Zustand with Context API - An Advanced Pattern

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  • Опубліковано 21 лис 2024

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  • @n00berdoober
    @n00berdoober 27 днів тому +7

    Watching your videos makes me realize, how I actually don't know anything.
    Before this video, I never actually thought of this limitations of zustand. As a good developer we should implement abstraction.
    Thanks 💯🙌

    • @aaqibhamdule73
      @aaqibhamdule73 18 днів тому +1

      You think u don't know anything, I am still thinking what is the use of zustand even after watching the video.

    • @n00berdoober
      @n00berdoober 18 днів тому

      @@aaqibhamdule73 😂😂. I also did not know zustand 3 months back

  • @markdeguzman7760
    @markdeguzman7760 27 днів тому +5

    This is what I was thinking a few days ago, thank you.

  • @nikola-dev
    @nikola-dev 27 днів тому +3

    I am glad to see this new pattern. But it's overcomplication in order to have passing props directly to zustand store. There should be way to set this "props" in zustand store before becomes "props".
    Which means, this data comes from API, or somewhere from UI local state, you can simply put it in zustand store when fetch data or in some component if its local ui state, and than no need to pass it as props at all, just pull it from zustand.
    Also, you should try it out to see how simple it is to use Jest or Vitest with Zustand. Its very simple and nice dev experaince.

  • @hassanad94
    @hassanad94 22 дні тому +1

    Thank you!!! Genius :D It opens up so much things... I will use it, and i will be able to writte better and more reliable code with this pattern!!! Thank you again!

  • @OusmanDiallo-d4f
    @OusmanDiallo-d4f 25 днів тому +10

    i still dont understand... if we're going to do all of this why not just skip the zustand implementation altogther and just implement this with the context api

    • @ЕгорЕсипенко-б5ч
      @ЕгорЕсипенко-б5ч 18 днів тому +1

      at least without zustand you won't be able to sign on specific fields and will have rerenders every time with simple useContext + you won't have access to zustand store methods like reset store for instance

    • @Nick-v2m6k
      @Nick-v2m6k 11 днів тому

      @@ЕгорЕсипенко-б5ч key point for this pattern, you just pass a singleton of zustand store to the context, it nearly never to change.

  • @AqibRime
    @AqibRime 27 днів тому

    I was searching this solution for a long time. Thanks for the video

  • @ViacheslavUstinov-g4x
    @ViacheslavUstinov-g4x 24 дні тому +1

    I used combinations of useContext, but with redux when I needed to solve problems with redrawing a complex interface. Although the experience had a positive result, I gradually removed it from the project because the complexity of understanding the code grew too much. Thanks for your pattern, but I think it is better to avoid using context in a project and modern state managers at the same time

  • @saqomelqon1618
    @saqomelqon1618 25 днів тому +1

    We’re back to a lot of boilerplate in redux 😅

  • @harag9
    @harag9 27 днів тому

    Great video. I heard about Jotai the other day. Can you do a video on explaining zustand vs jotai ? pro/cons etc.

  • @PaulSebastianM
    @PaulSebastianM 27 днів тому +2

    So basically doing dependency injection with Context acting as factory as well as DI container.

  • @allaithbitar1199
    @allaithbitar1199 27 днів тому +1

    And now you've got redux basically

  • @theintjengineer
    @theintjengineer 27 днів тому

    I am really trying to get into React, basically because of the nice ShadcnUI lib, but as much as Angular has a steeper learning curve, things like these just don't exist there. Stuff there is more organised. And I like it.
    I understood the video up to the selector thingy part.
    PS: I'm not saying the video is bad. Maybe I should have delved deeper into Zustand, or maybe I'm just too stupid. I don't know.

    • @nykid30
      @nykid30 22 дні тому +1

      You're not stupid, this pattern is. 100% zero reason for it to exist except for bad developers trying to shoehorn a solution into something to work with their bad architecture.

    • @theintjengineer
      @theintjengineer 22 дні тому

      @nykid30, thanks for the reply.
      I was here like: no way this is "the good/a proper way of doing things."
      So convoluted and unorganised. But then, the guy is an expert, so I thought it could be just my skill issue, but seeing that other devs also find it somewhat "strange" makes me feel a bit more relieved😅.
      Cheers.

