"Can you answer this simple question?" "I appreciate your passion. Love that. It's so great. It's why I wanted to have a conversation with you before going on your channel." "Let's go back to my question.." "Of course, this passion is incredible. But you're presuming bla bla bla bla" Holy crap this guy is a professional dodge ball player
Nah, a pro would not be so obvious in dodging the question, they would pretend to be answering it, but without actually saying anything of substance. I've been watching a lot of political interview dissections lately 😄
"So, how's your day going?" "Ah, I'm really glad you asked that, and it's a really important question to ask, and I'm really glad you're the one who's asking it, I love the passion"
lol Just saw the recent Mr Beast interview and dude used a similar strategy. “Oh that’s a great question to ask. Umm.. well”. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these guys get some training beforehand.
It's a shame, because it's a great communication practice, but relies on you actually following up and answering the damn question. If you have no grift/scam you don't need to repeatedly dodge questions xD
When you want to know if you should trust someone in a job knows what they're doing, ask them a simple question about that job. If they keep talking until you stop them, they should not have that job or be responsible for anything important money wise for that job.
@@youcancallmemaurice A young orphan boy who had to feed for himself and take care of his siblings and fight stray dogs for food. A young teenager who raised his siblings, put himself through school while working a job. A young man who went out and made his first million at 18 trading the sock market well. A young man who set up charities that feed other orphans who have to fight dogs for scraps of food. A proud successful entrepreneur that wants to help other orphans, families and the working class. This is that man who was a boy from Bulgaria! 🤥🤣😂
Rule #2 of investigative journalism: If the person you're trying to interview tries to legally pressure you into silence, that means you're on to something. (Rule #1 is "Don't talk to the police.")
Just imagine if they tried making him sign an NDA how many other media organisations are signing NDAs out there for other stories just to get the stories out and they never say anything about it! At least coffee was open and honest about it and called them out on it!
It was an extremely hostile start to the interview. If I didn't know any better, I'd think the CEO was trying to get a reaction out of coffeezilla, but coffee wasn't buying it. This guy may have thanked coffee for exposure, but this was the worst exposure possible. The guy didn't seem confident at all.
"We are happy that you are talking to us, we do not steer clear from tough questions, but we believe you are rude, so we want you to apologize and never talk about us again"
The mere fact they thought it was a good idea to come on here demonstrates poor judgement. What’s interesting is it’s genuinely difficult to assess the degree to which they are naïvely optimistic versus predatory
First of all... love the passion, you're obviously very passionate and argumentative. That's why I'll politely decline your request to refrain further disclosure concerning your endeavors.
This is one of the most truthful interviews ever, Coffee is definitely very passionate. I’m glad you asked him 1000 times if he thought you were passionate.
We wont lose money, because if someone tries to redeem thier rewards, we will simply say they are not using the token in good faith, and not pay them any rewards they were promised. Thats basically what i understood from this.
CEO: "You're being very presumptuous and using third party information." Coffee: "Actually I'm using the information you post for your customers." CEO: "Okay, but you're presuming the information we feed our customers is accurate."
7:52 is about that spot, I'm at 7:54 and Coffee just said that same line reffered to above, that he's not using online 3rd party, he's using what they tell themselves on their site
Your point is correct but you can't put things in quote that aren't quotes from the video. Quotes mean something very specific and its isnt jow you used it. That's inaccurate, dishonest, and dumb because you know better.
I love these uncut, audio-only interviews in The Void because there's certain facial expressions you make after getting an especially bullshit non-answer that are just amazing
For those of you who aren’t old enough to remember; this is real journalism. This is how it used to be for ALL public figures when they were dishonest.
Given the reputation of coffee not being gullible and sticking to questions like a bloodhound i am amazed that this CEO went in so confident yet so unarmed. This was hilarious.
Love when he said says “let me explain” and then proceeds to do no explaining. He’s actually really good at it cuz i slowly start losing interest in the nonsense
It's called gobbledegook. Answers are specifically phrased and spoken as non-answers. The idea is to get you to lose focus and stop asking questions while still providing a defense of answering questions.
“For every tree we use to build a house, we’re gonna plant two more!” Is a sustainability plan. What this guy is suggesting is, “We’re always gonna have enough trees because we’re never gonna make any houses.”
Except people like me, who don’t watch this channel obsessively and have never heard of this project. But him being on here means someone like me at least now knows about it. And the host being snide to the guy doesn’t necessarily make someone like me be against the project.
@@codycast He wasn't being snide - he asked a simple question, and the guy deflects with insulting his credibility and calling him rude He deflects with redirecting the question to be about Coffee's character - which in itself is pretty telling He never answers the question It's a pretty common manipulation tactic, kinda like in your comment where you're saying "because I don't watch this channel obsessively and have never heard of this project", projecting a character flaw onto people who disagree with you instead of actually commenting on the topic. You actually don't really mention in your comment how the CEO here is behaving, you're making it solely about coffee, and the people who think the CEO looks manipulative here
as someone who doesn't really care and has no biases one way or another: guy said there's a 5% fee when transferring tokens or something along those lines, then stumbled around saying a bunch of other stuff I struggled to follow. I'm 20 minutes in and coffee has done a poor job proving it's a scam. he's not asking enough dynamic questions in response to what guy is saying to try to pin him on lies and is instead reading off pre-planned questions.. then the response is a 5 minute word salad. maybe its better further in, but I won't ever know.
Appreciate the longer video.. I’m so tired of 10min ad grab vids.. your vids always have clear audio, clear understanding and just overall 10/10 stellar vid quality. Please keep up the longer vids
That seems to be the main scammer technique. Just babble tangentially related nonsense until nobody can possibly decipher what you are talking about, then act like you explained everything.
Coffee is failing to understand here. Not his fault it’s pretty complicated. Let me summarise easily for you: The flux capacitation generates multiple flugions based on the lunar moon cycle. These are then ‘retro-drenched’ into the liability framework shredder which then spits out the revenue necessary to hold up the pyramid It’s pretty easy for most to understand. Maybe coffee is tired today.
CEO “You need to know the facts” Coffee “Well your company says these are the facts if they’re not then what are the facts?” CEO “I love your passion! But you need your find out the facts.” Coffee: heres your facts from your own employees, website and papers.” CEO: “Still love the passion. You need to stop coming to the wrong assumptions” All of this translates to is the ceo is trying to create confusion and be boring. Coffee isn’t letting him off the hook anytime soon
Notice how every time he starts answering your questions he begins with a personal attack framed in a compliment? Already at the 2nd or 3rd question he wanted to start swearing at you, swallowing that F hard. The guy is nuts and his economics are nuts. Please don't speak so passionately next time, ok coffee? Please? :D:D I applaud you for hanging in there for as long as you did and putting their feet to the fire. I was out after about 25 minutes. I also applaud you for not featuring this on your main channel for obvious reasons. Best of luck to all involved in this project and have a dependence on this magical waffling 'CEO'.
I never thought about it, but while someone flashing money looks sleazy, I would rather my bank/financial advisor/people holding my money not be broke.
@@jared6511 Right? If they had a system to make money so fast they'd... probably use it. They wouldn't need to sell it to other people. It feels like they don't even understand they're doing this.
