Ken Clarke: The ERG is 'incompetent'
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- The father of the house labels the coup called by Jacob Rees-Mogg "incompetent" and says the ERG is putting pressure on the PM.
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all i can see the man has more sense than corbyn, mogg, farage, johnson and may togther!
The erg is the problem with everything since 2016.
Good old Ken, how I miss him. Seven years after the referendum, the "Brexit Crisis" still rolls on, deepening every day to new lows. As Ken predicted, the ERG is utterly incapable of stabilising matters and it looks to get considerably worse before any improvement.
the conservative party is not conservative
Kenneth Clarke - "Not joining the Euro would be disastrous for Britain" - 7th July 2000
Jeez, outlining what's wrong with Brexit to a Brexiter is like, err...
It's like explaining the remote control to a cat...
“We could have two referendums. As it happens it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed” - Jacob Rees-Mogg 2015
Clarke is about to be proven right.
@@owen5908 Also he said a two thirds majority was not sufficient for a vote of confidence in the Prime Minister.
@@Mci_kdb6 This is the plank that called the 2016 referendum a "straw poll".
I don't like Tories but I do like Ken Clarke, and am delighted to see he has some good books on his shelf, like Thomas Mann's The Magic Mountain.
One of the very few people in Politics who speaks with some kind of analytical wisdom....I always listen to Ken...even though I'm a Democratic Socialist....we need people like him to act as some kind of calming waters in Mays chaotic shambles of a policy/concept.....plus not adverse to Hush Puppies, Beer and Jazz...ha ha
I hate hearing him snip snip snip at the heals of the ERG.
He is a smart man who voted against the referendum bill. Cameron called the referendum because he used his referendum promise to shut up the sceptics in his party and avoid defections to UKIP. He fully expected to lose the 2015 election and not have to keep that promise. The referendum has divided families and the younger and older generations.
Clarke is a hideous man, arrogant, scruffy fool.
Apparently Cameron knew that if he was to be PM, even in a coalition, then he would have to hold the ref.
Cameron called it to answer a question Labour sidestepped. They promised one on Nice Treaty and reneged. Brown didn't want to hold one on Lisbon either. The issue was he left Leave open and walked off when he should've on the Monday returned to Parliament to ratify the result into law to be able to begin proceedings to get a agreed position to trigger A50 and the 1972 EC Act. The Project Fear by Osborne and the Bus by Vote Leave were appalling and ruin trust in politics. The chaos is about Cameron ran off
@@laxeystu8096 Correct, Clegg and LDs wanted on on Lisbon Treaty at the time
hauskalainen. Is it the referendum that has divided opinion or the fact half the country are dissatisfied with EU membership? If opinion was not divided there would not be any referenda to begin with as they would be pointless.
History will judge Kenneth Clarke kindly.
Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn.... not so much.
The integrity of Mr Clarke's character is questionable to say the least. I think that history will uncover many hidden crimes & criminals within the ranks of parliament. This man will certainly not escape the scrutiny.
It's interesting he isn't a Sir
@-KracN- Uxbridge suffers from him when I was there the shops talked about him, mention him they go "oh not him!"
OK SNOWFLAKE
@Car Lover the MPs are all revolting people, just think of this story from long ago, one MP used to go along the rows giving head, this was in an autobiography of a famous MP, this was in all the newspapers years ago, kiddy fiddler is the norm
Ken Clarke. A voice of reason in a world gone mad.
Cancel brexit ffs!
Now Soubry is gone, there is only him and Grieve I have any time for at all. The tory party was vigorously ransacked by extremists some time ago.
OKAY SNOWFLAKE
I fail to see why Ken Clarke is seen is such a good light by so many. What he does not realise is that those that voted Brexit in many cases do not care about the ERG. All we want is to leave the EU. It is a personal choice that crosses political boundaries. Mr Clarke talking about politicians of 50 years ago adds little to the debate. A weal;thy man with little concern about the lives of the ordinaries.
Interesting. I agree that it crosses party lines but do really think that Rees-Mogg and IDS give a toss about the ordinary man?
Ken Clarke typifies the problem with UK politics. Loyalty to the party and not their constituents.
His constituents did vote to remain.
The only grown up left in the House?
Any group of people operating on sheer ideology are incompetent. The world is complex and events are fluid. There is no fixed way of thinking that can get to grips with that reality.
I can't forgive this man for inventing Insurance Premium Tax when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer, that most unfair tax on something we would be mad or law-breaking not to pay for. Half a p when he craftily introduced it, now it is at 12%!
Stop being selfish. We need to come together as a country. Brexit gives us the opportunity to build a socialist, patriotic Britain. No more individualism. No more capitalist greed.
