Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 - SPROCKET SWAP - 16 Teeth
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- On todays video we swap the sprocket on the silver foxes Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. The standard sprocket has 15 teeth and he has decided to add a tooth and go to a 16 teeth sprocket. Why you may ask....so did I. Well the aim is for easier cruising.... but does that come at a cost?
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Just watched that for the fun of the interchanges between you two. The "how to" was of course, perfect, and Mr Dorman makes a lovely assistant.. "That's tight enough" works for me!!
Thank you! It’s much better filming with more than one, if I’m on my own I end up making a mess of the filming and or work!
Agreed, they are a good pair. They remind me of " Laurel & Hardy " but without the dangerous workmanship and pain. " Hey! "
@@clutchpedalreturnsprg7710 - Ahaha, thanks!
I have ridden on the 16 tooth for a while now and love it so much, I wanted more.
I just switched to a 17 tooth front end down a couple in the rear.
16 tooth on front with stock rear would get me 80mph at 5k rpm.
Now, Im at 90mph at 5k rpm.
Certainly a slight drop in torque, but I also installed a Booster Plug to help compensate.
For how I ride, I'm happy.
Ever the iconoclast, I went to the 14T sprocket, as I'm dragging a sidecar. I just checked in to you great channel to find if there would be any items I'd forgotten before starting the job. Thanks for the video. Time well spent. BTW, ordered from Hitchcock's and it arrived in four days here in New York (USA).
I’ll be honest… had to Google Iconoclast 🤣. Good word though, think I’ll be nicking that one.
Great service from Hitchcocks that isn’t it! Thanks for watching
The one thing I have never done in my motorcycling career is piloting a bike with a chair attached. A weird chimera but has a odd allure...... 🤔
Think a 14T might work well for you.
Thanks for your comments. 😎
Just 'discovered' this channel. Great stuff. Like the approach. Think my Interceptor might get this 16t mod soon.
4000rpm is 62mph indicated at present.
I have found due to a decent torque spread the top two gears got me lost. Hooking for a sixth when already there or cruising in fifth. Only a close look at the tacho gave things away as 250-300 rpm difference !!!! Best mods on mine so far? GiPro digital gear indicator and AEW102 exhausts.
Keep up the tech chats please!!!!!
So pleased you enjoyed the video. We both try always to use a common sense approach to motorcycle maintenance and modification. The 16T sprocket is definitely worth trying. At the cost of a sprocket if your not charmed you can always back to standard. 😎
I’ve found the same, not much difference between the top two togs, but I don’t want to go any higher on the first personally.
Glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching!
@@DormanDiaries I have ordered the 16T sprocket (thanks to your information) from Hitchcocks today. Just under 30 quid delivered to UK.
Cheers !!!!
As always a good, informative and entertaining video. Cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
I wonder if a 150 rear tire raises the ratio as much.
I love these videos - you make a good pair. More please! Ps. I have the 16T cog waiting to be fitted, if only I had a helper ;-)
Thank you Vishal,
We shall try!
Great to hear from you Vishal, so pleased you enjoyed the double act. Good to have company even if they spend most of the time just taking the Michael.
Let me know how you go on with the 16T, I think it will be great on the Autobahn and trips across Europe. 😎
Just changed mine , like it alot smoother more relaxed ride .
BUT
I saw some video saying "up to" 400 rpm difference at 100kmh ...
ITS AS YOU SAY ABOUT 250rpm at 100kmh
and can say it's better for it a thumbs up 👍MAYBE 300rpm
Thanks Chris, nice to get more independent views on it.
First I've heard about going up a tooth, everyone with an inty i know has gone through 14t for nippier acceleration
I'm running 5000rpm at 75mph think I might try this to bring the rpm down.
Would like to see how he's fitted that tripper ! ......Those bullet ends would be great in stainless !
Will have to get him back to do a vid! Don’t think he likes doing stainless because it’s hard on the tools.
The Tripper is from Tim Heasman at Caffeine Racer. He does a complete kit with the Tripper, mounting plate and harness. Tim is s realy nice guy and worth checking out.
@@2WHEELSor2WINGS I've just messaged him to find out when he's got them back in stock ! Thanks !
