When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6
"Qira'at is late (10th century), and arose because of significant differences (still present!) in the Qurans. It was left, apparently, to ibn Mujahid and others to solve these problems by establishing different, but equally canonical readings. Who gave them authority to do that? If the Quran was perfectly preserved, there would be no need for Qira'at." -Gabriel Said Reynolds, The Quran in Its Historical Context. London: Routledge, 2007
Hey bro, Quran being read with different prononciations is like the english language pronounced differently by nations like Indians, Americans and Brits and etc. Why are you not looking for a reasonable answer?
The differences between the Birmingham manuscript and the modern qurans listed by scholar Marijn van putten: In the Birmingham manuscript we find the following: * Q10:45 *naḥšuruhum* which is the reading of all readers except Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim. * Q10:58 *taǧmaʿūna* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ruways ʿan Yaʿqūb. All others read *yaǧmaʿūna*. * Q18:26 *tušrik* which is a reading unique to Ibn ʿĀmir. The rest has *yušrik*. * Q20:13 *ʾaḫtartuka* which is the majority readnig. Only Ḥamzah has *ʾaḫtarnāka*. * Q21:80 *li-tuḥsinakum* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim, as opposed to *li-nuḥṣinakum*. * Q21:87 *naqdir* which is the reading of everyone but Yaʿqūb. Yaʿqūb has *yuqdar*. * Q21:104 *naṭwī* which is the reading of everyone by ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar. ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar has *tuṭwā*. * Q22:45 *ʾahlaknāhā* which is the majority reading. ʾAbū ʿAmr and yaʿqūb read *ʾahlaktunā*. * Q22:47 *taʿuddūna* which is the majority reading. Ibn Kaṯīr, Ḥamzah. al-Kisāʾī and Ḫalaf read *yaʿuddūna.* * Q23:21 *nusqīkum* or *nasqīkum*, which is the majority reading. Only ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar reads *tasqīkumū*.
I just now got it so assuming we’re talking of the same app, it’s still there. Thanks for the recommendation. In my best diabolical laugh, I can’t wait to try it out.
I watched The Deen show and his hit piece video against Bishop Mar Mari after he was attacked and now I'm watching your video and criticism of a certain aspect of the Quran and the contrast between the content is truly remarkable.. thanks for posting your studies and critiques
Muslim Apologists hold onto absurd beliefs like the challenge of the Quran to produce a surah like it when artificial intelligence today (ChatGPT4) can not only improve the contents of the Quran like its inheritance laws etc. but produce more eloquent verses in Arabic too.
When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6
The differences between the Birmingham manuscript and the modern qurans listed by scholar Marijn van putten: In the Birmingham manuscript we find the following: * Q10:45 *naḥšuruhum* which is the reading of all readers except Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim. * Q10:58 *taǧmaʿūna* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ruways ʿan Yaʿqūb. All others read *yaǧmaʿūna*. * Q18:26 *tušrik* which is a reading unique to Ibn ʿĀmir. The rest has *yušrik*. * Q20:13 *ʾaḫtartuka* which is the majority readnig. Only Ḥamzah has *ʾaḫtarnāka*. * Q21:80 *li-tuḥsinakum* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim, as opposed to *li-nuḥṣinakum*. * Q21:87 *naqdir* which is the reading of everyone but Yaʿqūb. Yaʿqūb has *yuqdar*. * Q21:104 *naṭwī* which is the reading of everyone by ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar. ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar has *tuṭwā*. * Q22:45 *ʾahlaknāhā* which is the majority reading. ʾAbū ʿAmr and yaʿqūb read *ʾahlaktunā*. * Q22:47 *taʿuddūna* which is the majority reading. Ibn Kaṯīr, Ḥamzah. al-Kisāʾī and Ḫalaf read *yaʿuddūna.* * Q23:21 *nusqīkum* or *nasqīkum*, which is the majority reading. Only ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar reads *tasqīkumū*.
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris Thank you for your input here. It helps to readily explain how so many Muslims appear baffled and incapable of successfully debating in favour of Islam, and why they instead resort to deflection and ad hominem.
Brother Chris, thank you for your hard work and dedication. God bless, brother. Most of the verses not borrowed by Mo are corrupt from drinking too much Khamr.
Such a messed up religion ! They have to make up stuff as they go to get it to make sense. The Quran is unchanged is one of most ridiculous. And there are many. Great job Chris as always.🙏
Christians : aware of textual variants .. reference them in many modern translations of the bible Muslims : aware of textual variants ... burn the evidence and claim perfect preservation Draw your own conclusions
Whatever ahruf were they were eliminated in the Uthman standardisation. From that time onwards there should have been just one text of the quran - purely because a human decided what words to use and commanded that all other quranic texts be destroyed. Uthman was a partner of al-lah.
Dear Chris, you do a great job of pointing out the contradictions that the Islamic apologists get themselves entangled in to ensure the perfect preservation of the Quran. But it is very tedious. Wouldn't it be easier to question how it can be that the supposedly eternal Word of God can have dialects that arise from worldly circumstances? If the Quran is an uncreated attribute of God and Arabic is the language of the Quran, how can there be different dialects IN God? And if the dialects do not exist IN God, how can the Qur'an still be the direct word of God?
That's a really good point - I'm interested in opening up lesser known ways of critiquing the "perfect preservation" myth of the Qurans. I do agree that there's much more simpler ways of pointing out the same idea - this way I think is the theological death kneel for perfect preservation because it shows Muhammad never cosigned on 10 different readings that were agreed upon nearly 900 years later - and that 85% (6/7) different "modes" of the Quran have likely been lost.
@@chrisatspeakerscornerabduls will tell you the arabic language itself is uncreated like allah. This is why they worship the arabic language and this is why their allah is an arab
@@chrisatspeakerscorner You're doing it right. That was just a thought that went through my head while I was watching the video and I wanted to hold on to it. I think you can make a good argument from it. If there is, speaking in Platonic terms, an eternal idea of the Quran, it's ridiculous to think that an idea could contain dialects or readings.
@@chrisatspeakerscorner I watched your presentation yesterday in Avery Channel. I was waiting back stage for more than 2 Hours to discuss with you and refute all your claims. All Muslims who came after me joined the panel except me? Avery know me very good and he was so afraid to let me join you. I'm willing to discuss the same topic with you here in your channel. Quran never affirm your Bible and you twisted verses of the Holy Quran to suite your needs . Looking forward to hear from you.
Ask a Sunni Muslim Apologist: if tawatar is the only condition needed for a recitation to be aurhentic then what about Shia tawatar recitations. Are you ready to accept that?
Scholar Marijn van putten doesn't believe the chains of narrators of the qurans are reliable: The chains cannot really be independently verified (nor can any chain back to the prophet for any of the canonical readers). Hythem Sidky presented a nice paper on the topic at IQSA last year, comparing what is reported for Hafs against what is reported for al-Sulami. Didn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's significantly transmitting data from al-Sulami. But Dr. Sidky hasn't published the paper yet
The fact that Muslims say their unverifiable oral chains are reliable (because so-and-so was honest), yet criticise our written transmission is absolute evidence Muslims are brainwashed
If these guys are going to use the "7 modes" or "Ahrufs" and "Qira'a" as an explanation for massive differences between Koran Arabic variants, then somebody tell them that they should logically apply the same excuse for explaining the four Injeel variants as "Ahrufs" (readings) formed for different cultural audiences; or the different Bible variants for that matter. It makes them look like idiots for making those sorts of excuses.
When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6
According to Bukhari, hafs is unreliable but his quran is accepted by modern days Islamic scholar. Please ask Farid, how can he say Hafs quran is transmitted perfectly from Muhammad? Something fishy in the chain of narration.
Quran and hadith even say something like "Allah doesn't put two hearts in one man" which isn't about literal hearts but about one person not having two natures - either Hafs is reliable or he is not, but muslim scholars seemed to forget this when accepting the hafs quran
Scholar Marijn van putten doesn't believe the chains of narrators of the qurans are reliable: The chains cannot really be independently verified (nor can any chain back to the prophet for any of the canonical readers). Hythem Sidky presented a nice paper on the topic at IQSA last year, comparing what is reported for Hafs against what is reported for al-Sulami. Didn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's significantly transmitting data from al-Sulami. But Dr. Sidky hasn't published the paper yet
Farid just made it worse. In 3 weeks we have gone from "There is 1 perfect quran" to 7 different reading qurans, to 10 recitation qurans, to 70 reading and recitation qurans (7x10), and now with Farid you have 7! Quran. That means 5040 different quran according to Farid, because you can have any combination of the 7. There are now 5040 qurans. Edit: actually, I have just realised it is worth than that. Assuming Google is correct there are 6346 verses in the quran, and being generous lets say you have to pick a reading, you can't mix and match half way through. You can switch between readings as you change verses. So you actually get 7^6346 qurans. To put that into perspective my phone breaks calculating that. It breaks after 7^346 at 4.13e307. No wonder Egypt canonised a reading in 1924.