Please give details and date born in
1990 so not aware of this legislation and its ramifications
@@199019852007 It was imposed in the November 1993 Budget. It was a small amount, I think half of one percent, but was raised to around 2% the following year and has regularly increased since then. It is not mentioned, it just goes up.
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featherbrain
A little bit of research on this will show that the reason for this tax was to ensure that the UK received something on policies sold WITHIN THE UK by companies who established overseas bases to deliberately avoid paying tax in the UK. It was a very necessary step... might be unwelcome but it allowed the government to get something instead of nothing. Things are never as simple as they look
@@YorickReturns
No it doesn’t......it’s simply a tax dodging exercise for the rich 🙄
Clark is thinking of Clark .
@Daniel Clark Clark I stand corrected thanks for that 😉
I have written to the government. I have asked for a refund. I refuse to fund the ERG and people like Aaron Banks.
I'm often wondering, how many of comments like "WTO Brexit now", "Leave means leave" and "Leave without a dea nowl" have been written by bots. There is no argument. Would be too easy even for trolls. What would be the magnitude of bots and trolls? It would be interesting to read / watch a study in this subject.
Leave without a dea nowl!! Leave means Leave.
I'm often wondering how gullible people are when they are told that it is 'bots' writing comments they don't like (but assume that ones they do like are written by humans). I suspect very.
Steve S well it is a proven fact that there are bots who write comments on UA-cam, Facebook, Twitter and so on.
There are no argument following the “Leave means leave” “leave no deal just leave”
That would be because those who believe in democracy take it as a self evident truth that votes should be respected. It might appear that this needs more explaining to some people (the majority of Remainers)....but the trouble is, I don't think any amount of explaining will make a some people respect a vote they lose.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of your people.
I love it ,a lot of trouble with Enoch Powell
Ken Clarke was the best chancellor we've had. He followed economic theory perfectly. His policies were so good Gordon Brown continued with them. So what Ken has to say is always of value, even if his views on the EU differ from my own
love the title of this.........the ERG is incompetent....hahahahaha and so is the tory party , the labour party and thinking about it every bloody politician out there ! what do we pay them for........
Former torrie chancellor Mr Clark would certainly understand incompetence,had a thorough working knowledge of it.Tories ripping up Tories ,while labour commits political suicide what a time we are living in, hey ho.
As an American I remember an American teenager joining some Islamic Jihadist group in Afghanistan or Iran. He is of European ancestry but he had adopted Islam. At some point he had become disillusioned with American involvement in the Middle East like the fake weapons of mass destruction war on Iraq. Eventually he was captured by American forces. I am surprised that the UK had a similar case with a young lady of Bangladesh ancestry. Or I should not be surprised since a similar happened in America.
Talk about "YESTERDAY'S MAN"! Ken Clarke is one of that Class which NEVER asked the British people whether we wanted mass, Third-World, immigration; and concealed the truth about the 'Common Market'. Having attended Edward Heath's Grammar School (Chatham House, Ramsgate), I was once proud of that man. Today I regard him much as Margaret Thatcher did. In fact, I think he was an elitist, disingenuous, SNOB!
Spot on my friend
Thats just selective historical re-writing!!! We joined the EEC and as set out in the Treaty of Rome 1958, that was simply a transitory position in the process of ever greater political and economic integration. It was always thus, Heath made that clear!
What 'Third World mass immigration' thats nothing to do with Freedom of Movement in Europe?
@@bryangeake5826 Erm......once into the EU (there is not "freedom of movement in Europe"!), people external to the EU may travel wherever they wish?
@@Mark_Dyer1 Yes if they meet the EU border/immigration criteria for entry into the EU, but that is an entirely different matter than the internal EU Freedom of Movement of labour, capitol and good/services that is required, like the Euro, for the Single Market to operate efficiently, or why bother with a union!! Should Europe regress to the 19th early 20th Century's modus operandi of border controls, capital controls, currency controls, tariffs and quotas in Europe because we say so?!
@@bryangeake5826 YES! Only instead of your prejudicial "regress", I would use "recognise the sovereignty of States".
Clarke is the past master of incompetence [ and self importance ] a very silly man who is past it
Your right.dancing round in his flat,wearing a pair of y fronts and a string vest smoking a fat cigar and listening to jazz off his head on vino.pack in ken your boring and have no vision.
I was driving in my car when I seen a black bird flapping it's wings, when I reported that to the rspca they asked what it looked like, i replied a scaredy crow lmfao
BoJo, Moggie, Gove et al, it is rather like a carnival freak show
I recall being told by people on the remain side of the vote (who lost) that old people’s votes and views where irrelevant.....so why is this old man given a platform?
