Is Christianity a White Man's Religion?
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2023
- The conversation “Is Christianity a White Man’s Religion?” from Courageous Conversations 2022.
Panelists: Lisa Fields, Bishop Kenneth Ulmer, Dr. Vince Bantu and Dr. Michael Waters
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The white man did a lot of evil so did others and the white true Christian put a end to slavery and eaven died to do that but that white Christians is never honored for it
Jewish is not in the Bible
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No Blackman Bible isrealites besides it today no haveing sex with dogs
Chris must have been there
I was a member of two predominantly white churches. I went to Bible studies, volunteered, worked, served every way I could, sharing my testimony, caring for everyone. My son and I both experienced racism. Looking back I felt so unwelcomed. It was hard because I expected them to love like Jesus. To release how I felt I wrote a paper about it in college where I shared my experience and talked about what the church should look like and what Heaven will truly look like, and I received an A from a non Christian teacher at a non Christian school. I am an Alumni of a Christian University. Apologetics was my favorite class. What I found in my attendance at a Christian school at a predominantly white university was that there was a lot of worldly views and less Biblical views. I had to speak God’s word and stand strong among those who claimed to be Christians.
@Jas58271 The biblical world view provides the idea of supremacy of one set of people over others, that they can enter other people's lands and genocide them, and steal the land, that they can take any virgin that they want, after slaughtering all that she loves family etc., and destroying her home. God's chosen also are encouraged to enslave and subjugate all of the nearby nations close to the lands that they were to occupy, if those other nations offered God's chosen terms of peace, but if they wished to keep their sovereignty, slaughter and genocide them as well. Then the Bible specifically curses a whole race of people because a son saw and ridiculed his naked drunken father, Lot. The Bible tells israel to release their male slaves only after 7 years, but enslave foreigners dwelling among them, and from neighbouring nations, and they were perpetual slaves to be passed from one generation to the next. I could go on, but I won't. Where have you come across a more accurate manifesto for the colonisers, slave making nations, and racial supremacist of the world? Hasn't the church been faithful to scripture in its role in promoting slavery, colonialism, racism, and terror in the world? So how could you miss all of that. Even the story of Joseph showed how all Egyptians had land, and by the end of Joseph's tenure as Prime Minister or Treasurer of Egypt, the Israelites owned the best lands, and the Egyptians were renting land from the King, administered by Joseph.The Bible was very comprehensive in its instruction, and those lessons were learnt and implemented throughout Christendom. Africa, the America, Australia, wherever there were people of color, the curse of Ham was used to justify genocide and land theft, with church and state working hand in hand. The doctrine of discovery also enriched the Bible's message. According to that papal bull, 1452 maybe, the whites had the right to invade the lands of non-white people and claim them as their own, killing all who got in the way of the righteous sons of Japeth. This was followed by Columbus "discovering" the new world, and the genocides that followed, which also expande to Africa and other continents.
That hypocrisy is everywhere when we see that just no they do not belong to GOD and have not been BORAGAIN OF THE WATER BAP. IN JESUS CHRIST NAME AND FILLED WITH HIS POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES!!!!!❤❤❤❤ Ye shall know them by their (FRUIT)!❤
Amen
I went to a predominately white church and was treated prly very not nice ppl who said and did not right thi gs.. I was excluded my kids treated less than I finally left and on my way out they said I would go to hell if I left... lol left anyway
I'm white
@@joanneg7646it happens to people in black church to other black people. Many people live the church not due race but because Christian are not nice people.
The truth doesn't need to be convincing. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE TRUE!!!!
Now that is the actual facts 💯! Which is the true teachings of the Anointed One! Who's real name was YESHUA! And taught the same Good News and Glad Tidings of ABRAHAM! Nothing named Christianity existed until the European CONQUERORS changed his name and his teachings from the GOSPEL OF ABRAHAM ,to the teachings of White European SUPREMACY AND Black Inferiority of the So-called Christian CONQUERORS of Europe!!!, ..with the symbol of the cross ✝️!! Which had the motto of: "WITH THIS SIGN I DO CONQUER" !! THIS JESUS HAD NO INTENTION OF SAVING ANYONE! AND ENSLAVED THE ABORIGINAL BLACK NATIONS OF THE PLANET EARTH 🌏! IN JESUS NAME!
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This is true... Because MANY lies are convincing... They're STILL lies
Period.
How can a people who have been stripped of the truth be given the truth without a teacher? And how can they have a teacher unless one is sent ???... That is why ALMIGHTY GOD has always raised one from among the people who have become blind, deaf, and dumb!.. That the truth may set them free from the darkness of ignorance and FALSEHOOD!.. In the person of "WELL MADE MEN" !... THERE ARE NO SPOOKS!... SPIRITS CAN NOT PRODUCE THEMSELVES!.. SO ALMIGHTY GOD HAS ALWAYS PRODUCED A WELL MADE MAN TO MANIFEST HIS DIVINE SPIRIT, IN THE SEEN PHYSICAL REALITY OF TRUTH OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH 🌎! THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN THE TRUE WAY OF ALMIGHTY GOD! .. BUT THERE ARE DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR OUR REJECTION OF GOD'S CHOICE!