Been having a think about what you said Moog, I might make some "Shrouded Lock Nuts" (Bullets) in aluminium. Lighter than brass or stainless.
Just ordered some 6061 hexagon bar, so watch this space. 😎
@@2WHEELSor2WINGS works for me ! 👌
Great video. Where did you get the small gold center part where you manually turn the engine? Crank case cover
Hi Matthew, see Grahams facebook RE Brass Bling. He makes the parts himself. Or email him at rebrassbling@gmail.com
Thanks for watching!
Great video. Has anyone tried a 17 tooth sprocket? Would that be to tall in 1st gear?
Try a 14 tooth sprocket instead. Much more fun. The bike accelerates beautifully
Does the tooth swap effect your speedometer or how the bike records miles travelled at all?
It's fine for the intended job but the rubber damper is pointless and I don't think they fixed it. It's to far to touch the chain to dampen it's noise so it's a bit louder than the original sprocket and it drove me nuts.
Great vid! Have to ask. Where did you get the round gold cover that goes in middle of the casing? Really want that for my Royal as it would go well with the theme of my bike.
Thanks Ab3po - SilverFox makes em and a few other bits like filler plug etc.
His Email - rebrassbling@gmail.com
Glad you enjoyed the video.
Thank you for your kind words about my Crankcase Plug.
I make all these brass things myself, see my Facebook page
"RE Brass Bling. " 😎
And he'll brush his teeth with it before bed! :)
Want my gt to pull with 3gear but to stay in that the engine wanting more rev so what should i do add more teeth or reduce tooth im still in stock and i will ve riding in city traffic help guys?
Is that a Royal Enfield Tripper on your INT650? If yes did it come factory or did you add it?
It is a Tripper and I installed it myself.
A nice chap Tim from Caffeine Racer helped with the wiring. He does a full kit now. Raju Lax who is a very good supplier from India sold me the actual Tripper unit. 😎
@@2WHEELSor2WINGS Thank you for the reply. I have a TomTom Rider 550. Have you ridden with that & if yes how would you compare the two.
@@MeAndMyRoyalEnfield . The Tripper is a totally different animal to a std type Sat Nav. It doesn't show you the road at all. What it shows is the direction of turn and its distance. More pictorial than representative.
As a navigation device it is inferior to the Tom Tom type. But I find it much less distracting for one thing and a far neater and tidier solution.
It all depends on what you are looking for, " horses for courses".
Lots will love it, many will decry it.
Pay your money and make your choice........ 😎
@@2WHEELSor2WINGS Thank you very much!
I've just fitted an asjot front sprocket that has a flat side and a recessed side! I figured if the flat side was supposed to go engine side both sides would be flat so put the recessed side engine facing anybody got any ideas ?
Lovely! do the 16 teeth bring down the top speed?
They should increase it… assuming there is enough power!
Good work! Sprocket was set to FT by my standards.
Ahahaha FT always a good scientific reference point
Yes Buaan, I first did this job 44 years ago in 1978. Experience and practice can count for a lot, and I haven't had one come loose yet.
Many garages you will find don't use a torque wrench, or if they do they will never have been calibrated.
I do own 2 torque wrenches but for most things I use my calibrated elbow. 😎
Hi, heard that by changing to 16T the torque gradually decreases.. is it?? Can anyone share their views?? Thanks in advance! Cheers !
The engines torque of course is unaltered. But 1st gear has more torque than 6th. So in the same way by slightly up gearing the bike the torque at the rear wheel is very slightly altered. The bikes character is unchanged, this is more of a tweak than a change.
But not quite sure what you mean by "gradually decreases"?
The torque decrease in every gear.
😎
When I think my bikes clean, then I see the silver foxes.... 😔
We decided his was a princess and it’s already named Esmeralda and mines the beast and in desperate need of a clean!
I live in the mountains in North Carolina, US and the roads are chock full of hairpin turns. I did the swap last year and it made a major difference. I do a lot less shifting, can stay in 3rd gear most of the time.
I read many years ago, that going to a bigger counter sprocket increases the radius and makes it easier for the chain to make the bend around the sprocket.
