Maybe I'm imagining things... But I recall "the scene" being shown in the cooldown room. Thing is, Leclerc wasn't in yet and Sainz wasn't paing attention to the screen at that point.
46:00 When you discuss something like this, you cannot just lump F1/FOM and the FIA together. The person who cuts the highlight reel for the cooldown room is almost definitely not employed or influenced by the FIA, but by F1 itself, who would have an interest in showing Max comment on it in the cooldown room. I'm surprised as well the scene wasn't in there, but insinuating its because the FIA tried to cover a controversial stewarding decision is quite the conspiracy theory I'd say.
People have really been acting like they're one and the same lately (it was like that with coverage of the swearing controversy too). It's leading to constant accusations of hypocrisy and conspiracies just because people don't get that the FIA isn't FOM.
My understanding was that Lando overtaking off-track was a cut-and-dry 5s penalty. Max was allowed to go as wide as he liked because he was ahead at the apex, even off track, and he just gets a track limits violation. I don't think that's how the rules SHOULD be - I think allowing the driver ahead to dive-bomb the apex then push the overtaking car off track makes overtaking even more difficult than it already is
I'm a kiwi and stoked for Liam, but that isn't the same car Daniel was driving. Literally that many upgrades and changes that he got a 60 place grid penalty. Also, VCARB seem to have picked up their strategy game and stopped pitting their drivers 5 times a race. Love Liam, Yuki and Daniel, dislike VCARB (down with the 2 team ownership of RB)
Wonder what it’ll be called next year, since title sponsor Visa was DR’s sponsor and they weren’t happy with him being dropped. Shows Red Bull aren’t afraid of losing sponsorship money for the following year, so it’s curious to see what’s going on with Checo…
Honestly if Lando gives the place back I don't think he overtakes. I think he had been trying for like 8 to 10 laps? If he gave it back he would have had 4 laps, assuming he stays in DRS, which isn't a guarantee because letting another car past will give them a lot of time and cool your tyres and off balance the car for maybe a sector at which point Max is going to probably go full out and pull a second.
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There were SO MANY times people got pushed off track and nearly no one got a penalty. These rules are stupid. "You may run someone off if youre ahead at the apex" is complete bullshit and ruins racing.
So how you wanna fix that? Making passing offtrack legal? I am pretty sure Max would be delighted to hear! And you never concider in your mind that keeping the pedal to the metal while the other driver is in front in the apex will eventually lead to serious accidents? Perhaps making defending illegal as well now McKaren has the fastest car? Lando never breaked went offtrack (his 4th time should result in 5 seconds penalty and passing outside another 5) so the stewards where actually very nice to him will be laughing my socks of if in the review he get's that 5 seconds added and drop to 5th place...
I genuinely think that if lando gave the position back then max would have been given the penalty instead. They both did went past track limits but lando by not giving the place back is ultimately the one who benefited. If he had given the place back then max is the one who benefits and we all know the FIA make decisions based on result even though they say they don’t
@@planbsurviv0rwell it does kinda mean the same, he didnt brake enough to make the corner, and if he had braked enough, lando would probably have been more or completely along sinde on the apex
@@planbsurviv0ryou know what, i watched the f1 analysis with the brake telemetry and such. What should have happend is lando should have let max pass, and hope max would get a penalty, which in that scenario, i think he should have gotten
Exactly! If drivers understand this rule it makes it virtually impossible to ever pass around the outside of a turn since the defending driver can gun it into the apex and drive off track, purposely forcing the other car off track and proceed to complain that he got overtaken off track. It's such a stupid rule.
@@planbsurviv0r track limits are black and white. "barely" going off track is still going off track. Stewards don't go "oh he went off track but it was only just so we'll let him keep the lap" in qualifying
Do we know for a fact that the FIA is preparing those highlights in the cooldown room or maybe that's FOM's production team? As much as the FIA deserves a lot of criticism, they are not in charge of everything.
you are right and I realised it as I was editing. FOM handles the TV direction and probably that highlight reel as well, but I do think it strange that THE biggest moment of the race didn't make it in. Feels intentional to leave it out when any normal viewer would call that a highlight. Obviously that decision may have been FOM's but they are very good friends with the FIA so kinda interchangeable in this case
@@MrVsGarage I mean, not exactly close friends. Anyway, I think this is a bit of a stretch. The idea that in the few minutes between the end of the race and the cool down room, with all the million things going on, and how quickly those reels have to be put together anyway, that the race director would be messaging the broadcast team not to put that one clip in there... Gonna go ahead and say I'm skeptical about FIA interference here.
It seems quite weird, but If the rules say who is first at the apex has the right to the corner, then so it is. However it really seems like they gave a 5 sec penalty instead of the new standard 10 because max was also of the track. The rules need some serious rewritting though, because they can be easily abused like Max showed a couple of times.
It doesn't seem like that's why, as for some reason every penalty given this weekend was a 5 second penalty. Not that dishing out 10 second penalties instead has changed much, as the real issue is the penalties not being instant, but it's weird that they decided to deviate from the new standard this far into the season.
I think it is relevant that Lando was decently ahead befor braking, and if max had braked in such a way he would have made the corner, lando would probably be along side or slightly ahead at the apex. So id argue the only reason max got ahead at the apex is that he broke too late to make the corner.
Yup and he got a (first) warning for tracklimits because he didn’t make the corner. Still doesn’t allow lando to overtake outside the track. Also Lando got 5s penalty instead of the normal 10s. They took in account Max pushed him off. Don’t blame the smart driver using the rules as they are. If you don’t like it, make them change the rules. Now you are just fighting a lost argument just like McKaren.
@@bjrnchrstn you make fair points, allthough abusing loopholes and grey areas, that are inherently hard to control,as the breaking telemetries implies he intended doing, isn't a smart driver in my mind as it is risking the integrity of the sport for personal gain. You could say it is being smart, but in my mind you are just a bad actor. Secondly "Mckaren" as the way you say it implies that other teams, including red bull wouldn't pull every possible argument, no matter how lost, to win on their cause.
but what's relevant is the rules ? Max put his car in that position because that's the rules. if the rules stated otherwise Max would have done something else, all Lando had to do was not put his foot down and overtake off the track and he would have been fine, like Bottas and George situation. Lando is desperate and needs to calm down and get better at wheel to wheel if he wants to be WDC.
Muchos props 2 Mr. V for not putting ads in the middle of the podcast. :3 That way I didnt have to endure 2min shkits while pedaling my bike in the second half.
As a Norris fan, I can never forget how many sprints there are remaining in the season as after every session I do frantic math to try to figure out if it’s still possible for him to win.
The stewarding this weekend was so inconsistent it's crazy. Lap 1, Sainz sent it down the inside of Max same corner Norris v Max, both went off track in pretty much an identical way, Max kept P2. Is that also not gaining an advantage off the track for Max? Putting the inconsistencies aside this weekend, this whole thing that's been going on since Max did it big time in 2021 of throw it down the inside, defending or attacking, leave no room for the other car who is forced to go off track or crash, is just bad racing. It shouldn't come down to trying to define where an apex is or any silly stuff like that, if someone's front wheels are saying, halfway alongside the other car, they should be entitled to racing room, ie: an actual cars width.
Max V Norris, always a controversy but I think he pushed him out, they were both out of track limits, if Max has both wheels inside then Lando should have given it back. Since they’re both out, anything can happen without penalty.