Seek and you shall find... Thank you so much for this panel of amazing black Christian believers.
For what??? They just embraced white supremacy
The fact that Christians can have a gut feeling about something being wrong and STILL ignore it is CRAZY.
I really can't express enough how much satisfaction I get from finally seeing, peering and being in the virtual " audience," of this type of dialogue. I just love this. This should be offered as something to go on tour in different cities. I would buy a ticket..
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@@Jude3Project Thank you. Looking into it now. 🔥
YES! Christianity is a whitemans religion. Recently, since the discoveries in Egypt, they started to imply that the people of the Bible are "BLACK". Once you trace Jesus back to Serapis, it becomes clear. The Old Testament is filled with Lombard Legend that was written BEFORE the bible was printed by Paule the Deacon. Lastly, it says the Blackfolks are cursed and they still operate from that premise!
Yes
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Ride on King JESUS! No man cannot hender me.
Just stumbled on this platform and love the space for growth and healing your platform is creating to transform the African mind and advance the conversation. Keep up the phenomenal work!
She isn’t African
Very enlightening. Thanks for your research and calm to this area of justice in our world that’s so needed in the church
I truly enjoyed the comments I heard from the young lady & the young man before her.
Our souls are at stake. These battles that we are having are purely distractions. It’s not a black or white thing but a Jesus thing.
It’s about accepting Him as our Savior,& trusting God at His Word, made flesh to dwell among men, & following His way. The only Way,Truth& Life. All & any other way leads to eternal death & damnation.
So true. The Bible says all things are become new. For some is not. Christianity is for all people.
Wow !!! The awakening is here. My people will know who I am in their captivity!!! HalleluYah praise Abba Yah
It's Thank you Jesus. Put some respect on Jesus' name
Yes!!!! Christ is coming back for his people! 12 tribes worldwide!!!!!
@@Rhonda333So you think Jesus is greater than his father???
Why are violent crime rates higher for B on white than W on B?
@@derp8575 Because you and your people keep telling that damn lie.
The closing statements said it all. We are who we are only because of who Jesus Christ is and always will be. We need not ever question these things. If there is ever a doubt, seek first the Kingdom of Christ and stand firm.
Wow….. that sister in the pink…..wow
My cousins a pastor.. He loves literally everyone... I dont go to church but we talk for hours about spirituality and God. He said if Ytte folks found out legit Jesus was an African man. We'd lose 75% of the Christian population...
😂 I believe that!
Jesus was Jewish
Facts
And also 80% BW
I would not care if Jesus was purple!!! But He was born a Jew. He could have been light skinned, he could have been darker but none of this matters! His skin color is not the point of the gospel
This was an incredible conversation. I'm so glad it came across my suggested videos! Praying i can attend this yrs conference🙏🏾🙌🏾
Yes
YES THIS SHOW THE AWARENESS OF OUR YOUTH! WHO ARE GETTING A BAD WRAP!
It's really sad to hear this about how religion is used to suppress another race. God created each of us in His image. Jesus was Middle Eastern so really hate seeing and hearing Jesus was white...He wasn't. I've lived in the Middle East, i know. Islam is used as the reason its ok to still have slaves in countries like Mauritania. Look at how domestic workers are treated in the Middle East. Even in Kenya, some Kenyans treat their domestic workers atrociously. I'm so glad I was brought up believing in the Sabbath and that everyone is equal and have stayed that way into my 50s. As you say the Roman's have a lot to do with the Vanilla colored Jesus and this sadly was made more prevalent by the Catholic church in their paintings and icons
Miss Lisa you're amazing. Thx your comment using counterfeit money was brilliant.
Exactly
John 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
It’s easy to post scripture, the challenge comes when you gotta break down the context.. so what does this verse mean?
@tristankinney9077 In this verse Christ is saying that he doesn't pray for the world, as in ALL people INCLUDED....he only prays for them that the Most High gave him or sent him to. This would be Christ own people, the Israelites.
Matt. 15:24
But he answered and said, I am NOT sent BUT unto the LOST SHEEP of the HOUSE of ISRAEL.
Very well said sister in Christ. ❤️ Being freed from the sin of slavery and slavery of sin.
This was so much wisdom and a blessing to my heart and ancestry line ❤thank you all for this amazing opportunity and sharing a positive powerful testimony message to heal me and many others with questions
This is a great conversation and great points were made.
I watched the Importance of Understanding Israel and I believe it's PERFECT for connecting the dots of this conversation. I HIGHLY encourage yall to watch them
@0:57..."a faith that can't be tested, can't be trusted"--powerful!
