@@torpmorp1324 You're right, some parts belong to Scandinavia but Finland is not a Scandinavian country by the strictest definition. In the video we say that probably at some point some Finn was a Viking. However it's great that you repeat what we said to make it even clearer. 😜😉
This is true. When talking about vikings people usually mean the sea traveling, europe-robbing warriors. Finns didn't really get into that: otherwise the culture in iron age Finland and Vikings was pretty similar. We did trading with the vikings.
Alotin äsken kattomaan ensimmäisestä videosta, tykkäsin toisen kohdalla ja katoin sitten loputkin. Vaikee pitää resting bitch facea yllä kun kattoo teidän videoita :D Puhutte kyllä aika hyvin suomea ja tiedätte myös erikoisempiakin sanoja, painotukset on vaan välillä mielenkiintoisia. :) Odotan tulevia videoita, jatkakaa samaan malliin
Nauroin niin paljon noita videokuvaan liittyviä selostajan kommentteja 😂 Todella hyvä video - tuo ensimmäinen on sellainen väärä kuva, joka on monella suomalaisellakin. Kiva, että opetatte muita 😃
Scandinavia Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Nordic countries are: Finland🇫🇮 Sweden🇸🇪 Norway🇸🇯Denmark🇩🇰and Iceland 🇮🇸 All of them are members of Nordic council.
Our dna is different than anywhere else in EU, none knows where our language came. We came from europe but our language is a mystery. We are the only nation in EU who has Sisu. Sisu is extraordinary persistance, endurance and determination in the face of adversity. Sisu give u willpower, courage, tenecity and indomitable spirit. :)
Our DNA is well documented: in a nutshell, half'n' half of latter neolithic caspian/uralic tribes and bronze-age germanic *gasp* immigrants!. Language also thoroughly researched:one of the last surviving branches of Uralic languages. No need to go into mythology, we know where we come from.
The Sami are not the only indigenous people in Europe. They are the only one the European Union gave that status. That's a BIG difference. The Sami needed the status to protect their livelyhood and culture. The Sami forefathers are currently thought living in Finland since about 1500 BC. Genetic studies have shown they are more closely related to Samoyed Nganasan people than any other European people. The Nganasans are held most alike to Paleo-Siberian peoples of the currently living peoples. Therefore Nganasans were used as the "Siberian component" in the scientific paper which looked into European peoples' genetic distance to ancient Siberian peoples. Ancient Sami (historical Sami lived settlements) DNA had about 50% Siberian admixture, while modern Samis have about 20% to 30%. Modern Finns, Russians, Ukrainians and Moldovans have about 5%. Look for the paper: "Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe"
@KaikuKaiku The first people in Finland were neither Samis nor Finns. Both the genetic Sami and Finns have changed their languages. We still have placenames here in Finland from an earlier language. And if the culture of the Sami or Finns first existed in Finland, we don't know. Currently it is considered that all the Baltic Sea region Finnic speakers spoke somewhat common language, Early Proto-Finnic (varhaiskantasuomi), also known as Finno-Samic in English. It later divided into two major branches, Proto-Samic and Late Proto-Finnic (myöhäiskantasuomi). So the ancestor of Samic languages separated first from the Baltic Sea region Finnic group. But we do not know who these speakers of Proto-Samic were. They could as well be the genetic forefathers of Finns as Samis, or both. A dialect of the Late Proto-Finnic spoken in Finland then evolved into Finnish. I've entertained an idea that in the southernmost part of Finland, the Proto-Samic speakers started to adobt the language spoken in the Baltic Peninsula, and thus Late Proto-Finnic dialect evolved in Finland both as an influence and migration. Instead of Late Proto-Finnic in Finland would have been the language of migrated people only, and Proto-Samic speakers replaced. Also in the Lake Ladoga region something similar happened where the eastern dialect of Late Proto-Finnic evolved. But it is certain that the "indigenous people" label is misleading.