Since Lando elected to not cede the position the stewards netted him a 5 second penalty in lieu of what Max had done, instead of a 10 seconds penalty which recommended by the guidelines. If McLaren had been smart they should have ceded the position and argued for Max to get his 5 second penalty, which I think he definitely would have gotten. McLaren dropped the ball here, not Max, everything Max did was deliberate. Just listen to his radio afterwards, you can practically hear the smile on his face.
@@SelendekiI really don't think if Lando gives the place back then Max gets a penalty. The FIA are way too scared to penalise Max in that situation. Max would get away for free and everyone would be saying Lando should have tried to pull out a 5 second gap
As a post race show analysis stated, Max going off track is counted as a separate thing where he simply violates track limits and thats added to his warnings total, then norris choosing to drive around max outside the track when he wasnt ahead of Max to begin with is what netted him the penalty.
I went to B&Q and asked for a vintage tangerine. Five minutes later they came back with an elderly American McDonalds worker and lots of photographers...
Carlos did not start catching Leclerc at the end. They ended up 8,5 seconds apart. When it looked like Carlos was catching Charles had traffic, but anyway 🤷♀️
The rules say that if you're ahead at the apex, then you don't have to leave a car's width. Personally, I think that should only apply if you stay within track limits. Easy fix.
Even Norris seemed to know how the stewards would judge the off-track overtake, he asked his team if he was ahead at the apex and they said they think he was ahead at the apex. after the race he was at least disappointed with the teams judgement.
I’m a big fan of both Norris and Verstappen. Bottom line, you cannot make a pass or complete a pass in a corner by going off the track. This is all my opinion from watching more than just F1 racing. The argument that Verstappen forced him off is a separate argument. Norris should have given the place back and if Max forced him off he would get a penalty for it and Lando would get another shot to pass him anyway, which I think he would have but we’ll never know. The other examples the overtaking car did the forcing, so it makes sense they would get a penalty for forcing off the driver being overtaken. Obviously none of those statements are black and white and just guidelines. Saw that penalty was coming for Norris🤷🏻♂️. Keep being you. Cheers.
It all hinges on if they consider Max forced Lando off the track, or if they consider he was ahead at the elusive apex and had the right to the corner and the driver trying to overtake on the outside needs to back off. Regardless of agreeing or not, I can understand why a decision could have been taken one way or the other. Them's the breaks...
I love the 2024 season. Different race winners, unpredictable team performances and controversies. And quite often we see really good fights on track. BUT the rules are not as good as they should be. In my opinion you shouldnt be allowed to push a car off the track. You have to ensure that there is enough space for another car to go through the corner. Anyway, FIA needs to come up with a better solution and a clear set of rules. I am sick of the rule discussions every race weekend, no matter which driver is affected
@@philippbiegger5658 trust me. If they change the rules, Max will find gray areas in the new rules. He has enough spare mental capacity to do such things besides driving
The call was a blatant fuck up. Everyone saying. "Oh max was ahead at the apex" irrelivent. When 2 drivers are off track. The gloves are off. Power down.
Max has just done a Button hasn’t he? Dominate the start of the season so he can fall off in the second half and still hold onto the championship. I hate it, but it’s true
If Max keeps two wheels on track then the penalty is fair. If Max also goes off track then it can't be a penalty. Lando is significantly alongside, Max runs him out of road, what's he supposed to do? Do a Silverstone Lewis and punt him off?
Lando doesn't have a winning mentality, and when McLaren take the same winning mentality of Max and RB, they're penalized. This isn't a McLaren issue or a Lando issue. This is a garbage call by the FIA and an unfair and illegal maneuver by max (no space left, which he also did to lando on sprint lap 1, so there is precedence for a decision or warning against max). They need to make decisions within 2-5 laps. if theyre nearer than 5 laps from the race end they need to inform the team immediately they are under review so they can voluntarily correct the issue, or accept the results at the end of the race. This finish and so many more are just a result of the F.Inadequacy.A
I am fully of the opinion that if Lando had come back on track behind Max then Max would have been the one who received the penalty instead. Defending on the inside and going wide, taking the other car with you, is exactly what Magnussen got penalties for in Miami, against Hamilton. That is assuming the stewards would be consistent, of course...
2 views in insane ( I know this trend is dumb but I just felt like its something awesome that I watch the video 36 seconds after posting), love the video
so much talk about RB's bib adjuster and zero mention of McLaren having to replace their rear wings after their mini DRS shenanigans Sad to see that, like much of the F1 media last weekend, Zak has bamboozled Mr V too
My take on the Max / Lando T12 overtake is that if Max got to the apex first AND would have been able to keep the car on the track, thats a penalty for Lando. since Max was not able to keep the car on the track and forced Lando of the track aswell, I would say that noone should have a penalty, both should have a penalty or Max should have a penalty. I also think that the reason Max was ahead at the apex was because he braked too late
I have to respectfully disagree on the Norris penalty. Looking at other angles, Lando is almost a full 2 car-widths wider than Max when they are off the road. Lando realizes Max is leaving little to no room and pins the throttle off the apex to get a better exit outside the track. To me, at least, that signals his intent to overtake off track all the way back at the apex. I think if he had been right beside Max when they went off track and overtaken, then it would have been just a racing incident.
I've just been looking back through it and actually Lando gets ahead under braking before turn in. I assume he thought he would be fully ahead and so takes enough speed for basically a normal racing line. However, we can see in telemetry that Max then comes off his brakes to roll into the corner with more speed and get ahead again for the apex which meant he couldn't make the exit. Norris turns out slightly to avoid and then decides to carry on with the speed he has, and I agree a penalty for pinning it off track is valid, but it looks like Max should ALSO get a +5 second penalty for forcing an overtaker off track after Norris was ahead under braking
If your car goes off track, then you have no claim to "the lead". If you force another driver off the track, that's illegal. So neither Max nor Lando would be entitled to the position because they were both off the track. If you are the inside car, and the opponent is alongside you, and you go to the outside of the track (not even off the track), then you are forcing the opponent off and the opponent will have to swerve or break or completely back off. We can debate whether that is just racing or whether that's illegal. But if you, the inside car, go off track, and the opponent is alongside you also attempting to make the corner, then you've forced them off the track no question. He has no claim to the lead, and no claim that the move was right either. Norris got a penalty because Verstappen, to put it lightly, compromised his own exit. Despite Verstappen being in the way, Norris just drove around a crashing car and took the lead. That's not a penalty for Norris, I don't think, and I'd even argue Verstappen gets a penalty for that. Should have had a penalty for doing the exact same thing on the first lap, but first lap grace I guess is a thing. Others got a penalty for doing it, why not Max. The annoying part about it is the championship battle being decided yet again in the stewards room rather than on the track, Max yet again pulling dodgy moves rather than fighting fairly (which he is absolutely capable of doing and very skilled at, if he wasn't such a cock and actually tried to race normally), and Max yet again getting FIA bubble-wrapped. Lando absolutely needs to stop being a bottle-job, McLaren could have had a better managerial strategy hat on and made the best out of the situation, but we can't honestly watch that and say Max doesn't get a penalty for it and Lando does. I dunno. What do I know, not very much. I'd been enjoying watching Max not be a shoe-in for victory all the time, cos it looked like we might actually get to see his stellar driving ability in action. Nope, all that ever seems to happen is he comes under pressure so defaults to a dirty move. Thought he was a world champion?