@jared6511 You will never see the money of a good financial institution. Because its in a bank either themselves or offshore where they can make more money off their money.
the constant waffling between "we're an established company that's been here for years so there's no way we're doing anything wrong because we haven't collapsed yet" and "we're just a small little startup so of course we make all sorts of mistakes and you must give us grace for that" is the most annoying part for me. pick a struggle, man. do you have your shit together or do you not???
Also "Coffee my customers are not like you and I who understand Web 3" And "Coffee you have zero economic credentials and can't possibly understand anything my smarty-smart self can say"
In their defense, both can be true... to some extent. My sister works in a 14-people startup that has been in the market for at least 6 years. Technically, at this point, they are no longer a start-up and more of a small business, but that is little excuse to either flex on success or dismiss their mistakes; doing any of those is dishonesty. But we aren't talking about a honest company here, are we?
Ikr sis 😭 this guy’s “defense” of his company is just like nails on a chalkboard!!! Ik it’s a high bar, but I genuinely think this guy is WORSE and MORE ANNOYING than the Rabbit CEO (that AI scam with the R1)
He tried every manipulative trick in the book: ✔️Flattery ✔️ Gaslighting ✔️ Outright lying ✔️Diversion ✔️ Playing the victim ✔️ Minimization/belittling And still Coffee stayed on task and did not deviate from trying to get him to answer his ONE question - how do you make profits with your current model? And they could not.
The "passion" thing is an obnoxious technique. It is an underhanded way of saying Coffee is being emotional and not logical about this while the CEO sounds, on the surface, like he is being polite.
Right. He was just asking questions, I didn't see anything passionate about it. Coffee is taking this interview seriously, that's it. But that passionate compliment is backhanded.
It's a general was to talk in corporate, you can't say a colleague is emotional, you rather use corporate friendly words like passion, or "I appreciate your eagerness/tenacity" I agree it is obnoxious but that's corporate speak for ya, very very obnoxious
@@nqobilengema2165 Love corpospeak so much, I could not have ever thought up of a language that's so completely devoid of personality or sincerity. It's the truest shade of grey. So many words that mean so little.
In summary" "If you understood how it worked you wouldn't be asking such silly questions" Coffeezilla: "Then explain to me how it works" "I can't explain that without an NDA" "Use laymans terms" "Uh....Uh....uh..."
Their business model is that anyone who actually tries to cash out their rewards the way the service is advertised gets banned, and then the company uses the fees those people paid and the fees their users continue to pay in order to cash out rewards for the users who don't get greedy. In reality, users are only getting the 1%-2% cashback that is considered standard, and much of that is being paid for by the fees of people who get banned before they can cash anything out. If there aren't enough users getting banned, then the company won't be able to pay out the rewards for the main users. So, there has to be a steady stream of people signing up, paying a bunch of fees, and then getting banned in order for the main userbase to get their rewards. And even then, there's no guarantee that the main users will be able to cash out enough rewards to break even with the high fees. What they are really getting is the illusion of having all these rewards, but the catch is that they aren't actually allowed to cash out more than whatever the company deems as reasonable. They will never actually be able to use the majority of the rewards they have earned, and so in practice, they are only getting a percentage of what is promised.
This was quite the ride, but if you want the short version: A) There's still a huge ???? between buying in and cashing out. The closest they come to explaining the massive amounts of rewards they're offering is being able to buy rewards discounted. B) They will heavily curate (limit) your experience to ensure their profit, which apparently seems to include simply banning you if you're not using their program the way they believe you should be, despite maintaining the conditions that give the impression you may do so. C) They appreciate Coffee's passion. D) Their calculator on the website is for fun and hypothetical. E) They seem to allude to a future, mystery success that will give them more money to work with at one point.
the second thing is the most interesting thing about this, where there's such a massive contradiction going on. ESPECIALLY in the context of a crypto-adjacent economy the only reason you set these teasers so sky-high is to attract people who feel like they can utilize it, but if you do utilize it in any way that presents a threat to their system you are akin to some MMORPG player using bugs to disrupt the game- a bad-faith exploiter. Rather than just fixing the bug, they display it prominently on their website and micromanage those who would use it
So theyre probably banking on that people are stupid enough to hand them money and they can then give them some sort of rewards if they feel like it. Probably lookin to reward some so they can go around professing how good this thing is, doing their work for them. Only thing now for these guys is to come up with an idea to get peoples money. They probably with this they get some, but probably not alot. Like basic silicon valley style thing. The bussiness idea can be stupid you just have to convince VC investors to get loads of money
I love how you smiled when he said "love the energy". You sir are a true skeptic. Not suspicious at all that he frequently says in some form "thanks for asking the hard questions. I love your approach".... "When you haven't done anything wrong, there's nothing to hide"......"Please sign these legal docs limiting the scope of discussion"
I'll communicate the Oxford dictionary association the new definition for "interview" is answering any straight question with an unrelated word salad 😊
I'm 15 minutes in and so far the CEO's plan to remain profitable is to just print more tokens as they need them, he views them as monopoly money with his company operating as the monopoly game board, but for the same reasons why countries that continuously 'print' money wind up with ridiculous inflation and a severe devaluation of the labor force of that country. This is the exact reason why we have regulations and a centralization of currency within most countries. The only people who benefit from a lack of regulations are the people looking to do things the regulations would otherwise prevent them from doing anyway.
Bingo. If he just came out and said "yeah it's inflationary, the token won't be worth as many miles in the future", then I could respect his honesty. But he desperately does not want to admit this. The only possibilities are default or inflation.
Jesus you got patience man! Bless you! I’d have ran out within the first 89 times you asked him the same question. Why is it always people with room temperature IQ that are trying to become scammers?
so basically this dude is making a ponzy scheme with some guard rails to make sure he can keep it going as long as possible before everything crashes down.
The part where Coffeezilla tells him he came to speak passionate and not the way a moderator asked was the most formal and refined f**k off I've ever heard. Well said.
It was impressive they had the balls to gaslight him like that, unless they thought it wasn’t obvious they were gaslighting. Of course either way it didn’t work, because it was absurd to ask a journalist with integrity to “just be nice” or whatever softball kid gloves “conversational” interview style they wanted. It was really embarrassing to listen to (but very entertaining).
I was listening to this yesterday on X. You grilled him! it was hilarious listening to this CEO compliment you and your energy, and call you a hater in the exact same breath.
John: Hi my name is John! Zilla: Hi John! John: Woah woah where did you get that name? Zilla: You just said that's your name, also it says your name on this birth certificate you just showed. John: That's not factual you are just making stuff up! Is pretty much what I got from this interview lol
FUN FACT: they wanted to make the interview in Twitter because its almost impossible, without a lot of preparation, to hold anyone accountable with evidence (screenshot, articles, etc) or share any info properly on these Twitter spaces, limiting the dialogue to ¨just trust me¨ and thats hear say and ¨¨you dont have evidence¨ (at that moment). They knew what what were doing.
