What if Italy joined the Central Powers?
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- Опубліковано 8 кві 2024
- Many claim that had Italy remained in the Central Powers, the faction could have been victorious over the Entente. This statement has some validity, as it would most likely result in a quick victory, so Russia would still capitulate, and the United States wouldn’t join the war.
This is not to say that Italy is somehow going to do too much, I expect them to sit on the mountainous frontline with France. Even this is a nice distraction, Italy has colonies, so the Entente needs to commit more resources elsewhere.
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France: *becomes Monarchy*
Also France 1 nanosecond later: *Revelation noises intensify*
100%
Very France thing to do.
Would be interesting to see what if Spain joined the Central Powers after the Equatorial Guinea crisis in which the Entente breached Spanish territory
I will consider this, thank you for the suggestion!
@@rewriting-history what if everything went perfect for the central powers and both italy and Spain joined? I think that would make a good video
@@giulianopisciottano8302 sounds like a Possible History title + didn't he make 2 part series on that? Why would I make one
@@rewriting-historyYou should probably do a "What if everything went perfect for Spain" that begins in 1910
I think this would lead to Germany victory, not because the Spanish are useful allies because the manpower needed to guard the Spanish-French border would mean the western front would less guarded. Likely leading to the French being overwhelmed in 1914 which would lead to German victory
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A minor amount of tomfoolery
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the netherlands will definetly join germany because it is still a monarchy. the dutch royals had good relations with the germans@@rewriting-history
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I always do it, I know people will like them
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The kingdom of Italy is not the same as the magical mushroom kingdom ..
That is not what you say. This is the very real power of Victor Emmanuel II, and not even to Mussolini.
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Appreciate that, I thought it was bad, glad to see so many people like it
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You should definitely make a part 2!, it is really interesting!, and also, i like specially the videos where spain is involved, not just because its my country, but also its intervention, just like italy can turn the tides of a conflict
I have made some videos where Spain is the main star, here is one - ua-cam.com/video/j3O_xX7vVHc/v-deo.htmlsi=7gqGqsQbs2U8A96u
Italy can join central powers in a different way in this scenario italy performed better in the brothers war so they get almost all of disputed territory so they will join central powers to gain french land as they already will have almost all of there disputed land with austria
Really good point of divergence and it's perhaps more realistic. Good job on thinking of that!
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The lands they ask from Austia were usless : little to no italians there , no resources and very few people at all
Unlike the Savoy , Corsica ,Tunisia and Malta
@@flavius5722 Well, it's kinda complex. I'm from these territories, at the old border between kingdom of Italy and Austrian empire. It's true that they weren't particularly rich but 1) they had actually a lot of Italians 2) They had some rich port metropolis, like Fiume and Trieste 3) They were strategically important to reach the alps and defend if Austria would attack Italy in the future (before, the border was on the hills of Friuli and Veneto, really difficult to defend). Savoy and Nice were richer but, also, ceded to France in good faith for their help in creating Italy. There wasn't any rightful reason to reclaim them. Corsica wasn't rich nor particularly useful, and it's still an issue for France today. What Italy wanted from France was Tunisia, it was settled by Italians who thought they were playing the long game and then swooped quickly by France, Italy wasn't happy at all about that.
@@MS-ff8zo I really dont think were much italians there ,you heard about italians în Corsica, Malta today
I never heard of a single italian in Dalmatia , but I heard about Slovenia claiming land on the italian border
I was myself in Trieste , nice city but nothing to deserve a war
I dont see how Italy creating a tail on the east cost of the Adriatic is making easier to defend your territory
The fact that they trade territory for help should' ve make them to realize that France is not a reliable ally , the dont even these small dalmatians teritories after the war , but Italy claim the french ones in ww2
Austria was not a treat anymore , they were to weak to invade Italy
I'd reckon France would loose its northern departments to Belgium, or what's left of it, as recompense for loosing the eastern Cantons, while similarly weakening France.
I already transferred these territories according to your comment
@@rewriting-historyi think he meant Artois (a large chunk of nord-pas-de-Calais) which has ethnic Flemish in it
Perfect Video, I wish that you'd make a part 2
Can’t wait to read/buy your book, really interesting scenario! Great scenario as well may I add!
Great Video As Always And Interesting Scenario Too ❤🎉
Hope to see a part 2, this is amazing
Part 2, please. This is great.
Glad people liked it! Will come up with a title
Please do a part 2 I loved the video!
