It's interesting. Some unconventional ideas and some hits and misses. Can't fault them for trying something slightly different. Feels a bit more like an apartment than boat, and that's not necessarily bad. The build quality speaks for itself. Thanks Toby and Dufor!
I honestly don’t get the negative comments. Not every boat is meant for blue water, world girdling. In fact, the vast majority of mass produced sailboats - boats like this Dufour - are built precisely for the manner in which they’ll be used: hanging with friends in the cockpit, coastal day sailing and cruising with perhaps a night or two away from one’s home port a few times a year. For that, they’re perfectly fine.
Let’s not forget that there are plenty of 40 foot Beneteaus and Bavarias happily going around the world as we speak. Maybe someone forgot to tell those people that their boats are not suitable for that…? It just seems to me that the nay-sayers are sailing mainly here on youtube and in their dreams.
I like the full bow lots. My boat is also near 40 and has some similar features including lots of forward displacement and very similar layout. The kitchen setup is something they will get some pushback on. I think most who cook may have some issues with it. PS, I have the same big windows, awesome in so many ways. Huge views out of every room has lots going for it.
ah ah, i've passed 5 different french macif week-courses on those Dufour, they are more though you could think, they serve all year long, 5 days a week or 10 days for long courses, each week, accross the atlantic and the med. I've took a 7-force gale 3 days in front of Lorient in winter with a 40, it was brutal and the ship was like a charm. But, like in the video : finish and varnish are über fragiles and there is ALWAYS water in the bottoms ! and we never know why, but we must scoop it at the end of each course.
As always you do a good report I noticed the lack of grab rails below and next you mentioned the lack of one on the desk head not a boat for long distance sailing more day sailing and marina at night. Again a good review Toby
It's safe to say that there's not enough safe options to grab to when the boat is heeling. The fiddle by the edge of the table is not enough for elderly people, small children or anyone with any sort of health issues with their hands. You can tell this boat wasn't made to last, too many questionable bulding decisions like that playwood and the lack of space to store the sails you'd use in a passage.
The absence of a chart table is a bit of a zag from most other modern cruisers. The huge hull windows, the mast position, the fridge position in the galley as well as the option for two full cabins both aft and forward on a sub 13m boat are not unique but certainly not standard as a package on any boats of that size.
I can understand the appeal. The boat offers a lot for owners limited to slip availability. The smaller the boat, the easier it is to find a slip it fits in.
Nice design. Instrument panel should be on the wall, not behind saloon sofa. The fridge butting of the galley is strange because it restricts the pathway inside and isolates the sink from the stove. The usual straight galley would have sufficed with a chart table in the corner wall and the instrument panel close by. 👍
Wow, I don't get that galley at all. So I am cooking something at the stove, and want to put the pan in the sink, but I can't reach it without going around the fridge. This would quickly become very annoying. The galley doesnt offer any support when on starboard tack, and would be a dangerous area. No chart table deprives the owner of his/her own private workspace. No sail locker. I think this has been built for the med charter market, but not a good owners boat for northern waters.
Just delivered one of the new dufours to the carribean and will say that they are definetly coastal cruisers and going offshore with one isn’t a good idea.
Not just the water with the exposed plywood Toby, the Caribbean has had some pretty large TermiteSwarms this year, and plywood = Restaurant now open in glowing Neon lights sadly. If I bought one, I think I would get Termite Protection Treatment done tbh, because Termites aren’t just in the Caribbean. In good news, the Termite Colonies in South West England, do appear to have finally been eradicated. 🍻👍⛵️🌟🌟🌟❤️
When consumerism meets sailing. Just say it's just another McGregor. Sailboats should be categorised as cruising boats, racing boats and charter boats like this one.
Thanks for the review. These mass-produced boats are starting to get annoying. While the cabin designs are getting better, the solon and galley designs are getting worse. Production, workmanship and material quality is a separate problem. As we see the problems of the material and workmanship used on the interior, it raises doubts how high quality the boat shell production can be. I think these boats will not be long-lasting and will not be worth the money paid... They are just trying to manipulate the feeling of quality with various design games. They are getting far away from the concept of reliable, quality boat suitable for real marine life. Unfortunately, good boats are at least three or four times more expensive than these. So sad...