And now he says that he would be willing to bring his own party down.
The EU does not have to offer the UK ANYTHING after Brexit. What if the EU takes a Free Trade Deal off the table? No Norway. No Switzerland. No Canada. No free movement for tourists. No landing or flyover rights for UK planes. Suddenly the current EU rules which put 28 countries on a level playing field will look extremely attractive.
Dear old Ken
Still hasnt accepted were leaving the EU!I say this only because we haven't had real Brexit but Brino!
Sophie would get it.
Out of touch politician, only undermined the UK's negotiating position..could have got a better deal if not for people like him.
I think the Tories have traded up.
Go back to sleep ken. Imagine the mess we would be in if we had followed this mans urge to join the the euro. Remember he said we’d be mad not to join !
Ken was right. And driving at the right hand side of road is also right.
Yes. What. A mess. How unlike today.
“Jacob Rees Mogg is what idiots think smart people look and sound like”... well said Ken
What does Ken do to that shows how smart he is?
That old trope is so overused.
He’s the UKs Trump, just a completely exaggerated portrayal of Britishness with a large dollop of partiality.
@@rogerbennett9641 Ken just tells the truth. A lot of people don't like that, especially Brexshites.
@@raybo64 Let's have another vote or two , we could have one on how much we can afford to spend on Shami Begum to be able to keep her safe and living in the circumstances to which she has become accustomed.
The people who voted for brexit are thick. Thank god for good MPs like Ken to put country interest before party and try and put a stop to this madness.
Best give my degree back then.
bob Panchantantra - people who say "people who voted for brexit are thick" ... are thick. There, I feel so much better . And my Dad can beat your Dad.
Pathetic
Plonker
When people lose an argument they often resort to try and put the other person down or discredit them
Intriguing that, in attempting to set an outward facing course apart from Salvini, Orban, the AFD and the FN, we should be accused of being "far right".
Ken was right, it was obvious, even the IMF warns of excess inequality and the Tory numpties have crashed the economy following their hard right ideologies
Ken Clarke uses uses the word 'Internationalism', sorry but that's not a conservative value whatsoever. Being pro-EU is not the same thing as being an internationalist. It's being European chauvinist.
aren't the EGR only upholding the referendum and manifesto of the conservative party??
Sadly, he is one of the reasons why it has been impossible to negotiate with the EU. The EU see the parliamentary remainers and believe that they speak for the people of the UK who voted to leave. We need to reject the 5th column inside parliament whose actions amount to treason. It is the remainers who have undermined the decision of those who voted to regain our sovereignty and caused the EU to believe they can bully us into remaining. Just leave!!!
Why do the British Brexit Corporation give him (JRM) so much air time?
Most part of the time I hear and read Brexitiers saying that EEU is the one causing issues to UK, to frustrate Brexit. The only country that see EEU collapse is UK. There are many issues that needs to be addressed in the EEU, but at the moment the EEU is consolidating their financial system, and they are making deals with those emerging markets countries. So even if the EEU economy plunges into a very difficult situation, the will be secured by this deals.
ERG has won the game with the Brexit deal I'm afraid
I have alot of respect for Ken but he has lost touch with the conservatives
A very sensible Englishman who cares about his country and it's people. That's coming from an Irishman.
He may be right for EGR. I’m afraid Mogg leads the EGR is now wants to support May’s deal. What’s that?
Many here saying he's not Conservative. He is. The current party, and the ERG are not what I recognise as Conservative, they're very much more right wing than the party has been in the last few decades. Thatcher herself was pro EU. Churchill was pro Europe for obvious reasons. Ken Clarke is very much mirroring their views because he knows all the scare stories being touted by the leavers are just that, scare stories with little basis in fact. He's right though in regard to being concerned about how very far right and how far left the two main parties are going.
Shema Begum was born in Bangladesh she didn't arrive in the UK till she was 3
Citation ?
O goody! Johnson was born in the US. Can we remove his British passport, please?
@@clowncarqingdao no deport him back there ......
BodyGuardOfLies1 According to the Bangladeshi Foreign Minister, Begum was born in the UK and has never even visited her mother's birth country. Though she might qualify for Bangladeshi citizen through her mothers origin, she has never formally applied for it, therefore does not possess it. The Foreign Minister insisted that Begum would not be permitted entry to Bangladesh (perhaps because of the terrorist jaunt in Syria making this a bit sticky).
Going off Sky news very fast. Real Journalists' would find out what his interests and investments are within Europe ?