When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
The problem is that the Koran is supposed to be the unmediated, unaltered word of the Muslim God, passed on by an angelic messenger as written in a tablet in Heaven. Different versions do not square with that.
for those who are saying that Quran has got a lot of ways of reciting are like those learners who complain that the english language has got a lot of accents so that it means there a lot of english languages, that is absolutely insane, go look it up. Find the truth for yourself.
@@truthseeker457“I heard Hisham ibn Hakim reciting Surat al-Furqan in a manner different from that in which I used to recite it and the way in which the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) taught me to recite it. I was about to argue with him whilst he was praying, but I waited until he finished his prayer, and then I tied his garment around his neck and seized him by it and brought him to the Messenger of Allah
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris ok if he (I don’t know if this happened) recited it in a wrong way and was brought to the prophet muhammad peace be upon him afterwards. He (peace be upon him) must’ve corrected him. So what is the problem you have with islam?
If the ahrufs are the 7 dialects attributed to the tribes at the time, am I right in thinking that Farid was saying that qirat were effectively compilations from amongst those ahrufs? Isn't that like having a book written in Geordie, then translated into a Cockney version, a Scouse version.... and then compiling a book where you take a bit from the Geordie version, another bit from the Cockney version? Have I understood this correctly? Elsewhere, I've seen qirats refer to pronunciation, but that would surely be the ahruf, as different dialects have different pronunciations for the same word.
From, Islamqa, 5142 The revelation of the Quran in seven styles (ahruf, sing. harf) Secondly, what is meant by styles (ahruf, sing. harf)? The best of the scholarly opinions concerning what is meant is that there are seven ways of reciting the Quran, where the wording may differ but the meaning is the same; if there is a different meaning then it is by way of variations on a theme, not opposing and contradiction. Thirdly: Some of the scholars said that what was meant by ahruf was the dialects of the Arabs, but this is far-fetched, because of the hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab who said: “I heard Hishaam ibn Hakeem reciting Soorat al-Furqaan in a manner different from that in which I used to recite it and the way in which the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) taught me to recite it. I was about to argue with him whilst he was praying, but I waited until he finished his prayer, and then I tied his garment around his neck and seized him by it and brought him to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, I heard this man reciting Soorat-al-Furqaan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.’ The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said to him, ‘Recite it,’ and he recited it as I had heard him recite it. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘It was revealed like this.’ Then he said to me, ‘Recite it,’ so I recited it and he said, ‘It was revealed like this.’ This Qur'aan has been revealed in seven different ways, so recite it in the way that is easiest for you.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2287; Muslim, 818) It is known that Hishaam was Asadi Qurashi (i.e., from the clan of Bani Asad in Quraysh) and ‘Umar was ‘Adawi Qurashi (i.e., from the clan of Bani ‘Adiyy in Quraysh). Both of them were from Quraysh and Quraysh had only one dialect. If the difference in ahruf (styles) had been a difference in dialects, why would two men of Quraysh have been different? The scholars mentioned nearly forty different opinions concerning this matter! Perhaps the most correct is that which we have mentioned above. And Allah knows best.
"Combination of Modes" (Qira'a)? So, each new combination is just a new man-made "Ahruf" as further pollution of the original perfect oral Arabic used by Allah (sic) through the violent (Hira Cave) Jibril (sic); LOL!!!
"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)
@@jameswitt108 "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
@@jameswitt108 But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
@@jameswitt108 So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
@@jameswitt108 “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Even if what Farid said was spot on you would need Muhammad explaining detail of the seven or you would end up with a later Muslim having more ditailed knowledge of Quran then was revealed to Muhammad, making later Muslim final Prophet.
let's use Farid logic and see what happaned let said God revealed these 8 letters (considered too be AHRUF) 1. Aa B C D E F G H 2. A Bb C D E F G H 3. A B Cc D E F G H 4. A B C Dd E F G H 5. A B C D Ee F G H 6. A B C D E Ff G H 7. A B C D E F Gg H and then these what supposed to be qiraat, based on Farid's understanding that qiraat is the combination of ahruf 1. Aa Bb C D E F G H 2. Aa B C D E F Gg H 3. A B C D E Ff Gg H 4. Aa B Cc D Ee F G H 5. A Bb Cc D E F G H 6. A B C Dd Ee F G H 7. A Bb C D E Ff G H 8. Aa B C Dd E F Gg H 9. A Bb C DD E Ff G H 10. A B C D Ee Ff Gg H so based on these examples, do you think the 10 is created by God or by Humans?
@@amjidhuss1092 It's a standard jewish prayer. Paul, who was Saul before as a high level jewish, especifies what it means in 1 Corinthians 8:6. Conclusion, Deuteronomy favors the Trinity.
For Muslims, where are the stoning and adult breast feeding verses? How comes Aisha had them in her Quran but you don’t have them in your current Quran. Here’s the answer in this Hadith Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” But in Quran chapters 6:115 and 18:27 say no one can change the words of Allah. So no man can change the words but a tame sheep can eat them, perfect preservation. lol 😂
Ali Dawah recently released a video about David Wood's worst nightmare in relation to Mohammed being found in the Bible. They put together a book about this check it out.
You don’t seem to understand the concept that the Arabic language is a living language that has continued to evolve through history, and Allah has preserved the Quran with his wisdom.
Artificial Intelligence today (ChatGPT4) has the ability to beat the challenge of the Quran both by improving the Quran e.g. the inheritance laws and producing more eloquent verses.
