The engineer's constant nightmare: How the hell are we supposed to know what to build if the people who want us to build it can't figure out what they want it for?
That happened often during the space race. You were planning to build something but next week the other country have already done it and now you have to do that but better than them and some more.
For All Mankind is like the Star Trek prequel I never knew I wanted. And Ron Moore and Naren Shankar are producers/writers on the show. I do wish Paramount would hire them back for Star Trek.
Tbh, I don't really see much ''Star Trek'' in this at all. Does that come later? Because i'm having a hard time buying a 1970s moonbase let alone anything else.
@@clearspira I think they mean the optimism, but this show still shows that the potential of pushing space exploration still had to be born of competition and military funding.
Not just a Star Trek prequel... One that's FAR more realistic because in Star Trek, thanks to Zefram Cochrane's fluke with the warp drive... AND timing due to the Vulcan's being nearby to pick up the warp signature... Humanity literally went from a Planetary Type 0.7 Civilization, to an Interstellar Type 1+ Civilization overnight!!! Completely bypassing the intermediate Interplanetary Phase! So no... This series is FAR more credible than Gene Roddenberry's pie in the sky one! And even though I would love nothing more than pie in the sky miracles to happen! We have to be realistic and pragmatic that, if we do make it into space, this show, thus far, is one of the most credible depictions of what might happen. But going back to prequels... The Expanse is the TRUE successor to this show! I mean that showdown on Mars in this show's season three, was the seed of Mars Independence from Earth. And I also LOVE the idea that our civilization at that time, completely transcended nationalistic, sexual and ethnic lines! Americans, Russians, North Koreans... Gays, Straight, Bisexuals... Black, White and EVERYTHING in Between... All working together! To exert their fledgling Martian Identity! So in fact Gene Roddenberry's vision is STILL very much alive and well! Sure, this show might not have the idealism of Star Trek right from the get-go! This show simply illustrates that we will get there... Just at a much SLOWER pace! It took some time to get hooked into this... But Man!!! This show has me by my balls now!!! And could potentially rival The Expanse! So long as it keeps getting better and better... Which it is!
I'm definitely adding it to my list to watch in full. Though it's in the back of that queue. (I still haven't gotten around to SNW season 2... I'm kind of terrible at keeping up with shows.)
One thing this show does really well is show women struggling, stumbling and often failing in pursuit of great things. These aren't girlbosses, this show actually wanted to show flawed humans and be fair about it. As we'll learn, Gordo the cheating husband actually has his virtues and overall tries to be good to his wife, while Tracy isn't as talented as she thinks she is and often fails to measure up to expectations. But both of them have greatness in them and ultimately don't let humanity down when they're called on to be heroes.
My only knowledge of this series are these reviews so i'll be honest, I was left with the distinct impression watching this that the show is very much heading down the girlboss route with Tracy. There's the ''steely attitude in the face of man's world'', the Harry Potter-like hero complex where she would rather finish last but as a hero, the fact that she stumbles but always overcomes anyway, and of course she very much ''don't need no man''. She is very much a 21st century 1970s woman. And just for the record, that is not automatically bad, she is definitely no Rey. I'm just very cynical after having seen this character type a hundred times in the last few years that what i'm seeing isn't going to end up exactly how i'm seeing it.
@@Nate1994a Having had government funded healthcare since the 1940s, I can say that it works quite well and my guaranteed salary, sick pay, free doctor and hospital visits are very appreciated.
That is a great point... you can't just send anyone willy nilly into space as an astronaut. It takes time, training and the proper mental characteristics.
It didn't help that the Soviet probably started with a larger candidates pool since they had more woman pilots from the WW 2. And NASA weren't planning to send a woman to the moon until the Soviet beat them to it. The standard can't be lowered further yet they were on a tight schedule and limited resources they were lucky that they got one candidate passed before the deadline.
@01:32 - But how would taking the Skylab configuration of a Saturn V be useful as a moon base? The Skylab launch vehicle replaced the third-stage required for trans-lunar injection phase of flight, with the “equipment module” (see WVB’s 29th Nov 1964 ‘Space Station’ adaptation note, available on Wikipedia’s ‘Skylab’ page). Without the third-stage fuel/engines (S-IVB), there is not enough thrust to get the any part of the vehicle to orbit the moon!!! It’d make more sense to fire two Saturn Vs - 1 with the Skylab module, and 1 normal S-IVB with adaptations to make a lunar tug.
Jamestown is built out of the narrow "neck" portion of Skylab just below where the ATM was, which on a proper Saturn V would be the rosepetal adapter around a LEM. It kept the third stage engines and most if not all of the fuel tanks. This is a relatively simple change if it was done early, since Skylab was being built as a wet lab with only that neck up top pressurized, the first crew would clean out the tanks and prepare the ststion. It switched to an open dry lab because the orbit could be raised later rather than launching directly into the higher orbit, and this way they didn't need cargo deliveries, Skylab launched with all the supplies for five manned missions (two of which never happened).
oh... oh i had to pause it .. because america's war machine being a gym membership no one wants to cancel in case they look like a quitter is rather too real...
The engineer's constant nightmare: How the hell are we supposed to know what to build if the people who want us to build it can't figure out what they want it for?
That happened often during the space race. You were planning to build something but next week the other country have already done it and now you have to do that but better than them and some more.
For All Mankind is like the Star Trek prequel I never knew I wanted. And Ron Moore and Naren Shankar are producers/writers on the show. I do wish Paramount would hire them back for Star Trek.
Tbh, I don't really see much ''Star Trek'' in this at all. Does that come later? Because i'm having a hard time buying a 1970s moonbase let alone anything else.