Go and check out Rees moggs company, it doesnt pay Any tax here in the UK, instead its set up in the tax havens of Singapore and the Caymen islands, In 2018, Somerset Capital opened an investment fund in Dublin. A prospectus for the new business listed Brexit as one of the risks, as it could cause "considerable uncertainty". Rees-Mogg , defended the move, stating: "The decision to launch the fund was nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit." Really?? Mogg and Johnson are laughing their heads off as they take us into a no deal...if that happens then there Will be jobs loses and living standards be affected. I really do worry for my country and All the people that live in it. Attitudes are changing and thats why we need a second vote.
The father of the house of commons has spoken
The UK doesn't need a house of commons now we are an EU state.
The date of the 29th is important because it is law. It is not arbitary. It is a date agreed upon by the vast majority of MP's to leave with or without a deal. To ignore the triggering of article 50 of the Lisbon treaty is to ignore democracy, and the process of Parliament.
The headline of this video is misleading. Clarke called the act of attempting to remove Theresa May by the ERG, incompetent, not the group itself. The ERG is the only entity in Parliament that wants to stand by the result of the Referendum, and the manifest of both parties during the general election. It is MP's like Kenneth Clarke, that want to kick the can of Brexit down the road in perpetuity.
Indeed. If the strategy is 'run down the clock and they'll blink first' then please don't reset the clock. I mean for what purpose? To run down the clock all over again?? Purleez. Pull the trigger and someone will mop up the bloody mess. IMF, anyone?
I appreciate your point .. but departure on 29th March 2018 just ain't gonna happen
@Adam Brickley Hope not, It would strengthen the thoughts of the public that their only way to influence politics by voting is like a feather to a furnace.
what does ERG mean is it Every Rightwing Gabshit
E. Egomaniac
R. Rees moggs
G. Gang
I suppose when Clarke calls the ERG incompetent hes talking about a group of MPs that are trying to deliver the referendum result and the Tory manifesto.
We voted to leave not for a deal where we remain in parts of the eu. The erg and dup seem to be the only people who are trying to deliver leaving.
The DUP and the ERG *are the minority*
@@quantumcomputation4963 of mps not the majority of voters. 80% voted for pro brexit parties
No we didn't only 35% of electorat voted to leave 65% of electorat didn't vote for brexit
That's a tremendously insightful comment. Well done.
@@johnkonwiarz7293 Because the majority of people are sheep and largest weight of money is backing remain it makes the decision even more valid.
The people vote crowd want every kind of vote except a by-election in their own constituencies. No credibility hypocrites
" social conscience * ??
From one of Thatchers cabinet. ? ? ?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaww !
So I've been sort of on the side of Sajid Javid when it comes to stripping Shamima Begum of her citizenship, but I do find Ken Clarke's argument against this a compelling one, I may have to think about it some more.
Very reasoned man of principle.
Robin Irwin
Westcountry Liberal
wisdom of solomon
Im surprised at Mr Clark saying that the leaving date of the 29th march is not important and why people keep repeating that date like its important... Well Mr Clark, cast your mind back a bit to the vote in Parliament, that made the date of the 29th of march as legally binding and put into British law, unless of course there is an expressed request by the government to the EU to extend it, to which all other member states have to agree... Perhaps its that point people keep on referring to the 29th of march...Doesn't our British law matter anymore if it doesn't agree with your undemocratic remain stance.. Oh, and the ERG are not hard right.. The ERG are just trying to make sure that the government honours its manifesto. A novel idea i know, but that doesn't make them hard right..
Jurassic Clarke
Juno Something the lad knows his stuff.
Juno Something, Judontno anything.
@@StopTheRot Are they? Such as what?
LOL
@@StopTheRot He certainly doesn't care for the environment when he says we can get more fast fashion from China hurting our own CLARK'S get it? Clarke and CLARK'S shoes!
How can Ken Clarke call anyone 'incompetent' hahaha what happened to his 'predictions' about Britain going bankrupt if they didn't take the EU currency? Ken Clarke is a standing joke.
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Not a Tory, but this man has almost always spoken with common sense
Nobody has anything new to say! Regurgitation.
Good old ken. Never done a days work in his life. He's a heavyweight conservative and no stranger to the gravy train. We should all listen to him. NOT.
I dont like going against Ken's views because of his vast experience , but watching from South Africa as a South African , It appears that I have not heard any specifics on the remain argument , they say it will be disruptive , project fear , and so on , but politics is like that ...disruptive . The problem seems to be that the EU has itself changed from a mere trading block , to an entity that is removing the fundamental rights of its 28 member countries , the euro, the ECJ (courts) The European Central Bank , Administrative interference in foreign affairs, fisheries, migration, tax and budgets (Italy and Greece) , interest rates , etc. When South Africa left the commonwealth , there were the same dire predictions, which never happened . Even little Singapore survived and thrived after its independence . Same with India , Malaya , Caribean Islands, half of Africa, Canada, why not UK ?
