⚜ | The He-100 - Germany's Lost Wunderwaffe ?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Let's have a look at the He-100. Many say it could have easily replaced the Bf109, but is this truly so?
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My father had an aircraft identification book printed in the UK at the start of the war. It contains the He-100.
I’ve got that book too, or one like it. The Germans convinced the British that the He100 was in large scale service. They painted them with various unit markings and leaked the photos.
Three way valves
I checked in my 1940 roof watchers' guide to German aircraft but it only has the fighter versions the He 112 and 113.
@@johnjephcote7636 He 113 is the same as He 100
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In war thunder, this thing leaks coolant after being hit by a pebble, so at least they got that right.
Good to know Gaijin does get it right from time to time :)
Epicbobo1 when you load tracers and go into arcade battles
Although the variant they have in game should have a centralised cooling system not a surface cooling system, and it should have a 20mm cannon in the nose.
So gaijin got it wrong imo
@BlackDeathViral03 Well if you are fliying that He and getting shot by it's tier mates you are doing something wrong considering that thing is a bullet.
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Who needs millions of dollars to do a documentary.
Not many people when there's multibillion dollar companies letting you use what they bought.
the people who originally dive through archives to get the footage these vids are made from...
Just get some fair use antique footage and a mic! :)
A Hollywood director would need at least a million just to cater the documentary
No thanks .
excellent!
holy shit i thought this was your channel
Joa, danke! Sah ja Streckenweise so aus, als ob das dieses Jahr nichts mehr wird ;) Umsobesser der Erfolg.
It's not?
Are you guys different people?!?!?!
Bismark and MHV
Keep it up!
The 100 is a beautiful airplane, but looks only get you so far, you did very well in explaining it's weaknesses against other aircraft at the time in particular other German aircraft.
I felt like I was watching a history documentary, keep up the good work!
Weird this plane never made it.....
Schwanzel Stock Too complicated to make I guess
better than history channel "documentaries" like Pawn Stars... that's for sure^^
Except the bad english.
I have to disagree also... can't really find anything wrong with the English....
Excellent video. The evaporative cooling had been tried before - the Supermarine 224 / Goshawk of around 1934 used it and some lessons were learned by Mitchell which fed into the spitfire design. Evaporative cooling seems to have been something that excited designers but was in itself a dead end in a warplane.
But would it cool a GTX 1080 oc ?
K'nextreme Productions >solder raspberry pi to motherboard
>Nvidia integrated graphics
Massimo O'Kissed I have no problems with my gtx 1080 armor oc... What are you talking about?
Daniel DeLeon Ok, thanks for the tip
If it went fast enough probably ya
And still do so after being riddled with bullet holes?
Maybe an idea for a future video can be the advantages and disadvantages of radial engines and inline engines? I feel like a lot of people would appreciate some clarification in that area.
Also that radiator idea is absolutely genius even if it isn't practical. Classic German engineering! :)
Yes, it is planned :)
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Mustang. That's actually the real reason it was so fast. In a sense, I suppose the spirit of the He-100 lived on
@Brian Foote To vulnerable, many more parts and higher maintenance.
Evaporative cooling for inline engines had been tried many times during the 20th century, usually in aircraft produced as record breakers, possibly most notably the Schneider Trophy racers of the late '20s and early '30s, eg. Supermarine S6, or Macchi MC 72. These systems did reduce drag, and did work in the very limited environment for which they were designed ie. short operating time, not subject to attack by enemy aircraft, etc. They would have been totally unsuited to combat conditions, and a maintenance nightmare.
I decided to give you oak leaves with the Iron Cross
Thank you very much o7
Pff, I gave him an Iron Cross with Diamonds AND oak leaves. Lift your game, m8
I'm giving him the Iron Cross with swords and Diamonds Jacks and Aces with some Kings. What the deuce?
Fear the notion ah shit ya got me
Mike Tauppermann with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
Not only a informative but well made. The History Channel could learn a lot from you...like...for instance....how not not make their videos dumbed-down and boring long winded andddddd ... saying stuff in 8:30 instead of 45 minutes. great job THANKS!
Danke :)
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Thanks for that comment. He he, exp. part three . . .
DataWaveTaGo - You forgot Part 5 - Did aliens help Heinkel with the development of the He-100?
US documentaries suck anyways. Not hard to do better than History Channel quality...
That cooling system is very interesting! You never see much about this plane, an intriguing little gem.
I will bet they never lost one of these due to wing Icing.
lol
1:53 Notice the single landing gear, which, although slightly tricky to use during take off and landing, gave the plane a critical advantage in weight and drag, reducing weight by approximately 30kg and thus increasing acceleration by 3415% and top speed by 856mph. True story, I saw it on the History Channel.