@@Asgard-vdS Thats true, however there two problem with thinking like that is the end of the story. People dont see what a prosecutor is doing nor does the prosecutor sees what scammers do, unless properly called out by sadly, thousands of people, and the second problem is that even if a prosecutor sees it and takes actions that is still not rising awareness against the scam so in the mean time its still stealing people money. Which is why its super important to call it out as public as possible and instead of just say, meeh the prosecutor got it.
Unlike Coffezilla, who is a person that I used to like, but now he's a liar and scam artist. Voidzilla is a very passionate man, and I respect that very much
Yeah he obviously saw ALL of Coffee's content and totally knew how he works. Especially that NDA is something a sane person would send to Coffee. A man who doesn't even take donations. 😂😂😂
"its sustainable because it doesnt cost us money to issue rewards, we just print tokens. we make money because we charge a subscription fee. its one of a kind" - actually that sounds like a pretty common scam in the crypto space
Ah don't you see, Inflation is a conspiracy made up the shadow cabal that rules the world and there for does not exist. You know this is true because how else do you explain that my scam is worth it. Did I say scam? Euuh I mean awesome secret product that economist don't want you to know about offcourse.
I'm impressed with your ability to be patient and let him talk himself into a hole. I would have spent the entire hour and a half trying to get a clear answer to the first question.
ROFL 😂 “To be honest this conversation really helps because anyone who is in this chat can understand we are trying to build something valuable” NOOOO Sir, you confused me way more than helped me.
Step 1: CZ asks a question. Step 2: Other Guy gives an insincere compliment. Step 3: Other Guy stammers out evasive word salad. Step 4: Other Guy plays victim. Step 5: CZ asks same question. Step 6: Other Guy gives an insincere compliment. Step 7: Other Guy stammers out evasive word salad. Step 8: Other Guy plays victim. Step 9: CZ asks same question. Step 10: Other Guy gives an insincere compliment. Step 11: Other Guy stammers out evasive word salad. Step 12: Other Guy plays victim. Step 13: CZ asks same question. Step 14: Other Guy gives an insincere compliment. Step 15: Other Guy stammers out evasive word salad. Step 16: Other Guy plays victim. Step 17: CZ asks same question. Step 18: Other Guy gives an insincere compliment. Step 19: Other Guy stammers out evasive word salad. Step 20: Other Guy plays victim. Repeat
Mate, those compliments were too much - the first five times I figured he was just nervous, but now I think he did some "master manipulator" course that recommended disarming with compliments.
It's because you don't hear from CEOs that actually run an up & up business that's profitable due to actual sale of products and services. Because that CEO is actually working. If a CEO is doing PR or damage control, that company is either losing money or looking for stock value rather than concrete commercial profits.
@@JK.Fraser You’re absolutely right! A product and its returns would speak for themselves. No legitimate CEO would HAVE to PR or stammer explain how their product worked. Total Scam! Who would even touch this product or try to defend their personal investment in it? 🙄 It’s Dead on Arrival.
Sadly this is proven to be a good business model in tech...lie out your ass to attract money until you get bought out and then whoever bought you just tells more lies with a louder megaphone until they can sell it off sometimes it ends with an actual product getting developed, but that's kind of irrelevant to the first links in the chain, who are just out to prove that "this story sells" basically, monetizing gullibility/fomo which has been a marketing practice forever but really fine-tuned in the past decade or so to the point where it can be the primary focus of a company. Adding in crypto shitcoins which let you easily take money from random schmucks who want to gamble on your scheme just sweetens the pie even more.
Most companies that require a salesperson or a door knocker is either lying, overselling , or simply don’t care. It’s very important to always do your research. Don’t be a “yes” person and challenge them. Listen and understand. If it sounds to good, it is!
Just sell and leave guys, nothing said in this interview gives any confidence. But if you follow the subreddit you’ll know it’s potentially already too late to get out, people have already started to close their accounts with hundred if not thousands of pounds in PLU still in the account which is forfeited upon account closure. Get out while you can, if you can’t just leave anyway. If this isn’t a scam I don’t know what is. The CEO can’t answer any questions, such red flag.
lol, he says at around 16:00, that he wants to answer all the tough questions but doesn’t want to put his company in a situation that can’t be fixed. That’s essentially an admission that you can’t explain how this model works credibly. Which, obviously, but it’s funny that he even went that far.
I was listening in the background and had to rewind to watch that part directly. I was thinking I missed some sort of visual aggression or something bc it sounded as calm as possible lmao they were FEELING the burn and regretting their decision to do this interview and taking normal questions as aggression because of that. They’re not even good scammers…
I don’t watch a ton of videos, but I’m just glad you called him by his name (I assume you use the correct name ) and didn’t call him “coffee” which seems so cringy.
He gave away the answer; the rewards cost them nothing, because they are worth nothing Ah, even better; you are giving them money, and praying they let you use it. So imagine putting your money in a bank's checking account, and the bank then telling you how and what you can buy. This model is nothing new, it's the same as company mining towns, except the only revenue is from finding new victims
"You're making assumptions. Assumptions based on the shady information we have kind of provided and if you want to know more, you legally have to keep it a secret. Not that we're lying."
There isn't any sustainability. They don't offer anything to sell, that would make the money they need to give back to the investors. We need to teach this stuff in schools, because clearly people don't see "10x" and run like they should do.
big deal stock traders say 2% is the gold standard and what people should be striving for with getting a return. IF a wolf of wall street is out there with their nose to the grindstone, TRYING to get 2% as a day job, plugging in 9-5 everyday. And someone comes around, and says that you can turn a profit of x10, with no effort...RIP bozo
But "it doesn't cost [them] anything to issue rewards" lol why would they need to make money to hand money out /s On a serious note, it's not education that's the issue, it's the way we allow bad actors to prey on vulnerable people. Regulators need to step in and put the fear of law into them. We also need to pay people sustainable, living wages so they don't need to 10x their money to do more than just survive.
That’s such a good point. I’m so glad Coffee is here to educate us, but you’re right-this should be a mandatory class for high school seniors. We are far too hyper-capitalist for that to happen tho
@@Spoopball What are you talking about? 2% gold standard? For what, return on savings? The Fed is literally paying 5% interest on reserves which are base money like cash. You can buy Treasuries that pay that or simply a savings account.
If they want to create a sustainable income for the rewards, create a subscription service where Daniel gets asked simple questions, and her drones on beating around the bush for an hour to use as white noise for sleeping. It is literally what this has been for me through the whole interview: white noise with Coffee breaking it up once in a whileXD.
What I took from all that garbage is “we can’t 10x your money rn. We don’t have the system for it. But if we over promise and enough people fall for it. Then we can 10x SOME people’s money”
@knetknight19 wrong. They definetely can 10X your amount of PLU, you won't be able to use those PLU to cash them out, and their value will definetely crash at least X10 (from 1$ to 0.10$), so 1plu at the start = 10plu at the end
I love how when you got to your point about how they make money he starts getting all tongue tied and nervous and starts pointing out negative situations.
he was tongue twisting and hyper talking from the beginning, not a good sign of clear conscience. From the first few sentences i knew that guy aint good.
I really liked the card. The whole thing started to crumble badly when the CEO started publicly attacking users who just voiced concerns about the bad changes. Changes that were clearly too extreme and one-sided. He actually talked about users getting "free candy" while they were paying subscriptions. Even if the system could have been saved, the CEO just kept/keeps destroying their credibility. Main reason I decided to sell.
