thing to fail and gonna need janky fix.
also if they start "unintentionally" adding pockets or sockets for the airtag to fit into, that would be super neat. I work in big factory and ppl never put tool back where they were.
I love my Willfukyee tools, m12 and m18, but this grinder would drive me mental with that trigger.
Hikoki’s new 36v grinder smokes that! Better slim design too!
Thanks. i hate it
I just mentioned you in the video I'm filming and then up popped this comment... spooky...
I do prefer the trigger switches for the sake of something goes wrong I can take my hand off the tool and it'll stop but bugga having a handle on at all times. I never use the handle.
Did you weigh forge vs HO 6Ah? I never trust manufacturer weights
HO 1076 Forge 947 XC 685
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL damn, so they did manage to reduce the weight
That explains the way my Makita pole saw etc is the way it is.
I did wonder.
This tool is the worlds best tool at not working. Does everything it can to stop itself and is the fastest at stopping to boot. If not getting work done was the challenge then this tool wins hands down.
I made the mistake of buying that 6" Milwaukee braqking grinder. After 14 months it failed. Milwaukee wanted $162 to diagnose the prob and then parts and labor to fix it. It was replaced with a Flex grinder and all of the Milwaukee tools I have are being replaced with the Flex tools as the Milwaukee tools fail. Milwaukee lost my business permanently.
In terms of auto-stop safety feature, how does this compare with Dewalts 60v e-brake grinder?
I noticed the makita XGT grinder loses the quick stop if you remove the battery while its running. My switch locked out and that was the only way to stop it
This also loses the brake when the battery is removed.
We are waiting head to head grinders with Makita Xgt (old and new version)!
Are Milwaukee grinders still using the cheapest bearings that they can get or are they using decent branded hopely Japanese bearings? Maybe do a comparison between Makita and Milwaukee grinders in a break down not so much a performance comparison. My personal preference when it comes to grinders by brand is Metabo, Hitachi and Bosch.
ive never had a grinder inury so far but ive had a few disk explode, to me the only real problem with grinders is sparks and disks, you cant always control disk but a good guard will protect you against most of the sparks. other than the brake, anti rotation/kickback (which mostly every grinder these days has them) its just going to be a pain in the arse
Boss "What you dong on ya phone again" Worker "My phone has lost the tool"
I have noticed a lot more power on almost everytools i own from milwaukee with the forge and in term on grinder my 6" is a lot stronger with the forge , btw this new grinder is nice for certin applications in a shop
bit of a bummer for those of us using grinders one handed with no guard while wearing jandals lol
Bloody hell iv heard of a nanny switch but a nanny handle!! Even if my middle name is health and safety that’s to safe for me!!, I’d be using my not as safe makita cut of tool to cut that handle off!!!, that said the speed of the blade stop is very impressive and the anti kick back stopper thingy is good as well, great video sir 🤟🤟
*too... and circuits dont work if you slice them in half...
I def heard a higher pitch from the grinder w/ high output battery.
How’s the performance compared to the second generation XGT you’ve recently shown us? I see Hikoki have just released new grinders too and all 3 companies have new battery tech too. Any chance of a 3 way head to head?
I like the versatility of the handle positions, but I wouldn't want the switch in it.
Why no rpm test with that device you have?
I’m sorry but I’m 2.14 minutes in. And already want to hand out Darwin awards for any muppet that needs this.
Great tool
Knock, knock, makita lxt grinders need to be upgraded. I hope new pouch batteries will come with new tools. It would have sense
Have you done a tear down of dtd173?
Yes, somewhere.
I kinda dig the handle for being able to tilt it back, fast stop and kickback control is alright. Every other aspect of it is shit though.
What's a handle?
Not one, but now two switches to go bad on a single Milwankee tool!
23:39 Dang it!. I really like scratching my arse while using my angle grinder
almost killed myself with a 240v grinder. still wouldn't want to use this. Fast stop is great. I even kinda like paddles (the grinder that almost decapicated me was a slide switch). The handle switch is just ridiculous. Feel for those guys working on mine sites!
The auto stop would be annoying in certain circumstances. at least it is on by choice for now.
I have a feeling doctors are going to hate this being that they make money off of our injuries 😂😂😂
Typical corporate thinking where safety doesn't count unless it's somehow inconvenient to the user. The engineers that designed this have their hearts in the right place, I'm sure, but the reset on that dead man's switch is just diabolical. Also, that aggressive brake might cause discs that screw directly into the arbor to come loose. It's not a bad idea per se but to make it work well it needs to start significantly more aggressively than it stops, to make the threads bind into place even if it was only hand-tight.
Although I'm sure these things are used by the kind of people who torque the disc down using the wrench, which normally you're not supposed to.
Do the new SDS DRILL
I hate it.
