While at Scarborough High School ran up and down Sugerloaf Hill a few times on cross country run to Trigg Island (when it was an island). Running up and down that sand hill and Jacob's Ladder in King's Park is where Herb got his stamina and endurance. He was always happy to be in 5th or 6th postion (depending on the pace) until about one and a half laps from the finish line. At was a pity Herb didn't run in the '62 Empire Games in his hometown, Perth.
It's interesting to see the comments that Elliott was the best for his time, and how more recent runners have covers 1,500 meters faster. Times keep falling because training and nutrition programs improve and to compare a runner from the 60's to one from the present can't be done by their times. The only ture test is their competitive records and with that yardstick no one has or will pass Ellistt. From his first race to his last he was never beaten at 1,500 meters or the mile run. That record can only ever be equaled but never surpassed.
Artificial tracks make a big difference in performance. Arthur Lydiard opined that artificial tracks lower times a second per lap. Shortly after artificial tracks became commonplace, world records generally fell within his prediction, about a second for the 400, about two seconds for the 800, and so on.
@@jim2376 The latest Mondo tracks are probably at least 1/2 a second a lap faster than the 80's tracks. So that's 6 seconds for 1500m. Then the super shoes are probably another 2 seconds or more. So it's plausible that he ran the equivalent today of 3:27, without any of the modern training methods. He also went into the Rome final with a sore throat and swollen glands. Not to mention he was still only 22 and probably some way from his peak, but alas retired soon after.
@@okina53 Your father's coach, Mihaly Igloi, was my coach before I transferred to Oregon and competed there. Igloi used to tell us about your dad, Tabori, and Iharos. Congratulation to your dad.
From the mid-1960s Herb and Ron Clarke - two Australians on the other side of the world - were my joint favourite runners of all time, and possibly remain so. Both confident brave men who hit the front early and stayed there. In 1968 I was fortunate to own a first print first edition (sadly now long disposed of) of Percy Cerutty's (Herb's coach) book 'Be Fit or be Damned!' which set out in detail his training schedules, which included brutal reps. sprinting up Portsea's sand dunes. A training regime very likely considered as being far too strenuous for many of today's world class runners. The brief published interviews of Herb suggest that he was a modest, quiet, down to earth chap. A man who you can't help but wish that you had met along life's way. I still love him over 60 years on.
setting a world record in an olympic final is just absolutely insane. that would be like someone winning the olympics in 3:25 today. just absolutely unfathomable. what a legend
Incredible that Elliott effectively retired after these Olympics, aged just 22. Goodness knows what he would have done to the 1500m/Mile world records over the next few years had he carried on. And Elliott v Snell at the 1964 Olympics would have been a classic race.
@@richardmilliken8705 yes but Snell broke Elliot's world record over the mile - so I don't think we can go solely off times. Agree it would have been a great race if Elliot had been at the 1964 Games - we will never know... (as a Kiwi obviously I will say Snell😀)
Notice that your names are spelled differently? He's no relative of yours. He lived about a mile from me. I met him a few times. Good that he inspired you though. He was a great athlete who retired too early
3:35 in 1960. I guess the commentator was justified in saying that Herb Elliot (at that time) was the greatest middle distance runner. Only Nurmi and El Gerrouj come to mind ... followed by others I'm sure. Still think the mile should be the blue ribbon event.
Guess what, Elliot was “undercooked” in fitness at this time! His words. He took time off end 1958 into 1959.Greatest of all time? At the time, yes. Then.. Snell, Keino, Ryan, many others. Elliot only person never beaten in 1500 or Mile but a short career, retired 22 yrs, well before full natural strength. Image if he.....These amateur guys were amazing......
In one video of this race,just after Jazy had finished you can see him mumble something to himself and shake his head as if to say" I tried my best but while Elliott's there,I'm done " !
To think that a handful of americans have reached 3:36.2 consistently since then. Tons are having trouble getting the qualifying standard and this man in 1960 ran 3:35.6
+LightSnowOvernight I think you'll find that he lost a mile in around 4.10 (?) when he came to Cambridge University to study shortly after he'd retired from international competition
Might be true, but I wouldn't count that against his record if it happened after he retired. How many years after his retirement did this supposedly take place?