Overtakes outside track limits is a 10 second penalty..... forcing a driver off the track is a 5 second penalty.... 10 minus 5 is 5.... hence the 5 second penalty for lando....
@@hideouspatje You misheard me, Verstappen was also off the track. Therefore, not an overtake, just driving around someone in the process of crashing. Avoiding a collision, 0 second penalty... forcing a driver off the track 5 seconds... hence 5 second penalty for Verstappen. I think, I mean sure, but I think that's a fairer way of looking at it.
All Lando had to do was not put his foot down and overtake on the outside of the track ... its simple its his own fault he got the penalty, Max used the whole track and the rules in his favor... Lando was desperate to get ahead, as Max was just hitting the same lines each time and he had no idea how to get in front. so Max made him desperate to make a outside lunge with an overtake on the outside of the track. MAx outraced Lando once again and if lando wants to be WDC he needs to get better at wheel to wheel... Sainz was able to get past Max, why couldnt Lando ? in a better car ? its because he is cracking under pressure. Also do you not think a person using not only the full track in their disposal but the rules to the letter of the law ? Max is literally using everything possible to win this WDC, Lando has an insanely overpowered car while max has a 3rd place car and he is holding him back. Max is racing insanely well, and literally driving like a robot as he was under pressure from Lando able to hit the exact lines over and over again and held Lando back so much that Lando had to do an illegal overtake to get past. if you cannot see this then you don't know what you are looking at and don't understand racing.
@@lightningv4210 I drive up to a corner, and lose control and go off the track, then spin, come to a standstill, etc. That's a crash. If someone's on my outside all the way through that corner, they're in harms way. They have to take avoiding action, or be a part of the crash. That avoiding action takes them off the track as well, forced to go the long way round because they are travelling in a forward direction and can't teleport. Sure they can "not put their foot down", your still in motion, but lets say it's possible and was caught at an early enough stage and the driver on my outside slows down to a stop, pivots direction and drives away on the track. They shouldn't have had to. I am the hazard. I have caused a hazard. Clearly indicated by the fact that I am no longer on the track AT ALL. They have had to take avoiding action. Whichever way they do it, whether it compromises their race or not, whether it involves them going off the track, is legal. Because all they are doing is driving around a crashing car. It is not an overtake. Then you have to factor in my actions. Because it doesn't happen quite like that. I don't actually end up crashed, or stopped, or spun at all. My trajectory was into a crash, took me well off the track, but because I'm a competent driver maybe, I don't actually bin it. At most, I'm a little slow on the exit, not an optimal racing line. Doesn't change anything for the other driver. They don't know I'm not just crashing. They are fully within their rights to drive past me, I welcome it. Except... I intended for it to play out like that. So I never meant to make the corner at all, I was never going to bin the car, I was going to go deep without a care in the world about whether the car on my outside was there. I intended to force the other driver to come to a stand-still while I drive off the track and drive away. I wasn't trying to make the corner, I might as well have just crashed into my opponent because it would have worked out better for my stated goal - they'd be out, and wouldn't still be driving to drive around me - but I didn't because I still wanted to be able to drive. So does that change anything? Am I still crashing out? Why not? Just because I'm not planning to, or because I didn't in the end, or what? Maybe, because I left the track entirely and had no intention of making the corner, as soon as I go off, that's me crashing out. And that my intention was drive wide and to hell with the other racer, that's a penalty for me. And whatever avoiding action the other driver had to take, even if that took them off the track, is perfectly fine because they were avoiding a crashing car. And don't get me wrong, I'm all for if it's in the rules take advantage of it - they're quick to apply letter of the law when it benefits them, so use it for yourself - no problem with that, it's a really good quality of Max's, and yes a big weakness of Norris'. But you'll have to tell me where in the rules I just drive entirely off the track and force my opponent off the track and hope they crash out or back off to a standstill and then I get to drive away, is. That's not using the "full track at their disposal..." off the track isn't at their disposal - it's not where the racing happens, it's where you go to crash and escape obstructions on the track. "He was driving insanely well ... held Lando back so much he had to do an illegal overtake to get past." What you should be saying is, "He was driving insanely well, until the no-consequences switch flicked, and he sensed his opportunity to kamikaze his rival off the track, and went so hard into the kamikaze that he himself drove off the track, and Lando, not wanting to be the meat on a Red Bull nose-cone kebab, swerved out of the way and drove on passed the crashing car and into the lead of the race. What a blunder from Max, how can a world champion be so braindead! I hope the FIA punish him for that reckless taint on an otherwise exceptional driving standard." That's what you should be saying, if you're at all rational. Maybe you're right, maybe I just don't understand racing. I don't understand how binning your car into your opponents is racing. Maybe at the dinky dodgems, or if we were counting the drivers championship with points for most confirmed kills. What do I know?
Lol McKaren i will call that team from now on their boy can go offtrack 3 times but o dear if Max goes offtrack while under pressure in a car with older tyres.
conspiracy theory: RedBull keeps Perez so that they can win the driver's championship and be the lowest as possible in the constructors ranking to get the most CFD possible
Why can't Max get a penalty for going off track and gaining at advantage? He gained a defensive advantage by going off track just as much as Lando gained an overtaking advantage by going off track. +5 to both drivers.
I think Norris' issue is he's got too much self-doubt. he's always putting himself down when he really needs to walk into that paddock slam his cock on the table and be like "this championships mine, bitches" and walk out with it. He's an amazing driver and McLaren is my favourite team but he needs to be confident in his abilities and not keep putting himself down. I realise that's how he is and that's how i used to be when I was that age, but it doesn't help your mental health any. Just makes you doubt yourself subconsciously in big moments.
Lando was the leading car as he passed max going down the straight but it was the dive bomb that brought max back to be the "leading" car. when you look at the on boards of the cars you can see as they are coming into the breaking zone lando is not just alongside but half a car length in front and as he enters the corner and breaks max then overtakes with his signature dive bomb.
yeah I've just been watching it again and Norris is infront by over half a car at some points! Telemetry shows Max came off brake to get back ahead, make sure he wasn't passed before the corner, but also guaranteeing that he wouldn't make the corner.
@@MrVsGarage it was an interesting race none the less. and I agree with you chalk it up to a racing incident. They were both doing things that should be penalized. Have a good one, Can't wait for next f1manager season.
He did have bad form. He was on the upswing in my mind after Azerbaijan and the whole little vindication from Toto having "PRINTED OUT" the emails from Checo or whatever. But watching him in Austin, his lines were terrible and all his turning was slow like he forgot how.
I know that it is not "against the rules", but the rules are stupid. How many times are we going to watch Verstappen have no intention of making the corner, pushing off the attacking driver and calling it a legal defense. You should at least have to remain on track to consider it a legal defense. And not to sound like one of those conspiracy wackos, but every single one of these controversial penalties given out the past few years seem to only ever benefit one team in particular.
The bib lead to so many conspiracy theories in youtube commentsections. But even F1Unchained went completely tinfoil hat on it (with corresponding clickbait title), eventhough he is normally pretty unbiased with factual reporting.
@@Loudeboss I normally quite like F1Unchained. But I was so disappointed with that video (He already changed the title to a bit less rageprovoking name).