@@clearspira I think they mean the optimism, but this show still shows that the potential of pushing space exploration still had to be born of competition and military funding.
Not just a Star Trek prequel... One that's FAR more realistic because in Star Trek, thanks to Zefram Cochrane's fluke with the warp drive... AND timing due to the Vulcan's being nearby to pick up the warp signature... Humanity literally went from a Planetary Type 0.7 Civilization, to an Interstellar Type 1+ Civilization overnight!!! Completely bypassing the intermediate Interplanetary Phase!
So no... This series is FAR more credible than Gene Roddenberry's pie in the sky one! And even though I would love nothing more than pie in the sky miracles to happen! We have to be realistic and pragmatic that, if we do make it into space, this show, thus far, is one of the most credible depictions of what might happen.
But going back to prequels... The Expanse is the TRUE successor to this show! I mean that showdown on Mars in this show's season three, was the seed of Mars Independence from Earth. And I also LOVE the idea that our civilization at that time, completely transcended nationalistic, sexual and ethnic lines!
Americans, Russians, North Koreans... Gays, Straight, Bisexuals... Black, White and EVERYTHING in Between... All working together! To exert their fledgling Martian Identity!
So in fact Gene Roddenberry's vision is STILL very much alive and well! Sure, this show might not have the idealism of Star Trek right from the get-go! This show simply illustrates that we will get there... Just at a much SLOWER pace!
It took some time to get hooked into this... But Man!!! This show has me by my balls now!!! And could potentially rival The Expanse! So long as it keeps getting better and better... Which it is!
I really must rewatch the season. Such a good series.
I'm definitely adding it to my list to watch in full. Though it's in the back of that queue. (I still haven't gotten around to SNW season 2... I'm kind of terrible at keeping up with shows.)
One thing this show does really well is show women struggling, stumbling and often failing in pursuit of great things. These aren't girlbosses, this show actually wanted to show flawed humans and be fair about it. As we'll learn, Gordo the cheating husband actually has his virtues and overall tries to be good to his wife, while Tracy isn't as talented as she thinks she is and often fails to measure up to expectations. But both of them have greatness in them and ultimately don't let humanity down when they're called on to be heroes.
My only knowledge of this series are these reviews so i'll be honest, I was left with the distinct impression watching this that the show is very much heading down the girlboss route with Tracy. There's the ''steely attitude in the face of man's world'', the Harry Potter-like hero complex where she would rather finish last but as a hero, the fact that she stumbles but always overcomes anyway, and of course she very much ''don't need no man''. She is very much a 21st century 1970s woman. And just for the record, that is not automatically bad, she is definitely no Rey. I'm just very cynical after having seen this character type a hundred times in the last few years that what i'm seeing isn't going to end up exactly how i'm seeing it.
@@clearspira If you've seen all of Seasons 1 and 2, you'll know what I mean. RDM isn't Kathleen Kennedy.
@@boxtears no. this show is woke trash
@@grodo3487 Doesn't sound like you've watched it.
@@boxtears It also sounds like they don't deserve an opinion for using loaded language instead of laying out any actual specific critiques of merit
USA: Anything you can do I can do better!
USSR: How about Feminism?
USA....... FINE! We'll even throw in some desegregation! Happy!?
Keep up this pace and they might have universal health care by the 90s.
@@KianaWolf Oh god the gov in charge of health care.
@@Nate1994a Yeah! It would be wonderful.
@@Asehpe Just like the DMV and congress!
@@Nate1994a Having had government funded healthcare since the 1940s, I can say that it works quite well and my guaranteed salary, sick pay, free doctor and hospital visits are very appreciated.
That is a great point... you can't just send anyone willy nilly into space as an astronaut. It takes time, training and the proper mental characteristics.
It didn't help that the Soviet probably started with a larger candidates pool since they had more woman pilots from the WW 2. And NASA weren't planning to send a woman to the moon until the Soviet beat them to it. The standard can't be lowered further yet they were on a tight schedule and limited resources they were lucky that they got one candidate passed before the deadline.
@@minhducnguyen9276 Good point about the WWII Pilots.
Okay the show is actually getting good now.
@01:32 - But how would taking the Skylab configuration of a Saturn V be useful as a moon base? The Skylab launch vehicle replaced the third-stage required for trans-lunar injection phase of flight, with the “equipment module” (see WVB’s 29th Nov 1964 ‘Space Station’ adaptation note, available on Wikipedia’s ‘Skylab’ page). Without the third-stage fuel/engines (S-IVB), there is not enough thrust to get the any part of the vehicle to orbit the moon!!! It’d make more sense to fire two Saturn Vs - 1 with the Skylab module, and 1 normal S-IVB with adaptations to make a lunar tug.
Jamestown is built out of the narrow "neck" portion of Skylab just below where the ATM was, which on a proper Saturn V would be the rosepetal adapter around a LEM. It kept the third stage engines and most if not all of the fuel tanks.
This is a relatively simple change if it was done early, since Skylab was being built as a wet lab with only that neck up top pressurized, the first crew would clean out the tanks and prepare the ststion. It switched to an open dry lab because the orbit could be raised later rather than launching directly into the higher orbit, and this way they didn't need cargo deliveries, Skylab launched with all the supplies for five manned missions (two of which never happened).
10:00 you left out the part where Gordo basically told Tracie to grow a pair
I forgot how much stuff happened so fast in season 1. Later seasons really dragged in comparison.
6:15 "I'm sorry for not being as sexist as you would have wanted me to be honey, I promise to do better next time"
oh... oh i had to pause it ..
because america's war machine being a gym membership no one wants to cancel in case they look like a quitter is rather too real...
Due tomorrow? (please?)
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