    • @nykid30
      @nykid30 21 день тому

      @theintjengineer honestly, influencer devs I feel arent the best people to learn from. A lot of them promote really weird stuff that you wouldnt normally do if you've been working at a company. I guess the best we can do is see their proposal, understand the use-case and then evaluate ourselves if it is actually meaningful or not instead of just taking what they say as god-tier tips

  • @MohamedDOURAI
    @MohamedDOURAI 27 днів тому

    Great video! I have a question though. I normally create an action to initialize the data in zustand, for example, I set the count state as null, then I create an action called setCount, that would initialize the count state when I receive the data either from the server or through props, is this bad?
    Also you mentioned that this solution is useful for making the state available only for the relevant components we desire by wrapping them around the context, but wouldn't that state be lost in case the page refreshes, shouldn't there be a persistence solution for this?
    I would appreciate it if you could (if you have some time) to make a video for persisting state and other zustand options.

    • @aleksandarspasov6815
      @aleksandarspasov6815 13 днів тому

      You need to *persist* data. Zustand offers this middleware as well, just checkout their docs.

    • @MohamedDOURAI
      @MohamedDOURAI 12 днів тому

      ​@@aleksandarspasov6815 I've already done it, it's just that I start to wonder if my implementation is wrong, has some flaws or maybe could be improved in some way I don't know about.

  • @hikmetmelik
    @hikmetmelik 27 днів тому

    Thank you for video and giving perspective

  • @hassansadrati8421
    @hassansadrati8421 27 днів тому +1

    Does this patern will work as expected if initial data fetched from api using react query ?

    • @nykid30
      @nykid30 22 дні тому

      You dont need this pattern. If you initialize from remote, just set zustand to whatever default values you want and then update it when the data arrives. If you're hydrating, you can still do the same, except just initialize zustand with that data directly.
      If youre using context api (by itself), then you do the exact same thing. Zero need to combine them and overcomplicate things

  • @sidalisaadi1961
    @sidalisaadi1961 27 днів тому

    Great video!
    Can this also work if I want to set the initial state through an http request?

  • @thanathep_lamp
    @thanathep_lamp 23 дні тому

    I have a question. I'm using Apollo Client to fetch data from a GraphQL API, so it's hook-based. Is it possible to implement a Zustand context action, like calling an action to fetch data from GraphQL?

  • @AbdurRahim-eu3zr
    @AbdurRahim-eu3zr 27 днів тому +3

    Then why do we need zustand at first place as we can do this with simple context api

    • @salok1508
      @salok1508 27 днів тому +1

      +1

    • @zayne-sarutobi
      @zayne-sarutobi 26 днів тому

      Context doesn't manage state, it's just a data transport mechanism

    • @AbdurRahim-eu3zr
      @AbdurRahim-eu3zr 26 днів тому

      @@zayne-sarutobi If we are doing it this way with Zustand, it’s essentially the same as using useState. The purpose of using Zustand is to avoid context provider or similar providers like Redux

    • @zayne-sarutobi
      @zayne-sarutobi 26 днів тому +3

      @@AbdurRahim-eu3zr Nope, it's not the same
      With Zustand, you still retain the ability to prevent unnecessary rerenders by way of selectors...
      With useState, you don't

    • @aleksandarspasov6815
      @aleksandarspasov6815 13 днів тому

      I think many still don't know that Context API is purely there to simplify prop drilling. It's actually re-rendering the whole components tree it's wrapping upon every state change.
      It can in fact solve your (global) state management issues but there's a cost.

  • @princenarteh8822
    @princenarteh8822 26 днів тому

    Nice tutorial. But what if the data comes from API? How do you set it using the method?

    • @aleksandarspasov6815
      @aleksandarspasov6815 13 днів тому

      A really good question! The pattern seems sound but what is the real use case of the pattern he showed?! When do we actually need to initialise the store with data other then when it's come from API?!

  • @Deus-lo-Vuilt
    @Deus-lo-Vuilt 27 днів тому

    Thank you, very good content

  • @Dead_Code2511
    @Dead_Code2511 27 днів тому +2

    What's the usefulness of Zustand in this case?

    • @aleksandarspasov6815
      @aleksandarspasov6815 13 днів тому

      As you saw in the video when he initialised the Context Provider state he completely ignored the setter. There's no need to use this setter, which would in fact re-render the whole components tree this context is wrapping. You can use the Zustand store itself to change the state and it will re-render only the components that are subscribed to it.

  • @moustafamahmoud4948
    @moustafamahmoud4948 26 днів тому

    As we know context API is not working fine with rapidly changing states, in this example do we have this concern since we access zustand through context api or not ?