The call was total shit. Both should've gotten 5 second penalties for breaking the rules. Just call it a racing incident and let it end how it did. I'd have been on Max's side if he hadn't done the exact same move on turn 1. He intentionally drove Lando off track twice and got away with it both times. Either way Lando's Championship run is over. Good thing Maclaren doesn't have a #1 driver (idiots). Blew every opportunity they had to have a Championship driver this year. I'm hoping Ferrari comes and snakes the Constructors from them, too, for the never ending stream of bad decisions
Lando only got the penalty because he put his foot down and overtook off the track, max would have got a warning or penalty like the George/Bottas situation if Lando just wasn't so desperate, the only person at fault in this situation was Lando.
@lightningv4210 According to the rules, intentionally driving an opponent off track and leaving the track and gaining an advantage are to be penalized with either a 5 or 10 second time penalty. The only thing that was consistent about the steward's ruling was how they only applied the rules they wanted for that track. I will concede that Lando screwed over Lando (as usual), and like normal, he did that on lap 1. 🤣
I completely understand the criticism that can be attributed to what happened in the corner between Lando and Max, however I do not get at all anyone who says that Lando/McLaren should have given the place back and attempted another overtake. The chances of overtaking someone again in just 4 laps after giving them a place back are next to impossible. The amount of slowdown you need to make to let someone pass you is insane, and especially since this is Max we are talking about, he would have put in an instant 2 seconds if not more if Lando gave him the spot back. The decision the team had to make was either give the spot and finish 4th with no chance of getting to third, or continuing and hoping the stewards don't give a penalty. No sane team/driver would have given Max the place back in that situation and it is baffling that people think that would have been an understandable choice. Max's comments on the situation are also a showcase of me that Max is clearly not this quiet saint that never bullshits anyone and only focuses on driving. I'd argue the only reason Max is gonna win this year's championship is because of the frankly absurd amount of stuff he has done during races this year with the knowledge of how the FIA handles drama and events. He knows all the right ways to "cheat" while getting the best result. Some people call that "champion mentality", I call it a sad consequence of the modern FIA.
I would slightly adjust the second paragraph of your comment to: Max knows the precise rules and the boundary of the rules. He knows with references what is condoned and what is not (e.g. he knew that Norris's overtake off the track behind on the apex with both going off is 100% penalized because he also got penalized for the same offense a few years ago). And Max just maximizes results. If you don't agree with the driving/rules you can blame FIA. But with only british commentary during whatever incident he has with any british guy, it is unfortunately very easy to interpret Max as being the bad guy driving dirty.
@@SelendekiThe thing is that doesn't make any sense. Max could just let Lando through and then not receive the penalty, which puts us in the exact same situation as what happened but for some reason Lando gets a penalty
@@Mursunpoimija OMg, max fans can focus on one tiny thing only at a time, ever. Are max fans not taught context in school and that’s how they become max fans. Or are they encouraged to just ignore it at will. Context
Honestly, I think it was a pretty good decision in the end as Max was defending and therefore he would be favoured. Sure, in the end both made a wrong move because both went off track, however, the punishments for that was a warning for Max (track limits) and a penalty for Norris (overtaking outside of track). If anything they were still rather lenient because what Norris did has been penalised with a 10 second penalty multiple times this season already (Magnussen), so they probably took the fighting into account. Besides, Max made that move knowing the rules and Norris should not have accelerated after missing being ahead in the apex.
It’s a racing incident if Norris doesn’t gun it through the next corner, everyone watching knew he should give the position back right away, but Norris’ entitlement and McLaren behaving as yes men to a spoiled child are at fault.
Norris was trying to get Max a penalty by overtaking him on the outside then go off track and claim to be pushed off. A classic schwalbe, does he have German roots ?
The writing is on the wall for Checo. If Lawson continues good form in Mexico and Brazil, I see RBR announcing Checo is out for 2025 before Abu Dhabi. He's just not holding up his end of the deal. Perez apologists need to stop with the excuses. As for Lewis' spin, it wasn't his fault. George did the same exact thing on the same corner in quali. That Merc rear end is massively twitchy. Just when you think Merc finally have a grasp of these ground effects cars, they take 2 steps back. I'm sure Lewis is counting the days until he's in the bright red overalls.
If Verstappen had not gone off the track, it would be a very different story. But he dive bombed the corner so hard to have the apex that he couldn't even stay on track himself in the corner. That should invalidate any "he had the apex" discussion, because he did not have it in a controlled manner.
@@Xelopheris I read "should" in your comment as FIA making a mistake, we agree then. Slightly off topic: Lando did go more wide (to take significantly more advantage/speed through the corner) than he was forced off. So "fair rules" should also take that in consideration.
Judging by the comments the Norris overtake wasn't controversial at all so that's nice 🙃
Maybe I'm imagining things... But I recall "the scene" being shown in the cooldown room. Thing is, Leclerc wasn't in yet and Sainz wasn't paing attention to the screen at that point.
WHERES THE CAMPING CHAIR
if only you watched the first 40 seconds of the video before commenting
@@Xenuos I know I was just joking
@Xenuos I watch the first 40 seconds and still see no camping chair
Fix it in post
RIP chair
'if you want to be crowned the best driver you have to be the best at driving' what a READ
"wanna come back to my place and... Adjust my front bib?
My man is just getting laid 😂
46:00 When you discuss something like this, you cannot just lump F1/FOM and the FIA together. The person who cuts the highlight reel for the cooldown room is almost definitely not employed or influenced by the FIA, but by F1 itself, who would have an interest in showing Max comment on it in the cooldown room. I'm surprised as well the scene wasn't in there, but insinuating its because the FIA tried to cover a controversial stewarding decision is quite the conspiracy theory I'd say.
People have really been acting like they're one and the same lately (it was like that with coverage of the swearing controversy too). It's leading to constant accusations of hypocrisy and conspiracies just because people don't get that the FIA isn't FOM.
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My understanding was that Lando overtaking off-track was a cut-and-dry 5s penalty. Max was allowed to go as wide as he liked because he was ahead at the apex, even off track, and he just gets a track limits violation.
I don't think that's how the rules SHOULD be - I think allowing the driver ahead to dive-bomb the apex then push the overtaking car off track makes overtaking even more difficult than it already is
I'm a kiwi and stoked for Liam, but that isn't the same car Daniel was driving. Literally that many upgrades and changes that he got a 60 place grid penalty. Also, VCARB seem to have picked up their strategy game and stopped pitting their drivers 5 times a race.
Love Liam, Yuki and Daniel, dislike VCARB (down with the 2 team ownership of RB)
Wonder what it’ll be called next year, since title sponsor Visa was DR’s sponsor and they weren’t happy with him being dropped. Shows Red Bull aren’t afraid of losing sponsorship money for the following year, so it’s curious to see what’s going on with Checo…
I will point out that Checo did not have the new floor Max had this weekend. He sounded in interviews like he might not get it in Mexico either.
Well he shouldnt get it ever he will either break it or gain like 2 or 4 more points with it
@@flyingwhale157 In Red Bull’s current position in the constructors championship they might need that very badly
@@kabinettvno they need it to stay whole. Remember what happened last year on lap one in Mexico.
Honestly if Lando gives the place back I don't think he overtakes. I think he had been trying for like 8 to 10 laps? If he gave it back he would have had 4 laps, assuming he stays in DRS, which isn't a guarantee because letting another car past will give them a lot of time and cool your tyres and off balance the car for maybe a sector at which point Max is going to probably go full out and pull a second.