"Dialectic variants" but really are remanents of versions of the quran, and its the way to cover the lie that not even a dot has being changed in the quran in 1400 years
When you're talking to _Paulian_ ... Q: Who is God? A: Jesus Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary? A: Yes, Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary) Q: Is Jesus a born son? A: Yes, Q: Who is his father? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife Q: Is Jesus the servant of God? A: Yes, Q: Did Jesus die on the cross? A: Yes, Q: And for whom did he go up? A: To God *God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus Q: Is Jesus a Messenger? A: Yes, Q: Who sent him? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive? A: yes, Q: Whom was he praying for? A: For God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus worships God Jesus himself Q: Does God have a beginning? A: No Q: So who was born on December 25th? A: Jesus Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec Q: Where is God? A: In heaven Q: How many Gods are there in heaven? A: God is only one. Q: Where is Jesus sitting? A: He is sitting on the right of God. Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven? A: Only one God Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting to the right of God. Q: So how many gods are there in heaven? A: Only one god. Still Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So who many seated gods are there? A: Only one God? Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting next to the god. Q: How many gods are in heaven? A: Only one. Q: Are they sitting on the same chair? A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit. *so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🤡
When you're talking to Paulian ... Q: Who is God? A: The Father, Son (The Word), & Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary? A: Yes Q: Who is God? A: The Father, Son (The Word), & Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. *God the Father sent Jesus the Son who has existed eternally as The Word to Mary via immaculate conception. (John 1:1) Q: Is Jesus a born son? A: Yes Q: Who is his father? A: God the Father Q: Who is God? A: The Father, Son (The Word), & Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. *God the Father is the father of God the Son (The Word) and the creator of the mother He was born from, God has no wife because He doesn’t marry/have sex Jesus was born through immaculate conception. (Luke 1:28-38) Q: Is Jesus the servant of God? A: Yes, while in the flesh He came as a servant to be sacrificed on behalf of all mankind to defeat death and sin and satisfy the requirements for divine justice. Also because He is the Son not the Father but still God in essence because He previously existed as The Word. Status doesn’t dictate ontology. Q: Did Jesus die on the cross? A: Yes, but He rose again and was witnessed by a myriad of people who later died instead of recanting their testimonies. Q: And for whom did he go up? A: To God the Father, He went back to Heaven after completing His Earthly mission. *God the Son (The Word) was crucified & ascended to God the Father and now sits at His Right Hand (1 Peter 3:22) Q: Is Jesus a Messenger? A: He delivered many messages but that was secondary to His main objective, and even without any message, He was still sent to be a savior for mankind by defeating death and sin. (1 Corinthians 15:54-57) Q: Who sent him? A: God the Father Q: Who is God? A: The Father, The Son (The Word), and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. *God the Son is the Messiah for mankind sent by God the Father. God sends Himself as a Redeemer for His Own Law. Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive? A: Yes, while in the flesh He experienced real human tribulations and temptations and overcame them all, He truly defeated sin but would still reach out to His Father for comfort. Q: Whom was he praying for? A: He was praying to His Father who was in Heaven whom He had never been separated from up until the point that He was made flesh. Q: Who is God? A: The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. *God the Son worships God the Father, the Holy Spirit concedes to the Father as well but The Father has bestowed all authority to The Son. (Matthew 28:18) This means God praises Himself through the different persons of His Own Trinity showcasing complete synergy and agreement with Self. Q: Does God have a beginning? A: No, He exists Eternally and so does His Word (The Son) and His Spirit (The Holy Spirit) Q: So who was born on December 25th? A: The Word was made flesh and put into the womb of a virgin woman and on December 25th it is believed that Jesus Christ the Eternal Word of God made flesh was born. Q: Who is God? A: The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. *God is eternal before everything but His Word was made flesh and born on December 25th Q: Where is God? A: In Heaven Q: How many Gods are there in heaven? A: One God but He is a Triune God. The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. Q: Where is Jesus sitting? A: He is sitting on the right Hand of the Father. *Isaiah 46:9 *Psalm 45:7 *1 Peter 3:22 Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Not a god He is God-The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven? A: One God but He is a Triune God. The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. Q: Where is Jesus? A: He previously existed in Heaven as The Word after being made flesh, defeating death and sin, and traveling back to Heaven He now sits at the right Hand of God as Jesus Christ. Q: So how many gods are there in heaven? A: One God but He is a Triune God. The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Not a god He is God-The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. Q: So who many seated gods are there? A: The Father sits on His Throne, The Son sits on His Throne and the Holy Spirit emanates from both. Like I said before 3 Persons, 1 Essence. (John 15:26) Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is seated on His Throne at the Right Hand of the Father. Q: How many gods are in heaven? A: One God but He is a Triune God. The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence. Q: Are they sitting on the same chair? A: No they clearly have separate Thrones. Why do you limit God to your understanding of reality when He said there is nothing like Him? There is nothing in creation that is analogous to or with Him so why do you try? Can God not be in multiple places at once? Do you believe God to not be omnipotent? Why do you limit Him? *So.. God the Father sacrificed God the Son to satisfy Divine Justice in order for God to save His Creation without Breaking His Own Divine Laws. This is what love is. While in the flesh Christ the Son prayed to God the Father as He struggled with the human tribulations and temptations He was put through but He knew His mission and proceeded forth, and God the Father allowed the humans to crucify Jesus Christ but He died not for He rose again after defeating death and sin. God exists eternally as a Triune. There is nothing or no one else like Him. The Father, The Word (The Son) and The Spirit (The Holy Spirit) are one. The Word was made flesh and became known as Jesus Christ and now sits again at the Right Hand of the Father. 🙏🏽.
But it is still weak argument. If you would be able to find two(or ten) official government sites with qurans, where you can see difference in arabic text and reflection of that in translation(by same person, or at least same translation of same parts by different people). It would mean something. Yet we all open that greenish quran site, and get information from same source, it would be better to concentrate efforts on contradictions inside text itself.
The differences between the Birmingham manuscript and the modern qurans listed by scholar Marijn van putten: In the Birmingham manuscript we find the following: * Q10:45 *naḥšuruhum* which is the reading of all readers except Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim. * Q10:58 *taǧmaʿūna* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ruways ʿan Yaʿqūb. All others read *yaǧmaʿūna*. * Q18:26 *tušrik* which is a reading unique to Ibn ʿĀmir. The rest has *yušrik*. * Q20:13 *ʾaḫtartuka* which is the majority readnig. Only Ḥamzah has *ʾaḫtarnāka*. * Q21:80 *li-tuḥsinakum* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim, as opposed to *li-nuḥṣinakum*. * Q21:87 *naqdir* which is the reading of everyone but Yaʿqūb. Yaʿqūb has *yuqdar*. * Q21:104 *naṭwī* which is the reading of everyone by ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar. ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar has *tuṭwā*. * Q22:45 *ʾahlaknāhā* which is the majority reading. ʾAbū ʿAmr and yaʿqūb read *ʾahlaktunā*. * Q22:47 *taʿuddūna* which is the majority reading. Ibn Kaṯīr, Ḥamzah. al-Kisāʾī and Ḫalaf read *yaʿuddūna.* * Q23:21 *nusqīkum* or *nasqīkum*, which is the majority reading. Only ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar reads *tasqīkumū*.
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris why cant i say: what a miracle, so many mistakes were overcome by wisdom of god, to create one modern Cairo edition! That perfectly reflects original meaning and corrects grammatical errors in ancient manuscripts! Indeed no man would be able to create such Cairo edition quran, it is a proof it is the word of god himself!... Mr.Alonzo, 80% dont know language and have no access to any different qurans. Even if you found manuscript in some garbage pit, it doesn't disprove modern text and religion itself
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris 80% dont know language and have no access to any different qurans. Even if you found manuscript in some garbage pit, it doesn't disprove modern text and religion itself
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris 80% dont know language and have no access to any different qurans. Even if you found manuscript in some garbage pit, it doesn't disprove modern text.
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris 80% dont know language and have no access to any different qurans. Even if you found manuscript in some pit, it doesn't disprove modern text. You fight for idea "we don't have original text", but since when it was important to disprove religion?
Read Jeremiah in context. Jeremiah 26:4 "Say to them, ‘This is what the Lord says: If you do not listen to me and follow my law, which I have set before you," Set before you? Seems like the word of God is preserved after all. Revelation 22:18 is another example of God guarding His word thoroughly. Your prophet himself confirmed our scriptures. Read sahih bukhari 3635 where muhammad confirmed the Torah and read Quran 3:48 - 50. You can also read mishkat al-masabih 81 where mohammed affirms that God wrote the Torah, jami` at-tirmidhi 2653 where mohammed affirms that the Christians and Jews still have the Torah and the Gospels and sahih al-bukhari 3635 where mohammed uses the Torah as authoritative. Read sahih bukhari 3635 carefully and next go read about Jesus and the woman caught in adultery John 8:1-11. Both Jesus and mohammad were in the same situation in these cases, but they chose differently. Who is better? The one who sinned (sahih bukhari 6565) and still condemned (sahih bukhari 3635) or the one who never sinned and did not condemn? Quran 69:44-66:47 allah promised to cut the aorta of muhammad if he lied. After that, read. Sahih al-Bukhari 4428. muhammad can't be a true prophet.
Seems like according to the global corruption index, Islam corrupt nations, yet you defend your child marriage and slavery and rampant crime under Islam. Seems your people desire to leave Islamic nations to come to ours, not the other way around. You don’t see people flocking to live in Syria and Somalia. People risk death to come to Europe and USA. May God help your struggling people who suffer under Islam.
When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6
Which one of these Quran’s is in Allah’s brothel? Different Arabic Versions of the Qurans 1. Qaloon Arabic Version 2. Al Susi (Ibn Katheer) Arabic Version 3. Khaled Arabic Version 4. Idrees Arabic Version 5. Warsh Arabic Version 6. Hafs Ad-Dury (Abu Amro Al Basri) Arabic Version 7. Al Laith Arabic Version 8. Al Baazi Arabic Version 9. Al Azraq Arabic Version 10. Al Susi (Abu Amro Al Basri) Arabic Version 11. Ad Dury Alkisa’i Arabic Version 12. Ibn Shambood Arabic Version 13. Al Asbahaani Arabic Version 14. Hisham Arabic Version 15. Ibn Dhakwan Arabic Version 16. Isa Bin Wardan Arabic Version 17. Sulayman Arabic Version 18. Ibn Jammaz Arabic Version 19. Ahmad Bin Farah Arabic Version 20. Qunbul Arabic Version 21. Showba Arabic Version 22. Ruwais Arabic Version 23. Shujaa Bin Abi Nasr Al Balakhi Arabic Version 24. Abu Amro Al Ala Arabic Version 25. Hafs 1924 Cairo Edition Arabic Version 26. Ruh Arabic Version 27. Al Dury (Al Hasan Al Basri) Arabic Version 28. Hafs Al Dury (Ibn Kathir) Arabic Version 29. Khalf Arabic Version 30. Ishaq Arabic Version 31. Al Hasan Bin Said Al Matuu’l Arabic Version 32. Abu Farah Al Shan Budhi Arabic Version 33. Ibn Masud Arabic Version 34. Ubai Kab Arabic Version 35. Ibn Abaas Arabic Version 36. Abu Musa Arabic Version 37. Hafs 1982 Arabic Version 38. Sana Arabic Version
@@AlonzoHarris235 the definition of the Quran is……… Fan boy fiction Ad hoc Plagiarism Local pagan beliefs grafted on Blasphemy Deception Errant Uninformative Without context Incoherent Compiled in a crude way (shortstop to longest and not in revelation order) How’s this for a list of definitions? Sorry if I missed any synonyms out.