When the interior designer of this boat goes to hell, he'll have to cook in that galley on a hard starboard tack for all eternity. Are you really going to need all three heads at once on a 41 footer, even though it has two aft cabins (yet another design flaw)? It could have a really nice chart table in place of one of them.
This vessel is horrible and the only reason it's getting awards or media recognition is that the builder spends a s^it-ton of monthly advertising in the marine trades. That's how many industries work.
Great and objective review! But with these looks and the poor finishing quality it will never be my choice, not even for this very acceptable asking price.
Disappointing, not for me….I’ve got a Jeanneau 41ds and she is gorgeous inside and out and sails beautifully….come on designers surely you can come up with something that owners can be proud of and want to buy…IMO boats need to look like boats not Motorhomes or Caravans inside!
I have some suggestions to the company: 1. They should put it inside the kitchen stove head container. 2. Two toilets/showers are not enough, they should add one more.
@@yachtingworld I guess you don't understand the irony :) You need to ask the designer who put 3 WCs on a 40 FT boat, how many WCs he has in his house, not me! Oh sorry, you are an advertising/promotion channel, you cannot ask such a question.
That's what you get when you mate a bathtub and a caravan.
LOL. Yes, it is ugly at the outside and uninspiring from the inside.
@@SurfinScientist: I agree.
Yup, hideous.
Very detailed review. Nice boat. Thank you, Toby! ⛵⛵
Thank you
It's interesting. Some unconventional ideas and some hits and misses. Can't fault them for trying something slightly different.
Feels a bit more like an apartment than boat, and that's not necessarily bad.
The build quality speaks for itself.
Thanks Toby and Dufor!
The genoa rail of a Dufour 510 in Warnemünde tore out after six months... expensive junk!
@@Lilou34650 Ouch! Not good!
What a fantastic day sailer!
I honestly don’t get the negative comments. Not every boat is meant for blue water, world girdling. In fact, the vast majority of mass produced sailboats - boats like this Dufour - are built precisely for the manner in which they’ll be used: hanging with friends in the cockpit, coastal day sailing and cruising with perhaps a night or two away from one’s home port a few times a year. For that, they’re perfectly fine.
Yes, this does look more like a cruiser for the Med than something for ocean crossings.
Let’s not forget that there are plenty of 40 foot Beneteaus and Bavarias happily going around the world as we speak. Maybe someone forgot to tell those people that their boats are not suitable for that…? It just seems to me that the nay-sayers are sailing mainly here on youtube and in their dreams.
I agree completely with you
Just to prove you right, I bet you see a bunch more of "..what happens when a 50 kt wacks this boat and...." comments
@@Tetsaraku Beneteaus and Bavarias seem a lot more seaworthy.
I like the full bow lots. My boat is also near 40 and has some similar features including lots of forward displacement and very similar layout. The kitchen setup is something they will get some pushback on. I think most who cook may have some issues with it. PS, I have the same big windows, awesome in so many ways. Huge views out of every room has lots going for it.
ah ah, i've passed 5 different french macif week-courses on those Dufour, they are more though you could think, they serve all year long, 5 days a week or 10 days for long courses, each week, accross the atlantic and the med.
I've took a 7-force gale 3 days in front of Lorient in winter with a 40, it was brutal and the ship was like a charm.
But, like in the video : finish and varnish are über fragiles and there is ALWAYS water in the bottoms ! and we never know why, but we must scoop it at the end of each course.
As always you do a good report I noticed the lack of grab rails below and next you mentioned the lack of one on the desk head not a boat for long distance sailing more day sailing and marina at night. Again a good review Toby
Thanks Andrew
I thought the super-wide angle footage, up high from the stern and moving forwards was brilliant. Nice smooth camerawork.
Thank you - ok maybe I will try that again to help show the whole boat but I know it can distort the lines and angles a bit
A pure charter boat, and for nothing else.
It's safe to say that there's not enough safe options to grab to when the boat is heeling. The fiddle by the edge of the table is not enough for elderly people, small children or anyone with any sort of health issues with their hands. You can tell this boat wasn't made to last, too many questionable bulding decisions like that playwood and the lack of space to store the sails you'd use in a passage.
What a nonsense comment
Know yea of many elderly people who sale?
I love when they talk about the interior design as if it’s the Cistine chapel. It looks indistinguishable from every other modern cruiser.