I was a Christian for over 40 years . In my spirit, I knew many things about that belief system was just not adding up. I quit that faith / beliefs system several years ago. I've never been freer, my mind clearer, my spirit lighter and I have proven to be healthier, mentally, emotionally and psychologically. God is a concept. And there are many belief systems having their own concept of what and who God is. I don't know. and I don't believe any living person knows. What I do know is that people feed people. People shelter people, people help people heal. We are it. We are all we have in this life. I am glad black people are at least beginning to wake up and ask questions.
Christopher Hitchens you tube debates was the genesis of me breaking free.
@@carl5438 Donald Trump was extremely instrumental of me breaking free
What you are broke free from are the concepts created by white supremacy and humans. I respect your views but I am free and living in peace and harmony as a believer. I don’t let white people think for me. I believe in Jesus , The Father and the Holy Spirit, the 3 in one God. They are ancient stories that support the biblical stories. Check out history if you can find some reference books not wash washed you will see the truth. White supremacy promotes white humans as being superior to EVERYONE including all gods. Who else thinks like that if you have read a Bible???
My mother told us this. She said that book was a book to keep us in line
Yes it is bc it’s from God!!
What do you expect when they said here is an image of me (blond hair blue eyes ) and say worship him .
When discussing this topic, we must look at the origin of "Christianity " and its relationship with black people from a historical perspective. The councels of bishops, predominantly white men under "Roman" rule that decided what words would be the word of God, would give any logical thinking person a clear understanding that Christianity in its modern state of existence is the white man's religion.
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That’s false tho, Christianity and the Bible was many in parts of Africa and Asian way before the the KJV ever came to be. The Ethiopian Bible is 800 years older than the KJV.
Not only that, Christianity was spread by former Jews who radically changed and accepted what we now call Christianity after experiencing the risen Jesus. So that’s highly inaccurate to say it’s a white man religion.
thats 100% nonsne. Ancient Romans first off were a mediterranean people and genetically similar to levantine peoples. Rome also was filled with numerous types of people and all North africans who arent white were Roman and Christian. You have literally zero idea what you are talking about.
@@lionheart5078 Exactly and Galatians sums it up well, that those that accept Christ as Lord and Savior are ONE in Him! Not just white people
Galatians 3:26-28 ESV
”for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.“
@lionheart5078 with all due respect, what does your response have to do with the Roman councils of bishops being the group that manufactured the Bible. Nothing you said was in response to the point I made. Just arguing nonsense.
*"God has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us."* -Acts 17:26,27
Hallelujah
This was a GREAT discussion! Very on point and I loved the repentance moments ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
This was a great video. A lot learned.
Dr. Vince Bantu, is fire 🔥, self care as self love is primary because how can I really love my neighbor as I love myself but I’m not loving myself rightly!!
I was in my teenage years when black men use to walk around orange center neighborhood I grew up in. Use to walk around educating about a black Jesus I remember saying to them! "You saying Jesus is black"
They looked at me and said brother you are a king! I honestly cried
Just wondering why people fail to read the last testament, the Holy Quran. It has ALL the explanation they need. It is the only book that claims that it represents the direct words of the Creator himself and it has been faithfully preserved and memorized to the letter. Islam instantly cures racism, alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, fornication, adulatory, abortion, single-parent families. elderly neglect, wokism, homosexuality, gang culture and all other ills of this society.
Acts 11:26 > It was in Antioch that the disciples were for the first time called Christians.
Acts 26:28 > Agrippa said to Paul, “You almost persuade me to become a Christian."
1Peter 4:16 > Yet if any man suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Reading your comment, Im thinking about how you had the faith to step up & fwd into what requires alot of courage & strength thru Jesus Christ. Very inspiring testimony.
All of the panelist were awesome. I plan on attending next year. ❤
I think the bigger reason why people are rejecting Christianity is that they are thinking for themselves. Critically.
the wise who have an ear to hear hear and obey come out from among them religion never lead any one to the father and true deliverance and CAN NOT
The spirit of the antichrist is rampant. What they're saying has nothing to do with Yeshua. This is a diversion.
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@@davidmwilliams7052you are wrong.
@@ReactNotionHow is he wrong? Christianity isn't empowering Black people because it's not being presented in an empowering manner.
I think we are still asking the question from the wrong perspective.
Remove the oppressor from the question and ask ourselves "if Christianity is a Black Persons religion?" Is it helping our spirits. Are we learning to love ourselves through it.
I enjoyed every part of this conversation, May God bless all the speakers.
It might be a great idea to get an executive summary which highlights the key points of the various speakers.🙏
The first time in History the word “Christian” was used is found in the Book of Acts in chapter 11 verse 26 where it says, “The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.” Prior to this time in the book of Acts, there was no specific name for those who followed Jesus Christ other than believers.
