I watched your videos. I googled alot of things, then I went to the Hornbach and I flilled my room with 9 x 16 cm deep 120x60 absorber panels filled with rockwool. Im very happy with the results. I've heard more detail in reference music than ever before. I filled about 15% of the surface area of my room with absorbers, placed the speakers and sub on the 38% point and I use sonarworks. I couldnt sleep last night; I was listening for hours, as if all the music was presented to me for the first time. Thank you!
Jesco is the man! I have to admit that for a period of time I was captured by how COOL a bunch of skyline diffusers would look in the back of my room - even though this video nails down my room: problem = low end. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed :)
If you have frequency drops in the low end it will help, you should measure your room with REW and a measuring microphone, or have a good guess while listening.
This video was very helpful breaking down diffusers! I dont need it for my home studio but I know how to use it in my Live room at my commercial studio. I would like a video on how to build diffusers to treat the right frequencies
In my 10 1/2 x 12 1/2 home studio and drum tracking room, I had to compromise on both diffusion and bass trapping. I needed to maximize the space I had to fit the drums and other gear into the room so my bass traps are in the corners (GIK tri traps) on the ceiling as clouds (4" deep and 4" off of the ceiling) and as three freestanding gobos (4" thick) that I can move around the drums while tracking and put in the first reflection points when mixing. But I did some tweaks to the traps... the flat wall behind my speakers and opposite the drums has a large pair of Gik 4" bass traps, but with their diffusion plates... this scatters enough of the high frequencies from the drums that I no longer hear any comb filtering. I also have range limiters in the corner bass traps behind the drums to keep the room from being too dead. Overall it seems to be working well and my drum recordings sound very good, albeit a bit dry since the room is so small and controlled.... which is where room modeling plugins come in! :)
Always great content- and this one is especially helpful! The 'right tool for the job' question is really fundamental as you said. Most of us are indeed working in small rooms and your logic makes a lot of sense.
Nice video. Thanks. First, I am a music fan & not a mixer, producer or podcaster. My system is Vintage high end. I am new to room treatments. I have a multi-use room with a 5.2 surround sound system in it. am not sure where to start with treting this room which measures 18" long x 20" deep & 8" high. The walls are concrete. I have a 10" x10" Bay window on the left side wall & a 8"x8" cut out in the opposite wall. The rear wall, where the listening position is located, is a few shorer feet shorter than the front wall ehere my stereo is. The back wall leads to the front hallway ^ just around the corner us the back hall. I am leaning on treating the bsck walls first. But I have read that bass trapping is the best place to start. IDK about that because I don't play my music louder than 60db & I don't listen to hard rock. I value & appeciate sny suggestiins you can offer. Spoiler Alert: I ordered 3-4 foot wooden skyline art diifusers. So, I need to be incorporating that into whatever else I add to my walls.
I have a couple 100 pound dogs, things get very dusty and dirty fast. I want to avoid foam and fabric that will become disgusting allergen traps. What are my treatment options?
Thanks nice video! What if we place the diffuser in front of a absorber, not those slats but actual 1D diffuser? Also is it okay to put skyfuser 2D diffuser on the ceiling behind my head and listening position of roughly 2.5 meter high ceiling? So the distance from the head would be around 1.5 meter maybe bit more? It think it has rating of even diffusion from 1KHz and scattering down to 600Hz roughly?
I always see both in your videos and elsewhere vertical panels on your acoustic panels (like the ones behind you in this video). Is there a benefit to using vertical panels over horizontal panels?
Always great videos! Thanks for that. My question here is: According to your statement depth and width [wavenlength/2] defines the effective frequency range of a diffusor. Example of a theoretical diffusor: The lower design frequency is the max depth, let's say it is 10 cm, 20cm wavelength, 1700Hz. But what if the width of the divisions is 10cm, too? Then the diffusors effective frequency range would be 1700 - 1700 Hz ?! According to the Master Handbook of Acoustics the depth = wavelength and width = wavelength / 2. According to a video I don't remember the name, the depth is wavelength /2 and the width is wavelength /4. How can I evalute which is the correct information?
Hey Jesco! Your videos and blog have taught me so much, you make this convoluted information so simple and easy to understand. I just have one question. Due to budget constraints I'm trying to build the panels without the wooden frames. I have seen frameless panel tutorials on youtube but they all use thin and very dense panels. They apply a coat of edge hardener to the corners to make them firm. What density of material would you recommend me to build 20cm deep panels? Can I spray glue two 10cm panels together or will that negatively affect the absorption? Or should I consider buying thinner and denser panels? Thank you mate!
I have several absorbers that I built myself from 1" and 2" thick OC703. I don't have any frame, I simply covered them with fabric which is then glued (3M spray contact cement) on the insides and again on the backs of the absorbers. Then they are just hung like a picture (If you plan ahead you can get some wire glued into the back at the same time....). I also have a few that I used large pieces of cardboard, to which I spray glued 2 layers of 2" Rockwool and again covered with fabric. It doesn't look as nice as one that has clean. sharp edges of a wooden frame, but it weighs a lot less, and frankly cost less to build. They are doing what i needed them to do.