THE BIBLE: The Bible was originally written in three different languages (Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic), on three different continents (Europe, Asia, and Africa), in a time-spend of over 1500 years, by over forty different authors among whom were kings, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, poets, statesmen, scholars, a herdsman, a general, a cupbearer, a doctor, a tax collector, and a rabbi. Without contradicting one another, each author wrote on the common theme of God’s enduring love for mankind, and God’s redeeming plan of salvation through His Son - Jesus Christ. * Unlike the Quran written in a period of about 23 years in Mohammed’s native tongue (the Quraishi tribal dialect and then translated into the Arabic language), the forty plus different authors of the Bible were moved by the Spirit of God to write down truths about God in their own ways of thinking, in their own ways of understanding, and in their own ways of reasoning in that which is truth. Each author also wrote down the truths of God in his own style of compositions - be it essay, music, or poetry. * Critics of the Bible claimed the Bible contains contradictions. How? - Because two different authors living hundreds and hundreds of years apart on two different continents, and whose writing styles (essay, music, or poetry) in two different languages did not use the same word or phrase to describe the same event. How ridiculous the claim! * We must also consider the Bible was not originally written on computer software (Microsoft Disk, iPad, or CD Rom), but rather the Bible was written on papyrus - a wet land plant-based substance (or materials) that would rot and decay; thus, making the transcribers (copyists, clerks) to primitively re-write the Bible by hands unto new papyrus decades, after decades, after decades for centuries, after centuries, after centuries… What monumental feet in all human existence - What an enormous human ingenuity of preservation!
Chris you are so ignorant. You don't discuss to learn but to attack and criticize. Dr. Fadel spoke with you explain it to you but you still argumentative and talkative repeating the same silly claims for nothing. Educate yourself before you run your mouth.
When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6
Bow to artificial intelligence (ChatGPT4) that has the ability to not only improve the contents of your Quran but to produce more eloquent verses in Arabic.
Could you please create a 1min 30 second video debunking the myth of single quran, mentioning the main and irrefutable points? It's easier then to share on social media! thanks!
When talking to an abdul:
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Is hafs quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is warsh quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is doori quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Are all qurans around the world same?
A. Yes
Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants?
A. Yes
Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter?
A. Yes
Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"?
A. They are different accents
Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite?
A. 7
Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy?
A. 6
Q. How many ahrufs today?
A. 7
Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite?
A. None
Q. How many qiraats today?
A. 10, 15, 20, 50
Q. Is Bible preserved?
A. No
Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible?
A. Yes
Q. Did muhamad marry a child?
A. No
Q. How old was aisha?
A. 6
"Without LIES islam DIES!"
@@normalisoverrated
Islam died when Caliph Uthman burnt the original Qur'an.
The dumbest arguments I have ever read
@@YT_Monke
islam is dumb
Even with lies, islam STILL dies.
The difference between Christian and muslim apologists. Evidence from both sides on the Christian side, obfuscation muslim side
Dakwa is the art of obsfucation.
5 pillars of islam:
1. PEDOPHILIA (sura 65.4, Bukhari 5133)
2. MUT’AH MARRIAGE (sura 4.24)
3. HALALA MARRIAGE (sura 2.230)
4. ADULTBREASTFEEDING (Sahih Muslim 8:3425)
5. TAQIYYA (sura 16.106, 3.28, Sahih Bukhari 3:49:857)
"Qira'at is late (10th century), and arose because of significant differences (still present!) in the Qurans. It was left, apparently, to ibn Mujahid and others to solve these problems by establishing different, but equally canonical readings. Who gave them authority to do that? If the Quran was perfectly preserved, there would be no need for Qira'at."
-Gabriel Said Reynolds, The Quran in Its Historical Context. London: Routledge, 2007
Hey bro, Quran being read with different prononciations is like the english language pronounced differently by nations like Indians, Americans and Brits and etc. Why are you not looking for a reasonable answer?
@@truthseeker457
Because these qiraats impact the meanings
The differences between the Birmingham manuscript and the modern qurans listed by scholar Marijn van putten:
In the Birmingham manuscript we find the following:
* Q10:45 *naḥšuruhum* which is the reading of all readers except Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim.
* Q10:58 *taǧmaʿūna* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ruways ʿan Yaʿqūb. All others read *yaǧmaʿūna*.
* Q18:26 *tušrik* which is a reading unique to Ibn ʿĀmir. The rest has *yušrik*.
* Q20:13 *ʾaḫtartuka* which is the majority readnig. Only Ḥamzah has *ʾaḫtarnāka*.
* Q21:80 *li-tuḥsinakum* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim, as opposed to *li-nuḥṣinakum*.
* Q21:87 *naqdir* which is the reading of everyone but Yaʿqūb. Yaʿqūb has *yuqdar*.
* Q21:104 *naṭwī* which is the reading of everyone by ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar. ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar has *tuṭwā*.
* Q22:45 *ʾahlaknāhā* which is the majority reading. ʾAbū ʿAmr and yaʿqūb read *ʾahlaktunā*.
* Q22:47 *taʿuddūna* which is the majority reading. Ibn Kaṯīr, Ḥamzah. al-Kisāʾī and Ḫalaf read *yaʿuddūna.*
* Q23:21 *nusqīkum* or *nasqīkum*, which is the majority reading. Only ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar reads *tasqīkumū*.
Great work Chris!
Love your work Chris. Thanks for recommending the Bridges Quran as it makes reading a messy and nonsensical book far easier.
Did you get the app before it was taken down? I'm pleased to say, I did
@@ProfYaffle it got taken down? It looks available as of 4/21/24
@@matt291 I thought Chris said so. Maybe I misunderstood. Good
I just now got it so assuming we’re talking of the same app, it’s still there. Thanks for the recommendation. In my best diabolical laugh, I can’t wait to try it out.
@@QueenQaffir Bridges Translation us the app
Praying for you brother, May our Lord bless you and protect you.
I watched The Deen show and his hit piece video against Bishop Mar Mari after he was attacked and now I'm watching your video and criticism of a certain aspect of the Quran and the contrast between the content is truly remarkable.. thanks for posting your studies and critiques
Outstanding Chris! Explained brilliantly.
Farid is a joke. He makes no sense and tactically ignores all facts. Another example of: without lies, and liars, islame dies.
Muslim Apologists hold onto absurd beliefs like the challenge of the Quran to produce a surah like it when artificial intelligence today (ChatGPT4) can not only improve the contents of the Quran like its inheritance laws etc. but produce more eloquent verses in Arabic too.
Muslims -
"My koran is perfect! "
Internet -
"Hold my beer..."
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"Thank ya mother for the rabbits!" 🤣🤣🤣
When talking to an abdul:
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Is hafs quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is warsh quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is doori quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Are all qurans around the world same?
A. Yes
Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants?
A. Yes
Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter?
A. Yes
Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"?
A. They are different accents
Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite?
A. 7
Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy?
A. 6
Q. How many ahrufs today?
A. 7
Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite?
A. None
Q. How many qiraats today?
A. 10, 15, 20, 50
Q. Is Bible preserved?
A. No
Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible?
A. Yes
Q. Did muhamad marry a child?
A. No
Q. How old was aisha?
A. 6
The differences between the Birmingham manuscript and the modern qurans listed by scholar Marijn van putten:
In the Birmingham manuscript we find the following:
* Q10:45 *naḥšuruhum* which is the reading of all readers except Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim.
* Q10:58 *taǧmaʿūna* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ruways ʿan Yaʿqūb. All others read *yaǧmaʿūna*.
* Q18:26 *tušrik* which is a reading unique to Ibn ʿĀmir. The rest has *yušrik*.