True it was used , also it was derogatory in its use for the pagans
The early followers of YESHUA (the real name of the Anointed One ),who's name was translated from the Greek name IEAOUS!!.. In Antioch, a city of a province in Turkey !!... By the Greek Jewish scholarship of Hellenist. to the name Jesus.... This same scholarship translated the Greek word Kristos to Christ, which means one who is Anointed!... The actual followers of Yeshua in Antioch call themselves "The Followers of The Way"!!!... Coming from the scriptures in the Torah or Bible in the Book of Isaiah chapter 40:verse 3 which states prepare the way of the LORD!!"... Isaiah the Prophet was also Anointed in his mother's womb before birth..... Before the name changes the other Jews called them "THE NAZARENES" !!.... The first church formed by the Apostle Peter was called "THE CHURCH OF JERUSALEM" !! The name of their teachings was also changed later, 300 years after the death of YESHUA to Christianity by the Roman Caesar Constantine! Which was a Hellenist version of JUDAISM, ...now called Christianity, .....with a image of a blonde haired, and blue eyed European named Jesus! Based on European Supremacy and Conquest !
And the followers didn't refer to themselves as Christians...Paul is just pointing it out.
Believers! I love that term opposed to a specific religion. Every religion believe in different deities or things
We were called followers of the way..
I am so in awe of black people. I will list our attributes. We were not given a chance of education. We were not given a level playing field or opportunities. We have been enslaved de-humanised but we have over and over shown our strength and inguinety by our sweet nature of forgiveness our ability to excel in all that is thrown at us. We are ever proving to all that we are so damn special and no wonder we are feared. Let's say we were not so persecuted and had all the same chances. What world would this be, huh. Our strength is remarkable. I sometimes feel we are not even recognizing how great a race the black race is to the point where we had to be suppressed for others to even stand a chance. I am so proud of us. Religion is damaging and is responsible for so many atrocities.
When you
Are the original creation then you were born to create
I'm reading how great Black people are but not great enough to over come White supremacy,and what about white supremacy?The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that the Blackman traveled the earth and settled on the best part of it Africa 🌍 with all the mineral wealth,so white invasion and colonization was a matter of survival because Europe doesn't have the mineral wealth,also because Whites have a genetically recessive genes which explains their zero birth rate,so intermixed with other races was necessary but we never go there in our explanations of white supremacy,exploitation,invasion and need to rule.
Thank you for your transparency.
I say it's not just about the religion it's about the relationship between us and God.i have truly tried him for myself 😊🙏
Outstanding project 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I enjoyed what each of you have said Lisa Fields You’re so right according to Scripture! Thank all of you for enlightening us
This is very enlightening it’s causing me to revisit my walk with the Lord. Lord God, help my unbelief lead me into your truth in Jesus name. ❤🙏🏾🙌🏾
I am so thankful that I left church since 2014 and to hear this type of conversation it really makes me happy to be alive and witness this awakening happening
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@@dondracue6831 but it helps. If you are not a descendant of Hebrew Slaves then there's no salvation for you. MATTHEW 15:24 KJV Jesus can't lie
@@dondracue6831 MATTHEW 19:17 KJV) yes you have to keep the commandments. But if you are not an Israelite, sorry
@@dondracue6831 I gave my laws Statues and Commandments unto (ISRAEL) I have not dealt so with any other nations and as of my judgment they have not known them. PSALM 147:19,20 KJV
@@dondracue6831 ACTS 5:29,30,31 KJV) JESUS died to give repentance and forgiveness of sins to ISRAEL. Not the general population. Read it for yourself
@@dondracue6831 white people were never slaves in Egypt Fact. It is impossible for them to be the chosen tribes of ISRAEL
Although I knew a lot of stuff because my family upbringing. But this was refreshing. I believe this need to be taught at all black churches educational institutions classes they offer. Some leaders in the black churches do not want to acknowledge this. I will even say all churches that are truly following God's word need to share this not just black churches.🙏🤝🤲🙌
The bible said forget those things behind it does not matter now because Jesus is on his way back we way our time about the wrong thing devil like that to keep u win sold for Christ think about what we going to face Jesus here is 2023 next 2024
Now are anyone are getting SAVE so Jesus was black but we much move on now because he is a spirit on the right hand of the father in heaven what color your WORD we speak that how God is he a Word in the spirit walk in the spirit not in the fresh
It's ok to leave the church and seek new information
We need to be spiritually aware cause religion divides us but spirituality unite us
OMG. This is so enlightening. We, the original people are truly waking up. This information is powerful, and has reached a lot of people, and I pray that it will continue to reach many. This video validates what I have been telling family and friends, to wake up. I think that for starters we should call JESUS by his real name. The energy from his name is powerful. ❤💚💙💥
1:17:23 - 1:19:08 This is the KEY to the entire discussion. If you only listen to one part, make it this one. Thank you Lisa. Without being anchored in this truth, we black Christians can become bitter, hateful, and despondent. But knowing this truth that she stated will instead fill us with peace, steadfastness, and joy because we know this world is not the end! ☺
Facts!!
She tapped into that old school preaching, no joke. It really convicted me. The reality of His love and truth
This show Guest did not make me understand why Christianity is a White Man Religion. If I was a Guest I would have Responded to the Question in a different way that the Guest that I listened to!! All of the Guest did not Respond to the question, in my opinion spoke around the Question!!