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3:30 "Before we turn our attention to the actual plane design.... let me introduce our new sponsor, Raid: Shadow legends." :D
Excellent video - again. From the sources I've read, it was superior in all aspects to the ME109. The HE100 v8 version removed the experimental radiator for more conventional one and still showed excellent characteristics. Its range was also superior to the ME109 and used fewer parts. It's a pity/lucky it wasn't produced at the time of the original completion to realise its true potential.
Superior in all aspects to the 109. Right up until the moment it takes a burst of mg fire.....
@@darrenjpeters The comment addressed that, the V8 prototype removed the experimental radiator for a conventional one, which would have the same level of durability as the coolant radiator on the 109 - and the V8 still displayed excellent performance.
It means Hitler snd his cronies were complete morons picking that crap bucket 109....narrow landing gear etc,I read an aces account of the 109 and he had a furious name for it...The Germans had engineering that politics got totally in the way of...such as the Panther tank.
I've never heard of this airplane. Thanks for the information. Very well presented.
Excellent video - done with integrity and apparently well researched, best results of any endeavor always acquired by the love one has for the work that goes into it, soberly objective ... Thanks again Bismark!
"Come, Heinkel, show us the meaning of haste"
Finally, an explanation of the German evaporative cooling system that I can understand!
This was very well done, I learned a lot about an obscure aircraft. This also help give insight into not just the research and development of a single aircraft, but advancement in aviation of an nation as a whole. I really hope you make other videos about obscure aircraft of all nations that give the same insight like this one has.
This is an excellent analysis! Too may people have one or another "romantic" bias towards anything WW2, but this simply looks at logical facts. Well done! Das ist eine erstklassige Analyse! Zu viele Leute haben eine "romantische" Voreinstellung zu allem was mit WK2 zu tun hat, aber das hier ist einfach ein auf logischen Fakten basierender Blick. Gute Arbeit!
by your brief description, the cooling system of the he-100 seems much like the cooling system of a refrigerator.
Thats needed cause you cannot pump steam!
@@cyphi474 Other than boiling point it is exactly the same as a refrigerator.
Power stations do not turn water into steam over an orifice - it is released at the liquid surface of the steam generator by venting bubbles. Anything else produces pressure drops and pressure drops are lost energy. You want all the pressure to be dropped over the turbine.
@@karlhubben8009 tell that to a steam engine
Ask yourself : Why do you need a cooling tower in a steamturbine driven powerplant? It would be much better to take the depressurised steam directly back to the kettle to overheat it again, so you could save a lot of energy .... or not? It's the same circular process named Clausius Rankine process in both, the steam engine and the steam turbine! Check it and find the answer how to move steam.....
The radiator concept was inspired by the Italians and their Schneider trophy entry.
The he 100 is probably one of my favorite low tier planes in war thunder
Very good video Chris, I always liked the He-100, it was sleek and fast, where as the Bf-109 was not as sleek and fast, but it was the great War Bird.
this is an amazing video, thx for the clear explanation!
Thank you and you're welcome :)
Bismarck I had expected a three-language response from our mighty Hydra overlord! I'm disappointed Bismarck, back in the stable again with you! XD
The He-100 with surface evaporation cooling system was an amazingly fast aircraft, but not suited for a fighter aircraft because of its extreme vulnerability to any kind of battle damage.
However, that version of the He-100 would have made an excellent high speed photo reconnaissance aircraft, like the British PR Spitfires. In that role, its job would be to avoid combat, especially since it would be completely unarmed, carrying extra fuel in the wings instead of guns and ammunition.
The Luftwaffe really needed a high speed photo reconnaissance aircraft during the Battle of Britain, for low level work especially. The old photo recon Dornier Do 17’s were just too slow and vulnerable. And the ultra high altitude Junkers Ju 86R was very difficult to intercept, but the extreme altitude (36,000+ feet) made for low detail photos, even with huge cameras - you could tell the difference between a single engined and a twin engined aircraft from that altitude, but you couldn’t tell the difference between a Hawker Hurricane fighter and a Fairey Battle target tug. Often the Luftwaffe ended up bombing British airfields that didn’t have fighter aircraft!