"I love the passion."
He does not love the passion 💀
lmaoo ikr
Does it bring joy?
It’s like he asked GPT for some strategies on building rapport
Dude took some LinkedIn PR course and only got through the first video lesson.
This
"Can you answer this simple question?"
"I appreciate your passion. Love that. It's so great. It's why I wanted to have a conversation with you before going on your channel."
"Let's go back to my question.."
"Of course, this passion is incredible. But you're presuming bla bla bla bla"
Holy crap this guy is a professional dodge ball player
Literally 3 minutes of waffling😂
Normalize throwing balls in interviews.
"You'll be apologizing at the end of this interview"
God i hate this man, his voice creates honest angry anxiety onside of me with his stuttering and bullshit
Nah, a pro would not be so obvious in dodging the question, they would pretend to be answering it, but without actually saying anything of substance. I've been watching a lot of political interview dissections lately 😄
"So, how's your day going?"
"Ah, I'm really glad you asked that, and it's a really important question to ask, and I'm really glad you're the one who's asking it, I love the passion"
🤣😂😅
lol Just saw the recent Mr Beast interview and dude used a similar strategy. “Oh that’s a great question to ask. Umm.. well”. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these guys get some training beforehand.
The PASSION
It's a shame, because it's a great communication practice, but relies on you actually following up and answering the damn question. If you have no grift/scam you don't need to repeatedly dodge questions xD
“Love the passion. You’re very passionate.”
That’s what I tell IRS agents when I’m getting audited.
lmao straight negging
This was so hard to watch... but we have the passion
You have my sympathies. I heard being under takes decades in the US.
I also said that during traffic stop with beer cans litter my backseat and muffled scream from my trunk.
That straight out of a conflict coachijng lmao, these people are literaly zombies. They just work based on what they learned in the business school.
Someone get this CEO into a political office, hes a natural at non-answering questions
Just like Trump
professional yapper
When you want to know if you should trust someone in a job knows what they're doing, ask them a simple question about that job.
If they keep talking until you stop them, they should not have that job or be responsible for anything important money wise for that job.
@@josephmarzullojust like all of them. They all suck.
He's another business weenie BS artist. Talks forever but says nothing.
zilla: "How can you guarantee such high returns?"
scammer: "Let me start at the beginning. When dinosaurs roamed the lands..."
I was just a boy in Bulgaria...
@@youcancallmemaurice A young orphan boy who had to feed for himself and take care of his siblings and fight stray dogs for food. A young teenager who raised his siblings, put himself through school while working a job. A young man who went out and made his first million at 18 trading the sock market well. A young man who set up charities that feed other orphans who have to fight dogs for scraps of food. A proud successful entrepreneur that wants to help other orphans, families and the working class. This is that man who was a boy from Bulgaria! 🤥🤣😂
"Have you ever heard of the cambrean explosion coffeezilla?"
Pretty much.
I know a Stegosaurus who quadrupled his money
I just love that we reached a point where scammers are so afraid of being exposed by Coffee that they try to make him sign an NDA.
Rule #2 of investigative journalism: If the person you're trying to interview tries to legally pressure you into silence, that means you're on to something.
(Rule #1 is "Don't talk to the police.")
Best part is NDAs mean squat if they cover up a crime.
@@SoshikixI love that law, for real
@@Noxedwinsays who? Bob Woodward says #2 is "leave opinion out"
Are you just making shit up?
Just imagine if they tried making him sign an NDA how many other media organisations are signing NDAs out there for other stories just to get the stories out and they never say anything about it! At least coffee was open and honest about it and called them out on it!
"Your acting more like a troll than a journalist" What he meant to say was "Why can't we pay you off or trick you into an NDA like other journalists?"
Coffee please investigate us. No you can't ask me questions that make me upset
But he's skint evidently 🤣🤣🤣. A poor man often turns to scams though 😂😂😂
@@bouclechocolatwhy do people ask coffee to investigate do they think that word means investment watergate
It was an extremely hostile start to the interview. If I didn't know any better, I'd think the CEO was trying to get a reaction out of coffeezilla, but coffee wasn't buying it. This guy may have thanked coffee for exposure, but this was the worst exposure possible. The guy didn't seem confident at all.
@@J0hnT0m0rr0w What was "extreme" about it ? I've seen way, way worse conversations with worse arguments.
“Sign an NDA and I’ll show you!” Wow, that’s such a kind offer! He’s totally not hiding anything
"We are happy that you are talking to us, we do not steer clear from tough questions, but we believe you are rude, so we want you to apologize and never talk about us again"
😂😂😂😢😢😢😅😅😅
that was basically this whole interview in a nutshell lol
The mere fact they thought it was a good idea to come on here demonstrates poor judgement. What’s interesting is it’s genuinely difficult to assess the degree to which they are naïvely optimistic versus predatory
"I love the passion and great question."
First of all... love the passion, you're obviously very passionate and argumentative.
That's why I'll politely decline your request to refrain further disclosure concerning your endeavors.
He didn’t want you to investigate him, he just wanted you to bring attention to his project so he can make more money 😭
idk, cause he wanted him to sign an nda so coffee woudnt of even been able to talk about it. not actually sure what this guy wanted lol
😅 bingo
Yes. He is openly saying this at 30:00. They wanted to talk with him publicly to get attention.
Nailed it. This is a tough listen for someone like me with little intrest in crypto type stuff, I'm 10min in and I think I got the gist.
I came here to say exactly this.
This is one of the most truthful interviews ever, Coffee is definitely very passionate. I’m glad you asked him 1000 times if he thought you were passionate.
We wont lose money, because if someone tries to redeem thier rewards, we will simply say they are not using the token in good faith, and not pay them any rewards they were promised. Thats basically what i understood from this.
Because thats "game-ifying" it 😂
They said the quiet, scammy part out loud quite a bit in that interview. 😂
THIS!
At 24:15…isn’t the guy just describing a Ponzi scheme?
And then we'll ban them for abusing the system and breaking trust!
CEO: "You're being very presumptuous and using third party information."
Coffee: "Actually I'm using the information you post for your customers."
CEO: "Okay, but you're presuming the information we feed our customers is accurate."
Timestamp? I think I remember something like this, but I don't wanna go back and look for it 😂
@@Dan_kraken So, I wasn't actually quoting him, but there is an exchange that this is paraphrasing I believe less than 20% of the way into the video.
7:52 is about that spot, I'm at 7:54 and Coffee just said that same line reffered to above, that he's not using online 3rd party, he's using what they tell themselves on their site
@phazonfish I'm not gonna lie to you, really sounds like something this ceo would hint at
Your point is correct but you can't put things in quote that aren't quotes from the video. Quotes mean something very specific and its isnt jow you used it. That's inaccurate, dishonest, and dumb because you know better.
If this CEO was an RPG character, he would have a 100% deflection stat
think it would be like a shield of thorns, the damage gets returned to sender
I’d say he’s probably broken and needs to get fixed in an upcoming patch but it’s a Ubisoft game so it’ll never happen.