I suspect if you put all the World record milers past and present at their peak,in a race together ,Elliot would come first .I reckon he was the greatest miler/1500 meter runner in history.I think he only lost one half mile(880 yards) when he was tired after winning a mile race before.Check up on that if you will.
Herb lost quite a few 880yd races. Brian Hewson famously beat him in London in 1958, and I'm sure Tony Blue and Peter Snell also beat him. I saw Herb run in Manchester UK in 1960. He won!
What if, how much quicker would he have run on today's tracks,how much quicker with today's coaching and diets,and how much quicker would he have run with the massive prize money and advertisement money that the champions today get.
Regarding "today's coaching and diets", I think he already had that figured out. Percy Cerutty (his coach) was a genius coach -- sandhills and nothing but flat-out hard work... Cerutty very rarely timed his athletes or put them out to be a slave against the stopwatch. Elliott's diet was raw, natural, and is what everyone seems to finally be waking up to now.
Greatest of all time? That's an impossibility. The best one can claim is best in history. All time would include the future which we know nothing about.
@@andrewmcdonald6780. Snell smashed Elliott 1500 metres record and won the Tokyo Olympic 1500 metres in record time and was accused of "not trying". Its a common belief that Elliot retired so he wouldn't have to race Snell despite numerous opportunities.
Is it a common belief in NZ MrRodgers246? , Snell won the Tokyo Gold Medal in a time of 3.38.1 how is that a record????? From the reference sources I have Snell NEVER held the 1500m world record and his best time was 2 seconds outside Elliott's, happy to be PROVEN wrong of course!
@@andrewmcdonald6780 As you can see by the fabrications here, is pointless discussing anything with a kiwi. They are mentally disadvantaged and proud of it.
Elliot said that he could see nowhere else to go, running ceased to be a challenge for him, that is why he stopped running. He won the Olympics 1500m by the greatest margin of all time. Over his career he decimated the world records for the mile and 1500m to such an extent that has never been bettered. In his 6 year professional career he was not once beaten in the 1500m or the mile.
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While at Scarborough High School ran up and down Sugerloaf Hill a few times on cross country run to Trigg Island (when it was an island).
Running up and down that sand hill and Jacob's Ladder in King's Park is where Herb got his stamina and endurance.
He was always happy to be in 5th or 6th postion (depending on the pace) until about one and a half laps from the finish line.
At was a pity Herb didn't run in the '62 Empire Games in his hometown, Perth.
3”35 in 1960/3”50 in 2016. What an incredible time for their clothing , spikes and track . Incredible
Their?
It's interesting to see the comments that Elliott was the best for his time, and how more recent runners have covers 1,500 meters faster. Times keep falling because training and nutrition programs improve and to compare a runner from the 60's to one from the present can't be done by their times. The only ture test is their competitive records and with that yardstick no one has or will pass Ellistt. From his first race to his last he was never beaten at 1,500 meters or the mile run. That record can only ever be equaled but never surpassed.
Artificial tracks make a big difference in performance. Arthur Lydiard opined that artificial tracks lower times a second per lap. Shortly after artificial tracks became commonplace, world records generally fell within his prediction, about a second for the 400, about two seconds for the 800, and so on.
@@jim2376 The latest Mondo tracks are probably at least 1/2 a second a lap faster than the 80's tracks. So that's 6 seconds for 1500m. Then the super shoes are probably another 2 seconds or more. So it's plausible that he ran the equivalent today of 3:27, without any of the modern training methods. He also went into the Rome final with a sore throat and swollen glands. Not to mention he was still only 22 and probably some way from his peak, but alas retired soon after.
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@@okina53 Your father's coach, Mihaly Igloi, was my coach before I transferred to Oregon and competed there.
Igloi used to tell us about your dad, Tabori, and Iharos. Congratulation to your dad.
From the mid-1960s Herb and Ron Clarke - two Australians on the other side of the world - were my joint favourite runners of all time, and possibly remain so. Both confident brave men who hit the front early and stayed there.
In 1968 I was fortunate to own a first print first edition (sadly now long disposed of) of Percy Cerutty's (Herb's coach) book 'Be Fit or be Damned!' which set out in detail his training schedules, which included brutal reps. sprinting up Portsea's sand dunes. A training regime very likely considered as being far too strenuous for many of today's world class runners.