I've done it on KLRS and it did help make it easier to cruise at 70 mph. I will try it on my RE INTERCEPTOR.
Great video. I'm about to do the same later this morning, but I'm putting on a 14 tooth.
how did it go, bro?
I am thinking about 14 too
Great, way better off the line and in lower gears. No issue maintaining 70+ either.@@thesundayrides
@@keithstewart1979 could please share a link to buy it? Thanks in advance
I have reduced my rear wheel from 18 to 17 inch rims. Would you recommend i upgrade the sprocket from 15T to 16T?
Nice friendly video guys! Subscribed! 👍🏻
Hey guys
my int 650 has a weird chain brushing kindoff noise when its on 1-2 gear its makes noise and feels like its touching the siwngarm or something and fyi i just serviced my bike at the showeroom under 3rd service
yo estoy por hacer el cambio al sprocket de 16 dientes , mi pregunta es mi moto velocidad final alcanza los 170 km por hora cuanto es lo que ganaria en velocidad final con el sprocket de 16 dientes ? y que tan lenta se vuelve en el despegue de la moto en ceros
Did mine a few months ago, great modification, motor pulls fine , 😀
Seems a universal thumbs up so far!
@@DormanDiaries it makes for a very lazy top gear , cant fault the upgrade, 70 is easily achieved and 80 plus MPG , , good to see you back on YT
@@tonymartin3780 thanks Tony, I’ve been getting the latter comment a lot, been doing the vids just nobody watching lol. Check out the back catalogue. Cheers 🍻
There's really no need to loosen the chain adjustments, loosen the axle and push the wheel forward.
Just did this myself a few weeks ago and am really pleased with the change. The rev's are a bit lower on the higher speeds and that gives a really relaxed ride overall. I do some short bits of highway for work, and it helps on higher speeds to make it a bit more relaxed. Also, when braking on the engine it feels less dramatic/jumpy, a bit smoother. For the money, it's a nice thing to try. :-)
PS: I also can recommend the YSS suspension upgrade on front and back, makes a world of difference in handling on highway and turns!
Thanks Richard,
I’m increasingly coming around to the idea of changing the rear shocks, every time it kicks me up the butt. I’m pretty happy with the fronts at the mo
Did you happen to notice that the moulded rubber dampener on the 16 is actually useless at it does not contact the chain?
I can’t imagine they make a world of difference in any event. I can’t hear owt for’t pipes !! Cheers
4:44 contasse a metade do pinhao e multiplica por 2 kkkkkkkk
trocar o pinhao e não trocar a corrente e a coroa ééééé´ gambiarrrrrrraaaaaa !!!
Good vid..but those cans 🙈 they off a R6 :(
VFR850, "V Power" silencers.
I put them on as a experiment as I had them lying around in stock and never expected to leave them on. However they perform extremely well. They are a stone lighter than the originals and make a beautiful deep sound.
I do realise they are not to everyone's taste, but they have definitely and unexpectedly grown on me, and they are staying. 😎
@@2WHEELSor2WINGS Well there's yours's and if you like them cool
Lovely when a job goes smoothly!
Mine rarely do!!!
Nice to see you back again,!
How much grunting was edited out while trying to get the sprocket off and the new one on? Was it tough either way? Getting it off or on?
Off was easy, on was a bit of wriggling and grunting but wasn’t bad either way
@@DormanDiaries Thank you! Going to try this today and this will help immensely. If the grunts get too loud, I'll know something is probably amiss. Thanks again. Your videos are incredibly helpful. +1 on the Silver Fox and his know how.
What part of the UK are you lads from?
We are both Yorkshire lads and we live just a couple of villages apart. 😎
hi, is that nice looking brass inspection plug in the casing something he made for himself? looks tidy
Thank you Rover. Yes I make all my brass parts myself.
See my Facebook page RE Brass Bling. To view my other parts. 😎
Thanks for the info
Hi Mr D. I'd be interested in Mr C's review of this in due course. A constant 60mpg from my Interceptor, while my nephew reports 90mpg (??) from his Honda CB 500F with the same claimed power output (but lower torque) makes the RE seem rather thirsty.