I love these uncut, audio-only interviews in The Void because there's certain facial expressions you make after getting an especially bullshit non-answer that are just amazing
It looks like coffeezilla is muting his mic to be able to roll his eyes 🤣
It's the looking directly into the camera as he listens to the BS. No words needed to understand what he is thinking, haha.
Yes, love it when he 'bish please's at the camera like he's on The Office.
i like them because we can see the passion of coffee
For those of you who aren’t old enough to remember; this is real journalism. This is how it used to be for ALL public figures when they were dishonest.
Yes, before the age of giving a free handy and plugging their new book.
Hardtalk on the BBC is still good. Stephen Sackur is great
@@m_cabral before it became normal to just buy newspaper (Looking at you Bezos) and ooofing them for exposing them
@@m_cabral there's plenty of it today
You still see this kind of journalism in Europe. The politicians are often grilled to the bone, at least they are in my country
Given the reputation of coffee not being gullible and sticking to questions like a bloodhound i am amazed that this CEO went in so confident yet so unarmed.
This was hilarious.
The CEO is just another scammer who thought he was smarter then Coffee and completely underestimated him
Love when he said says “let me explain” and then proceeds to do no explaining. He’s actually really good at it cuz i slowly start losing interest in the nonsense
It's called gobbledegook. Answers are specifically phrased and spoken as non-answers. The idea is to get you to lose focus and stop asking questions while still providing a defense of answering questions.
I'm still waiting....
Oh good. So it wasn't just me. By the time the guy got to the end of his answer, I forgot what he was supposed to be talking about.
After a while, my mind tuned out, too! The thing I kept hearing him say was, "you're not wrong," which means, "you're right"!
Weaponized rambling
“For every tree we use to build a house, we’re gonna plant two more!” Is a sustainability plan. What this guy is suggesting is, “We’re always gonna have enough trees because we’re never gonna make any houses.”
Hey, don’t expose my sustainability plan. >:( That shit was worth like 3 mil.
This is such a good way too explain what happened here
But give me money and I Will gift You a house.
Why people are so entitled to this houses that nobody promised them???
idk, that sounds pretty sustainable to me!
That's the best explanation of crypto ever
The fact that he consistently thanked Coffee for exposure, not at all realizing how bad he looks here
Except people like me, who don’t watch this channel obsessively and have never heard of this project. But him being on here means someone like me at least now knows about it. And the host being snide to the guy doesn’t necessarily make someone like me be against the project.
@ do you see this video and want to trust that guy with your money?
@@WildcatAirsofter me? Hell no. Dude seems like a scammer.
@@codycast He wasn't being snide - he asked a simple question, and the guy deflects with insulting his credibility and calling him rude
He deflects with redirecting the question to be about Coffee's character - which in itself is pretty telling
He never answers the question
It's a pretty common manipulation tactic, kinda like in your comment where you're saying "because I don't watch this channel obsessively and have never heard of this project", projecting a character flaw onto people who disagree with you instead of actually commenting on the topic. You actually don't really mention in your comment how the CEO here is behaving, you're making it solely about coffee, and the people who think the CEO looks manipulative here
@@codycast he is not being snide - he is asking important questions in a straight forward manner.
"How do you make money?"
'I love the passion, but no, I won't answer that'
After anyone will not answer this question, esp in crypto and you still invest in this coin then your an idiot.
"If you want an answer to that question, sign this NDA."
When he said "network effect" it became clear it is a Ponzi scheme. Which, famously, do not make money just debt.
I think the CEO is just hoping to get looking sustainable so that he can get VC money in and use that money to actually pay out rewards
as someone who doesn't really care and has no biases one way or another: guy said there's a 5% fee when transferring tokens or something along those lines, then stumbled around saying a bunch of other stuff I struggled to follow. I'm 20 minutes in and coffee has done a poor job proving it's a scam. he's not asking enough dynamic questions in response to what guy is saying to try to pin him on lies and is instead reading off pre-planned questions.. then the response is a 5 minute word salad. maybe its better further in, but I won't ever know.
y’all ever notice how passionate coffee is?
Now I do
Is he really? I never picked that up.... 😂
I have never heard of him being passionate, but you know you learn new things daily. 😅
I love his passion
Seriously, this is exactly the same tone he always uses
Appreciate the longer video.. I’m so tired of 10min ad grab vids.. your vids always have clear audio, clear understanding and just overall 10/10 stellar vid quality. Please keep up the longer vids
I got lost in his first "that's an important question and I understand your concern"
"I love the energy"
Exactly@@dunravin
That seems to be the main scammer technique. Just babble tangentially related nonsense until nobody can possibly decipher what you are talking about, then act like you explained everything.
Yeah as soon as they start doing that instead of answering the question you know they are likely about to spout bullshit.
Ii stopped paying attention after the third "I can explain"
all i learned was that coffee is very passionate
I also hear he's gay according to Tate
So much passion oh my God I’m boutta bust🥵
@@ScoliosisKing22 I heard he bangs his sister
@@ScoliosisKing22Tate was scared to step back into the matrix so he sent his drones to tell Coffee that
But do you understand where he's coming from?
Coffee is failing to understand here. Not his fault it’s pretty complicated. Let me summarise easily for you:
The flux capacitation generates multiple flugions based on the lunar moon cycle. These are then ‘retro-drenched’ into the liability framework shredder which then spits out the revenue necessary to hold up the pyramid
It’s pretty easy for most to understand. Maybe coffee is tired today.
Man just created the Improbability Drive from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
They always say don’t make assumptions without knowing the facts, but refuse to explain the facts. Major red flag
CEO “You need to know the facts”
Coffee “Well your company says these are the facts if they’re not then what are the facts?”
CEO “I love your passion! But you need your find out the facts.”
Coffee: heres your facts from your own employees, website and papers.”
CEO: “Still love the passion. You need to stop coming to the wrong assumptions”
All of this translates to is the ceo is trying to create confusion and be boring. Coffee isn’t letting him off the hook anytime soon
That's why I love his journalism skills.
Keep 👏🏽 stepping 👏🏽on👏🏽 their 👏🏽necks.
He offered the facts…. Behind an NDA
@benstanfill363 He can have the facts, he just can't report on them or tell anyone
Journalist: *asks a question *
Ceo: "I love the passion ✨❤️"
I don't trust anyone who says they "love someones passion"
it's his version of saying "I wanna be part of your symphony.. 🐬🌟🌈"
Notice how every time he starts answering your questions he begins with a personal attack framed in a compliment? Already at the 2nd or 3rd question he wanted to start swearing at you, swallowing that F hard. The guy is nuts and his economics are nuts. Please don't speak so passionately next time, ok coffee? Please? :D:D
I applaud you for hanging in there for as long as you did and putting their feet to the fire. I was out after about 25 minutes. I also applaud you for not featuring this on your main channel for obvious reasons. Best of luck to all involved in this project and have a dependence on this magical waffling 'CEO'.
"We have this great system guaranteed to make you money and also we're broke."
Amazing stuff.
Trust me bro, it'll work out eventually
I never thought about it, but while someone flashing money looks sleazy, I would rather my bank/financial advisor/people holding my money not be broke.
@@jared6511 Right? If they had a system to make money so fast they'd... probably use it. They wouldn't need to sell it to other people. It feels like they don't even understand they're doing this.