The brief published interviews of Herb suggest that he was a modest, quiet, down to earth chap. A man who you can't help but wish that you had met along life's way.
I still love him over 60 years on.
Herb never competed in major competition after 1960.
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Great runner. One of the best Middle distance runners in the history. It's a pity that he finished his career with only 22 years.
I've got my gold, now off to study at Cambridge...
setting a world record in an olympic final is just absolutely insane. that would be like someone winning the olympics in 3:25 today. just absolutely unfathomable. what a legend
Incredible that Elliott effectively retired after these Olympics, aged just 22. Goodness knows what he would have done to the 1500m/Mile world records over the next few years had he carried on. And Elliott v Snell at the 1964 Olympics would have been a classic race.
Strange to retire at such a young age . Maybe "afraid" of losing?
@@ashsol2657 To whom? Snell? What was Snell's best time over 1500m?
@@McMoidart Two seconds slower at 3:37. Elliott wasn't even pushed in this race. He had the potential to run under 3:32 for the 1500m.
@@richardmilliken8705 yes but Snell broke Elliot's world record over the mile - so I don't think we can go solely off times. Agree it would have been a great race if Elliot had been at the 1964 Games - we will never know... (as a Kiwi obviously I will say Snell😀)
@@richardtrass you are a f'ing idiot
He was a relative of mine. A source of inspiration since I was a child.
Notice that your names are spelled differently? He's no relative of yours. He lived about a mile from me. I met him a few times. Good that he inspired you though. He was a great athlete who retired too early
@@malcolmmay6088 I think you May be a total imbecile
@@malcolmmay6088 Do you identify with Malcolm Turdbull you pretentious wanker?
@@malcolmmay6088 the title spells it wrong muppet
Great! He was number 1 miler in History I think and that includes Hichem,Seb,Ovett et al. Herb was unbeatable .
A staggering time he set for that year and considering he retired at only 22, near his peak one wonders what he could have done, a brilliant athlete
At the time the Sports Illustrated story called this "the greatest race a man ever ran."
3:26 has been the record since 1998. His record stood for 7 years. Pretty good. Broken by Jim Ryun in 1967
One thing we can be fairly sure about is that Elliot was a clean athlete. The record set in 1998 is shrouded in doubt regarding EPO.
Not a bad world-class miler. ... Olympic gold. World record. ... Never lost. Retired at 22!
Ol' Herb was really buyin' it in the homestraight...but so was everyone else. That race put the hurt on everybody.
Not sure he ever raced Peter Snell over 1500m - that really would have been something!
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3:35 in 1960. I guess the commentator was justified in saying that Herb Elliot (at that time) was the greatest middle distance runner. Only Nurmi and El Gerrouj come to mind ... followed by others I'm sure. Still think the mile should be the blue ribbon event.
Bear in mind that, after age 15, Elliott (the thread title spells it incorrectly) never lost a mile or 1500m race.
Ever.
Thank you for the confirmation. What age did he retire?
I think Herb Elliot retired at 22 years of age..
Sebastion Coe's that short list :)
@@lanagorgeous9485 and Steve Ovett.
I saw a comment in a YT about the 1968 1500 said that Keino won in the greatest margin ever. I think Herb won by more. What do you think?
Michael Jazy. If my memory serves me right, had some close races with Peter Snell.
Guess what, Elliot was “undercooked” in fitness at this time! His words. He took time off end 1958 into 1959.Greatest of all time? At the time, yes. Then.. Snell, Keino, Ryan, many others. Elliot only person never beaten in 1500 or Mile but a short career, retired 22 yrs, well before full natural strength. Image if he.....These amateur guys were amazing......
@@mathematics5573 No..... you are trying to write the future in the past.
On a cinder track as well. Even El Guerrouj would have had a job to beat this man.
Michael Jazy of France 2nd!...future world record holder!
In one video of this race,just after Jazy had finished you can see him mumble something to himself and shake his head as if to say" I tried my best but while Elliott's there,I'm done " !
He was not on top form this day as he had been feeling unwell but said to himself I am going to make it look like there is nothing wrong with me.
To think that a handful of americans have reached 3:36.2 consistently since then. Tons are having trouble getting the qualifying standard and this man in 1960 ran 3:35.6
Jeremy Schlichting ON CINDERS!!