But what about how we sustained ourselves millions of years before slavery? hmm
She said it
This needs to go viral
Absolutely
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Romans12:2
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Great Lady, her insights and analysis is powerful and sets the path for the way forward.
I don’t know how I found this video today but I definitely know I was supposed to watch this.
May God bless everyone who participated to make this video possible.
I pray that the knowledge in this videos reaches millions so that the true wisdom and power of the Gospel of Christ be revealed on earth. 🌍
The brother in the glasses made the most sense to me. Dude on the left, something about his statements felt lukewarm. The problem is that we’ve been taught inclusiveness without being allowed to learn more about our own culture. Nonetheless this is the conversations we need to be having. Love it
I said the same thing. The lighter dude in the blue button up under the blazer? If so he’s definitely lukewarm and is dropping in some confusion in his talking points
Right, he is all over the place and seems like he don't have a full understanding of the Bible or Christianity......
What is amazing to me is how everyone hears or sees things so differently. Why? Because some people are saying that the man on the left was not that good but, I happened to like what the man said on the left better. But really, this was a very good and needed conversation and for that reason alone, we should be careful and not see this as a competition of who said what better because overall, all of them had really great points and I enjoyed all of them tremendously!
@@vickijones5301I agree with you. He displayed a very clear understanding of Christianity as well as how some white people have distorted and perverted it to the detriment of our people and their own guilt before God, to which they will give an account before Him who shows no partiality.
I don’t agree with every thing he says but he actually understands the history for Christianity more then the rest of the panel if we are talking about the light skin guy to the far left .
Now you can see why Yashuah said He is coming to wave His hand a second time, and He is coming to return us back to His Laws, Statues, and Commandments. Yashuah Himself will set us back on the right path ELOHIM's way is right not Religion. Yah never gave us a religion, but He gave us a personal relationship with him. And as you can see when man teach you his way of thinking man will have you all confused 😕😕🤔
Best answer. Shalom Mishpacha 👑
Oh what a glorious day when I stumbled on this program. I have been pondering over this for a while, the Christianity brought to us is not the real one. Thank you all. .
For the fake "Christianity" in churches today, look no further than the fake apostle Paul...
Dr. Michael Waters mentioned a documentary called "The Sane" or "The Same" at the 11:12 mark. Does anyone know the name of the film and where I can find it on the internet? I've tried searching IMDB and various other sites, but i cannot find it.
The TRUTH ALWAYS WINS OUT.
I agree with this one brother who said Christianity is not a white man's religion. The Bible says in Matthew go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. And in Mark 16:15 the Bible says go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
AMEN
Remember the Israelites where scattered into all nations so that’s why it say teach all nation,
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. Deuteronomy 4:27 read also Deuteronomy 28:15 ,16, 32,,48,68. Christ only came for the Israelites Matthew 15:24
This was a command given to the the disciples whom would later become the Apostles to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ all over the world.
@@tellemartin7380dont come with the black isrealite thing. All creatures in mark 16:16
@@tellemartin7380 EXACTLY!!!
I’d like to see a Hebrew Israelite have this conversation with this group.
Excellent information and may God bless you great speakers❤
Wheew! Been scrolling for the past hour and a half to find something that was worth listening to on UA-cam! It's extremely hard to find people engaging in intelligent, thought provoking conversations nowadays on UA-cam and i saw the title of this post and this was a question I've had about Christianity most of my life, 8 minutes into the video and I just know I'll enjoy what I'm about to view! Thanks, New subscriber.
Vince Bantu is just on another level because he is authentic... he not trying to sound deep. He just is... he is down to earth and loves God.. it amazing 👏🏾.. also Lisa, as well!
I stumbled on this channel today. I am so glad. Thank you Jesus.
Wow. This is awesome. Such information and wisdom
Thank you for this bless you all🙏🏾❤️
The Bible and in particular King James version was written by King James of England so that he could use the scripture to soften the hearts of those England wanted to take their land and riches and make them her subjects for ever.
Thank you for sharing this was informative.❤ Blessings Love and Peace ✌️😊
Lisa's comments about counterfeits really made me hit PAUSE 🔥🔥🔥🔥 im very motivated to read my Bible cover to cover after hearing that. We must seek to learn the truth ourselves from the source and that is the Word. Thank you!
I appreciate this conversation.
This was amazing!!!
What was amazing about it? I'd like to hear. It sounded like a racist discussion toward all white Christians as if we are all part of the KKK. these leaders should be ashamed of themselves. I never once heard any of them say that not all whites are lumped into what they are talking about.
Incredible. Absolutely amazing!!! Perfect timing as I endeavor to launch Black History/Black Love
Beautiful and enlightening dialogue that is very timely 🙌🏿👏🏿🙏🏿
Fascinating discussion! I would love to see this topic expanded to include the perspective of black intellectual nonbelievers who have no invested interest in the defense of Christianity.
They would never let one of those join the panel for a discussion. It would be embarrassing for them
@@oldschool5EXTREMELY!!