@jared6511 You will never see the money of a good financial institution. Because its in a bank either themselves or offshore where they can make more money off their money.
the constant waffling between "we're an established company that's been here for years so there's no way we're doing anything wrong because we haven't collapsed yet" and "we're just a small little startup so of course we make all sorts of mistakes and you must give us grace for that" is the most annoying part for me. pick a struggle, man. do you have your shit together or do you not???
I’m a 100 year old widdle baby :( 3:
Enron goes brrrr.
bitconnect also was around for some years.
Also "Coffee my customers are not like you and I who understand Web 3"
And
"Coffee you have zero economic credentials and can't possibly understand anything my smarty-smart self can say"
In their defense, both can be true... to some extent. My sister works in a 14-people startup that has been in the market for at least 6 years. Technically, at this point, they are no longer a start-up and more of a small business, but that is little excuse to either flex on success or dismiss their mistakes; doing any of those is dishonesty.
But we aren't talking about a honest company here, are we?
CEO: "We welcome tough questions."
also CEO: "You're so argumentative"
This was painful. I congratulate you Steven for the patience to keep confronting him while he dodges questions
Ikr sis 😭 this guy’s “defense” of his company is just like nails on a chalkboard!!! Ik it’s a high bar, but I genuinely think this guy is WORSE and MORE ANNOYING than the Rabbit CEO (that AI scam with the R1)
The guy speaking to coffee sounds like he was struggling to speak too 😂😂
Facts same
The actual answer to every question was "We'll figure it out when we get there".
Inspires my confidence for sure.
56:50 This is gold! He had no answer... "I think you're muted"
I love the guy that came in and went "can you please be calm" as if Mr Zilla isn't speaking in a very calm manner
He tried every manipulative trick in the book:
✔️Flattery
✔️ Gaslighting
✔️ Outright lying
✔️Diversion
✔️ Playing the victim
✔️ Minimization/belittling
And still Coffee stayed on task and did not deviate from trying to get him to answer his ONE question - how do you make profits with your current model?
And they could not.
I low-key thought he was going to tell Daniel to calm down. Man sounded like he was going to have a nervous breakdown the entire time lol.
Yeah you know Daniel muted his mic for a second to wave over to the "Shit shit shit tell him to stop talking" 'moderator' lmao
"Mr Zilla" 🤣🤣
The "passion" thing is an obnoxious technique. It is an underhanded way of saying Coffee is being emotional and not logical about this while the CEO sounds, on the surface, like he is being polite.
Fr, it's especially funny since he's the one actually throwing out little digs through the whole thing and coffee doesn't rlly do that at all 💀
Right. He was just asking questions, I didn't see anything passionate about it. Coffee is taking this interview seriously, that's it. But that passionate compliment is backhanded.
It's a general was to talk in corporate, you can't say a colleague is emotional, you rather use corporate friendly words like passion, or "I appreciate your eagerness/tenacity" I agree it is obnoxious but that's corporate speak for ya, very very obnoxious
5:15 “You’re so beautiful when you’re angry”
@@nqobilengema2165 Love corpospeak so much, I could not have ever thought up of a language that's so completely devoid of personality or sincerity. It's the truest shade of grey. So many words that mean so little.
The moment a company locks up withdrawals, you're done
In summary"
"If you understood how it worked you wouldn't be asking such silly questions"
Coffeezilla: "Then explain to me how it works"
"I can't explain that without an NDA"
"Use laymans terms"
"Uh....Uh....uh..."
This guy makes me feel better about my life. It could always be worse. I could make a token
Their business model is that anyone who actually tries to cash out their rewards the way the service is advertised gets banned, and then the company uses the fees those people paid and the fees their users continue to pay in order to cash out rewards for the users who don't get greedy. In reality, users are only getting the 1%-2% cashback that is considered standard, and much of that is being paid for by the fees of people who get banned before they can cash anything out. If there aren't enough users getting banned, then the company won't be able to pay out the rewards for the main users.
So, there has to be a steady stream of people signing up, paying a bunch of fees, and then getting banned in order for the main userbase to get their rewards. And even then, there's no guarantee that the main users will be able to cash out enough rewards to break even with the high fees. What they are really getting is the illusion of having all these rewards, but the catch is that they aren't actually allowed to cash out more than whatever the company deems as reasonable. They will never actually be able to use the majority of the rewards they have earned, and so in practice, they are only getting a percentage of what is promised.
This was quite the ride, but if you want the short version:
A) There's still a huge ???? between buying in and cashing out. The closest they come to explaining the massive amounts of rewards they're offering is being able to buy rewards discounted.
B) They will heavily curate (limit) your experience to ensure their profit, which apparently seems to include simply banning you if you're not using their program the way they believe you should be, despite maintaining the conditions that give the impression you may do so.
C) They appreciate Coffee's passion.
D) Their calculator on the website is for fun and hypothetical.
E) They seem to allude to a future, mystery success that will give them more money to work with at one point.
F) Profit???
the second thing is the most interesting thing about this, where there's such a massive contradiction going on. ESPECIALLY in the context of a crypto-adjacent economy the only reason you set these teasers so sky-high is to attract people who feel like they can utilize it, but if you do utilize it in any way that presents a threat to their system you are akin to some MMORPG player using bugs to disrupt the game- a bad-faith exploiter. Rather than just fixing the bug, they display it prominently on their website and micromanage those who would use it
So theyre probably banking on that people are stupid enough to hand them money and they can then give them some sort of rewards if they feel like it.
Probably lookin to reward some so they can go around professing how good this thing is, doing their work for them.
Only thing now for these guys is to come up with an idea to get peoples money. They probably with this they get some, but probably not alot.
Like basic silicon valley style thing. The bussiness idea can be stupid you just have to convince VC investors to get loads of money
F) the grade for this project
I think C) is the most important.
"Great question"
"As I said"
"I love your passion."
"And there's a reason for that"
"If you really understood it..."
After five of those, I wanted to shout at him, "Bro, just answer the damn question." lol
They got get there value out of there $5000 but now only $1000 "How to be extreem, amazing, and own PR" course they bought online the other week.
"I love the passion." = "Don't you dare expose me."
I love how you smiled when he said "love the energy". You sir are a true skeptic.
Not suspicious at all that he frequently says in some form "thanks for asking the hard questions. I love your approach"....
"When you haven't done anything wrong, there's nothing to hide"......"Please sign these legal docs limiting the scope of discussion"
Bro did more jumping, rolling, and dipping than a dodge ball player. His answers were almost as understandable as a star sign.
I'll communicate the Oxford dictionary association the new definition for "interview" is answering any straight question with an unrelated word salad 😊
I'm 15 minutes in and so far the CEO's plan to remain profitable is to just print more tokens as they need them, he views them as monopoly money with his company operating as the monopoly game board, but for the same reasons why countries that continuously 'print' money wind up with ridiculous inflation and a severe devaluation of the labor force of that country. This is the exact reason why we have regulations and a centralization of currency within most countries. The only people who benefit from a lack of regulations are the people looking to do things the regulations would otherwise prevent them from doing anyway.