* Q20:13 *ʾaḫtartuka* which is the majority readnig. Only Ḥamzah has *ʾaḫtarnāka*.
* Q21:80 *li-tuḥsinakum* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim, as opposed to *li-nuḥṣinakum*.
* Q21:87 *naqdir* which is the reading of everyone but Yaʿqūb. Yaʿqūb has *yuqdar*.
* Q21:104 *naṭwī* which is the reading of everyone by ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar. ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar has *tuṭwā*.
* Q22:45 *ʾahlaknāhā* which is the majority reading. ʾAbū ʿAmr and yaʿqūb read *ʾahlaktunā*.
* Q22:47 *taʿuddūna* which is the majority reading. Ibn Kaṯīr, Ḥamzah. al-Kisāʾī and Ḫalaf read *yaʿuddūna.*
* Q23:21 *nusqīkum* or *nasqīkum*, which is the majority reading. Only ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar reads *tasqīkumū*.
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris Thank you for your input here. It helps to readily explain how so many Muslims appear baffled and incapable of successfully debating in favour of Islam, and why they instead resort to deflection and ad hominem.
Rushdie's Satanic verses are perfectly preserved. Quran isn't. Draw your own conclusions.
Serious work, Chris!!!
Brother Chris, thank you for your hard work and dedication. God bless, brother.
Most of the verses not borrowed by Mo are corrupt from drinking too much Khamr.
I JUST subscribed to you Chris I SAW you at speakers corner glad you're on Team Jesus Christ
God bless you all 🙏🏼
Such a messed up religion ! They have to make up stuff as they go to get it to make sense. The Quran is unchanged is one of most ridiculous. And there are many. Great job Chris as always.🙏
Hi I couldn't find the link to the previous video you mentioned in this video, great work by the way 👍
ua-cam.com/video/1TESpMms7pE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ChrisAtSpeaker%27sCorner
Christians : aware of textual variants .. reference them in many modern translations of the bible
Muslims : aware of textual variants ... burn the evidence and claim perfect preservation
Draw your own conclusions
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and despite buring the variants... IT STILL EXIST. XD One cannot destroy the word of allah. XD
Variations and mistakes came first, excuses came second, that's why the narrative is full of holes
Excellent ❤❤
God bless you Chris #In Jesus.. Allah was a counterfeit god and talked in codes that should remain in muddy waters 🎉
Even Ijaz Ahmed ADMITTED: Quran HAS mistakes... Yet, they just leave them there...
Apparently, Allah has dementia
I mean…he even forgot his name.
Ijaz does admit any such thing. That’s a straight up lie!!!
@@Dawah-Quest
So why would you believe in Islam when Ijaz Ahmed admits that?
Didn’t shabir Ali also admit that Quran was preserved in meaning only and not words and letters ?
Although even in meaning isn’t strictly accurate
Evidently all-ah had all-Alzheimer’s.
Thank you Chris !!
Whatever ahruf were they were eliminated in the Uthman standardisation. From that time onwards there should have been just one text of the quran - purely because a human decided what words to use and commanded that all other quranic texts be destroyed. Uthman was a partner of al-lah.
Dear Chris, you do a great job of pointing out the contradictions that the Islamic apologists get themselves entangled in to ensure the perfect preservation of the Quran. But it is very tedious. Wouldn't it be easier to question how it can be that the supposedly eternal Word of God can have dialects that arise from worldly circumstances? If the Quran is an uncreated attribute of God and Arabic is the language of the Quran, how can there be different dialects IN God? And if the dialects do not exist IN God, how can the Qur'an still be the direct word of God?
That's a really good point - I'm interested in opening up lesser known ways of critiquing the "perfect preservation" myth of the Qurans. I do agree that there's much more simpler ways of pointing out the same idea - this way I think is the theological death kneel for perfect preservation because it shows Muhammad never cosigned on 10 different readings that were agreed upon nearly 900 years later - and that 85% (6/7) different "modes" of the Quran have likely been lost.
@@chrisatspeakerscornerabduls will tell you the arabic language itself is uncreated like allah. This is why they worship the arabic language and this is why their allah is an arab
@@chrisatspeakerscorner You're doing it right. That was just a thought that went through my head while I was watching the video and I wanted to hold on to it. I think you can make a good argument from it. If there is, speaking in Platonic terms, an eternal idea of the Quran, it's ridiculous to think that an idea could contain dialects or readings.
@@chrisatspeakerscorner I watched your presentation yesterday in Avery Channel. I was waiting back stage for more than 2 Hours to discuss with you and refute all your claims. All Muslims who came after me joined the panel except me? Avery know me very good and he was so afraid to let me join you. I'm willing to discuss the same topic with you here in your channel. Quran never affirm your Bible and you twisted verses of the Holy Quran to suite your needs . Looking forward to hear from you.
Very clean Job -- Good work!!
One variant is that between Hafs' Qala ('He) said' versus Warsh's Qul 'Say!' in S 21:4. قال/قل A consonantal difference.
Ask a Sunni Muslim Apologist: if tawatar is the only condition needed for a recitation to be aurhentic then what about Shia tawatar recitations. Are you ready to accept that?
Obfuscation= BS answer for contradiction in Islam🎉
Scholar Marijn van putten doesn't believe the chains of narrators of the qurans are reliable:
The chains cannot really be independently verified (nor can any chain back to the prophet for any of the canonical readers). Hythem Sidky presented a nice paper on the topic at IQSA last year, comparing what is reported for Hafs against what is reported for al-Sulami. Didn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's significantly transmitting data from al-Sulami. But Dr. Sidky hasn't published the paper yet
The fact that Muslims say their unverifiable oral chains are reliable (because so-and-so was honest), yet criticise our written transmission is absolute evidence Muslims are brainwashed
Van putten doesnt take chains of transmission of at face value because somebody could in theory be lying and scholars prefer written text
If these guys are going to use the "7 modes" or "Ahrufs" and "Qira'a" as an explanation for massive differences between Koran Arabic variants, then somebody tell them that they should logically apply the same excuse for explaining the four Injeel variants as "Ahrufs" (readings) formed for different cultural audiences; or the different Bible variants for that matter. It makes them look like idiots for making those sorts of excuses.
When talking to an abdul:
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Is hafs quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is warsh quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is doori quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Are all qurans around the world same?
A. Yes
Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants?
A. Yes
Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter?
A. Yes
Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"?
A. They are different accents
Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite?
A. 7
Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy?
A. 6
Q. How many ahrufs today?
A. 7
Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite?
A. None
Q. How many qiraats today?
A. 10, 15, 20, 50
Q. Is Bible preserved?
A. No
Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible?
A. Yes
Q. Did muhamad marry a child?
A. No
Q. How old was aisha?
A. 6
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris lol... yup.
That's a really good point.
@@chrisatspeakerscornerhi Chris, can you ask farida where are qiraats mentioned in the qurans or hadiths?
@@chrisatspeakerscornerand didn't fadal suleiman say that only one ahruf is preserved?
The quran that we have today is 38 years old!!
Lol you can’t be serious
RECITATION of hafs lol
Wut?
According to Bukhari, hafs is unreliable but his quran is accepted by modern days Islamic scholar. Please ask Farid, how can he say Hafs quran is transmitted perfectly from Muhammad? Something fishy in the chain of narration.
Nothing in the Cult is reliable.
Quran and hadith even say something like "Allah doesn't put two hearts in one man" which isn't about literal hearts but about one person not having two natures - either Hafs is reliable or he is not, but muslim scholars seemed to forget this when accepting the hafs quran
Scholar Marijn van putten doesn't believe the chains of narrators of the qurans are reliable:
The chains cannot really be independently verified (nor can any chain back to the prophet for any of the canonical readers). Hythem Sidky presented a nice paper on the topic at IQSA last year, comparing what is reported for Hafs against what is reported for al-Sulami. Didn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's significantly transmitting data from al-Sulami. But Dr. Sidky hasn't published the paper yet
Don't forget the chapter in the quran that was eaten by a Goat
Funny thing is that Tabari has never heard of Hafs 🤣
Farid just made it worse.
In 3 weeks we have gone from "There is 1 perfect quran" to 7 different reading qurans, to 10 recitation qurans, to 70 reading and recitation qurans (7x10), and now with Farid you have 7! Quran. That means 5040 different quran according to Farid, because you can have any combination of the 7.
There are now 5040 qurans.