Just stay self employed and use your tools however you want to use your tools.
man those paddle switch grinders sucks to use, i use them at work all the time and i hate them.
a slide switch is not only easier to handle but you can do more things easier
The original way gives you the most leverage against kickbacks. What a redundant safety feature this one is!
People are just gonna put a clamp on the handle to avoid using both hands at the same time. That feature is plain dumb. What do you do if you have to work on a ladder? Use a third hand to hold yourself? There are other solutions to safety such as the accelerometers.
I cut the base of 4 fingers with an angle grinder when it kicked and knocked my hand off the paddle switch into the path of the disc.
Cut an artery so needed an ambulance for the blood loss, cut 3 tendons, so 4 hours of micro surgery and a 6 month+ recovery.
So yeah, they are dangerous.
I like the handle but the switches are bullshit
Strange stuff. Don't wanna buy it.
Fast stop is only good.
Love this GRINDER IF it WAS ABOUT $199 not $349 it CO$T more then there 2785-20 7 to 9 inch model $299 and a free 6 amp battery
Hmmm... well, inovation I guess... I dont like the american paddle switch. The handle adjustment is cool but not the extra switch, all the safety features just to mutch. I would be very annoyed. Using a grinder is like a fast IQ test, you will know very fast when you are not using your 🧠
Welp, won't be buying that grinder then. I'm not a commercial carpenter so I don't need all that safety. Also I'm not a numpty either. Give us a bare bones not safety version of that grinder instead
Paddle switch grinders. Designed by WHS people that have never used a grinder. They may want you to use a grinder two handed. But in reality, many don't. I would say I use them one handed 70 % of the time. Paddle switch not conducive to use like this. You have to hold it too low. Out of balance and awkward. Then the switch itself. Instant dead man shut off. But often they don't. Shit gets behind the Paddle. In the pivot. Whatever. They jamb up. Don't shut off as expected. Hook up an take the top of your thumb off. Ask me how I know. Wouldn't ever buy another Paddle switch grinder.
You haven't seen this video have you.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL No sorry. Not a Milwaukee fan either. Don't like them.
I knew as much as a lot of what you talk of is not applicable to this grinder. As this is not just a paddle switch grinder.
I love when people comment without watching the video at all 😅
@@davetaylor4741Me too. But it’s important to know the strength and weakness of this brand so you can talk shit about it. Without making a fool of yourself.
Seems like a good grinder... To give to a 10 year old for practice.
It's not just Makita. Dewalt has a new framing nailer coming out too!
Ban assault grinders 🙃
This is NOT something to be celebrated!
👍👍👍
i mainly use milwaukee toold but i have to be honest dewalt grinder is way better
This is bad enough to cause a Milwaukee boycott
No one is forcing you to buy it. They still make regular grinders. They are just making something to fit with safety rules on some sites. It's government rules you should be mad at, not the tool manufacturers.
Hi Tools. Back again. Now taken the time to watch the video. My impression of it now is even worse. Apart from being a Milwaukee. Which is never good. Fit for nothing. Is my conclusion. Cut out the middle man and throw it in the bin. If it was given to me as a free gift. I would donate it to someone else without even using it. The concept is flawed. I seldom use two hands. A lot of the stuff I am cutting. I am holding with the free hand. Over complicated. And just useless as a functional grinder. If this is the future. I'm glad I'm old.
Workers get extra discount for their insurance for using such grinder...
Ohh I cant wait until something on this grinder inevitably fails and its just out of warranty and you cant repair it in an economically viable way because its Milwaukee
The only question: Why? Tha side handle is an unusable, never use part of the angle grinder. It totally unnecessary. The second, which is every man drop to the garbage is the wheel guard. If you want work, the guard will get in an obtacles. Never use.
Sometimes you don't have a choice but to do something dangerous just saying
what the actual flip. why do I need to go through three steps to turn on my dang grinder. Not to mention the cheek of those bureaucratic dogs needing a full reset to turn on again. cant even tape the triggers shut, going to wire them to the paddle trigger. learn how to grind shit without being tarded.
This is stupid, would never buy it.
Thank the lawyers for this piece of crap.
Milwaukee stuff just breaks. No thanks
It's a much too complicated and difficult grinder to use to be successful, from my point of view it's a resounding failure In many situations a grinder user will want to remove this handle to have access in narrow places or effectively to lighten the weight machines, the fact that you always have this handle attached to the grinder is a big stupidity. The fact that you have to keep your hand on the grinder all the time to work is a big piece of crap, from my point of view it is good for one thing - to grind materials, there you really need to have both hands on the grinder to work efficiently and safely. I will never buy this tool regardless of the price.
Chińczycy są za drodzy to przenieśli produkcję do Wietnamu!
Kinda looks unusable
The woke grinder. For your 5 year old I guess
No one is buying that….
Too many switches to engage, are these for women?
For kids in kindergarten)
Engage safety squints
1st
No, I was 1st.