He 100 was and still is one of my favourite German Aircraft I have in War Thunder
For you Bis, your own Medal - The Order of Leni- umm I mean Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords... yes definitely NOT the Order of Lenin
:) Danke ju hairy musch
wasn't this added in the new war thunder patch?
yes it was the He 100 D-1 unfortunately i dont think the weapon preset is accurate
in war thunder it has 3 7.92 MGs
in wikipedia i read it had 1 20mm mgff/m or mg151's and 2 mgs
Sanger Zonnvolt kind of a shame because if Im not wrong it would be one of the fastest planes in its tier
i would prefer if she had some 20s that way it would be higher tier and did not club at 1.7 i mean c'mon
spit mk 1
p40 e1
f4f3
f2a3
laggs no match
And then you toss in this experimental beauty into the mix and wonder what would happen if it saw further development and even production. And of course you start wanting it into WT: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178
Rush4in its ugly AF but still a pretty good read
Excellent documentary and analysis.
the cooling system would be problematic in a dogfight or sustained steep climb since that would mean high engine throttle and low airflow. the plane would burn up.
Not many people where/are aware of the cooling surface areas that this machine relied on, and I for one was not fully aware of this. Therefore with a more conventional cooling radiator causing more "drag" and then loaded with guns and war stores and defensive armour, probably lost it's edge in speed, over the ME BF109
Hey Bis, you missed something in your overview... the final model of the He 100, the D-1, abandoned the evaporative surface cooling system and instead used a larger version of the retractable underbelly radiator. It was inserted in a "plug" below the cockpit, leading to a wing with slightly more span. It wasn't as retardedly fast as the original of course, but still capable of around 644 kph in level flight... a number only approached, but not reached, by the Bf 109 with the F version in 1941!
It also had a third more range than the Bf 109, which would have made it much better suited for escorting bombers during the Battle of Britain. This could have offset the need for the Bf 110 as an escort fighter, which also used the DB 601... and thus, the problem of engine supply for the He 100 basicly solves itself... especially considering that the Bf 110 needed 2 of the engines. Speakling strictly about engine supply, for each Bf 110 C built, 2 He 100 D-1s could have been built!
The D-1 is also the version that is now implemented in War Thunder... at least it is named a D-1... but its actually a D-0, still using the fragile evaporative surface cooling system and with the engine MG FF replaced by a third machinegun. Want to guess the battle rating?
It's 1.7. Yes. You read that right. A plane that can keep up with the ingame Griffon Spitfire XIVe at 5-6km altitude is fighting pre- and early war monoplanes and biplanes... The He 100 is now officially the most criminally undertiered plane in War Thunder.
One last thing about the cooling system... it turned out that the cooling capacity wasn't sufficient for more powerfull engines like the later DB 605, and there was no way to increase the performance of the coolant system at all... it was recognised as an evolutionary dead end. The Bf 109 is already labeled as a fighter that didn't have as much development potential than the Spitfire or later fighters, with this cooling system the He 100 would have had basicly NO development potential at all! Which is, IMHO, one of the main reasons for why it was abandoned on the final D-1 variant.
Whenever Ernst Udet is mentioned, I can't help but get angry about him... what an arrogant, ignorant and spineless bonehead! He might have been a good fighter and stunt pilot, but he totally failed in any other capacity, be it as test pilot, as the man responsible for the excessive dive bomber focus of the Luftwaffe which lead to such grand things as the He 177 requirement for dive bombing capability, and lastly... at life itselt, by becoming an alcohol, tobacco and methamphetamine(Pervitin tablets in germany at the time) addict and finally comitting suicide after the failure of the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain.
Maybe I am a bit harsh on him, he didn't choose the responsibility of becoming Generalluftzeugmeister, it was forced on him, and the fat bastard Göring also shifted the blame on him... but he didn't have the courage to stand up to anyone, either! And instead of confronting the people responsible with the fact that he just wasn't fit for this job or that the failure in the Battle of Britain wasn't his fault, or at least not his alone, he just consumed increasingly excessive amounts of alcohol and meth, which made him even more easily manipulated by Göring, and spent his time privately drawing reaaaally toxic caricatures of his superiors. He was a child in a mans body.
Robert Willis Mhm, I am confused. Are you saying that I am a bit too hard on Udet, because by fucking up he basicly helped preventing Nazi Germany winning WW2/even more death?
Or are you just saying that I am too hard on Udet, irrespective of any influence he had on the war?
If Nr1.) That is beside the point. I was judging the man and his actions, not the Nazi regime and his influence on it or his influence on WW2.
If Nr.2) I already stated myself that I may be a bit too harsh on him, in the last paragraph I wrote. He was just human, and circumstances conspired to put him in a really bad situation. Still... the way he dealt with it was, in my eyes, like a manchild.
There are also other things, like him test flying the He 118 prototype(contestant in the Luftwaffe divebomber requirement, which the Ju 87 won)... Ernst Heinkel wrote in his biography that Udet ignored instructions and flew the aircraft outside of its limits, in the end dooming the project. In the end, the Heinkel 118, despite not being able to dive vertically like the Stuka, was (IMHO) a design with much more potential.