@@oldschool5 , well maybe even just have a whole panel of nonbelievers so there would be less tension. But at least let the audience hear a different perspective of folks not biased by already practicing Christianity as a non white. It’s almost like the answer was already decided by everyone and now they are just telling the audience why they are right. No counter whatsoever!! Everyone has an agenda, I guess 🤷🏾
@@emusiqs5253 Yes.. thats the hard part about learning from people and especially learning from Black Christians. Dr. Bantu is already on record saying it dont matter what NEW Information he comes across, he will always push his faith. Its not about education when it comes to the Black Christian. Its about pushing their agenda. Its sad.
@@oldschool5 it’s like they want you to critically think about what they tell to, nevermind the complete other side of the coin 😂
The lady on the panel summed it up perfectly with the example of counterfeit.
Thank you for this presentation 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Amen. I love this dialogue.
Keep it up brothers and sisters. God bless you all
I enjoyed this panel. They really shed some light on things. Lisa Fields is amazing! I enjoyed all of the speakers.
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Please also listen to the ministries of Stephen Darby. He talks indepth on white supremacy; minority community blight; and the new world order.
As an African, it always makes me chuckle whenever I hear African-American brothers and sister say that Christianity is the white man's religion, and that they should be going back to their "roots". If only you all knew how badly Africans have been affected by "African spirituality", which we as Africans know to be witchcraft, you would know to run to the Lord Jesus Christ and leave all other idols behind.
I am not accepting the mainstream Roman, Constantine, Europe, Martin Luther version of Christianity.
As an African I wonder the same
Modern day Christianity IS the White Man's religion with perverted doctrines and false images of a White Jesus in churches worldwide. Wanna be Pastors/Preachers must go to the White Mans THEOLOGY School for certification. Make it make sense.
Jesus christ is a Roman invention....Roman style Christianity is the real "witchcraft" that is why Africans suffer praying to a white jesus.
Christianity was in Ethiopia before the west! It’s not a white mans religion it was African first!
Thanks to all panelists for engaging us in this conversation. My question is what happened to what our ancestors believed? My Mom was part American Indian and Black. Learning to praise Mother Earth, Water, Air and Each Other was and still is a part of me. Had the opportunity to go to private school where we had to study all religions and attend their services to formulate what appealed and what turned us off and why. Got a chance to see how White Colonialism is intertwined with the majority of religions. Why is what we believed in before Christianity not the norm?
You ancestors worshipping to creation instead of the creator. Is that what you want to go back to?
@@annaama3088 Yes
My question is simply this: what does this have to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ, and how does this subject help me to avoid eternal hellfire?
Belief in truth will help you avoid eternal hellfire. Talk to black end hospice workers and the will tell you how whites beg black them for forgiveness for a life time of believing in a false supremacy taught to them by the church. Understanding that praying to that blue eyed blond haired portrait in your church is blasphemy. Understanding that Christianity has been tainted and rewritten for the power of the white race and understanding how it was used to commit evils to people all over the world will help you avoid eternal hellfire. You couldn't have truly listen to this conversation asking such a question.
Right
Just another preacher telling his own that they are perpetual victims. Where is his concern for B on B and B on W violent crime rates? He's just weaponizing black Christians.
People who respond this way are dismissive ignorant and insensitive!!
One thing that I have come to learn is that what we have been taught in America is not aligned with human history. The fact that there are faiths older than Christianity plus the fact that our planet is boasting 8 billion people approximately (living), perspective becomes more important. I’m afraid that if you’re only source of truth is the book that your oppressors placed in your path, then their plan is continuing to be successful. I agree with Lisa in her analogy of “counterfeit”. The best tip to help all people in their sojourn is to travel back (re-connect) or to support those elders who are traveling to the mother land, researching, and living truth. The word christianity is not their claims, just as it was not a claim of Jesus.
I totally agree. No one knows what was Christianity was called before white folk named it Christianity. By that reason alone, it has to be a white mans religion.
I couldn't agree more my sister. You are spot on! 🎯
Hey sister I hope you are well. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I would like to challenge your belief that the world is 8 billion years old. There is no such evidence for this. The claim that there are religions older then Christianity is inaccurate also. Christianity is just a name for people who follow the Messiah who was prophised to come to lead people back to the worship of the one true God. Originally man worshipped one God then over time men began to worship the spirits of their dead ancestors believing they could not approach God directly. This is a direct result of the fall of man as the bible teaches. This led to all the religions that we have today and that is why in every religion you have some kind of concept of the supreme God. I am of Yoruba descent and it is there in the yoruba traditional religion. Truly white supremacy did serious damage to our ancestors. Though Yoruba I am a descendant of an African America called Churchill Vaughan who fled southern Carolina in the 1800s and first arrived in Liberia before moving to Lagos where he eventually settled. I feel the pain of many African Americans and as Black British person I can relate some what. However let us not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The problem is not the bible or Christianity. The problem is how white supremacy falsely represented Christianity. The word of God itself condemns any such belief in white supremacy or any other concept of supremacy even among Jews. In fact many heros in the bible were from Africa including Obed Melech, who saved Jeremiah's life and the Ethiopian eunuch of acts 8. There is no hope in any other way except Jesus. Our ancestors were deceived to have been worshipping idols in who there is no hope. There is only hope in the living God alone who came to earth to save humanity in His incarnation as Yeshua Hamashiach. None of our ancestors' gods did such a thing. Rather, they oppressed them and forced them to do fetish things (including the sacrificing of young virgins and killing of twins that were seen as a bad omen). By the way the guys who claim the world is billions years old do so because many of them are secular humanist who have no belief in God and claim we are just material beings and that there are no spirits or souls. They have made up these strange claims about the age of the earth to justify the lie that we evolved from animals after a big bang that happened by accident. They have a skewed world view which has led to a lot of confusion in our day with people now even questioning if there is such a thing as gender. May the Lord help us and open our eyes and I say this with all due respect.