I don't recall Snell ever racing Jazy who made the mistake of opting for the 5,000 metres in Tokyo.
awesome!
I may be wrong, but I think Elliot never lost
+woosung58 He never lost a mile or a 1,500, going back to his schoolboy days.
+LightSnowOvernight I think you'll find that he lost a mile in around 4.10 (?) when he came to Cambridge University to study shortly after he'd retired from international competition
Might be true, but I wouldn't count that against his record if it happened after he retired. How many years after his retirement did this supposedly take place?
as an update, his 1960 Oly time was 15 seconds faster than the Rio Oly winning time (which was the slowest since the 1932 Olympics)
No he did not... he retired from competition after being at Cambridge for just a bit. Ran a few close races there, but never lost.
Michel Bernard leading the pack. Great runner !
you missed the point
Sorry, first round, Michel Bernard was leading the pack...
is the guy from the movie Chariots of Fire ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
No
I suspect if you put all the World record milers past and present at their peak,in a race together ,Elliot would come first .I reckon he was the greatest miler/1500 meter runner in history.I think he only lost one half mile(880 yards) when he was tired after winning a mile race before.Check up on that if you will.
Herb lost quite a few 880yd races. Brian Hewson famously beat him in London in 1958, and I'm sure Tony Blue and Peter Snell also beat him.
I saw Herb run in Manchester UK in 1960. He won!
Snell beat Elliott in an 880 yd race right after the Rome Oly games. In that race, Ron Delany was 2nd, Elliott third.
Read the "Herb Eliot Story" , he lost a 2 miler.
if they were all at their peak,ovett would have outgunned all of them
@@joemcm1 Yes I agree 100% By the time he was 22 years old he was done.He could not outdo perfection and he lost the hunger.
Michel Jazy. Rest In Peace. Repose en Paix. 1st fevrier 2024.
Today Herb Elliot. Tomorrow Oliver Hoare.
Retired at 22
Bravo à Michel Jazy qui a su maintenir sa 2é place.
nice
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Could herb elliot have run 3.26? Probably.
Cindervtrack 😂
800m EM women final Athens 1969 UA-cam
What if, how much quicker would he have run on today's tracks,how much quicker with today's coaching and diets,and how much quicker would he have run with the massive prize money and advertisement money that the champions today get.
Regarding "today's coaching and diets", I think he already had that figured out. Percy Cerutty (his coach) was a genius coach -- sandhills and nothing but flat-out hard work... Cerutty very rarely timed his athletes or put them out to be a slave against the stopwatch. Elliott's diet was raw, natural, and is what everyone seems to finally be waking up to now.
In 1960 liepen ze dus ook al 3.35 !! Zoveel is de mensheid nog niet vooruit gekomen dus..
elliott with 2 ts
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Greatest of all time? That's an impossibility. The best one can claim is best in history. All time would include the future which we know nothing about.
Take your demon philosophy elsewhere!
Snell would have beaten him. That's why he retired before the 1962 Commonwealth Games
Yet Snell never ran a 1500m within 2 sec of Herb's time, or am I wrong??? Jon Konrads strange name for a Kiwi!
@@andrewmcdonald6780. Snell smashed Elliott 1500 metres record and won the Tokyo Olympic 1500 metres in record time and was accused of "not trying". Its a common belief that Elliot retired so he wouldn't have to race Snell despite numerous opportunities.
Is it a common belief in NZ MrRodgers246? , Snell won the Tokyo Gold Medal in a time of 3.38.1 how is that a record????? From the reference sources I have Snell NEVER held the 1500m world record and his best time was 2 seconds outside Elliott's, happy to be PROVEN wrong of course!
@@andrewmcdonald6780 As you can see by the fabrications here, is pointless discussing anything with a kiwi. They are mentally disadvantaged and proud of it.
Elliot said that he could see nowhere else to go, running ceased to be a challenge for him, that is why he stopped running. He won the Olympics 1500m by the greatest margin of all time. Over his career he decimated the world records for the mile and 1500m to such an extent that has never been bettered. In his 6 year professional career he was not once beaten in the 1500m or the mile.
Ahc63 they never raced each other over mile or 1500m.only over 800m. Whichsnell won
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