The japanese produced the D4Y divebomber, which was at least partially influenced by 2 He 118 that were built and exported to them, and that plane was a lot faster and more agile than any Stuka could ever hope to be, and still was a very capable divebomber... it even used a license built copy of the german DB 601 engine(the japanese could never get their copies to really work reliablywhich is why it was replaced with a radial later)! This shows how Udet basicly doomed a very promising design, by being too self-absorbed or ignorant to follow basic instructions...
Nope. He-118 was definitely a superior design. They don't call it the "doomed dive bomber fly-off" for nothing. The RLM wrote the specs for the competition directly from the performance perimeters of the JU-87 and had decided beforehand that the JU-87 would win. The He-118 only existed as a raw prototype, and had it been given some development, it would have been an outstanding ground attack plane with fighter-like performance. It only needed structural strengthening and removal of the rear gunner. Also, the RLM originally had a specification for two different roles in the mid-19030s - one for a dive-bomber and one for the ground attack role. He-118 and another missed opportunity like the Ha-137 were designed for this second role. And guess who was instrumental in abandoning the ground attack role in favor of dive-bombers only? If you said Ernest Udet, well, you get the Ritterkreuz.
All I have to say to how this continued on the 25th and 26th of December is:
*SIGH*
I think I have encountered a classic Denning-Kruger reaction. I could answer you on all of your points, but it would be a wasted exercise. I meant to have a spirited debate, not a hateful pissing contest and you're welcome to believe you're better informed and smarter than me. My feelings are not hurt. I wish you all the best in the new year and much happiness.
Yep, I agree. For me, the issue with it is that you can't afford to take any damage at all because the entire airframe is the cooling system. Any hits to the wings will cause a coolant leak, any hit to the engine will cause both a coolant and oil leak, and any hit to the rear fuselage will cause an oil leak. The reason a hit behind the cockpit causes an oil leak, is that the oil cooler for the DB-601 engine was also a surface evaporator using an alcohol heat exchanger with the oil and the area used for evaporating the heat was behind the cockpit.
I've had many a battle where I was forced to RTB to avoid losing the engine after taking minor damage, but all of which caused coolant/oil leaks. Actually lost a plane due to the engine turning black after a LaGG-3 put a 20mm cannon shell into the rear fuselage which caused the oil to overheat very quickly. I would say that even low-BR Japanese planes are less prone to fatal damage from rifle-calibre machineguns than the He-100. I can't image this thing surviving at higher BRs where cannon and large-calibre MGs would destroy the cooling system with the first hit.
Cooland being pumped around an airframe in tubes for air cooling was used by Mitchell in the Schneider seaplanes
That cooling seems like heat pipes of some sort.
I don't know anything about engineering either, but I was always great in physics and chemistry
Water and anything liquid (as far as i know) has its own pressung that is ofter refered to dampfdruck in german that rises with higher temperatures aswell as it drops with lowering ones. When this pressure reaches the atmostheric pressure it will start to boil, hence it is possible to keep liquids from boiling by hightening the atmospheric pressure and it is impossible to boil an egg on the top of mount everest, because the atmospheric pressure let's the water turn to gas befor being hit enough to boil the egg properly.
can you imagine how hard that cooling system would have been to maintain in Russia?
Isn't Russia itself a cooling system? :P
Duct tape!
Quinn C. funny because Germany sold some of the pre-production machines to the Soviet Union and Japan
bigger problem would have been in North Africa where the hot air and sun would make it ineffective, forcing the aircraft to fly at lower engine power, thus lower speed and with smaller payloads.
I think in Russia they wouldn't even be able to take off during the winter... seems like water would freeze solid and burst the pipes. Maybe the water is kept out of the pipes on the ground, but even then the cold water traveling back from the wings would freeze up, that would be bad!
The original P-38 design had something like that. Since the original order was 65 planes, period, Lockheed didn't worry about mass production. They routed the intercooler for the supercharger through the leading edge of the wing, to avoid drag. Didn't work out in practice so well. 😏
That cooling system in the he100 would be far to big for war. 1 hit to the wingtips could have taken out the plane.
Appreciated your video very much - thank you!
Fascinating, I knew nothing of the 100.. I'm a big 109 fan, which is how I discovered this video. I found it compelling from start to finish... Keep it up!!
Interesting clip,
additionally nice to see that you still some connection to WT.
thanks again for these interesting documentaries-I believe RJ Mitchell; designer of the Spitfire, used the wing/floatplane structure of the Schneider Trophy S5/S6 aircraft for heat sink/heat dissipating of engine coolant thus removing the high drag associated with external radiators.