Dude thought he could get rich using the Paddy's Dollars scheme lmao
Bingo. If he just came out and said "yeah it's inflationary, the token won't be worth as many miles in the future", then I could respect his honesty. But he desperately does not want to admit this. The only possibilities are default or inflation.
Fast forward to 53:05 this part is wild 😂
Yeah, that mention at 13:00 was quite clear…😹
Someone should remind him, that this is, how SBF backed his exchange + Alameda…😹
That's always their solution. Print more tokens, but no one can use the tokens for anything.
In Bulgaria we have a saying - Talking too much, saying nothing.
in poland we call it "fucking shit" - pierdolisz gówno
Grandiloquence it's called.
In parts of america we call it "verbal diarrhea".
yappin
@@Swel_Remarkable Thanks, i just learned a new word, thou its to hard to remember, honestly :D
Jesus you got patience man! Bless you! I’d have ran out within the first 89 times you asked him the same question. Why is it always people with room temperature IQ that are trying to become scammers?
so basically this dude is making a ponzy scheme with some guard rails to make sure he can keep it going as long as possible before everything crashes down.
mayan or egyptian?
❤
Yep this was exactly my take on it. "The pyramid can't collapse if we force all users to only be able to pull out one brick at a time."
YES 😆😆😆
You said exactly what I was going to say. It is very much on that thin line which could be dangerous enough for an any investor.
The part where Coffeezilla tells him he came to speak passionate and not the way a moderator asked was the most formal and refined f**k off I've ever heard. Well said.
25:35
"You're striking me more as a troll than a journalist, that's why we want you to sign an NDA." No
The lawyer stepping in to attempt to stop the incriminating questions without saying that was the intention outright is hilarious.
timestamp?
@@exodiaexodus 25:15
It was impressive they had the balls to gaslight him like that, unless they thought it wasn’t obvious they were gaslighting. Of course either way it didn’t work, because it was absurd to ask a journalist with integrity to “just be nice” or whatever softball kid gloves “conversational” interview style they wanted. It was really embarrassing to listen to (but very entertaining).
With all that fumbling, it literally sounds like one of my last moment presentations in college
Seriously tho 😅
"We have investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent - how DARE you Question Our Methods!!!"
Loving it, keep it coming Coffee~
"Welcome back to the void, we're getting a little petty today..." is the best way any video can start :D
The gaslighting and stonewallingnare strong with this one 🙄
"Sign the NDA, Coffeezilla, so you can be complicit with our scheme' 😝
Join me Luke, i am your father aah
"Great question. I'm going to avoid answering it."
I was listening to this yesterday on X. You grilled him! it was hilarious listening to this CEO compliment you and your energy, and call you a hater in the exact same breath.
3k likes out of the 3.5k views. I think it's safe to say WE love the passion
Sadly, that model was unsustainable. But if you want access to the new model, you need to sign the NDA first.
John: Hi my name is John!
Zilla: Hi John!
John: Woah woah where did you get that name?
Zilla: You just said that's your name, also it says your name on this birth certificate you just showed.
John: That's not factual you are just making stuff up!
Is pretty much what I got from this interview lol
FUN FACT: they wanted to make the interview in Twitter because its almost impossible, without a lot of preparation, to hold anyone accountable with evidence (screenshot, articles, etc) or share any info properly on these Twitter spaces, limiting the dialogue to ¨just trust me¨ and thats hear say and ¨¨you dont have evidence¨ (at that moment).
They knew what what were doing.
Also if anyone tried to watch it, it'd crash
@@smalltime0 kinda like how if you tried to redeem anyth from plutus, it would crash.
Uhhm I do not think any prosecuter will need that Twitter evidance. They are posting their scam on their own website. 😆😆😆
@@Asgard-vdS Thats true, however there two problem with thinking like that is the end of the story. People dont see what a prosecutor is doing nor does the prosecutor sees what scammers do, unless properly called out by sadly, thousands of people, and the second problem is that even if a prosecutor sees it and takes actions that is still not rising awareness against the scam so in the mean time its still stealing people money. Which is why its super important to call it out as public as possible and instead of just say, meeh the prosecutor got it.
Unlike Coffezilla, who is a person that I used to like, but now he's a liar and scam artist. Voidzilla is a very passionate man, and I respect that very much
neinn
Had me there for a sec..
@@TikkiNikki same lolol
@@TikkiNikki "i used to like" should've been a dead giveaway
Why are you defining cofeezilla as a liar and a scammer? Has he intruded in the possible scams you have perpetrated?
dude dodging questions so hard i couldn't listen to him even talking for a minute. my brain shut off hard
I am sure this CEO was a big fan of your channel before the interview.
😂😂😂 But of course!
One step away from demanding all of the token supporters from flooding Voidzilla's e-mail in-box with infantile insults.
Two weeks from now he will upload a rage video calling coffee fudd and ignorant and a bad journalist/person.
a passionate fan
Yeah he obviously saw ALL of Coffee's content and totally knew how he works. Especially that NDA is something a sane person would send to Coffee. A man who doesn't even take donations. 😂😂😂
"its sustainable because it doesnt cost us money to issue rewards, we just print tokens. we make money because we charge a subscription fee. its one of a kind" - actually that sounds like a pretty common scam in the crypto space
Ah don't you see, Inflation is a conspiracy made up the shadow cabal that rules the world and there for does not exist. You know this is true because how else do you explain that my scam is worth it. Did I say scam? Euuh I mean awesome secret product that economist don't want you to know about offcourse.
8:35 - 'If you've got any f... economics experience'
Someone was going to say something nasty XD
I'm impressed with your ability to be patient and let him talk himself into a hole. I would have spent the entire hour and a half trying to get a clear answer to the first question.
Zilla: You are headed for a crash
Plutus: Thank you for the exposure
🤣😂
ROFL 😂 “To be honest this conversation really helps because anyone who is in this chat can understand we are trying to build something valuable” NOOOO Sir, you confused me way more than helped me.
Step 1: CZ asks a question.
Step 2: Other Guy gives an insincere compliment.
Step 3: Other Guy stammers out evasive word salad.
Step 4: Other Guy plays victim.
Step 5: CZ asks same question.
Step 6: Other Guy gives an insincere compliment.
Step 7: Other Guy stammers out evasive word salad.
Step 8: Other Guy plays victim.
Step 9: CZ asks same question.
Step 10: Other Guy gives an insincere compliment.
Step 11: Other Guy stammers out evasive word salad.
Step 12: Other Guy plays victim.
Step 13: CZ asks same question.
Step 14: Other Guy gives an insincere compliment.
Step 15: Other Guy stammers out evasive word salad.
Step 16: Other Guy plays victim.
Step 17: CZ asks same question.
Step 18: Other Guy gives an insincere compliment.
Step 19: Other Guy stammers out evasive word salad.
Step 20: Other Guy plays victim.
Repeat
Mate, those compliments were too much - the first five times I figured he was just nervous, but now I think he did some "master manipulator" course that recommended disarming with compliments.
thank you for sparing me so much time)
Do write a corporate executive strategy book.
@@mylex817 …and then stammering through bullshit like a goddamned Elon Musk talking doll.