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There were SO MANY times people got pushed off track and nearly no one got a penalty. These rules are stupid. "You may run someone off if youre ahead at the apex" is complete bullshit and ruins racing.
So how you wanna fix that? Making passing offtrack legal? I am pretty sure Max would be delighted to hear! And you never concider in your mind that keeping the pedal to the metal while the other driver is in front in the apex will eventually lead to serious accidents? Perhaps making defending illegal as well now McKaren has the fastest car? Lando never breaked went offtrack (his 4th time should result in 5 seconds penalty and passing outside another 5) so the stewards where actually very nice to him will be laughing my socks of if in the review he get's that 5 seconds added and drop to 5th place...
@@randar1969 the opposite, making defending or overtaking by pushing off track illegal. All the time you have to leave the space.
I genuinely think that if lando gave the position back then max would have been given the penalty instead. They both did went past track limits but lando by not giving the place back is ultimately the one who benefited. If he had given the place back then max is the one who benefits and we all know the FIA make decisions based on result even though they say they don’t
Its easy to be ahead at the apex if you brake so late that u can't even make the corner
he didn’t brake late, he released the brakes a little too much. he barely went off
@@planbsurviv0rwell it does kinda mean the same, he didnt brake enough to make the corner, and if he had braked enough, lando would probably have been more or completely along sinde on the apex
@@planbsurviv0ryou know what, i watched the f1 analysis with the brake telemetry and such. What should have happend is lando should have let max pass, and hope max would get a penalty, which in that scenario, i think he should have gotten
Exactly! If drivers understand this rule it makes it virtually impossible to ever pass around the outside of a turn since the defending driver can gun it into the apex and drive off track, purposely forcing the other car off track and proceed to complain that he got overtaken off track. It's such a stupid rule.
@@planbsurviv0r track limits are black and white. "barely" going off track is still going off track. Stewards don't go "oh he went off track but it was only just so we'll let him keep the lap" in qualifying
Do we know for a fact that the FIA is preparing those highlights in the cooldown room or maybe that's FOM's production team? As much as the FIA deserves a lot of criticism, they are not in charge of everything.
you are right and I realised it as I was editing. FOM handles the TV direction and probably that highlight reel as well, but I do think it strange that THE biggest moment of the race didn't make it in. Feels intentional to leave it out when any normal viewer would call that a highlight. Obviously that decision may have been FOM's but they are very good friends with the FIA so kinda interchangeable in this case
@@MrVsGarage I mean, not exactly close friends. Anyway, I think this is a bit of a stretch. The idea that in the few minutes between the end of the race and the cool down room, with all the million things going on, and how quickly those reels have to be put together anyway, that the race director would be messaging the broadcast team not to put that one clip in there... Gonna go ahead and say I'm skeptical about FIA interference here.
It doesn't change that FOM doesn't want the controversy either. No way it was left out by accident. @@MrVsGarage
@@MrVsGarageI thought the same thing you did about the cooldown room footage. I was waiting for it to come up to see the others reaction but nope
It seems quite weird, but If the rules say who is first at the apex has the right to the corner, then so it is. However it really seems like they gave a 5 sec penalty instead of the new standard 10 because max was also of the track. The rules need some serious rewritting though, because they can be easily abused like Max showed a couple of times.
It doesn't seem like that's why, as for some reason every penalty given this weekend was a 5 second penalty. Not that dishing out 10 second penalties instead has changed much, as the real issue is the penalties not being instant, but it's weird that they decided to deviate from the new standard this far into the season.
I think it is relevant that Lando was decently ahead befor braking, and if max had braked in such a way he would have made the corner, lando would probably be along side or slightly ahead at the apex. So id argue the only reason max got ahead at the apex is that he broke too late to make the corner.
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Yup and he got a (first) warning for tracklimits because he didn’t make the corner.
Still doesn’t allow lando to overtake outside the track. Also Lando got 5s penalty instead of the normal 10s. They took in account Max pushed him off.
Don’t blame the smart driver using the rules as they are. If you don’t like it, make them change the rules. Now you are just fighting a lost argument just like McKaren.
@@bjrnchrstn you make fair points, allthough abusing loopholes and grey areas, that are inherently hard to control,as the breaking telemetries implies he intended doing, isn't a smart driver in my mind as it is risking the integrity of the sport for personal gain. You could say it is being smart, but in my mind you are just a bad actor. Secondly "Mckaren" as the way you say it implies that other teams, including red bull wouldn't pull every possible argument, no matter how lost, to win on their cause.
but what's relevant is the rules ? Max put his car in that position because that's the rules. if the rules stated otherwise Max would have done something else, all Lando had to do was not put his foot down and overtake off the track and he would have been fine, like Bottas and George situation. Lando is desperate and needs to calm down and get better at wheel to wheel if he wants to be WDC.
Muchos props 2 Mr. V for not putting ads in the middle of the podcast. :3
That way I didnt have to endure 2min shkits while pedaling my bike in the second half.
love how every episode is in a different location :)
As a Norris fan, I can never forget how many sprints there are remaining in the season as after every session I do frantic math to try to figure out if it’s still possible for him to win.
At the end of the season you should rank al of the special liveries :D
The stewarding this weekend was so inconsistent it's crazy. Lap 1, Sainz sent it down the inside of Max same corner Norris v Max, both went off track in pretty much an identical way, Max kept P2. Is that also not gaining an advantage off the track for Max?
Putting the inconsistencies aside this weekend, this whole thing that's been going on since Max did it big time in 2021 of throw it down the inside, defending or attacking, leave no room for the other car who is forced to go off track or crash, is just bad racing.
It shouldn't come down to trying to define where an apex is or any silly stuff like that, if someone's front wheels are saying, halfway alongside the other car, they should be entitled to racing room, ie: an actual cars width.
Max V Norris, always a controversy but I think he pushed him out, they were both out of track limits, if Max has both wheels inside then Lando should have given it back. Since they’re both out, anything can happen without penalty.
Since Lando elected to not cede the position the stewards netted him a 5 second penalty in lieu of what Max had done, instead of a 10 seconds penalty which recommended by the guidelines. If McLaren had been smart they should have ceded the position and argued for Max to get his 5 second penalty, which I think he definitely would have gotten. McLaren dropped the ball here, not Max, everything Max did was deliberate. Just listen to his radio afterwards, you can practically hear the smile on his face.
Max played by the rules, he did the smart play. Norris still has much to learn. But it was a fun fight to watch.
@@SelendekiI really don't think if Lando gives the place back then Max gets a penalty. The FIA are way too scared to penalise Max in that situation. Max would get away for free and everyone would be saying Lando should have tried to pull out a 5 second gap
As a post race show analysis stated, Max going off track is counted as a separate thing where he simply violates track limits and thats added to his warnings total, then norris choosing to drive around max outside the track when he wasnt ahead of Max to begin with is what netted him the penalty.
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I went to B&Q and asked for a vintage tangerine. Five minutes later they came back with an elderly American McDonalds worker and lots of photographers...
Carlos did not start catching Leclerc at the end. They ended up 8,5 seconds apart. When it looked like Carlos was catching Charles had traffic, but anyway 🤷♀️
30:38 well, that's what upgrades do, as for the delta in perf between ocon and gasly, only one of the cars was running the new package.