I am sure the practical aspects of such systems in the field plus combat vulnerability would rule this approach out.
Fascinating. Would have been an excellent racing model, but yes, the concerns about its use in combat were real. Brilliant cooling system, though!
According to Nowarra the reason for the He 100's cancellation was quite simple: Having a prototype fighter be the fastest in the world stole the 109's spotlight, which cast a bad light on Udet's Luftwaffe. That's also why Heinkel's team wasn't allowed any other record flights after the 209 (which was called 109R to make it look like it was a deviation of the serial production 109).
It should also be said that Udet presented the craft to the French as "the newest German fighter" and then asked Heinkel "How are you doing with the serial production?" This annoyed Heinkel greatly as no order had been given to get the factories up and running, and there never would be one, of course. Additionally, the surface cooling was more resistant to damage than the normal cooling cycle since a hole wouldn't leak as much water as one in a standard water-cooled powerplant.
NEvertheless, an amazing video.
I own one of Nawarres description of the He100 and can't remember seeing it written that Heinkel was annoyed by that question. Surprised perhaps. Part of surface cooling was pressurised, a single hole in the right area (which was larger than in a standard inline cooling) and the amount of coolant lost in a single instant would be a catastrophy. The part where the coolant was no longer under pressure was also a prominant feature (aka a wing) and larger and thus could be more often hit than the traditional coolers.
Whether or not the Germans knew at the time, but the French economy and lack of sufficient production capabilities, and even the structure of the government itself, would have prevented them from producing the plane at all, even if Heinkel had handed them the complete set of blueprints ... at least until their average design-to-production time of 5-6 years, or at least until 1943 - make that May of 1940 when that particular France essentially ceased to exist.
@@MilitaryAviationHistory That is true for the D-0-Series, but why do you ignore the D1-Series, slower but with a conventional cooling system. Still lightyears ahead of any other fighter plane of that time... in range, safety landings, sights, speed, climbing,. with competitive armament... the much greater range make the Bf110 useless... so you could build 1000 He100D1 for 500 Bf110... even better, its easy handling mean the germans do maybe loose only 10-15% of its new pilots to accidents instead of 30-35%... 20% more fighterpilots in much better planes gaining experience is a very bad news for the allies. Very bad...So no overloading of the training system - at last for another year or two... oops... that alone mean 10.000 more killed allied planes in the west... such things add on... it is no weapon that win the war (gladly), but it cost the allies a lot more in anything... more bombers get killed by "save"bomber killers, because the escorts get killed by the He100s, early on more industrial areas of UK get destroyed (less fighters, bombers, guns, tanks, ammo, everything), maybe more ships got sunk in the ports, slower unloading rates, etc), more british pilots are needed earlier (untrained) and got killed - basically a switch of the german problem from 43 on...
*EDIT* LOL sorry, my friend!! you actually addressed almost everything in my comment, lol!!!
great video, my friend! i think the He-100 just didn't have the survivability due to the cooling system being in the wings and not having as much room for upgrade possibly? would you agree or do you think it was more politics involved? i know that Milch in particular couldn't stand Ernst Heinkel so would obviously pass over his designs for _anyone_ else's! however, do you think that the He-100 could have served for as long and as effectively as the Bf-109?
Built a semi-scale rc model of this aircraft...flew like a dream. Just saying!
You've taken a very rational look at what was once, to my eight year old eyes back in 1979, a very clear case of "injustice against Heinkel". Perhaps it was, and perhaps Willi Messerschmitt really did have the inside track, but you've given some very good technical reasons why the decision NOT to put the He-100 into mass production and combat service turned out to be for the best.
Have you also covered, or would you consider also covering, the He280 in this regard?
Its funny to hear you talk about some of the reasons the He-100 was likely not adopted by the Germans. Especially the coolant being so spread out. When I viewed the X-ray view in War Thunder I was like "Shit.... one shot by an enemy plane or stray bullet from even rifle caliber ground AA guns and I'll have to RTB immediately!" Great innovation to give maximum performance but a huge Achille's Heel. Ty for video. Well edited and put together.
Thank you, it did take time to make so glad to hear people are enjoying it
.....that's why the natural replacement to the 109 was Kurt Tanks Fw190 - Faster, Tougher, Better Armed
Just no - the FW190 was no replacement, because it lacked the capabilities in great hights... here the Bf109 with inline engine was superior... the He100D1 was great in both areas, by design. So the germans could have concentrated on FW190 as a low level fighter, later Bomberkiller, the He100D-1 and follow ups to kill the escorts (like P38, P47 or P51) because it was as fast or faster in greater hights as the 1943-models of these planes - in 1940. Add the better engines and WEP and the He100D-series with conventional cooling system could have been "the wonder weapon" of the german air force.