Hi Baz, I doubt the RE would ever match the Honda. It’s water cooled, has lightweight cast alloy wheels, lighter overall and a smaller displacement. I’ve yet to measure my mpg but I’d be quite happy with 60mpg! I’ll see if gets chance to work it out sometime with the new sprocket. Cheers
I don't get it, my int650 gets a solid 31kpl. Which is about 88miles per imperial gallon. How can there be such a discrepancy?
my 21 interceptor 68mpg minimum, 77 mpg maximum.
Hi great video ,what is the third clock above the speedo/rev counter? looks great what ever it is ,am looking to find out if i can get a smaller rear sprocket may be 2 or 3 teeth less cheers from New Zealand JK
Hi John, so pleased you enjoyed the video.
The third clock is the "Royal Enfield Tripper". It is (or has been) standard on some of the 350 models. It is a interface for a RE navigation app that runs on your phone. It gives very simple and easy to follow pictorial directions. When not in use it displays as a clock. Extremely useful bit of kit.
Cheaper to change the front than rear sprocket ?? 🤔 😎
@@2WHEELSor2WINGS Hi Graham iv done the front sprocket and put in a DNA filter. but with some of our long straights here, would be nice to drop the revs another 200/300 and being a 6 speed 1st is very low ,so still easy take off ,cheers for the reply JK
@@johnkenure4188. Hmmm, that will be interesting, let us know how that works out. Would be nice to have some straight long enough (with no speed cameras) to really open her up on !!! 😎
@@johnkenure4188 - I can testify to some of those long straights. Remember getting a burnt neck riding along a seemingly endless one! You’ve got some cracking twisties too though and some great gravel roads for getting away from it
Good to see entire process.
I love these videos on Royal Enfield motorcycles. They help me learn English!
Μόνο οι μορφωμένοι είναι ελεύθεροι
But I'm dubious however with our accents we two are the best teachers of the spoken word.😎
Don’t learn English from me! I barely passed the English exams!
This cog Sprocket should be Torqued up to 145 newton metres
According to Hitchcocks,
I did this myself,
You have tightened it dangerously low,
I have done this to my Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor.
And it makes a lot of difference 😊
Nice to see Mr Chadwick again, I did this to my Interceptor last year and I do think it's a good improvement . I used to cruise at 60mph at 4000 rpm now it drops to 3500 to 3600 which is nice. Just going around town I can stay in a gear one lower than before. I get about 15 -20 more miles to the tank as well.
Well I’d say that is certainly a good testimony for the job. I’m still pondering it!
@@DormanDiaries Awe go ahead you can always put it back if it's not for you but I betting you'll keep it..😊
Always great to hear from you and see pictures of your fabulous machine. That bike of yours is one of the best looking 650s out there, especially now with the new tank and lettering. 😎
Did the same and enjoy the longer pull between shift points,the bike now gives relaxed cruising.
Have you found any downsides?
No downsides at all,even added a 150 rear tire which lowered the rpm a little more.The engine pulls no problem.
@@kf-kr4tt Sweet, might have to give it go!
Just a quick question, what exhaust system is the silver fox using, I'm loving the can's.🇬🇧🏍👍
Please make video on installation of tripper navigation unit on INT650.
Just in time! I'm doing mine this weekend!!
Let me know how you go on and thoughts when ridden. Also interested in how much torque you choose!
I have done this mod, and Hitchcocks recommend 145 newton metres, not "That's tight enough"?
It's too important a nut?
It was very tight to torque up,
But I personally feel it's always best to go with what is recommended,
Cheers Paul Foster
Thanks Paul, I wanted to hear peoples opinion on this. Did you use a tool when tightening or did you do the same as us? The one on G’s bike must never have been done up to spec from factory as the gun just wound it off no problem. I’m having a guess it wasn’t even 40ft lbs. It’s an old gun and it doesn’t remove the landy wheel nuts anymore which are around 90 ft lbs from memory.