Edit: actually, I have just realised it is worth than that. Assuming Google is correct there are 6346 verses in the quran, and being generous lets say you have to pick a reading, you can't mix and match half way through. You can switch between readings as you change verses.
So you actually get 7^6346 qurans.
To put that into perspective my phone breaks calculating that. It breaks after 7^346 at 4.13e307.
No wonder Egypt canonised a reading in 1924.
When talking to an abdul:
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Is hafs quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is warsh quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is doori quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Are all qurans around the world same?
A. Yes
Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants?
A. Yes
Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter?
A. Yes
Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"?
A. They are different accents
Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite?
A. 7
Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy?
A. 6
Q. How many ahrufs today?
A. 7
Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite?
A. None
Q. How many qiraats today?
A. 10, 15, 20, 50
Q. Is Bible preserved?
A. No
Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible?
A. Yes
Q. Did muhamad marry a child?
A. No
Q. How old was aisha?
A. 6
Yeah the Quran is one of the most unreliable book in history.
And yet, Muslims are using the Quran recited by a liar and thief, Hafs, whose teacher was a poor reciter named Aasim.
6346!
@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris great comment "Alonzo", but like like Muslim Alonzo Harris, you do appear to be spamming it rather too much
A list to sources or names would be great.
can you please provide link of van puten's blog where he showed this al jazari book.
You cannot defend the undefendable.
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
The problem is that the Koran is supposed to be the unmediated, unaltered word of the Muslim God, passed on by an angelic messenger as written in a tablet in Heaven. Different versions do not square with that.
@Chris At Speaker's Corner can you please provide link of van puten's blog where he showed this al jazari book.
phoenixblog.typepad.com/blog/2023/09/tawatur-al-qiraat.html
for those who are saying that Quran has got a lot of ways of reciting are like those learners who complain that the english language has got a lot of accents so that it means there a lot of english languages, that is absolutely insane, go look it up. Find the truth for yourself.
So the prophets companions that were about to murder each other over these differences were complete idiots, got it.
@@cainblue448 Who told you that nonsense?
@@truthseeker457“I heard Hisham ibn Hakim reciting Surat al-Furqan in a manner different from that in which I used to recite it and the way in which the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) taught me to recite it. I was about to argue with him whilst he was praying, but I waited until he finished his prayer, and then I tied his garment around his neck and seized him by it and brought him to the Messenger of Allah
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris ok if he (I don’t know if this happened) recited it in a wrong way and was brought to the prophet muhammad peace be upon him afterwards. He (peace be upon him) must’ve corrected him. So what is the problem you have with islam?
@@truthseeker457
Thank you for admitting you don't know your own books and have to be schooled by Christians
If the ahrufs are the 7 dialects attributed to the tribes at the time, am I right in thinking that Farid was saying that qirat were effectively compilations from amongst those ahrufs? Isn't that like having a book written in Geordie, then translated into a Cockney version, a Scouse version.... and then compiling a book where you take a bit from the Geordie version, another bit from the Cockney version? Have I understood this correctly?
Elsewhere, I've seen qirats refer to pronunciation, but that would surely be the ahruf, as different dialects have different pronunciations for the same word.
It would seem that's his view - tbh I don't see Farid as having a very scholarly view on the Ahruf or Qira'at.
@@chrisatspeakerscorner But that makes zero sense. Why would anyone do that? It would make your compilation less comprehensible.
From, Islamqa, 5142 The revelation of the Quran in seven styles (ahruf, sing. harf)
Secondly, what is meant by styles (ahruf, sing. harf)?
The best of the scholarly opinions concerning what is meant is that there are seven ways of reciting the Quran, where the wording may differ but the meaning is the same; if there is a different meaning then it is by way of variations on a theme, not opposing and contradiction.
Thirdly:
Some of the scholars said that what was meant by ahruf was the dialects of the Arabs, but this is far-fetched, because of the hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab who said: “I heard Hishaam ibn Hakeem reciting Soorat al-Furqaan in a manner different from that in which I used to recite it and the way in which the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) taught me to recite it. I was about to argue with him whilst he was praying, but I waited until he finished his prayer, and then I tied his garment around his neck and seized him by it and brought him to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, I heard this man reciting Soorat-al-Furqaan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.’ The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said to him, ‘Recite it,’ and he recited it as I had heard him recite it. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘It was revealed like this.’ Then he said to me, ‘Recite it,’ so I recited it and he said, ‘It was revealed like this.’ This Qur'aan has been revealed in seven different ways, so recite it in the way that is easiest for you.’”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2287; Muslim, 818)
It is known that Hishaam was Asadi Qurashi (i.e., from the clan of Bani Asad in Quraysh) and ‘Umar was ‘Adawi Qurashi (i.e., from the clan of Bani ‘Adiyy in Quraysh). Both of them were from Quraysh and Quraysh had only one dialect. If the difference in ahruf (styles) had been a difference in dialects, why would two men of Quraysh have been different?
The scholars mentioned nearly forty different opinions concerning this matter! Perhaps the most correct is that which we have mentioned above. And Allah knows best.
Muhammad forgot to Ahruf-ie (abrogate) the extras. He must have tun out of his ah-rufalin by using it on his friends little girls.
An other question who is supposed to collect all the Koran ? Is it Allah? But still not clear ?
My grandpa used to say “bull💩 baffles brains”. Peace be upon my grandpa🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
ahruf is on fire
Bring the primary source of ibn majahid’s statement
I still don't know what these words even mean.
No one is properly explaining what these terms mean.
So which qiraat is the word of Allah. Did Allah speak 7 times.
"Combination of Modes" (Qira'a)? So, each new combination is just a new man-made "Ahruf" as further pollution of the original perfect oral Arabic used by Allah (sic) through the violent (Hira Cave) Jibril (sic); LOL!!!
"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)
"We shall cast terror into the hearts of all those who disbelieve" Quran 3:151
@@jameswitt108 "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
@@jameswitt108 But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
@@jameswitt108 So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
@@jameswitt108 “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Even if what Farid said was spot on you would need Muhammad explaining detail of the seven or you would end up with a later Muslim having more ditailed knowledge of Quran then was revealed to Muhammad, making later Muslim final Prophet.
I think the lesson here is clear.
Never mess with a Sicilian when death is on the line
Walahi you are so right 😭😭😭😭😭🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Link to Bridges Translation Quran on Google Play. Get it while you can.
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.bridges_foundation.quran
Chris isn't too bright
He's built like a boiled egg
let's use Farid logic and see what happaned
let said God revealed these 8 letters (considered too be AHRUF)
1. Aa B C D E F G H
2. A Bb C D E F G H
3. A B Cc D E F G H
4. A B C Dd E F G H
5. A B C D Ee F G H
6. A B C D E Ff G H
7. A B C D E F Gg H
and then these what supposed to be qiraat, based on Farid's understanding that qiraat is the combination of ahruf
1. Aa Bb C D E F G H
2. Aa B C D E F Gg H
3. A B C D E Ff Gg H
4. Aa B Cc D Ee F G H
5. A Bb Cc D E F G H
6. A B C Dd Ee F G H
7. A Bb C D E Ff G H
8. Aa B C Dd E F Gg H
9. A Bb C DD E Ff G H
10. A B C D Ee Ff Gg H
so based on these examples, do you think the 10 is created by God or by Humans?
So which one is in heaven considering they have one there?
John 5:30 ►
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
John 5:19 & John 5:23
Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Pease explain this verse
@@amjidhuss1092 It's a standard jewish prayer. Paul, who was Saul before as a high level jewish, especifies what it means in 1 Corinthians 8:6. Conclusion, Deuteronomy favors the Trinity.
@@Andre_V_S Deuteronomy 6:4 ►
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Pease explain this verse
@@amjidhuss1092 I just did. I think a broke the bot
But which Koran is written on the tablet of Allah? Because Allah has only 1 tablet with his Koran so which one of the 7 recitation it is ?
Muslim logic: I don't feel that is wrong, so it must be right.
For Muslims, where are the stoning and adult breast feeding verses? How comes Aisha had them in her Quran but you don’t have them in your current Quran. Here’s the answer in this Hadith Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”
But in Quran chapters 6:115 and 18:27 say no one can change the words of Allah. So no man can change the words but a tame sheep can eat them, perfect preservation. lol 😂
Ali Dawah recently released a video about David Wood's worst nightmare in relation to Mohammed being found in the Bible. They put together a book about this check it out.
7 different syhadah?