The absence of a chart table is a bit of a zag from most other modern cruisers. The huge hull windows, the mast position, the fridge position in the galley as well as the option for two full cabins both aft and forward on a sub 13m boat are not unique but certainly not standard as a package on any boats of that size.
I can understand the appeal. The boat offers a lot for owners limited to slip availability. The smaller the boat, the easier it is to find a slip it fits in.
Looks like a floating basement designed by Pontiac Aztec.
Love it
Nice design. Instrument panel should be on the wall, not behind saloon sofa. The fridge butting of the galley is strange because it restricts the pathway inside and isolates the sink from the stove. The usual straight galley would have sufficed with a chart table in the corner wall and the instrument panel close by. 👍
Love love love! I wonder how any modern boat doesn’t come standard in mast main furler however?
Lot of roach
Wow, I don't get that galley at all. So I am cooking something at the stove, and want to put the pan in the sink, but I can't reach it without going around the fridge. This would quickly become very annoying. The galley doesnt offer any support when on starboard tack, and would be a dangerous area. No chart table deprives the owner of his/her own private workspace. No sail locker. I think this has been built for the med charter market, but not a good owners boat for northern waters.
All of these monohulls kinda blend together imo.
Just delivered one of the new dufours to the carribean and will say that they are definetly coastal cruisers and going offshore with one isn’t a good idea.
Not just the water with the exposed plywood Toby, the Caribbean has had some pretty large TermiteSwarms this year, and plywood = Restaurant now open in glowing Neon lights sadly. If I bought one, I think I would get Termite Protection Treatment done tbh, because Termites aren’t just in the Caribbean. In good news, the Termite Colonies in South West England, do appear to have finally been eradicated. 🍻👍⛵️🌟🌟🌟❤️
👍
How many hatches and ports might leak in 10 years time?
Stunning looking yacht, with absolutely amazing style, but that galley is a disconnected fail.
Is your wrist ok Toby?
OK watched again seems like a nice rv if you put wheels on it. Hot mess for that much $$$
When consumerism meets sailing. Just say it's just another McGregor. Sailboats should be categorised as cruising boats, racing boats and charter boats like this one.
Thanks for the review. These mass-produced boats are starting to get annoying. While the cabin designs are getting better, the solon and galley designs are getting worse. Production, workmanship and material quality is a separate problem. As we see the problems of the material and workmanship used on the interior, it raises doubts how high quality the boat shell production can be. I think these boats will not be long-lasting and will not be worth the money paid... They are just trying to manipulate the feeling of quality with various design games. They are getting far away from the concept of reliable, quality boat suitable for real marine life. Unfortunately, good boats are at least three or four times more expensive than these. So sad...
When the interior designer of this boat goes to hell, he'll have to cook in that galley on a hard starboard tack for all eternity.
Are you really going to need all three heads at once on a 41 footer, even though it has two aft cabins (yet another design flaw)? It could have a really nice chart table in place of one of them.
This vessel is horrible and the only reason it's getting awards or media recognition is that the builder spends a s^it-ton of monthly advertising in the marine trades. That's how many industries work.
Great and objective review!
But with these looks and the poor finishing quality it will never be my choice, not even for this very acceptable asking price.
Disappointing, not for me….I’ve got a Jeanneau 41ds and she is gorgeous inside and out and sails beautifully….come on designers surely you can come up with something that owners can be proud of and want to buy…IMO boats need to look like boats not Motorhomes or Caravans inside!
I have some suggestions to the company:
1. They should put it inside the kitchen stove head container.
2. Two toilets/showers are not enough, they should add one more.
How many toilets and showers do you have at home?! Now think of your home in 40ft
@@yachtingworld I guess you don't understand the irony :)
You need to ask the designer who put 3 WCs on a 40 FT boat, how many WCs he has in his house, not me!
Oh sorry, you are an advertising/promotion channel, you cannot ask such a question.
Those large hull windows 🤮🤦
3 heads? You'd have to be full of shit to buy that lay out
Terrible, like all current boats from the big manufacturers!
100K youghurt cup, I`d never take the cup across anything more than a belt....
Man that thing is ugly
It looks incredibly uncomfortable at sea. Be nice downwind, but punching into a sea
Looks like iron 😂