@@DormanDiaries
I did more or less what you did to get the nut off,
But to put the 16 tooth cog on I got my son Harry to sit on the bike (off the stand), and I put a brick behind the back wheel, whilst he held the brakes on, and I torqued the nut up to 145 newton metres, then proceeded to a line the back up again,
I got the idea off a chap I was talking to at Squires Café Yorkshire, who owned a 650 Continental,
I had this done once to an old 2008 350 Bullet to get it to keep up with traffic at 60mph instead of being 55mph they weren't very fast, not like the new 350 Classic,
That old Bullet used to struggle up hills a bit though,
But I have to say,
My 650 Interceptor is absolutely brilliant, and solo riding a good, up steep hills as well,
I've had 105 mph out of it (for the record not on the Queens Highway), and it was still pulling, but it was time to shut off lol 😂
Cheers Paul Foster
@@paulfoster5432 great stuff, I will have to seriously consider it. Got a decent trip coming up to Ireland soon I’ll keep it as is for that and then maybe change so I’ve got a good long comparison to make some mental notes on. Might be an interesting one for the new classic too. Need to get my leg over one of them!
Excellent, my plan is to maybe next year now get a 350 Classic as a second bike, as I've just sold my other second bike which was a Honda Hornet 600FS a few days ago, I just love my Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor,
Cheers Paul Foster
Two up, with luggage, around the Picos soon. 16 sounds great for motorway (zzzz) but I'm sticking with the big 15. 😂
Yeah, you're hilarious! Good info as well! Thanks for the videos.
Is it a good conversion to change foot pegs from interceptor to GT type.
So to confirm, there is not reduction in acceleration with this modification?
The key to remove the gear lever is 8mm?
Update ! Fitted the 16t sprocket to my Interceptor. Reset the GiPro gear change indicator.
Woweeeee. Love this mod. The 61-62mph at 4k is now 67-68 indicated. Bike feels no difference except 'picking it up' in a tight U turn needed more throttle. It is still smooth, civilised and 'grunty'.
Thanks lads. Really pleased.
Awesome, thanks for the feedback!
I too am a Dorman & I approve all of this.
Is that yet, another Interceptor or did he just replace the orange tank?
I really like the exhaust system as well and what happened to the YSS piggy back shocks?
Love both of your channels!
I have 3 bikes, myself and thinking about buying a fourth.....my old lady thinks I'm crazy.
Hans
Oh hahahah, I think we have a case of mistaken identity!! I don't think this bearded wonder is the one you think.
Keep buying the bikes, can never have too many! I rarely go a day without browsing! Only thing is I have 2 and Kj has 3!!!
@@DormanDiaries . Never had YSS shocks on this bike, although many do and are very happy with them. Mine are Nitron rear shocks, a bit on the expensive side but they are a bit special and worth every penny. Made in the UK too.
It is a Interceptor Silver Spector but with GT650 pegs and controls, fits me perfectly now. 😎
@@DormanDiaries I thought so, but wasn't sure.
I've heard him referred to as the Silver Fox also, and he too, wears a similar bracelet!
Hans
@@hansoor8719 . It is easy to tell us apart, I am the young handsome one. 😎 🤣
@@2WHEELSor2WINGS 😄👍
Nice video! I changed mine six months ago and would never go back to the 15 tooth sprocket.. it suits my style of riding fine. It for me is a game changer, especially on fast A roads and motorways.. holds a decent speed at a more relaxed engine speed. The only downside I think is when you are caught in very slow stop start traffic and can't filter.. 1st gear is taller and now you can't crawl along slowly with without feathering the clutch more. Haven't been long distance touring with the 16 tooth but I suspect the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.. if not then it's an easy fix.
Thank you Clause,
Perhaps the 16T is not one for commuters / city riders then.
Don't get it. I think 1st is too high on this bike already. But a 14t sprocket if available would probably reduce it too much. Probably better to add a tooth or two on the rear.
I suppose it all depends on how you ride, I did comment on your concern at the end of the video, after the short test ride.
Mine breaths a bit easier with the intake and exhaust modifications.
This unstrangled state liberates a few more horses. So it pulls a bit better than standard and copes fine with first, but gains a more relaxed rev range for cruising at 60, 70, 80...........
Hi there, did you have to use a longer chain or did you use the stock chain when you did this installation? It looks beautiful in golden colour.
Stock chain length works just fine with the 16T. Considering the tractor-like nature of the 650 engine....taller gearing is absolutely the way to go. Even when hopped up with pipes and cam....it pulls the taller gearing very nicely.