The rules say that if you're ahead at the apex, then you don't have to leave a car's width.
Personally, I think that should only apply if you stay within track limits.
Easy fix.
"Helmut Marko came out..." good for him
Camping chair: I’ll never recover from this.
Even Norris seemed to know how the stewards would judge the off-track overtake, he asked his team if he was ahead at the apex and they said they think he was ahead at the apex. after the race he was at least disappointed with the teams judgement.
I saw someone comment that Lawson is like a puppy the owners bought Home to give enrichment to the old family dog that is Fernando
I’m a big fan of both Norris and Verstappen. Bottom line, you cannot make a pass or complete a pass in a corner by going off the track. This is all my opinion from watching more than just F1 racing. The argument that Verstappen forced him off is a separate argument. Norris should have given the place back and if Max forced him off he would get a penalty for it and Lando would get another shot to pass him anyway, which I think he would have but we’ll never know. The other examples the overtaking car did the forcing, so it makes sense they would get a penalty for forcing off the driver being overtaken. Obviously none of those statements are black and white and just guidelines. Saw that penalty was coming for Norris🤷🏻♂️. Keep being you. Cheers.
The chrome Chrome McLaren should be thir main livery
It all hinges on if they consider Max forced Lando off the track, or if they consider he was ahead at the elusive apex and had the right to the corner and the driver trying to overtake on the outside needs to back off.
Regardless of agreeing or not, I can understand why a decision could have been taken one way or the other. Them's the breaks...
The apex rule is so stupid because it allows the driver to go off track after hitting the apex yet still be entitled to the position.
First f1 race I’ve ever been to
I love the 2024 season. Different race winners, unpredictable team performances and controversies.
And quite often we see really good fights on track. BUT the rules are not as good as they should be. In my opinion you shouldnt be allowed to push a car off the track. You have to ensure that there is enough space for another car to go through the corner. Anyway, FIA needs to come up with a better solution and a clear set of rules. I am sick of the rule discussions every race weekend, no matter which driver is affected
@@philippbiegger5658 trust me. If they change the rules, Max will find gray areas in the new rules. He has enough spare mental capacity to do such things besides driving
The call was a blatant fuck up. Everyone saying. "Oh max was ahead at the apex" irrelivent. When 2 drivers are off track. The gloves are off. Power down.
sitting this one out, no camping chair
Dude that little dot on the wall in the bottom left keeps faking me out, I keep thinking I have water or something on my screen
Max has just done a Button hasn’t he? Dominate the start of the season so he can fall off in the second half and still hold onto the championship. I hate it, but it’s true
If Max keeps two wheels on track then the penalty is fair. If Max also goes off track then it can't be a penalty. Lando is significantly alongside, Max runs him out of road, what's he supposed to do? Do a Silverstone Lewis and punt him off?
If you’re talking purely from Lando’s perspective, maybe don’t drive off while you’re off the track?
Lando doesn't have a winning mentality, and when McLaren take the same winning mentality of Max and RB, they're penalized. This isn't a McLaren issue or a Lando issue. This is a garbage call by the FIA and an unfair and illegal maneuver by max (no space left, which he also did to lando on sprint lap 1, so there is precedence for a decision or warning against max). They need to make decisions within 2-5 laps. if theyre nearer than 5 laps from the race end they need to inform the team immediately they are under review so they can voluntarily correct the issue, or accept the results at the end of the race. This finish and so many more are just a result of the F.Inadequacy.A
I clicked on this video thinking it was a live...😑
Well at least i have something to watch
I am fully of the opinion that if Lando had come back on track behind Max then Max would have been the one who received the penalty instead.
Defending on the inside and going wide, taking the other car with you, is exactly what Magnussen got penalties for in Miami, against Hamilton.
That is assuming the stewards would be consistent, of course...
We need that lando nat 20
4:24 it was last year at silverstone no?
2 views in insane ( I know this trend is dumb but I just felt like its something awesome that I watch the video 36 seconds after posting), love the video
RIP camping chair :(
No excuse, where's the chair
so much talk about RB's bib adjuster and zero mention of McLaren having to replace their rear wings after their mini DRS shenanigans
Sad to see that, like much of the F1 media last weekend, Zak has bamboozled Mr V too
Im not sure, but aren’t the judges in the F1 changing every race? Shouldn’t they have highly trained and the SAME set of 3-5 judges every race?
Nothing just an inchident!
My take on the Max / Lando T12 overtake is that if Max got to the apex first AND would have been able to keep the car on the track, thats a penalty for Lando. since Max was not able to keep the car on the track and forced Lando of the track aswell, I would say that noone should have a penalty, both should have a penalty or Max should have a penalty. I also think that the reason Max was ahead at the apex was because he braked too late
It is a 10 second penalty for overtakes outside track limits.... forcing a driver of the track is 5 second penalty... you do the math....
@@hideouspatje cool, so no penalties for any of them then
@@HanMedSkjegget ah yes, 10 - 5 =0
@@hbrown689 try reading my comment again, either they should both have no penalties, 5 second for both of them or 5 seconds for max.
@@HanMedSkjeggetthey both got a penalty but landos was higher.... 10 and 5 ..remember?
If theres gonna be any race that Hamilton does well at, I hope it’s Abu Dhabi. He deserves the redemption.
I have to respectfully disagree on the Norris penalty. Looking at other angles, Lando is almost a full 2 car-widths wider than Max when they are off the road. Lando realizes Max is leaving little to no room and pins the throttle off the apex to get a better exit outside the track. To me, at least, that signals his intent to overtake off track all the way back at the apex. I think if he had been right beside Max when they went off track and overtaken, then it would have been just a racing incident.
I've just been looking back through it and actually Lando gets ahead under braking before turn in. I assume he thought he would be fully ahead and so takes enough speed for basically a normal racing line. However, we can see in telemetry that Max then comes off his brakes to roll into the corner with more speed and get ahead again for the apex which meant he couldn't make the exit.
Norris turns out slightly to avoid and then decides to carry on with the speed he has, and I agree a penalty for pinning it off track is valid, but it looks like Max should ALSO get a +5 second penalty for forcing an overtaker off track after Norris was ahead under braking
Next episode better have you in your camping chair in the middle of a main straight
Haas only needs to outscore Aston by 9.6 per weekend to grab 5th. What is that, 7th and 8th every race? Unlikely but it would be funny.
If your car goes off track, then you have no claim to "the lead". If you force another driver off the track, that's illegal.
So neither Max nor Lando would be entitled to the position because they were both off the track. If you are the inside car, and the opponent is alongside you, and you go to the outside of the track (not even off the track), then you are forcing the opponent off and the opponent will have to swerve or break or completely back off. We can debate whether that is just racing or whether that's illegal. But if you, the inside car, go off track, and the opponent is alongside you also attempting to make the corner, then you've forced them off the track no question.
He has no claim to the lead, and no claim that the move was right either. Norris got a penalty because Verstappen, to put it lightly, compromised his own exit. Despite Verstappen being in the way, Norris just drove around a crashing car and took the lead. That's not a penalty for Norris, I don't think, and I'd even argue Verstappen gets a penalty for that. Should have had a penalty for doing the exact same thing on the first lap, but first lap grace I guess is a thing. Others got a penalty for doing it, why not Max.