    • @MagerX1794
      @MagerX1794 24 дні тому

      The context isnt actually changing here, which is what context has issues with doing effectively. In this scenario you're passing the zustand object to context, and it passes it down as you need. The reference to the state will not change, therefore context will not re-render

  • @HBMoulvad
    @HBMoulvad 25 днів тому +1

    What if you want to access the store in a function outside a component?

    • @aleksandarspasov6815
      @aleksandarspasov6815 13 днів тому

      Make that function a *pure* one and pass the store as an argument. It will also make it immensely easier to test.

  • @Cypekeh
    @Cypekeh 27 днів тому +2

    zustand is pronounced as "tsu shtand"

  • @odogwu-1918
    @odogwu-1918 26 днів тому

    use this concept and create a multi step form in next js for a section of a form

  • @133289ify
    @133289ify 26 днів тому

    hmm...uhhhm... so if you happen to initialize your state like this you probably want to consider using React local state instead.
    If the initial prop is coming from the network you'd still want to show a default value/view to the user whether you choose to have zustand or not

    • @aleksandarspasov6815
      @aleksandarspasov6815 13 днів тому

      Exactly! Not really a good use case for this pattern. One should stick to default state.

  • @leularia
    @leularia 27 днів тому +20

    What's the use of zustand in that case just use useState and useReducer no need for zustand, zustand is created for a global state i don't see any use here.

    • @zayne-sarutobi
      @zayne-sarutobi 26 днів тому +2

      With Zustand, you still retain ability to use selectors to cut down unnecessary rerenders

    • @chess4964
      @chess4964 26 днів тому +2

      ​@@zayne-sarutobiJust use the use-context-selector for this case you dont need to combine zustand with Context api.

    • @zayne-sarutobi
      @zayne-sarutobi 25 днів тому +2

      @@chess4964 Now that's just pointless isn't it? If I'm already using zustand for most stuff, why pull in an extra lib(which also means increased bundle size) just for that one usecase? Let's not forget that zustand v5 is just half a kilobyte, so if I can do practically everything with it, I should

    • @chess4964
      @chess4964 25 днів тому

      @@zayne-sarutobi well what im trying to say if you use Context Api you should use the package what I recommended since it is used to reduce rerenders when using context api and ditch zustand not the other way around.

    • @CodeCodeCode-ts9bc
      @CodeCodeCode-ts9bc 24 дні тому

      Hundreds of usage... Making customs services, making custom components etc. Our very large project depends on this pattern.

  • @mosesolayinks6361
    @mosesolayinks6361 27 днів тому +8

    Is this not counter intuitive to the need for Zustand in the first place ? Zustand is supposed to help reduce the re-render issues of context api.

    • @developaul
      @developaul 26 днів тому +1

      Context is not a state manager, it is just an injector of dependency

  • @razorxxxiv5884
    @razorxxxiv5884 27 днів тому +1

    Can someone explain to me in great details why use redux over zustand in react?

    • @aleksandarspasov6815
      @aleksandarspasov6815 13 днів тому

      Redux has become a full package deal so one could see this as an advantage - it solves the global state and fetch issues. Zustand is purely global state management tool.
      But to answer your question - there's very little or absolutely no reason to use redux over Zustand (+ React Query).

    • @razorxxxiv5884
      @razorxxxiv5884 13 днів тому

      @aleksandarspasov6815 there is a very annoying issue with redux and nextjs that when you change the store code it doesnt update until you trigger a clean full build because it gets cached and that issue used to make me go crazy all the time debugging everywhere and it is just redux being redux.

  • @MrEnsiferum77
    @MrEnsiferum77 26 днів тому +2

    Zustand with context api is confusing, u never know where to put the provider and that can change and maybe u lift the provider up, makes other components rerender for no reason... I prefer slices per page (still u have atomic selectors, just longer), sometimes u will need state value from different sources.... this is terrible pattern....

  • @micortes89
    @micortes89 27 днів тому +1

    This looks too complicated for me to use 😢

  • @ngocanha85
    @ngocanha85 20 днів тому

    just seen this kind of useState with Context api in Claude Sonnet😅

  • @codernerd7076
    @codernerd7076 27 днів тому +2

    Wouldn't it be easier to just use Redux which has proven to work well?! 🤔

    • @n00berdoober
      @n00berdoober 27 днів тому +3

      One eternity older product, also I think zustand is more simpler than redux's reducer and dispatcher setup

    • @cosdensolutions
      @cosdensolutions  27 днів тому +3

      Has the same problems! Would be the same solution

  • @kennethlau8108
    @kennethlau8108 28 днів тому

    First🎉