The visuals are a bit suspect, but the commentary is top notch and informative. Thanks!
If I remember correctly this plane was originally a racing plane which is why it's covered in coolant or something like that.
Yes, it was a racing plane.
I misread the title. I read wanderwaffle. My appetite clicked before I could.
it still cooks everywhere if u care ;)
One other viewer mentioned the interest the Japanese Army had in the He-100. If you look at a Ki-61 Hien "Tony" in profile it looks very much like the He-100 -- with a ventral radiator. Wing plan is somewhat similar.
The allies named it "Tony" thinking it derived from an Italian design. Not so. The derivation, at least externally, was clearly German, the He-100.
Liked for the iron cross :p
There is actually a full-scale mock-up of the HE-100 at the Planes of Fame Museum in Chino, CA. A handsome machine...I feel it could have been a better fighter than the ME-109, if using a standard radiator.
Excellent, well balanced and researched presentation!
The He100D1/He113 replaced the evaporation cooling system with a larger retractable cooling radiator though, and that still apparently gave the plane a top speed of around 400mph. That's surely the variant that should be considered here, not the one built to capture the world speed record.
I think as a long ranger bomber escort and pursuit fighter it would've been a pretty good fighter. It had better speed and and range/endurance than the Bf109, so in scenarios such as the Battle of Britain therefore it could've had sufficient capability to swing the balance in favour of the Luftwaffe...
It looks just like the Japanese Kawasaki Ki-61 "Tony".
They have the same engine. Well you know, Japanese license copy of the engine.
Very interesting. I learned something new. Thanks for posting.
Absolutely fantastic audio/visual lesson Bis! It was on par easily with most history documentaries.
Excellent video! Please tell me what you used to generate the scenes of the Stuka diving and strafing.
Lol wish I would have watched this sooner, I got the He-100 the day it came out and spaded it in about 2 ours and never cared to look at a x-ray of the plane, I was amazed at how fast it was and it was almost impossible to over heat, I didn't even notice that the cooling system was so vulnerable until I finally got shot at by a spit and noticed all the leaks, the plane was just so damn fast the enemy never had a chance to shoot me ... now I'm done with the he-100 XD
Your missing the aircraft's best characteristic compared to the BF 109. It has a wide track undercarriage and the narrow track landing gear on the BF 109 that had landing accidents due to its poor landing gear configuration as its largest cause of loss. Both record aircraft were only able to be used for short record flights. Combat aircraft need large radiators for service use and liquid coolant lines are their main weakness to enemy fire.
Great video Bismarck, you now have your latest subscriber. One thing i'd like to point out is that the Supermarine S6B had the same type of cooling system as the He-100. Mitchel designed the S6B as the fastest racing aeroplane of it's day with liquid cooling within the skin of the airframe for the ultimate in streamlining... However when he designed a fighter aeroplane, in the form of the Spitfire, he deliberately chose to use a coolant radiator with the 'Meredith Effect' instead! That may well have been for practicality and also serviceability, at the small cost of just a few knots. The Spitfire was designed with a radiator and not such a cooling system for a reason, and not because the manufacturer did't think of it or couldn't produce it. So the He-100 as fantastic as it most certainly was, perhaps wasn't robust enough for service life along with diplomatic and other technical issues.
mm - I think you missed the whole wing loading con that the 109 had on the RLM in 1935 - they turn up with the 109 with its high wing loading (which was actually not what the spec said), and the 112 couldn't match it for high-speed flight, along with the negative feedback the 109Bs had with their air intakes, Heinkel just wanted to prove with a better wing design funky cooling, the 100 addressed both - I think once the 100 had gone to a similar air intake of the 109E it wouldn't have been a problem. The main issues were the 109 was IN production and the shared engine. The engine was the mistake along with the timing, as the Spitfire wasn't really considered an equal of the 109 by the high command in 1938/39. Once that was seen (spitfire V), and a different engine - the FW190 was that second (and better) aircraft. I think if the 100 had happened, the 190 would have been the aircraft we were talking about here.
Very good insight. I had no idea about the clever but highly vulnerable cooling system in the He100 design.
So, Heinkel needed to invoke a little bit of Kurt Tank's thinking, and begin to put BMW Radials into the He-100, with maybe, better guns or armour. Still a nifty airframe. I believe that the Jap Ki-61 had used this as their 'Fax Copy', and made the that plane in the Heinkel mold, not in the BF-109 ideal. Then, the Ki-100, would pretty much explain my thinking that a 2000 hp Radial might've been a better choice; and to do so in '40, Well, that would've meant no MIG's, ever...