The annoying part about it is the championship battle being decided yet again in the stewards room rather than on the track, Max yet again pulling dodgy moves rather than fighting fairly (which he is absolutely capable of doing and very skilled at, if he wasn't such a cock and actually tried to race normally), and Max yet again getting FIA bubble-wrapped. Lando absolutely needs to stop being a bottle-job, McLaren could have had a better managerial strategy hat on and made the best out of the situation, but we can't honestly watch that and say Max doesn't get a penalty for it and Lando does.
I dunno. What do I know, not very much. I'd been enjoying watching Max not be a shoe-in for victory all the time, cos it looked like we might actually get to see his stellar driving ability in action. Nope, all that ever seems to happen is he comes under pressure so defaults to a dirty move. Thought he was a world champion?
Overtakes outside track limits is a 10 second penalty..... forcing a driver off the track is a 5 second penalty.... 10 minus 5 is 5.... hence the 5 second penalty for lando....
The rules are clear. Verstappen was smart. Norris stil much to learn
@@hideouspatje You misheard me, Verstappen was also off the track. Therefore, not an overtake, just driving around someone in the process of crashing.
Avoiding a collision, 0 second penalty... forcing a driver off the track 5 seconds... hence 5 second penalty for Verstappen.
I think, I mean sure, but I think that's a fairer way of looking at it.
All Lando had to do was not put his foot down and overtake on the outside of the track ... its simple its his own fault he got the penalty, Max used the whole track and the rules in his favor... Lando was desperate to get ahead, as Max was just hitting the same lines each time and he had no idea how to get in front. so Max made him desperate to make a outside lunge with an overtake on the outside of the track. MAx outraced Lando once again and if lando wants to be WDC he needs to get better at wheel to wheel... Sainz was able to get past Max, why couldnt Lando ? in a better car ? its because he is cracking under pressure.
Also do you not think a person using not only the full track in their disposal but the rules to the letter of the law ? Max is literally using everything possible to win this WDC, Lando has an insanely overpowered car while max has a 3rd place car and he is holding him back. Max is racing insanely well, and literally driving like a robot as he was under pressure from Lando able to hit the exact lines over and over again and held Lando back so much that Lando had to do an illegal overtake to get past. if you cannot see this then you don't know what you are looking at and don't understand racing.
@@lightningv4210 I drive up to a corner, and lose control and go off the track, then spin, come to a standstill, etc. That's a crash. If someone's on my outside all the way through that corner, they're in harms way. They have to take avoiding action, or be a part of the crash. That avoiding action takes them off the track as well, forced to go the long way round because they are travelling in a forward direction and can't teleport. Sure they can "not put their foot down", your still in motion, but lets say it's possible and was caught at an early enough stage and the driver on my outside slows down to a stop, pivots direction and drives away on the track.
They shouldn't have had to. I am the hazard. I have caused a hazard. Clearly indicated by the fact that I am no longer on the track AT ALL. They have had to take avoiding action. Whichever way they do it, whether it compromises their race or not, whether it involves them going off the track, is legal. Because all they are doing is driving around a crashing car. It is not an overtake.
Then you have to factor in my actions. Because it doesn't happen quite like that. I don't actually end up crashed, or stopped, or spun at all. My trajectory was into a crash, took me well off the track, but because I'm a competent driver maybe, I don't actually bin it. At most, I'm a little slow on the exit, not an optimal racing line.
Doesn't change anything for the other driver. They don't know I'm not just crashing. They are fully within their rights to drive past me, I welcome it.
Except... I intended for it to play out like that. So I never meant to make the corner at all, I was never going to bin the car, I was going to go deep without a care in the world about whether the car on my outside was there. I intended to force the other driver to come to a stand-still while I drive off the track and drive away. I wasn't trying to make the corner, I might as well have just crashed into my opponent because it would have worked out better for my stated goal - they'd be out, and wouldn't still be driving to drive around me - but I didn't because I still wanted to be able to drive.
So does that change anything? Am I still crashing out? Why not? Just because I'm not planning to, or because I didn't in the end, or what?
Maybe, because I left the track entirely and had no intention of making the corner, as soon as I go off, that's me crashing out. And that my intention was drive wide and to hell with the other racer, that's a penalty for me. And whatever avoiding action the other driver had to take, even if that took them off the track, is perfectly fine because they were avoiding a crashing car.
And don't get me wrong, I'm all for if it's in the rules take advantage of it - they're quick to apply letter of the law when it benefits them, so use it for yourself - no problem with that, it's a really good quality of Max's, and yes a big weakness of Norris'. But you'll have to tell me where in the rules I just drive entirely off the track and force my opponent off the track and hope they crash out or back off to a standstill and then I get to drive away, is. That's not using the "full track at their disposal..." off the track isn't at their disposal - it's not where the racing happens, it's where you go to crash and escape obstructions on the track.
"He was driving insanely well ... held Lando back so much he had to do an illegal overtake to get past."
What you should be saying is, "He was driving insanely well, until the no-consequences switch flicked, and he sensed his opportunity to kamikaze his rival off the track, and went so hard into the kamikaze that he himself drove off the track, and Lando, not wanting to be the meat on a Red Bull nose-cone kebab, swerved out of the way and drove on passed the crashing car and into the lead of the race. What a blunder from Max, how can a world champion be so braindead! I hope the FIA punish him for that reckless taint on an otherwise exceptional driving standard." That's what you should be saying, if you're at all rational.
Maybe you're right, maybe I just don't understand racing. I don't understand how binning your car into your opponents is racing. Maybe at the dinky dodgems, or if we were counting the drivers championship with points for most confirmed kills. What do I know?
Gasly was still in 6th for the first like 2/5ths of the race too.
they didn't only dress up as shitty McLaren, they also became shitty McLaren.
Lol McKaren i will call that team from now on their boy can go offtrack 3 times but o dear if Max goes offtrack while under pressure in a car with older tyres.
conspiracy theory: RedBull keeps Perez so that they can win the driver's championship and be the lowest as possible in the constructors ranking to get the most CFD possible
Why can't Max get a penalty for going off track and gaining at advantage? He gained a defensive advantage by going off track just as much as Lando gained an overtaking advantage by going off track. +5 to both drivers.
Mr V's Camping Neck Pillow Chat Rebrand? RIP camping chair :'(
I think Norris' issue is he's got too much self-doubt. he's always putting himself down when he really needs to walk into that paddock slam his cock on the table and be like "this championships mine, bitches" and walk out with it. He's an amazing driver and McLaren is my favourite team but he needs to be confident in his abilities and not keep putting himself down. I realise that's how he is and that's how i used to be when I was that age, but it doesn't help your mental health any. Just makes you doubt yourself subconsciously in big moments.
Short answer yes........long answer not if you drive a red bull 😂
Where chair?
Lando was the leading car as he passed max going down the straight but it was the dive bomb that brought max back to be the "leading" car. when you look at the on boards of the cars you can see as they are coming into the breaking zone lando is not just alongside but half a car length in front and as he enters the corner and breaks max then overtakes with his signature dive bomb.
yeah I've just been watching it again and Norris is infront by over half a car at some points! Telemetry shows Max came off brake to get back ahead, make sure he wasn't passed before the corner, but also guaranteeing that he wouldn't make the corner.
@@MrVsGarage it was an interesting race none the less. and I agree with you chalk it up to a racing incident. They were both doing things that should be penalized. Have a good one, Can't wait for next f1manager season.