I just want to clarify that when I talk about discovering the Jewishness of Christianity I do not mean becoming Jewish. What I mean is understanding that Christainity did not begin in Europe and therefore has nothing to do with white supremacy. The cultural context of the bible is Jewish Middle Eastern. What then happens is the message and practise needs to be contextualised to which ever culture you belong to in a way that does not alter or distort the message in any way. E.g. in Nigeria music, praying and preaching are all done in a way that is uniquely Nigerian in many instances. Often even with indigenous languages and colloquialisms.
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So are you saying Christianity is older than African Spiritual systems?
I'm white. I have read the 66 books plus all apocrypha that we have available.
Not once have I gotten from the gospel that followers of Christ should go out and conquer other people.
It's sad that love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you turned into wipe your enemies off the face of the earth and persecute everybody that doesn't look or think like you. It's completely the opposite of what a follower of Christ should be.
A true follower of Christ is extreme non violence and extreme love and care for all of humanity. His message was that not even food, water or money should come between you and love for God and love for neighbor. That each human being lays their livelihood down for the benefit of another. The greatest among you will be like one who sacrifices himself to serve. That doesn't mean slavery. It means DIVINE LOVE for fellow human beings.
It is common to take on the religion and language of the country that colonized you.
This kinda reminds me of Good Times. When JJ painted Jesus Black and their mom was against Jesus being painted as a Black man. It wasn't until Michael showed her that Jesus in the Bible is Black/a dark brown man. It's crazy how much she didn't want to accept that Jesus was Black. I just thought I would mention this.
Yeah an Israelite Jesus
Great teaching, thank you.
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Does anybody know where to find the film “The Same” the gentleman was speaking about?
The truth be told nowhere in scripture did Christ or the apostles ever teach or say that the Lords way was Christianity it's not in scripture at all. I'm not speaking about being called a Christian like they where in Antioch. Being called a Christian and calling the Lords church Christianity are two different things.. We don't like talking about the hard questions... So if it's not scripture then where did it come from..
Exactly 💯 also christ warned of a counterfeit and many christ will rise an it's clearly christianity is the dangerous counterfeit no one wants to talk about! Christianity still follows dangerous doctrine and idolatry they justify with Easter an Christmas 🎄 doesn't change God's word , christianty has made no difference between the holy and the profane
HELL YES. THEY FORCED IT ON PEOPLE WITH THE PENALTY OF DEATH
You obviously never read the Bible. Christians were killed for spreading the Gospel. Almost all of the disciples were martyred. Jesus himself was murdered. What are you even talking about?? Stop watching movies and read the Bible so you don't make a fool of yourself.
@@DonnaDiane74 I've read the Bible, Christians were not killed, Jesus followers were not Christians, The followers of Jesus were called the Way and they were all Israelites. Paul, the leader of Christianity and founder were killing followers of the WAY and claimed to have a vision, changed his teachings to Christianity, or all inclusiveness, wrote letters to all his new followers and began his new religion. This is gonna go over your head
@@a-mac6969 Paul the guy that only preached "Christ and him crucified" the one that got beheaded for proclaiming Jesus as the King started his own religion? Maybe you should read the Bible closer and not books that claim to know what it says.
@@JekDrummerTime Paul never met the Jesus, he was already dead. He claimed he seen him in a vision. Paul was working for the High Priest killing and dragging Israelites to prison, yeah that Paul.
@@DonnaDiane74 so white christians did not force religion on people with the penalty of death? sure about that?
Angle of thought, is what matters. I like the day I came to understand the difference of thought between the Hebrew and Greek .
This gave me to dig deep in my tradition and culture .
Then I am an African who now understands and knows his the place of his calling. I enjoy this angle of thought and God is more and more unfolding Himself to me.
I like and love my Savior and Lord Jesus when I Christ crucified in my African mother tongue.
The short answer is yes! It was conceptualized and validated by Constatine at the conference of Nicea in 325 AD. That conference decided what was going to be included and excluded from the Book. That conference was comprised of white men only.🤷🏼♀️
"I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land." Fredrick Douglas
Of those two, which religion does your church adhere to?