Have yourself some oak leaves with that iron cross. This was a great video.
Dankeschön
Wouldn't her performance be worsened when you add a couple tons of Armaments and Armour?
I love videos like this! I actually read about this plane just the other day when I was reading about the test pilot Fritz Wendel.
@Geo, Thanks for giving the test pilot' name.
Amazing that the Germans couldn't develop a better liquid cooled engine fighter after the Me-109 first appeared in 1938 in Spain. 7 years later the Germans were still soldiering on with the 109. They had many good aircraft engineers, but employed many of them on projects that never bore fruit. They should have had an all-out effort started by 1941 at the latest to field a better liquid cooled engine fighter.
That's hindsight. They thought that they had won the war, and didn't need a new fighter. Nor did they think that they needed a heavy bomber.... Late in the war there was a rush to develop new aircraft, like the Horten jet stealth bomber, Me 262 jet fighter, the Me 163 rocket plane. Not forgetting the V1 and V2 flying bombs. Most of these projects were flawed (the jet engines were extremely difficult to manage and had a ridiculously short life) or not ready for use by the end of the war, or subject to a severe shortage of fuel, like the V2.
One of the things the Nazis forgot was that whatever weapon you develop, it has to be combat-ready, and able to be supplied, and able to be serviced and kept in readiness for use. The Allies had a much clearer view of these necessities, and fielded war-ready weapons in large numbers. It worked, they won, despite starting with a major technological deficit, and not having rearmed during the '30s
this was posted on my birthday :D
happy birthday to ya =D
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Me too :D
Great documentary, amazing English speech. I had never heard of this plane before so this was very interesting. Yes, Willy did seem to get more orders than his fair share!
I watched this good and informed discussion of inline engine liquid cooling.
You have to admire the quality of draggy giant-displacement air-cooled radials doubling as bullet-shields for their pilots. They also have much shorter crankshafts that get along better with all the inertia of a giant propeller. Stories abound of Allied aircraft returning home with entire cylinders shot off their radial engines. My uncle was a P-47 pilot so I grew up knowing about it.
Many of which stories, were of course, pure myth 🙂
Great for icing conditions
The bf109 was a good aircraft, but it did have its drawbacks. Limited armament, range, view from the cockpit, especially towards the 6 o`clock was some of the drawbacks. Liquid cooled engine was another, but many aircraft suffered from this - Spitfire, Hurricane, Mustang, Lightning and so on... The bf 109 always climbed very well, from the E-model had fuel injection so it could do a negative G dive, it turned ok, but not as well as the Hurricane and Spitfire, however it seems to have been able to out turn the P-51 Mustand (when flown by a capable pilot). When the Fw190 came onto the scene in late 41 early 42 it "flew rings" around the Spitfire mk V...which may seem strange to some as the Spitfire could easily out turn a Fw. However in aerial warfare speed, firepower and roll is more important than turning, as turning is only usefull if someone is on your tail trying to shoot you, and turning for any amount of time makes you predictable and an easy target for a second bandit coming into or slashing through the fight. The Fw 190 A-models and the P-47 did normally stand a better chance of returning home after hits as they were air cooled, and there are stories of P-47s making it home after pieces of the engine being shot off. I think the He-100 and He-112 might have been better aircraft, the Luftwaffe went with the bf109 and the rest is history. The Heinkel aircraft might have solved one of the major problems of the bf109 and that was its narrow landing gear, which did kill a lot of new pilots.
It's not always about "better aircraft". You need the time to build them, you need the materials, you need trained workers to build them, you need guys that know how to repair them, you need pilots that know how to fly in them (and fly well in them)...the list goes on.
In the end it didn't matter, because all the other countries threw too much shit on germanys wall anyway.
Tech doesn't matter when you're outressourced like that.
I always wonder about the narrow landing gear issue: You never hear about the Spitfire having it, with a similar track width (and in the end even more powerful engines with the Griffin). Why?
Another thing I am wondering about is the production effort for the aircraft. If I recall correctly, the 109 tool roughly 10'000 man hours to produce, the Spit ~20'000. I wonder where the He 100 falls in.
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@@spoeny All informations tell us it was around 70% of a 109... so this means around 7000 man hours... if you simplify it a bit more (later on) you can produce so many of them that your bottleneck is still the engine...
*The one situation to which the Heinkel-100 would have been best suited* was the brutal Russian winter. The pressurized wet wing to cool the Daimler-Benz 601 would have been the perfect anti-ice for weather that froze up most vehicles of both sides as of the Battle of Moscow. Less than ideal in other conditions, as all that heat, by reducing the stall threshold, would impose stricter AOA limitations than on all other pursuit aircraft.