@@mylex817I love the passion
Why do all ceos sound the same? Jesus. The stuttering, the deflecting, the lying and sales pitching.
It's because you don't hear from CEOs that actually run an up & up business that's profitable due to actual sale of products and services. Because that CEO is actually working. If a CEO is doing PR or damage control, that company is either losing money or looking for stock value rather than concrete commercial profits.
@@JK.Fraser You’re absolutely right! A product and its returns would speak for themselves. No legitimate CEO would HAVE to PR or stammer explain how their product worked. Total Scam!
Who would even touch this product or try to defend their personal investment in it? 🙄 It’s Dead on Arrival.
That's precisely what they are hired for - to make excuses, the more convincing it is, the better for the company.
Sadly this is proven to be a good business model in tech...lie out your ass to attract money until you get bought out
and then whoever bought you just tells more lies with a louder megaphone until they can sell it off
sometimes it ends with an actual product getting developed, but that's kind of irrelevant to the first links in the chain, who are just out to prove that "this story sells"
basically, monetizing gullibility/fomo which has been a marketing practice forever but really fine-tuned in the past decade or so to the point where it can be the primary focus of a company. Adding in crypto shitcoins which let you easily take money from random schmucks who want to gamble on your scheme just sweetens the pie even more.
Most companies that require a salesperson or a door knocker is either lying, overselling , or simply don’t care. It’s very important to always do your research. Don’t be a “yes” person and challenge them. Listen and understand. If it sounds to good, it is!
Just sell and leave guys, nothing said in this interview gives any confidence. But if you follow the subreddit you’ll know it’s potentially already too late to get out, people have already started to close their accounts with hundred if not thousands of pounds in PLU still in the account which is forfeited upon account closure. Get out while you can, if you can’t just leave anyway. If this isn’t a scam I don’t know what is. The CEO can’t answer any questions, such red flag.
lol, he says at around 16:00, that he wants to answer all the tough questions but doesn’t want to put his company in a situation that can’t be fixed. That’s essentially an admission that you can’t explain how this model works credibly. Which, obviously, but it’s funny that he even went that far.
I Love how Stephen immediately shut down the guy who interupted trying to "moderate"😂
Got a timestamp?
@@Jeren692425:15 is when the guy interrupted
@@Gandingas amazing
I was listening in the background and had to rewind to watch that part directly. I was thinking I missed some sort of visual aggression or something bc it sounded as calm as possible lmao they were FEELING the burn and regretting their decision to do this interview and taking normal questions as aggression because of that. They’re not even good scammers…
I don’t watch a ton of videos, but I’m just glad you called him by his name (I assume you use the correct name ) and didn’t call him “coffee” which seems so cringy.
I love Coffeezilla's looks at the screen while he is doing this interview.
He gave away the answer; the rewards cost them nothing, because they are worth nothing
Ah, even better; you are giving them money, and praying they let you use it. So imagine putting your money in a bank's checking account, and the bank then telling you how and what you can buy. This model is nothing new, it's the same as company mining towns, except the only revenue is from finding new victims
I just posted a similar comment then saw yours.... Great minds!
"I appreciate your passion. Here's another 5,000-word non-answer that's been written by Chat GPT."
Liars get so spicy when people make assumptions and don’t take them at their word. I can’t imagine why.
"You're making assumptions. Assumptions based on the shady information we have kind of provided and if you want to know more, you legally have to keep it a secret. Not that we're lying."
There isn't any sustainability. They don't offer anything to sell, that would make the money they need to give back to the investors. We need to teach this stuff in schools, because clearly people don't see "10x" and run like they should do.
big deal stock traders say 2% is the gold standard and what people should be striving for with getting a return.
IF a wolf of wall street is out there with their nose to the grindstone, TRYING to get 2% as a day job, plugging in 9-5 everyday.
And someone comes around, and says that you can turn a profit of x10, with no effort...RIP bozo
But "it doesn't cost [them] anything to issue rewards" lol why would they need to make money to hand money out /s
On a serious note, it's not education that's the issue, it's the way we allow bad actors to prey on vulnerable people. Regulators need to step in and put the fear of law into them. We also need to pay people sustainable, living wages so they don't need to 10x their money to do more than just survive.
@@theBestElliephant Absolutely
That’s such a good point. I’m so glad Coffee is here to educate us, but you’re right-this should be a mandatory class for high school seniors. We are far too hyper-capitalist for that to happen tho
@@Spoopball What are you talking about? 2% gold standard? For what, return on savings? The Fed is literally paying 5% interest on reserves which are base money like cash. You can buy Treasuries that pay that or simply a savings account.
It is painful to listen to this scammer trying to prove it is not a scam
When their argument is "Is very technical and advanced, I'd love to show it to you.." you know it's a scam
Coffee, in all these years I've never told you that I love your passion!
That said, you still have to improve on your presumptiousness.
@@StambeccoAllaFragola But be very passionate about it.
If they want to create a sustainable income for the rewards, create a subscription service where Daniel gets asked simple questions, and her drones on beating around the bush for an hour to use as white noise for sleeping. It is literally what this has been for me through the whole interview: white noise with Coffee breaking it up once in a whileXD.
What I took from all that garbage is “we can’t 10x your money rn. We don’t have the system for it. But if we over promise and enough people fall for it. Then we can 10x SOME people’s money”
Forgot to add that I love the passion
I want to hear this CEO explain what a ponzi scheme is, just to see if anything clicks
@knetknight19 wrong.
They definetely can 10X your amount of PLU, you won't be able to use those PLU to cash them out, and their value will definetely crash at least X10 (from 1$ to 0.10$), so 1plu at the start = 10plu at the end
The CEO is really moved by Coffee's passion for asking simple questions.
That they can't answer
@@enchanted_blue9807 yet, he does understand where he's coming from
That s the most diluted answers i ve ever heard.
I love how when you got to your point about how they make money he starts getting all tongue tied and nervous and starts pointing out negative situations.
he was tongue twisting and hyper talking from the beginning, not a good sign of clear conscience. From the first few sentences i knew that guy aint good.
"If you really understood it..." Make me understand!
Sorry you need to sign an NDA for that
I really liked the card. The whole thing started to crumble badly when the CEO started publicly attacking users who just voiced concerns about the bad changes. Changes that were clearly too extreme and one-sided. He actually talked about users getting "free candy" while they were paying subscriptions. Even if the system could have been saved, the CEO just kept/keeps destroying their credibility. Main reason I decided to sell.
Coffee: How do you make money?
CEO: Great question! Have you ever had a dream where you... you would... you have... you could.... you would...
😂
Love the passion
1 hour of voidzilla exposing frauds is what i need this morning while doing chores
I should be cutting my grass! Lol
@ throw some headphones on!
"Love the energy, love the passion" should go on a t-shirt.
CEO: "I'm very happy" -Coffee: "Answer the damn question"
😂
"Explain how you make money"
"We rebuilt the platform after making it unsustainable"
"By making it even more unsustainable. Hoping two negatives somehow make a positive"
You went goblin mode I really appreciate this video guy, good job
CEO Continuously admits the product he sells has no value. . .
Yes! Clearly 19:42 value is but an illusion of worth to the very specific hypothetical buyer that will never sell or redeem.