@@MikeKosacek Hey Mike! Thanks for the tips! I saw the frameless builds using the OC703 and edge hardener to create the sharp edges. But I live in portugal and I'm not finding a close match to the OC703 here. I'm also looking to make 6" to 8" inches deep panels and hang them using wall impalers. Did you use the cardboard on the back or the sides?
@@lorenzo4708 just on the back because the rockwool (Johns Manville brand in my case) is not as rigid as the OC703 so this helped to support it, while the fabric held it all together. btw, I just cut black bed sheets from Walmart to cover my traps. I know... probably not fire rated for commercial use, but it's my private studio.
@@MikeKosacek Doesn't the cardboard block the air form bouncing from the wall into the panel again, increasing absorption? Or did you not notice any difference?
So here’s the question that comes to mind: if you have placed a lot of absorption already, where would you place diffusion or front panel diffusion to be most effective?
Hi! I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I gotta ask; my room is roughly 4,5 x 9,5 metres. Still to small to consider diffusion? Say, on the back wall? I feel like my low end is sorted.
My room is a square with 8*8*8 and i have covered the 4 parallel walls with end to end rockwool but the roof portion and the ground is left and i dont have rockwool left so when im clapping flutter echo is coming so should i use a dIY SKYLINE DIFFUSER so it diffuse the freq which is bouncing between the roof and ground ! Will it work
Just want you to know that I'm listening and I trust what you are saying .....I bought the book masters of acoustics ...you will probably realise if you listen to my recordings....they needed a bit of help.....but I recorded most of them on cassette 4 track in the 90s.....doesn't excuse me for my bad musicianship or songwriting.....most of my mixes were done in a 10 x 11 room....but in headphones.......Beyer DT 770 pro
I watched your videos. I googled alot of things, then I went to the Hornbach and I flilled my room with 9 x 16 cm deep 120x60 absorber panels filled with rockwool. Im very happy with the results. I've heard more detail in reference music than ever before. I filled about 15% of the surface area of my room with absorbers, placed the speakers and sub on the 38% point and I use sonarworks. I couldnt sleep last night; I was listening for hours, as if all the music was presented to me for the first time. Thank you!
maybee if you can give us pic of your room now it will help to do the same thing thanks
Jesco is the man! I have to admit that for a period of time I was captured by how COOL a bunch of skyline diffusers would look in the back of my room - even though this video nails down my room: problem = low end. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed :)
Does this same advice apply to listening room / home theater or does the studio application deaden the sound too much?
If you have frequency drops in the low end it will help, you should measure your room with REW and a measuring microphone, or have a good guess while listening.
Dude, this video helped me so much. I was going to build a diffuser but now I know it isn’t going to work for my room. Thanks a lot 😊
This video was very helpful breaking down diffusers! I dont need it for my home studio but I know how to use it in my Live room at my commercial studio. I would like a video on how to build diffusers to treat the right frequencies
Jesco, which frequency range your design diffuses?
In my 10 1/2 x 12 1/2 home studio and drum tracking room, I had to compromise on both diffusion and bass trapping. I needed to maximize the space I had to fit the drums and other gear into the room so my bass traps are in the corners (GIK tri traps) on the ceiling as clouds (4" deep and 4" off of the ceiling) and as three freestanding gobos (4" thick) that I can move around the drums while tracking and put in the first reflection points when mixing. But I did some tweaks to the traps... the flat wall behind my speakers and opposite the drums has a large pair of Gik 4" bass traps, but with their diffusion plates... this scatters enough of the high frequencies from the drums that I no longer hear any comb filtering.
I also have range limiters in the corner bass traps behind the drums to keep the room from being too dead. Overall it seems to be working well and my drum recordings sound very good, albeit a bit dry since the room is so small and controlled.... which is where room modeling plugins come in! :)
Always great content- and this one is especially helpful! The 'right tool for the job' question is really fundamental as you said. Most of us are indeed working in small rooms and your logic makes a lot of sense.
Nice video. Thanks.
First, I am a music fan & not a mixer, producer or podcaster.
My system is Vintage high end.
I am new to room treatments. I have a multi-use room with a 5.2 surround sound system in it.
am not sure where to start with treting this room which measures 18" long x 20" deep & 8" high. The walls are concrete. I have a 10" x10" Bay window on the left side wall & a 8"x8" cut out in the opposite wall.
The rear wall, where the listening position is located, is a few shorer feet shorter than the front wall ehere my stereo is.
The back wall leads to the front hallway ^ just around the corner us the back hall.
I am leaning on treating the bsck walls first. But I have read that bass trapping is the best place to start.
IDK about that because I don't play my music louder than 60db & I don't listen to hard rock.
I value & appeciate sny suggestiins you can offer.
Spoiler Alert: I ordered 3-4 foot wooden skyline art diifusers.