I liked the idea of this video but i considered it very unrealistic.
-Like wouldnt the italian colonies have just been taken down like the germans colonies in our timeline?
-And during the actual war you made it feel like the british werent even there, as you were only mentioning the french armies when the british fought in france too.
-Regarding the italian army, in our timeline they struggled against the austrians which werent reliable allies, so why would they be defeating stronger french armies on a similar type of frontline? i mean they couldnt even beat abysinnia
-and eventually the americans would get involved in a similar way than they did to our timeline they would still sell supplies to the british
-also the germans couldnt do lots of quick advancements like you showed where they advanced to normandy because of trench warfare.
anyway, sorry for lots of criticism i still enjoyed the video but some parts just didnt make sense to me. i would like to see a part 2 and have a good day.
I appreciate the criticism, but it's not supposed to be too realistic, just inspired by history. What you're pointing out is true, but it would create for a long and somewhat boring video. People lose interest if I go too much in depth, so I decided not to.
I mean just for fun we Say the terretoys it got from AH was mega buffed and has alot of moder day wepons
The Italians could naval invade instead of having to cross the alps.
That's the only reason the Italians had trouble against AH in the first place. The mountainous terrain. All the Austrians had to do was sitting in their trenches, opening fire on italian troops while they had to try and reach them before opening fire.
@@idk-cj8mn Naval invasion would have been hard since Spain would have most likely intervened on the side of the Entente to help contain the italian and the austrian navies (Pact of Cartagena)
@@idk-cj8mnRoyal Navy:
I want a part 2!
Soon maybe!
I don’t understand how Italy is able to breach trough French line in 1914 when irl they were not able to break Austrian one with added years of preparation…
I mean, less preparation, the defending army is better and the terrain is even worse
THAS WAT IM SAYIN
The video wasn’t ment to be realistic.
Well France doesent have any men to spare for the south
@@Sander_van_de_Reep Obviously alternate history are always unrealistic but it’s much more enjoyable when it make sense once the divergence point is set up
If they didn't break through, you can assume the video would be super boring and historical. I just wanted to do something interesting, I'm aware that Italy even lost land to Austria
This is a great and interesting video!
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There you go!
@@rewriting-history thanks
Can you do more interactive videos please? I loved that
Not really, it costs too much work and people complain about missing options and what could be added. I'm most likely not going it again
Would love a part 2 to this
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@@rewriting-historythanks!❤
Austria had all their ships in Trieste and Pola, this would landlock Austria-Hungary
If so just temporary cuz Austria could still use their dalmatian coast
agreed, i can understand Trieste but not Pula and Istria being ceeded
@@juliansmm244 were there any deep water harbours on the coast?
@@DakuHonoo id assume somewhere around the coast theres been some, id advise u to do some research if u care that much
Part2 plz
Soon maybe?
I would love to see a part 2
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Part 2 would be quite intresting.
Please make a part 2
Idk if this is real but i do remember that you had the part one of what if morrocan crisis caused ww1 or what if nobody won ww1 on the old ACH channel (before all the vids got nukked for some reason). I cant that video and if you have it can you repost it or remake it or something be cause i want to see it again
It's on my channel - ua-cam.com/video/fkI7iJuspsI/v-deo.htmlsi=Fqplae569AEgfRYs
Again Perfect video
Appreciate that!
@@rewriting-history that's true bro 😎👍🇵🇱
The German-Italian plan was different: Italy whould provide an Army Corp that was to was to deploy on the southern part of the western front. As it was uncertain if Austria was to allow the italian troops+supply route to run thru Austria it was considered the possibility for the italians to invade Switzerland to have free passage to the Mulhouse area. No operation was envised for the Alps as it was deemed impossible to pass the french fortifications. On the other hands the italian navy was to put pressure on the french cost whilst the Austria one was to protect the Adriatic Sea. You can find all of this on a ‘80 brook pubblished by “Ufficio Storico Stato Maggiore dell’Esercito” (Historical Bureau of the Supreme Headquarters of the Italian Army).
Please part 2 🙏
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Italy is such a chad
Especially this video
Italy. We help by existing!