@@afterwards8233 We adhere to preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ which is not a religion but a life-changing experience. Religion says that if we obey God He will love us.
The gospel says that it is because God has loved us through Jesus that we can obey.
@afterward, religion is man made. Different banners under religion is also man made. Examples of banners; Baptist, COGIC, Pentecostal. Please read
James 1:27.
@@helenahall4893 those are not banners they are denominations. I fellowship with a COGIC church, and I've served as minister of music at a nondenominational church. I believe the actual is a spiritual organization focusing its worship on God the father and our Savior Jesus Christ.
@@KingCASONIII with all due respect, the word denomination is not found in the Bible, it is man made. COGIC was founded in 1897 by Charles Harrison Mason. What did Mr. Mason know that Jesus didn't? I call denominations banners because they are names of what a man decided a church to be. Jesus did not do that so how can a man come in and direct how God's house should be, when He told us in His word. I commend you in music ministry, I write and sing only Gospel music, also. I am not trying to argue with you in this thread. I am only pointing out Jesus said there is to be no division, yet that is what church buildings do every Sunday. Please read 1 Corinthians 1:10-17.
Powerful conversation 💭
Not about fake Jesus
Bravo🎉well articulated. Hosea 4:6
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Such discussions have the potential to provide absolute clarity for many.
It's really nice to stick within prophetic tidings,that's monotheistic of Almighty to guide us to liberation
Thank you all for these incredible truths. I sat mesmerized, listening to every uplifting voice. I am a senior with a seniors income. I can not come at the end of August, l will try to register. I don't know what the 25% off means, but l will try to get in. All the messages were powerful, l love each and every one of you. Please continue this work. You all served us breakfast, lunch, and dinner because it was food for the soul. Bless you all.
The "Black Muslim ☪️ " doctrine empowered me but ultimately critical thinking gave me the freedom I was looking for not either religion,that's why I consider myself as spiritual.This can become a "Black Religion" when it can become economically empowering.
The Muslim in slave African and Muslim ran countries to have blk slaves..So is it Islam or the people that say Slavarybis ok?
No I don't understand what you are saying?
@@rahkeemhill5901you missed what he was saying if that’s what you got out of it.
@@jeromemiltonhe is saying he was religious and then started thinking for him self and figured it out .
Islam and Christianity were forced upon our people.
Great conversation! I learned a lot!
When a distinguished panel of highly educated black people sit and defend and eloquently justify the very same Christian religion that has been and continue to be the demise of the black family, that's when you know that the mental slavery is truly deep rooted. Economic emancipation will not prevail with this level of mental slavery. Mentally we are no farther today than we were during the slave trade.
Beautiful, I was so encouraged after listening. It’s a rare occurrence to listen leaders in our community discuss these latent problems within our Churches. The well to do’ s who have the education, job & house gotten up out of the muddy waters of the underprivilege & join hands (soTHEY) think with white brethren’s….
This discussion put balance on the issue to me.
Thank you & congratulations to you all❤
Dr. BEN is the greatest teacher to •INFORM• black people about Christianity and how it relates to African history and black people.
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God made all people and years Jesus is the only good news that's absolutely true brother
I’m going to pray for you all God be with you and give you actual truth in Jesus Name Amen
this was unbelievably powerful .
Us as Africans we used to communicate with our ancestors we didn’t have Christianity bringing up so when we were bringing in from slavery, basically this was forced upon us.
Just wondering why people fail to read the last testament, the Holy Quran. It has ALL the explanation they need. It is the only book that claims that it represents the direct words of the Creator himself and it has been faithfully preserved and memorized to the letter. Islam instantly cures racism, alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, fornication, adulatory, abortion, single-parent families. elderly neglect, wokism, homosexuality, gang culture and all other ills of this society.
You do realize that Ethiopia was one of the first Christian countries
@@truthhearit1471White missionaries taught Christianity in Africa.
That’s why I don’t understand why black people ignore this. My boyfriend is first generation American. His relatives in Africa don’t practice Christianity.
@@truthhearit1471 Ethiopia is one region on the entire continent.
There are areas in Africa, especially South of the Equator where it was introduced through colonisation. If you read Southern African history, Henry Morton Stanely and David Livingstones accounts, they and many other explorers and missionaries were sent to not only explore but establish a way to break through the rainforest in order to colonise. And one of the methods was to set up set up schools, churches mainly teaching Christian education. And many conditions placed on chiefs in exchange for goods and services was to accept Christ first and have churches set up in their societies.
You can acknowledge that Christianity was in Ethiopia but that's not the same history as other African countries.
Many traditional African religions and practices were decimated and demonised and many Africans killed for not accepting Christianity.
Whats true for Ethiopia is not true for other countries.
If you can’t move on without the yt man, you can’t move on. This dependence on proximity has to stop. Until we can deal with the current reality for what it is, it will be impossible to create a new reality.
B on W violent crime rates are higher than W on B. Sadly, most B people are scared to admit the truth. Jesus will deal with liars.
I too have been in a spiritual awakening quest for "what is truth"
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