So, I need to be incorporating that into whatever else I add to my walls.
What is a diffuser, what does it look like, what is a well?
...I wish that there were multiple images here for context & comparison.
I have a couple 100 pound dogs, things get very dusty and dirty fast. I want to avoid foam and fabric that will become disgusting allergen traps. What are my treatment options?
Thanks nice video!
What if we place the diffuser in front of a absorber, not those slats but actual 1D diffuser?
Also is it okay to put skyfuser 2D diffuser on the ceiling behind my head and listening position of roughly 2.5 meter high ceiling?
So the distance from the head would be around 1.5 meter maybe bit more?
It think it has rating of even diffusion from 1KHz and scattering down to 600Hz roughly?
I always see both in your videos and elsewhere vertical panels on your acoustic panels (like the ones behind you in this video). Is there a benefit to using vertical panels over horizontal panels?
Always great videos! Thanks for that.
My question here is: According to your statement depth and width [wavenlength/2] defines the effective frequency range of a diffusor.
Example of a theoretical diffusor: The lower design frequency is the max depth, let's say it is 10 cm, 20cm wavelength, 1700Hz. But what if the width of the divisions is 10cm, too? Then the diffusors effective frequency range would be 1700 - 1700 Hz ?!
According to the Master Handbook of Acoustics the depth = wavelength and width = wavelength / 2.
According to a video I don't remember the name, the depth is wavelength /2 and the width is wavelength /4.
How can I evalute which is the correct information?
Great video!
Could you explain what you mean by small room and large room ?
Hey Jesco! Your videos and blog have taught me so much, you make this convoluted information so simple and easy to understand. I just have one question.
Due to budget constraints I'm trying to build the panels without the wooden frames. I have seen frameless panel tutorials on youtube but they all use thin and very dense panels. They apply a coat of edge hardener to the corners to make them firm.
What density of material would you recommend me to build 20cm deep panels? Can I spray glue two 10cm panels together or will that negatively affect the absorption? Or should I consider buying thinner and denser panels? Thank you mate!
I have several absorbers that I built myself from 1" and 2" thick OC703. I don't have any frame, I simply covered them with fabric which is then glued (3M spray contact cement) on the insides and again on the backs of the absorbers. Then they are just hung like a picture (If you plan ahead you can get some wire glued into the back at the same time....). I also have a few that I used large pieces of cardboard, to which I spray glued 2 layers of 2" Rockwool and again covered with fabric. It doesn't look as nice as one that has clean. sharp edges of a wooden frame, but it weighs a lot less, and frankly cost less to build. They are doing what i needed them to do.
@@MikeKosacek Hey Mike! Thanks for the tips! I saw the frameless builds using the OC703 and edge hardener to create the sharp edges. But I live in portugal and I'm not finding a close match to the OC703 here. I'm also looking to make 6" to 8" inches deep panels and hang them using wall impalers. Did you use the cardboard on the back or the sides?
I'm going this deep because I want to reduce the 125Hz peak in my room but also dampen enough of the reverberations so that I can record foley.
@@lorenzo4708 just on the back because the rockwool (Johns Manville brand in my case) is not as rigid as the OC703 so this helped to support it, while the fabric held it all together. btw, I just cut black bed sheets from Walmart to cover my traps. I know... probably not fire rated for commercial use, but it's my private studio.
@@MikeKosacek Doesn't the cardboard block the air form bouncing from the wall into the panel again, increasing absorption? Or did you not notice any difference?
What about for a larger living room? About 21x14
Thanks again Jesco.
So here’s the question that comes to mind: if you have placed a lot of absorption already, where would you place diffusion or front panel diffusion to be most effective?
Hi! I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I gotta ask; my room is roughly 4,5 x 9,5 metres. Still to small to consider diffusion? Say, on the back wall? I feel like my low end is sorted.
Too small room 4.5x9.5m? Thats like 40m2 .Thats huge room or am i missing something ?
@@nevencovic2804 No, that's about right. Problem is, that it has standard ceiling height (2,4m-ish).
@@jesperjacobsen2463 my room is 4x5x2.7m
Try so called abfuser. A mix of both world. Absorbing but not killing the freqs
My room is a square with 8*8*8 and i have covered the 4 parallel walls with end to end rockwool but the roof portion and the ground is left and i dont have rockwool left so when im clapping flutter echo is coming so should i use a dIY SKYLINE DIFFUSER so it diffuse the freq which is bouncing between the roof and ground ! Will it work
Just want you to know that I'm listening and I trust what you are saying .....I bought the book masters of acoustics ...you will probably realise if you listen to my recordings....they needed a bit of help.....but I recorded most of them on cassette 4 track in the 90s.....doesn't excuse me for my bad musicianship or songwriting.....most of my mixes were done in a 10 x 11 room....but in headphones.......Beyer DT 770 pro
I hear a little bit of sweet Persian accent, am I right? btw, I really enjoy and learn a lot! thanks for that!
He’s German