One of the few grown ups talking sense ..among the chaos
The Mad Hatter
Ken Clarke is well and truly yesterdays man. Time he retired to spend more time with his grandchildren.
And his zimmer frame.
Revoke Art50 now.
I notice a lot of thumbs down ( obviously Brexiters) but very little if any contribution or alternative to what's been said ?
the thumbs-down blokes' IQ is around 90 so they cannot contribute anything smart
One of few who sees the big picture.
So if remain win the 2nd referendum surely we will need a 3rd?. Best of 3?. Or do we accept the remain win, end of argument?.
Only one needed mate... But this one has to be honest and not conducted through illegal means as the leave campaign did.
Remainers are just asking for a voice for the Leavers who were lied to and were told we could have a second referendum after negotiations were complete. Prominent leave campaigners continue to lie to the electorate and ex-leavers want their voice heard after they have now found out the truth.
So to answer your question, we should have One truthful honest Referendum based on truths and facts. Not the illegal behaviour that the UK has fallen into in the past. Democracy is the right to change your mind and to punish illegal behaviour when found.
If leave wins again would remain accept or would we keep going round in circles?
He's got food on his shirt
Most contributions here from people with brains like their channel containing "no content"
The comment sections of UK Political videos seem increasingly plagued by exceptional negativity and, to put it simply, nastiness. Reluctantly, I'm increasingly inclined to believe it is being orchestrated at some level. Loud empty vessels at the extremes drowning out the middle with, as we may imminently discover, *dire consequences.*
Jeez, outlining what's wrong with Brexit to a Brexiter is like, err...
It's like explaining the remote control to a cat...
And your point is? Your too smart too have anything relevant to say?
I think Ken Clarke has lost his way personally and I don't want to know what he says.
What a shame his father was not impotent.
JRM and the ERG are the ONLY ones trying to honor the people's vote. Clarke needs to thank his lucky stars he isn't in prison.
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Chris Williamson should be the UK PM. The rest of the MPs are.......I'm not gonna say it
He's always loved Europe pity he doesn't move there
I thought he did.
@@jacobjacobsen2798 love the comments off people who ain't even English
Mark Green. Me too , but english comments can also be gold.
@@jacobjacobsen2798 I take it then your just as worried about Brexit in your country as our blundering mp's
Mark Green , sure i am. A hard brexit Will have consequenses beyond british borders.
Are incompetent totally
Well, here is a reasonable Tory.
Father of the house should be the fool of the house but no one will tell him as they are too polite.
Biased media. Respect the will of the people and sign the UK open petition for a no deal Brexit 357,238 MBGA
So that if, on the one side, 👉we shall be traduced by Popish Persons at home or abroad👈, who therefore will malign us, because we are poor instruments to make God’s holy Truth to be yet more and more known unto the people, whom they desire still to keep in ignorance and darkness; or if, on the other side, we shall be maligned by selfconceited Brethren, who run their own ways, and give liking unto nothing, but what is framed by themselves, and hammered on their anvil; we may rest secure, supported within by the truth and innocency of a good conscience, having walked the ways of simplicity and integrity, as before the Lord; and sustained without by the powerful protection of Your Majesty’s grace and favour, which will ever give countenance to honest and Christian endeavours against bitter censures and uncharitable imputations.
I can't help imagining a giant cigar and a mallet...
Bit of a slip up there Clarky boy. She is Bangladeshi isn’t she?
Hah Hah now that is funny!
Why don’t he understand that we want to leave deal or know deal on March 29.
He keeps telling lies about the Labour Party at every opportunity. We are democratic socialists, not "hard left" at all.
is that green screen? with pevsner guides? very strange
The man who should have been PM instead of Theresa May when Cameron resigned.
Ken Clarke, Brexit denier
Tell us how much money we have given to the EU over the 43+ years we have been members BILLIONS which should have been spent here in the UK
Never trust this man..
Ken Clarke "is one of three trustees of the Bilderberg Association". Don't really need to say anymore! www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10111158/Bilderberg-Ken-Clarke-forgot-he-was-a-trustee-of-funding-group.html
Enough said...Utter vile group of individuals!
If he's the father of the house no wonder we are in trouble
RIP BREXIT. ( Not a bot)
if 51.8% of the working class still support Brexit - Brexit will happen; Ken Clarke cannot stop it