Where Electric Motorcycles FAIL
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Electric motorcycle may very well be the future, but there's some issues that no ones talking about. Smaller bikes are fine or motorcycles that don't need to travel as far. In tight cites or many parts of europe they'll do ok with the current technology. But out here in the USofA it's gonna be tricky. You can't just put bigger and bigger batteries in these motorcycles to give you decent rang. The weight and cost go up and up to a ridiculous place. Would you pay $35,000 for a 700lbs street bike with similar power and range of an MT-07? No, that would be terrible! So how do we make actual bike bikes work then?
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former EV engineer here: the biggest range issue with bikes is because they're much less aerodynamic than cars. If you could somehow streamline the rider more (less of a large flat back side, less flappy clothes) you could get more range with no tech change. Lithium batteries do have 2 paths to much greater energy density: either silicon anode, or pure metal anode, each being a pretty sizable jump in specific energy, though neither have been really proven at scale. Amprius technologies made some claims about silicon anode and got a military contract, so we might see more of that soon? you definitely need cooling for fast charge, though immersion cooling isn't really a safe solution because you have no way to guarantee the max cell temp; if any one of them doesn't get cooling it can light up the entire pack.
I’d love to pick your brain on this stuff hahaha. Hope those anode technically become a reality then. Not sure if we can get motorcycles and rides much more aerodynamic.
I kind of agree with alot that you said. But in Europe they are huge..they are great for going to town, or see a mate. Guy i know lives in Malta and he's a MC but loves his little electric bike..edit. and as for battery because that was interesting, look how far they have come from only 2 years ago. Just a thought
@@digitaldogs233 yeah they make a lot more sense for in town commuting. wind resistance goes up with the square of speed, so it takes exponentially more energy to go faster.
@@TheGardenSnake im happy to chat whenever; I love this sorta stuff. not sure what the best way to keep in touch is
Like how he spotted a skidmark and had to do a burnout to make his own like dog pissing on another dogs territory mark lol otherwise yeah agree, batteries are not there yet, the energy density is still a joke compared to any chemical fuel and continous high power delivery also makes em shit the bed, no thanks
Just give me an EV grom, don't need huge range and the torque would be fun. Could be decently affordable too
I don’t know much about em but Erik Buells new electric naked I think is $12k new It’s called the Fuell Fllow. Supposedly with fast charge can go from 20% to 80% in 15 minutes
That would be good
Look up solid state batteries Jake. They may very well be the next big break through that will make EVs more viable than they are now. Toyota will be putting them in their vehicles starting in 2028. Long story short they are able to make more energy dense batteries with almost no down sides that last many more cycles.
Those have been "right around the corner" for like 40 years though
@@brianadamsjr2664 well, they started researching batteries after the oil crisis in the 70's. But it needs funding and this has been undermined for decades. Even toyota for the longest time wasnt putting much effort in. So its not like its not possible. Oil, as a consumable, is also much more profitable because you constantly need to replenish. Contrary, a battery is built and for the next 20 years, it doesnt generate any income to the manufacturer. At the end of the day, its not about whats better, but what generates the best return of investment. If it was, the world would look a lot different
Solid state batteries are coming that will recharge in 10 minutes and have longer range. Scotty Kilmer talks about this alot in his videos
I don’t have time to watch this rn, Doing the things the algorithm likes
I honestly don't want to buy a new truck or bike right now. California wants to have only electric vehicles sold starting january of 2035. I'm fixin to buy a brande new KTM EXC 500 and a brand new Ford F350 diesel in 2034 right before then so that way i can have a brand new bike and truck and not have to worry about for another 10+ years.
Always a weird debate like it needs to be one or the other. Battery bikes are fantastic for commuters or primary city driving. You can even do motorsport with them, but then its missing something. I think ICE bikes will always have a place in rural riding or motorsport. Its kinda like guns vs bow and arrow. Electric is efficient and easy to handle, and ice is raw and gritty and takes a certain amount of effort managing.
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I've said it once and I'll say it again. My problem isn't with evs, it's with the companies that manufacture evs. Zero is a known anti right to repair company. And for God's sakes just look at tesla. Until an ev comes out that is easily repairable buy a DIY mechanic then I'm completely uninterested.
I hear that. You know who actually does it right, Sur-ron.
If they ever figure out room temperature super conductors that'll be an answer.
A few friends on my dirt group have Electric Motion bikes, which are trials bikes. They have tiny batteries, maybe 30 miles on the road, but can go for hours doing trials stuff since the speed is so low and the brake regen works pretty well. But I'm not going to take that down to Baja, it's just really niche right now. I was thinking of getting an Ultra Bee, but the lack of a clutch makes them not great for fine control, but might be good for motocamping, who knows.
Electric trials stuff seems interesting.
The Ninja 7 Hybrid is coming out for 2024. This makes much more sense to me than strait EV’s.People get caught up on the battery technology, the weight, and range but forget that the county as a whole does not have the infrastructure to support the vehicles. If you can’t find places to charge other than around town or in your home then it’s useless regardless of your range. The Hybrid is the best of both worlds in cars and it should be interesting for Motorcycles as well.
A little more power and less fuel efficient then a honda cb 500. Costing probably double?
Electric vehicles aren't the future. I believe it will be Hydrogen or Fusion powered motors.
Honda recently raced their prototype in Japan. It's watercooled too.
Too lazy to write everything about it.
What’s it called
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All my homies hate electric vehicles
What's the market on used lithium EV batteries?
None.
Who's making money on old, used up lithium batteries?
No one.
Where do they go?
Landfills, to poison the ground and water and everything else.
Toyota just announced an EV after saying they never would. Solid state is definitely just around the corner.
the more performance and range the heavier it gets
When it switched to night I thought it was Cesar riding.
Also… Ed-209.
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I feel attacked
What hahah I said surrons work. Those are in the rang of being good with the current tech.
Cars go full electric keep bikes gas powered dont mess with bikes
Man flash back! The time I found your channel you looping the grom
Jake - swappable batteries! A kiosk at every filling station. You ride up, pull the low one(s), install the fresh one(s). Quicker than filling your tank!
Yeah, no infrastructure for that... watch rich rebuild take his rivian on a long trip... it was a mess and ended up equalling out to the cost benefit of having a gasser.
You expect all manufacturers to use one standardized battery? You trust the general public to play with very high voltage terminals? You think that crackheads wouldn't break into these things and steal the very expensive batteries? Your idea is like communism, it only kind of works on paper, before you factor in humanity
And every bike would have to have the same battery. Which means no performance gains because everything would have to be the same voltage and realistically the same ah. Also not to mention you then have really heavy small bikes because a “300cc” comparable electric supermoto would have to have the same battery as a touring electric bike
Nope! Little bike - one battery. Big bike - three batteries.
Death before electric =)
I think the market is looking at it wrong, they should do big touring bikes with big batteries or plug-in hybrids. Where the weight doesn't really matter that much.
The power grid would never be able to support the demand if every vehicle was forced to be electric in this nation. It is lucky if it can meet just the current demand levels right now.
Oh well that’s easy. Look at all the roof tops of homes and businesses, the open blacktop parking lots. Solar panel them all up. It won’t happen overnight but man there’s a dumb amount of power potential there.
@@TheGardenSnakeyou’re absolutely right on this one, that’s the easiest part to solve. I’d love an electric Supermoto!