Giga Italy
can u do a vid to rewrite finish history in ww1 and ww2
i could come up with a different scenario , as italy has a larger border with france than germany , 1/2 of french troops would need to garrison it (before the war) along with the german and belgian border. which would likely stretch their forces quite thin and a push back at the marne in september of 1914 would be difficult. though nothing much would change with belgium and germany would still be stalled going through belgium. on the other hand austria hungary could have a better time in galicia due to freed up troops from the italian border. the bulgarians would likely join sooner along with the ottomen (ottomans?) and due to british and french forces being stretched so thin along europe africa and asia it could mean that the schlieffen plan is out right successful and the war in the west ends before christmas and they turn towards russia with all their might in as early as feb or march of 1915 which would give them enough troops and equipment to make a successful barbarossa style invasion into russia with far more troops than germany in ww2 (because the austrohungarian army was not yet obliterated and the ottomen and italians would be around to help) which could be estimated to being around 4 million from germany , 2.5 million from austriahungary ,1.5 million from italy and 1 million from the ottoman. this might even encourage the japanese (which you completely forgot about in the video) to join germany (maybe big maybe) and capitulate russia by 1918 at most since germany had enough trains and a booming economy unlike in ww2 where swift action was required to not go into stalemate since the german industry couldnt handle a second war of attrition. so maybe germany could get bits of lithuania and get its old land from poland (from before napoleon arrived to prussia when poland had been split between russia germany and austria hungary which made it not exist anymore for 100 years) directly along with luxembourg , half of belgium , the iron mine area near the border with france (all of verdun and sedan) this could help them supply more iron for naval production and they might even beat britain in a few years, but hey , ITS JUST A THEORY A GAME THEORY!
Italy joined central powers until 1915 & changed side... as usual
in the world wars we Italians "changed side" when it was convenient to Italy, but it was not really during the wars themselves... it was right before Italy officially declared war or after we were already directly invaded and it was too late for Mussolini to win (so it's okay to help the Allies after that)
Not, AH empire infringed point 4 and 7 of the triple alliance where it was stated that it couldn’t start a war in the balcans without informing Italy first. That was an important point to Italy as they had beefs with each other before and that was important to Italy to protect itself. In fact Italy receded from the alliance and waited the formal 1 year before joining the war with the entente.
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PLS PART 2!!
Soon!!!
Please, we need part 2 and this needs to be a mod.
yes part 2 need
I would like to see a part two
I'm making one looks like it
Part 2 please
Hmm I think I should do it
I want to see part 2 but also what happens to the rest of the Commonwealth when britain goes ultranationalist?
part 2 please
The biggest effect would be that the italians would not crush the austrian navy and both together would give the brits a hard time, which would make a full embargo on the central powers impossible which alone could lead to a victory.
Part 2 we are interested
Wow impressive calendar, do you sleep sometimes ?
This is impressive? I'm just beginning!
Part 2 is indeed required
Can you do what if the Hohenzollerns succesfully tolk Spain, and Hohenzollern Spain join the Central Powers?
A lil trolling but a part 2 would be cool
I love your slavic accent. I'm also a slav. But your accent is more Yugoslavic compared to mine Zapadoslavic. 😃😃
I have a heavy accent and I'm working on it heavily. In the future I will improve
@@rewriting-history You don't have to improve it! It perfectly shows your ethnicity which is the best thing about us humans.
This is almost similar to Zvalid Video about Central Power wins the WW1. :)
Another thing I find worth mentioning, since Albania was occupied bu the central powers to chase out the serbians, it's likely that either Austria or Italy would at least attempt to install a friendly regime there.
Nice thumbnail
Appreciate it, didn't know if it would work
I’m one of the first! A good video I bet!
Edit: the video was good and never thought one of my favorite UA-camrs would respond to my comment
Appreciate that, hope you liked it!
15:24 to 15:28 Why wasn't Belarus included?
Idk, maybe they would want to stay with Russia, it doesn't change the scenario too much. Many people pointed out, but idk if the Belarusians wanted independence
my question is, why is Sweden-Norway still a thing in this timeline?
Because I forgot to update the map up north and it sort of happened. It's a mapping mistake
Would Portugal and Greece join as historical?