The Supermarine type 224 had a similar ‘evaporative’ cooling system.. Not practical for a fighting aircraft. Bit of an evolutionary dead end..
All the US air racing aircraft that lead the races in warbirds use "boil off" tanks for their cooling..............but it has limited time in the air and would not be suitable for combat.
The He-100 should not be compered to the Bf-109. It should be compared to the Fw-190, the Hawker Typhoon, the P-47 and the Vought F4U, all of which had similar performance, and all of which were prototypes at the same time as the He-100. Supermarine used similar radiators on their seaplane racers. These were rejected by the RAF for the reasons you note. Most WWII radiators used the Meredith effect to reduce or eliminate drag.
Yeah, everything good but... Can run minecraft?
Could you do one on Heinkel in general? It seems to me his claims that his aircraft were "always" being passed over for lesser types (112, 100, 280, 219) were a bit suspicious and self-serving considering how many contracts he got and how badly he screwed up on the 177.
He didn't screw up on the He177. He pointed out that it would be better to build it as a conventional 4-engine design, and that the insistence on it being stressed for "dive bombing" (actually, slightly steeper shallow-dive bombing) was not a good idea. The things that caused the He177 to be such a bad plane in practice were forced upon Heinkel by the authorities. It's not the plane that he wanted to build.
@@esmenhamaire6398 The dive bombing requirement was idiotic, but the engine installation was all Heinkel and the main source of trouble. It was all solved when the engines were installed further forward so they could be properly maintained and any leaks disposed of, that put an end to the engine fires.
One of the most beautiful fighter aircraft
"Faster Faster Faster... Until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death..."
Flávio Monteiro
This Quote is Accurate
When you go faster your fears seem farther away
Making you more capable of preventing yourself hesitating and ironically in some cases, more capable of surviving.
The more and more I think about it from my knowledge of engineering and flying that plane would NOT have been a good fighter engineering wise. Never mind bullets, just keeping the plane from shaking out a few bolts and springing a leak would probably be a regular annoyance. Plus any vibration from guns, unbalancing of coolant(Water is heavy) among other things probably make that plane a great race plane. Not so much a fighter
NorthScorpion
Very nice video Bismarck!
Well done and educational. I've been a long time subscriber and you never disappoint. Thanks for this Bismark!
And my thanks go to you too :)
Nicely done, as usual.
They should have used it for reconnaissance
Not enough range. No good sight on the ground. Fw 189 two emgimed plane with a special Gondel did that job very well.
It was always my understanding that Willy Messerschmitt got the Luftwaffe fighter contract because he was a Nazi, a party member, while Professor Henkel was not. I also understood that the HE-100 had a significantly longer operational range than the BF-109. That would have come in handy during the Battle of Britain.
Very informative video! More like this would be cool! Love all your other videos too! : )
Most interesting.........I have read many contemporary personal accounts by RAF pilots in th Battle of Britain claiming they either sighted or combatted He fighters. Mis-identification perhaps?
Testflew it in War Thunder today, great plane.
As long as no one shoots at you
German engineering.
The FW190 was their best airplane.
The ME109 was a thoroughbred
Great video! I had never heard of the He-100 before.
Schönes und schnelles Flugzeug aber zu emfindlich... Und: Messerschmitt hatte einfach mehr Einfluss auf das RLM und ausserdem richtete sich bald darauf die Aufmerksamkeit auf die kommenden Düsenjäger. Heinkel He-178 und Me-262 waren die Zukunft! ;-)
Point of interest: the crazy cooling system you point out here that is so inappropriate for a fighter aircraft and that was probably the reason for the death of this one... Is built into a modern airplane. The F-35 uses the same system. Not to cool the engine, but too cool it's Electronics. And it doesn't move water around, to the edges of the Wings, and everywhere else, no, instead, it moves jet fuel. Which really doesn't sound like a great idea for an airplane that might get shot at. But there it is.
It is worth considering that modern planes make next-to-no considerations for aircraft durability, because weapons nowadays are so batshit insane that literally a single hit will take down even an A-10 with ease if it's anything more than a Strela launcher. Thus, performance and cost become the sole factors for aircraft design, and so long as the pilot can survive long enough to eject, durability is of no concern.
The SR71 used fuel for cooling. 50 year old technology.
If your fuel leaks out, you have greater concerns than your avionics overheating...
Nice try to jump on the F-35 hating bandwagon, though.
No radio . Special fuel. No armaments. Complex cooling. Specially prepared.