You don’t seem to understand the concept that the Arabic language is a living language that has continued to evolve through history, and Allah has preserved the Quran with his wisdom.
So when did Arabic start to “evolve”?
Artificial Intelligence today (ChatGPT4) has the ability to beat the challenge of the Quran both by improving the Quran e.g. the inheritance laws and producing more eloquent verses.
What is a mode?
"Dialectic variants" but really are remanents of versions of the quran, and its the way to cover the lie that not even a dot has being changed in the quran in 1400 years
2:00
Islam has nothing to substantiate its claims ... apart from Allah's library book
When you're talking to _Paulian_ ...
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary?
A: Yes,
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary)
Q: Is Jesus a born son?
A: Yes,
Q: Who is his father?
A: God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife
Q: Is Jesus the servant of God?
A: Yes,
Q: Did Jesus die on the cross?
A: Yes,
Q: And for whom did he go up?
A: To God
*God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus
Q: Is Jesus a Messenger?
A: Yes,
Q: Who sent him?
A: God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself
Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive?
A: yes,
Q: Whom was he praying for?
A: For God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus worships God Jesus himself
Q: Does God have a beginning?
A: No
Q: So who was born on December 25th?
A: Jesus
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec
Q: Where is God?
A: In heaven
Q: How many Gods are there in heaven?
A: God is only one.
Q: Where is Jesus sitting?
A: He is sitting on the right of God.
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Yes
Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one God
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is sitting to the right of God.
Q: So how many gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one god. Still
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Yes
Q: So who many seated gods are there?
A: Only one God?
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is sitting next to the god.
Q: How many gods are in heaven?
A: Only one.
Q: Are they sitting on the same chair?
A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit.
*so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🤡
When you're talking to Paulian ...
Q: Who is God?
A: The Father, Son (The Word), & Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary?
A: Yes
Q: Who is God?
A: The Father, Son (The Word), & Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
*God the Father sent Jesus the Son who has existed eternally as The Word to Mary via immaculate conception. (John 1:1)
Q: Is Jesus a born son?
A: Yes
Q: Who is his father?
A: God the Father
Q: Who is God?
A: The Father, Son (The Word), & Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
*God the Father is the father of God the Son (The Word) and the creator of the mother He was born from, God has no wife because He doesn’t marry/have sex Jesus was born through immaculate conception. (Luke 1:28-38)
Q: Is Jesus the servant of God?
A: Yes, while in the flesh He came as a servant to be sacrificed on behalf of all mankind to defeat death and sin and satisfy the requirements for divine justice. Also because He is the Son not the Father but still God in essence because He previously existed as The Word. Status doesn’t dictate ontology.
Q: Did Jesus die on the cross?
A: Yes, but He rose again and was witnessed by a myriad of people who later died instead of recanting their testimonies.
Q: And for whom did he go up?
A: To God the Father, He went back to Heaven after completing His Earthly mission.
*God the Son (The Word) was crucified & ascended to God the Father and now sits at His Right Hand (1 Peter 3:22)
Q: Is Jesus a Messenger?
A: He delivered many messages but that was secondary to His main objective, and even without any message, He was still sent to be a savior for mankind by defeating death and sin. (1 Corinthians 15:54-57)
Q: Who sent him?
A: God the Father
Q: Who is God?
A: The Father, The Son (The Word), and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
*God the Son is the Messiah for mankind sent by God the Father. God sends Himself as a Redeemer for His Own Law.
Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive?
A: Yes, while in the flesh He experienced real human tribulations and temptations and overcame them all, He truly defeated sin but would still reach out to His Father for comfort.
Q: Whom was he praying for?
A: He was praying to His Father who was in Heaven whom He had never been separated from up until the point that He was made flesh.
Q: Who is God?
A: The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
*God the Son worships God the Father, the Holy Spirit concedes to the Father as well but The Father has bestowed all authority to The Son. (Matthew 28:18) This means God praises Himself through the different persons of His Own Trinity showcasing complete synergy and agreement with Self.
Q: Does God have a beginning?
A: No, He exists Eternally and so does His Word (The Son) and His Spirit (The Holy Spirit)
Q: So who was born on December 25th?
A: The Word was made flesh and put into the womb of a virgin woman and on December 25th it is believed that Jesus Christ the Eternal Word of God made flesh was born.
Q: Who is God?
A: The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
*God is eternal before everything but His Word was made flesh and born on December 25th
Q: Where is God?
A: In Heaven
Q: How many Gods are there in heaven?
A: One God but He is a Triune God. The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
Q: Where is Jesus sitting?
A: He is sitting on the right Hand of the Father.
*Isaiah 46:9 *Psalm 45:7 *1 Peter 3:22
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Not a god He is God-The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven?
A: One God but He is a Triune God. The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He previously existed in Heaven as The Word after being made flesh, defeating death and sin, and traveling back to Heaven He now sits at the right Hand of God as Jesus Christ.
Q: So how many gods are there in heaven?
A: One God but He is a Triune God. The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Not a god He is God-The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
Q: So who many seated gods are there?
A: The Father sits on His Throne, The Son sits on His Throne and the Holy Spirit emanates from both. Like I said before 3 Persons, 1 Essence. (John 15:26)
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is seated on His Throne at the Right Hand of the Father.
Q: How many gods are in heaven?
A: One God but He is a Triune God. The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. 3 Persons, 1 Essence.
Q: Are they sitting on the same chair?
A: No they clearly have separate Thrones. Why do you limit God to your understanding of reality when He said there is nothing like Him? There is nothing in creation that is analogous to or with Him so why do you try? Can God not be in multiple places at once? Do you believe God to not be omnipotent? Why do you limit Him?
*So.. God the Father sacrificed God the Son to satisfy Divine Justice in order for God to save His Creation without Breaking His Own Divine Laws. This is what love is. While in the flesh Christ the Son prayed to God the Father as He struggled with the human tribulations and temptations He was put through but He knew His mission and proceeded forth, and God the Father allowed the humans to crucify Jesus Christ but He died not for He rose again after defeating death and sin. God exists eternally as a Triune. There is nothing or no one else like Him. The Father, The Word (The Son) and The Spirit (The Holy Spirit) are one. The Word was made flesh and became known as Jesus Christ and now sits again at the Right Hand of the Father. 🙏🏽.
But it is still weak argument. If you would be able to find two(or ten) official government sites with qurans, where you can see difference in arabic text and reflection of that in translation(by same person, or at least same translation of same parts by different people). It would mean something.
Yet we all open that greenish quran site, and get information from same source, it would be better to concentrate efforts on contradictions inside text itself.
The differences between the Birmingham manuscript and the modern qurans listed by scholar Marijn van putten:
In the Birmingham manuscript we find the following:
* Q10:45 *naḥšuruhum* which is the reading of all readers except Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim.
* Q10:58 *taǧmaʿūna* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ruways ʿan Yaʿqūb. All others read *yaǧmaʿūna*.
* Q18:26 *tušrik* which is a reading unique to Ibn ʿĀmir. The rest has *yušrik*.
* Q20:13 *ʾaḫtartuka* which is the majority readnig. Only Ḥamzah has *ʾaḫtarnāka*.
* Q21:80 *li-tuḥsinakum* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim, as opposed to *li-nuḥṣinakum*.
* Q21:87 *naqdir* which is the reading of everyone but Yaʿqūb. Yaʿqūb has *yuqdar*.
* Q21:104 *naṭwī* which is the reading of everyone by ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar. ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar has *tuṭwā*.
* Q22:45 *ʾahlaknāhā* which is the majority reading. ʾAbū ʿAmr and yaʿqūb read *ʾahlaktunā*.
* Q22:47 *taʿuddūna* which is the majority reading. Ibn Kaṯīr, Ḥamzah. al-Kisāʾī and Ḫalaf read *yaʿuddūna.*
* Q23:21 *nusqīkum* or *nasqīkum*, which is the majority reading. Only ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar reads *tasqīkumū*.
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris why cant i say: what a miracle, so many mistakes were overcome by wisdom of god, to create one modern Cairo edition! That perfectly reflects original meaning and corrects grammatical errors in ancient manuscripts! Indeed no man would be able to create such Cairo edition quran, it is a proof it is the word of god himself!... Mr.Alonzo, 80% dont know language and have no access to any different qurans. Even if you found manuscript in some garbage pit, it doesn't disprove modern text and religion itself
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris
80% dont know language and have no access to any different qurans. Even if you found manuscript in some garbage pit, it doesn't disprove modern text and religion itself
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris 80% dont know language and have no access to any different qurans. Even if you found manuscript in some garbage pit, it doesn't disprove modern text.