@@recoilrob324 that's awesome to hear! Thank you for replying 🙏
What is that third gauge cluster pod that you have?
Sat nav
Please does it lower acceleration really ??
As I think I'd like to get one . ??
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The Man says 250rpm difference , other reports are 400 - ?
It makes very little difference if any to acceleration, he is having a laugh. I had literally only ridden from one village to the next so 250rpm was not scientific but only a approximation as there were no long straights, probably more like 300rpm. 😎
@@2WHEELSor2WINGS Thankyou much appreciated
@@2WHEELSor2WINGS why did you say , he is having a laugh , what did you mean by that ?
Hi Chris, he means my little comment at the start of the video. I was only joking 🙃
Good vid. At first I thought "surely not with his scrambler" but it all became clear. Mine has a 16t on and I can't see me changing back, my 650 has free flowing downpipes and filter (Stratos) and Classic bike shop silencers with a PC5 mapped accordingly. 6 speeds on this bike was too many for me 456 being too close, with the extra tooth it makes more sense.
Thanks GreenTrumpet, the 16T certainly seems to get a glowing response.
Can you do another video with a 14 tooth sprocket to tell us about those changes to the bike???
I don't think I'd want to drop a tooth, acceleration wise I am happy. I need to have a go on his bike back to back to feel the difference.
@@DormanDiaries can you shoot us a new top speed video? We want to see how much change you now have over the ton.
I'd like to see a 14T sprocket video.I live in NZ & maximum speed is 100kmh everywhere & I ride with Harley Davidson alot & can keep up but at intersections they put 20meters on me but I catch up quickly.Also when following Harley's into corners & twisties they slow into corners & fast out.First time I rode with them they I had to brake hard they that slow into corner compared to lighter & more nimble Interceptor but they fast out & put 20meters on me.
When I in front on twisty stuff I gap them but I did notice they don't like it if I pass them.I only got S&S race only slip on's & was thinking big bore 2-2 headers for low - mid range performance & a extra 5hp might help with that.A 14t be a cheaper mod & be stealth & in NZ we very rarely go over 140kmh lose your license instantly for 28days if you caught then it's a Court appearance & fine & further penalties.All very strict, our A roads should be faster at least 110,115kmh.
@@ruahinesrider - I don’t think I paid too much attention to the limit when riding the South Island. That said I was probably going super slow admiring the incredible landscape at every turn!! I’m happy at the mo with the 15. I may have to look into both 14 and 16 in the interest of pleasing you viewers however!
@@ruahinesrider I don’t think 14 would be the go. A lot of people like the 16 but my view is that the stock gearing is perfect. This is not a very powerful motorcycle so can’t easily handle taller gearing. It makes some sense if you spend a lot of time cruising at higher speeds ie 110km/h plus. 4,000rpm at 100km/h from stock gearing gives a nice roll on performance in sixth as well as not too much clutch slip moving off. For brisk riding the secret is being smooth and maintaining momentum so use higher gears, don’t brake much and roll off and roll back on the lower early. Don’t forget that if you fit wider rear tyres in the future as many do that will automatically increase the gearing a bit. Everyone is different but that is what works for me. I enjoy riding the Enfield as much as my 150hp Ducati despite the night and day performance differences.
What was your thought behind doing this mod? Just curious!!!
I know quite a few people that have done this and really like the feel of cruising at lower revs on the motorway or long fast A roads. It should also help fuel economy.
Possible downsides are a taller first gear and slightly reduced acceleration.
It's not a large change so more riding is necessary for me to mske a proper evaluation. 😎
Installed the 16-tooth sprocket last year and not likely to go back either. The only way to reach the country twisties from Brooklyn is via the expressway where the longer gears really shine. I haven’t noticed any lack of torque at the low end either.
I know a guy in New Jersey with a blue Int 650 said HE hasn't seen any R.E on the road except the odd Himalayan & Int at bike show.
The only downside I can think of for me is my tyre is very close to the swingarm with the knobblies and without a longer chain I’d struggle I reckon. Certainly seems a super popular mod though!
Nice video
Thank you Meena 😘
what exhaust are those