I thought this was a late April fools until I realized that it was central powers and not axis
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Part 2 pls
I want a part 2
Soon I guess
8:45 completely forgot about the Senussi order which irl kicked out the Italians out of most of Libya I see
Same with the dervish order in Somalia, in reality all Italian colonies would be lost before the end of 1914, this isn’t even all that’s wrong with the scenario, the entente would still successfully defend the Marne as they could still outnumber the Germans and the German army would still pivot away from Paris which would open up a gap in their lines, Italy would initially be a sideshow as they could barely even advance against 70,000 Austrians at the izonzo irl what makes you think they could advance against the French in the alps, they would only need a minimal force to hold it and even if they couldn’t they’d sacrifice the land in order to hold Paris
The Italian navy, combined with the Austro Hungarian and even ottoman navies also wouldn’t be able to block off the entente, the French navy alone was massive, and the Germans still wouldn’t be able to beat the British at Jutland, so any French dreadnought force with the help of some British fleets would break any blockade attempt by the central powers
This may be out there, but there was a naval arms race between Greece and the Ottoman Empire in 1913 over the Aegean islands and the Greeks had plans to launch a surprise naval invasion in the Gallipoli Peninsula and capture Constantinople without ever declaring war to force the Ottomans to negotiate, but they never got the opportunity. (Due to the Ottomans negotiating with them anyways). But what if Greece went through with this plan and invaded them?
My source is www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece_during_World_War_I&ved=2ahUKEwi0pq7RkbiFAxUAg4kEHRhIDT4QFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw04S2xsp_GIvhcXU4kA59Z8
Unfortunately I'm not sure if this plan had a name and haven't looked into it much :( sorry.
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I love the thumbnail
Appreciate that, glad it works
Part 2!
Looks like I should start working on it!
Part 2 please 🙏 p
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I will do more for sure! Stay tuned, I have 600+ coins to show
You should make a video on what would happen if the Ottoman Empire never existed
Sounds complicated, but I'll keep it in mind
Part 2?
Can you play do what if the Ottomans won the Russo Turkish war of 1878
P.s I love your videos
I can do it, we will see in the future!
Theoretical Balkan Domination through the existence of Southern Italy
PART 2!!!!
I love your videos, but the non detailed map is always a pain in the ass😭
Non-detailed map? Wdym?
@@rewriting-history i meant that you didn't get Venice, west Austria, and the lands piemont had before giving them to France, the rest is pretty ok
If I had money, I would have bought the book.
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@@rewriting-history Thanks
Lore of What if Italy joined the Central Powers? Momentum 100
Hmm now how does Italy joining the Central Powers make Sweden-Norway survive huh Reqriting History *cough cough cough* Sweden Norway still exist in the map you show even after the great war
Hahahahahahaha! Damn how did I mess that up so badly? Damn, sorry my bad, didn't even realise that...
Why would Germany become more authoritarian? During the war the SPD already had a vast majority and they had been pushing for constitutional reform for ages
I assume they would become more authoritarian because of the territories they need to occupy
@@rewriting-history why would that happen this way mow ? the SPD rose in the past because of the internal protests against the annexation of Alsace Lorraines french parts. And the existing constituion includes siege paragraphs that make this pretty easy. The german empire legally was basically an autocracy but the empire had to cave to the parties again and again because the population never supported that.
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PART 2!!!!!!
The thumbnail perfectly resembles what is reality
Appreciate that you liked it, didn't think people would
Part two supporters
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The most unrealistic part is the Spanish entenring the war and france losing that much land to Italy. I mean i can see them losing border territories and lands lost when Italy was piedmont Sardinia be returned to Italy,but they won't be able to get that much land. At least not in mainland France.
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Italy 1917-1995:😵
Italy 1995-2024: 💪🤧😪
Lol nice one :D
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Make one about I'd italy joined the antant
Italy and Germany have always been natural allies even before they united, their common hostility towards the Habsburg and the major powers in the West made them close allies for much of the late 19th century and even in the first years of the 20th century (Triple Alliance). Unfortunately Germany sought to reconcile with Austria, which basically forced Italy to seek support from France, which had helped the Savoy unite Italy during the Italian Independence Wars.
It's a real shame Italy and Germany didn't stay together, although the two turned out to reconcile soon before WW2.
Facts, we love our German bros.
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Video idea: what if the russian provisional republic never fell, ie what if kerensky (i think that was his name) didnt screw up quite as badly
yes. part 2
Well, looks like I'm making one
Idea: what if ottoman empire won the war with italy in 1480
Expectation:
Reality: Italy gets its ass kicked in the Alps, Ottoman Empire is disgusted with central powers and stays
Away from war. Central powers loose and Italy is screwed... 😂
Expectation: your comment
Reality: Ottomans joins the CP. Greece might to. Italians push past the Alps, French and English get their a... kicked at Marne 🤣
Nah the italian generals would probably mess this up still