@@Ex_muslim_alonzo_harris 80% dont know language and have no access to any different qurans. Even if you found manuscript in some pit, it doesn't disprove modern text.
You fight for idea "we don't have original text", but since when it was important to disprove religion?
Let me ask you a question, what about the quran in loh e mehfooz? 😭🤘
the whole thing is a joke
I am bored with the corrupted bibles. Jeremiah 8.8
Revelations 22.18
Lets contradict the quran...
Read Jeremiah in context. Jeremiah 26:4 "Say to them, ‘This is what the Lord says: If you do not listen to me and follow my law, which I have set before you," Set before you? Seems like the word of God is preserved after all. Revelation 22:18 is another example of God guarding His word thoroughly.
Your prophet himself confirmed our scriptures. Read sahih bukhari 3635 where muhammad confirmed the Torah and read Quran 3:48 - 50. You can also read mishkat al-masabih 81 where mohammed affirms that God wrote the Torah, jami` at-tirmidhi 2653 where mohammed affirms that the Christians and Jews still have the Torah and the Gospels and sahih al-bukhari 3635 where mohammed uses the Torah as authoritative.
Read sahih bukhari 3635 carefully and next go read about Jesus and the woman caught in adultery John 8:1-11. Both Jesus and mohammad were in the same situation in these cases, but they chose differently. Who is better? The one who sinned (sahih bukhari 6565) and still condemned (sahih bukhari 3635) or the one who never sinned and did not condemn?
Quran 69:44-66:47 allah promised to cut the aorta of muhammad if he lied. After that, read. Sahih al-Bukhari 4428. muhammad can't be a true prophet.
What’s hilarious is you ended the video calling people to Christianity!!! Which is the most corrupt text in the world today!!! 😂😂😂
Seems like according to the global corruption index, Islam corrupt nations, yet you defend your child marriage and slavery and rampant crime under Islam.
Seems your people desire to leave Islamic nations to come to ours, not the other way around.
You don’t see people flocking to live in Syria and Somalia.
People risk death to come to Europe and USA.
May God help your struggling people who suffer under Islam.
Ijaz Ahmed: There are mistakes in the Quran but we leave them there.
So why Allah forgot to correct his book then?
The trinity is three gods.
Alonzo Harris is daif.
When talking to an abdul:
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Is hafs quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is warsh quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is doori quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Are all qurans around the world same?
A. Yes
Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants?
A. Yes
Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter?
A. Yes
Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"?
A. They are different accents
Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite?
A. 7
Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy?
A. 6
Q. How many ahrufs today?
A. 7
Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite?
A. None
Q. How many qiraats today?
A. 10, 15, 20, 50
Q. Is Bible preserved?
A. No
Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible?
A. Yes
Q. Did muhamad marry a child?
A. No
Q. How old was aisha?
A. 6
Which one of these Quran’s is in Allah’s brothel?
Different Arabic Versions of the Qurans
1. Qaloon Arabic Version
2. Al Susi (Ibn Katheer) Arabic Version
3. Khaled Arabic Version
4. Idrees Arabic Version
5. Warsh Arabic Version
6. Hafs Ad-Dury (Abu Amro Al Basri) Arabic Version
7. Al Laith Arabic Version
8. Al Baazi Arabic Version
9. Al Azraq Arabic Version
10. Al Susi (Abu Amro Al Basri) Arabic Version
11. Ad Dury Alkisa’i Arabic Version
12. Ibn Shambood Arabic Version
13. Al Asbahaani Arabic Version
14. Hisham Arabic Version
15. Ibn Dhakwan Arabic Version
16. Isa Bin Wardan Arabic Version
17. Sulayman Arabic Version
18. Ibn Jammaz Arabic Version
19. Ahmad Bin Farah Arabic Version
20. Qunbul Arabic Version
21. Showba Arabic Version
22. Ruwais Arabic Version
23. Shujaa Bin Abi Nasr Al Balakhi Arabic Version
24. Abu Amro Al Ala Arabic Version
25. Hafs 1924 Cairo Edition Arabic Version
26. Ruh Arabic Version
27. Al Dury (Al Hasan Al Basri) Arabic Version
28. Hafs Al Dury (Ibn Kathir) Arabic Version
29. Khalf Arabic Version
30. Ishaq Arabic Version
31. Al Hasan Bin Said Al Matuu’l Arabic Version
32. Abu Farah Al Shan Budhi Arabic Version
33. Ibn Masud Arabic Version
34. Ubai Kab Arabic Version
35. Ibn Abaas Arabic Version
36. Abu Musa Arabic Version
37. Hafs 1982 Arabic Version
38. Sana Arabic Version
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What is the definition of the Quran? 🫠
Where did you get your list from?
From which ‘scholarly’ source?🫠
@@AlonzoHarris235 the definition of the Quran is………
Fan boy fiction
Ad hoc
Plagiarism
Local pagan beliefs grafted on
Blasphemy
Deception
Errant
Uninformative
Without context
Incoherent
Compiled in a crude way (shortstop to longest and not in revelation order)
How’s this for a list of definitions?
Sorry if I missed any synonyms out.
THE BIBLE: The Bible was originally written in three different languages (Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic), on three different continents (Europe, Asia, and Africa), in a time-spend of over 1500 years, by over forty different authors among whom were kings, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, poets, statesmen, scholars, a herdsman, a general, a cupbearer, a doctor, a tax collector, and a rabbi. Without contradicting one another, each author wrote on the common theme of God’s enduring love for mankind, and God’s redeeming plan of salvation through His Son - Jesus Christ.
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Unlike the Quran written in a period of about 23 years in Mohammed’s native tongue (the Quraishi tribal dialect and then translated into the Arabic language), the forty plus different authors of the Bible were moved by the Spirit of God to write down truths about God in their own ways of thinking, in their own ways of understanding, and in their own ways of reasoning in that which is truth. Each author also wrote down the truths of God in his own style of compositions - be it essay, music, or poetry.
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Critics of the Bible claimed the Bible contains contradictions. How? - Because two different authors living hundreds and hundreds of years apart on two different continents, and whose writing styles (essay, music, or poetry) in two different languages did not use the same word or phrase to describe the same event. How ridiculous the claim!
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We must also consider the Bible was not originally written on computer software (Microsoft Disk, iPad, or CD Rom), but rather the Bible was written on papyrus - a wet land plant-based substance (or materials) that would rot and decay; thus, making the transcribers (copyists, clerks) to primitively re-write the Bible by hands unto new papyrus decades, after decades, after decades for centuries, after centuries, after centuries… What monumental feet in all human existence - What an enormous human ingenuity of preservation!
Mansur is sincere and had knowledge and Arabic is his father tongue I am sure he will be able to answer all your questions 😭🤘
Expecting a muslim to prove ANYTHING is like asking a CHILD TO FIGHT AN ADULT LION: IMPOSSIBLE.
Chris you are so ignorant. You don't discuss to learn but to attack and criticize. Dr. Fadel spoke with you explain it to you but you still argumentative and talkative repeating the same silly claims for nothing. Educate yourself before you run your mouth.
When talking to an abdul:
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Is hafs quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is warsh quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is doori quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Are all qurans around the world same?
A. Yes
Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants?
A. Yes
Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter?
A. Yes
Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"?
A. They are different accents
Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite?
A. 7
Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy?
A. 6
Q. How many ahrufs today?
A. 7
Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite?
A. None
Q. How many qiraats today?
A. 10, 15, 20, 50
Q. Is Bible preserved?
A. No
Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible?
A. Yes
Q. Did muhamad marry a child?
A. No
Q. How old was aisha?
A. 6
Bow to artificial intelligence (ChatGPT4) that has the ability to not only improve the contents of your Quran but to produce more eloquent verses in Arabic.
You really think you are doing something 😂😂 🤦🏾♂️
Could you please create a 1min 30 second video debunking the myth of single quran, mentioning the main and irrefutable points? It's easier then to share on social media! thanks!
From Chris the man Worshipin Pagan 😂😂
A pagan calling a Christian pagan. That's rich. 😂
And muhammadian that follows an immoral man
Last I checked,
Chris wasn't kissing the filthy Black Stone,
like you did...
@@morghe321 Too rich for my blood too, eh...
Last I looked, it wasn't Chris kissing the black stone, pagan.