He did have bad form. He was on the upswing in my mind after Azerbaijan and the whole little vindication from Toto having "PRINTED OUT" the emails from Checo or whatever. But watching him in Austin, his lines were terrible and all his turning was slow like he forgot how.
your friend doesn’t own a camping chair?
Get Perez out of here and put Yuki in that seat
Video idea : who’s driver number makes the best track
WE NEEEEEEEED THE CHAIR
You are absolutely delusional if you think Norris ever had a chance of getting a win, the McLaren was the third fastest car for most of the weekend.
Its the same as abu dhabi 21...they acted under pressure, nothing has changed
I know that it is not "against the rules", but the rules are stupid. How many times are we going to watch Verstappen have no intention of making the corner, pushing off the attacking driver and calling it a legal defense. You should at least have to remain on track to consider it a legal defense. And not to sound like one of those conspiracy wackos, but every single one of these controversial penalties given out the past few years seem to only ever benefit one team in particular.
The bib lead to so many conspiracy theories in youtube commentsections. But even F1Unchained went completely tinfoil hat on it (with corresponding clickbait title), eventhough he is normally pretty unbiased with factual reporting.
He's just a kid
@@Loudeboss I normally quite like F1Unchained. But I was so disappointed with that video (He already changed the title to a bit less rageprovoking name).
The call was total shit. Both should've gotten 5 second penalties for breaking the rules. Just call it a racing incident and let it end how it did. I'd have been on Max's side if he hadn't done the exact same move on turn 1. He intentionally drove Lando off track twice and got away with it both times.
Either way Lando's Championship run is over. Good thing Maclaren doesn't have a #1 driver (idiots). Blew every opportunity they had to have a Championship driver this year. I'm hoping Ferrari comes and snakes the Constructors from them, too, for the never ending stream of bad decisions
Lando only got the penalty because he put his foot down and overtook off the track, max would have got a warning or penalty like the George/Bottas situation if Lando just wasn't so desperate, the only person at fault in this situation was Lando.
@lightningv4210 According to the rules, intentionally driving an opponent off track and leaving the track and gaining an advantage are to be penalized with either a 5 or 10 second time penalty. The only thing that was consistent about the steward's ruling was how they only applied the rules they wanted for that track.
I will concede that Lando screwed over Lando (as usual), and like normal, he did that on lap 1. 🤣
dw chat, unlike Mr. V's hairline, the camping chair will come back.
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@@MrVsGarage i got the same fate, can I cry with you?
no hat?
I completely understand the criticism that can be attributed to what happened in the corner between Lando and Max, however I do not get at all anyone who says that Lando/McLaren should have given the place back and attempted another overtake. The chances of overtaking someone again in just 4 laps after giving them a place back are next to impossible. The amount of slowdown you need to make to let someone pass you is insane, and especially since this is Max we are talking about, he would have put in an instant 2 seconds if not more if Lando gave him the spot back. The decision the team had to make was either give the spot and finish 4th with no chance of getting to third, or continuing and hoping the stewards don't give a penalty. No sane team/driver would have given Max the place back in that situation and it is baffling that people think that would have been an understandable choice.
Max's comments on the situation are also a showcase of me that Max is clearly not this quiet saint that never bullshits anyone and only focuses on driving. I'd argue the only reason Max is gonna win this year's championship is because of the frankly absurd amount of stuff he has done during races this year with the knowledge of how the FIA handles drama and events. He knows all the right ways to "cheat" while getting the best result. Some people call that "champion mentality", I call it a sad consequence of the modern FIA.
If Lando cedes the position Max is penalized for pushing him off-track, instead we got the net +5 sec penalty to Norris
If you don’t like mental games, maybe don’t watch racing? Psychological battles are crucial parts of racing
I would slightly adjust the second paragraph of your comment to:
Max knows the precise rules and the boundary of the rules. He knows with references what is condoned and what is not (e.g. he knew that Norris's overtake off the track behind on the apex with both going off is 100% penalized because he also got penalized for the same offense a few years ago). And Max just maximizes results.
If you don't agree with the driving/rules you can blame FIA.
But with only british commentary during whatever incident he has with any british guy, it is unfortunately very easy to interpret Max as being the bad guy driving dirty.
@@SelendekiThe thing is that doesn't make any sense. Max could just let Lando through and then not receive the penalty, which puts us in the exact same situation as what happened but for some reason Lando gets a penalty
@@Selendeki there is nothing that would have made the FIA give max a penalty if Lando gave him the position.
Lando didn’t overtake off the track because he correctly knew he was in front at that corner, so he was entitled to that place back
He wasn't though. Clear to see on tv that max is ahead at apex and it really isn't close
@@Mursunpoimija OMg, max fans can focus on one tiny thing only at a time, ever.
Are max fans not taught context in school and that’s how they become max fans.
Or are they encouraged to just ignore it at will.
Context
Don’t this guy’s hands ever get tired from constantly holding that mic for so long?
Honestly, I think it was a pretty good decision in the end as Max was defending and therefore he would be favoured. Sure, in the end both made a wrong move because both went off track, however, the punishments for that was a warning for Max (track limits) and a penalty for Norris (overtaking outside of track). If anything they were still rather lenient because what Norris did has been penalised with a 10 second penalty multiple times this season already (Magnussen), so they probably took the fighting into account. Besides, Max made that move knowing the rules and Norris should not have accelerated after missing being ahead in the apex.
It’s a racing incident if Norris doesn’t gun it through the next corner, everyone watching knew he should give the position back right away, but Norris’ entitlement and McLaren behaving as yes men to a spoiled child are at fault.
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BOOO NO CAMPING CHAIR THAT'S NO EXCUSE
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Norris was trying to get Max a penalty by overtaking him on the outside then go off track and claim to be pushed off. A classic schwalbe, does he have German roots ?
bed chair chat?
I was promesed a camping chair. I am reporting this video to UA-cam. You should expect to hear from Susan shortly.
Checo after the Mexican Grandprix he will be dropped off from RB.
The writing is on the wall for Checo. If Lawson continues good form in Mexico and Brazil, I see RBR announcing Checo is out for 2025 before Abu Dhabi. He's just not holding up his end of the deal. Perez apologists need to stop with the excuses.
As for Lewis' spin, it wasn't his fault. George did the same exact thing on the same corner in quali. That Merc rear end is massively twitchy. Just when you think Merc finally have a grasp of these ground effects cars, they take 2 steps back. I'm sure Lewis is counting the days until he's in the bright red overalls.
0/10 no camping chair :P
If Verstappen had not gone off the track, it would be a very different story. But he dive bombed the corner so hard to have the apex that he couldn't even stay on track himself in the corner. That should invalidate any "he had the apex" discussion, because he did not have it in a controlled manner.
Very nice argument for fairness. But unfortunately your point has no application to the rules.
@@lmr4403 Hence "should". The rules are lacking here.
@@Xelopheris I read "should" in your comment as FIA making a mistake, we agree then.
Slightly off topic: Lando did go more wide (to take significantly more advantage/speed through the corner) than he was forced off. So "fair rules" should also take that in consideration.
CAMPING CAP CHAT, alternate to thr chair could be a CCC dedicated hat.
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Should've been two penalties. That was 1) leaving the track and gaining an advantage and 2) Lando's 4th offtrack.
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Bro fell off :)
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