@KaikuKaiku Using "indigenous" is often confusing and misleading. And it is used differently in different parts of the world and in different countries. Your example Iraqi Arabs aren't regarded as indigenous, while Assyrians and Kurds are. According to English Wikipedia "indigenous" means people who have been affected by colonization. It depends for example national or federal legislation, what peoples are regarded as indigenous. Also the United Nations has made a definition of indigenous peoples: they should be pre-invasion people with continuity, and are a non-dominant people. Finnish Wikipedia page uses ILO's definition and lists two reasons for indignous people: a) people who differ from other national peoples and who are governed partly or entirely that people's own customs or special rules and b) people who descend from pre-invasion or pre-colonial era and have maintained some of their cultural, economical, political or social institutions. The EU that recognizes the Sami as the only indigenous people in the EU region (sorry Basques and Sorbs) obviously uses some sort of definition as well. Wikipedia lists indigenous peoples in Europe, these include some of the Uralic peoples: Sami, Samoyeds, Komi, and then Adyghe (Circassians), Crimean Tatars, Krymchaks, Karaites, Basque and Sorbians. There's about 20 to 40 Uralic peoples, depends what you count as a people. Why only 3 are mentioned in Wikipedia regarded as indigenous? Are not the other Uralic peoples in Russia affected by colonization for example? They sure are. However, people have this idea that "indigenous" means the ORIGINAL people of the land. The very term in Finnish (alkperäiskansa) also comes from the original-concept. So it is VERY confusing. In the Americas, or Australia, it is easy to say, that they were colonized by Europeans. However, which American native people lives in their original land? Many of them are conquerors, have migrated, or made to move. And it comes helluva lot more difficult to say who in Europe would be original people of the land. Apparently no-one is, because pretty much all Europe got so much migration during the Neolithic and Chalcolithic era, the make up of European peoples changed profoundly. Or everyone is, because after that there hasn't been major migrations to Europe. What people in Europe have NOT been influenced by invasion? Almost everyone has, certainly the Sami aren't the only one! That is a definition one just can't use in Europe (either). What it all comes to, is politics. The idea of "indigenous people" is to protect ethnic minority groups. You could find some "indigenous peoples" in the Baltic peninsula, or Iberian peninsula, or British Isles, if you had political will to do so. But the definition is also used negative way to label the majority national groups as invaders.
Similar boats were used by all the peoples around the Baltic sea: Scandinavians, continental European Germans, Slavs, Balts and Finnic peoples. They also all practised piracy and raids (the biggest Scandinavian viking settlements were invaded and looted by non-Scandinavian foreign peoples). All the peoples around the Baltic Sea had related religion: prime god was a hammer and/or axe using smith-god related to lightning and oak tree (in fact this god was worshipped in whole pagan western Eurasia (see: Perkwunos), Finnish Ukko is a god of this religion, hammer and axe pendants were commonly in fact used by Finns and Balts). Long distance trading is much older than Viking Age: in Northern Europe it was widely practiced already in the Bronze Age. For example, while western Finnish bronze items are from the Baltic Sea, the Northern and Eastern Finland bronze items are from the Ural mountains Seima and Ananjino cultures. In Finland both the eastern and western bronze cultures met. There are even some Finnic, Baltic and Slavic peoples who are often called as vikings and or pirates (no difference with the two really). These include Estonian Oselian island (in Finnish Saarenmaa) people, Baltic Curonians, Novgorodian Ushkuyniks (who loaned their viking boat name from Finnish uisko boat, uisko = snake) and the Winds/Wends of the Polish coast. Why Finnic, Slavic, Baltic or continental Germanic peoples generally aren't called as vikings, is a matter of language used. Viking name is usually reserved for Norse language speakers. And yeah, popular culture misconceptions. There's also nationalists in Scandinavia who resist the use of vikings for other peoples, and nationalist Finns who don't want to use that word but rather want to emphasize difference. But yeah, you can say so.
The tree of Ukko isn't oak but rowan and he isn't a smith, Ilmarinen is. In the area now known as Finland there have been many different gods/spirits of sky throughout the time. Even the name nowadays used for the Christian God, Jumala, originally belonged to one of them.
@@lottaraatikainen3942 Ukko is definitely the same god as those other thunder-sky-fertility gods on pagan northern Europe. Ilmarinen is thought to be his original name, Ukko and Ilmarinen have same root: both are god, but in Kalevala Ilmarinen is a human, kind of a demi-god, an avatar of the sky-god. Look for Finnish Wikipedia pages of Ilmarinen and Ukko and you find many notes that Ilmarinen was the original, older sky-thunder god, and he is merged with later Ukko, while Ilmarinen became a smith-hero in Finnish mythology." Connections between Ukko and rowan (pihlaja) is very, very thin. Rowan is connected to Rauni-name which may have been a byname of Ukko's, or his wife (Akka, Rauni). Existence of Rauni as a seprate goddess is not well established, it's possible she existed but folklore of her is thin. Oak is connected to this god in Indoeuropean languages because of the word for oak and the first part of the god is similar in Proto-Indoeuropean, both meaning strike (as if thunderstrike). I just did a search in Ancient Runos of Finnish People (Suomen Kansan Vanhat Runot) database, and it has oak mentioned about 500 times. Didn't read yet but about 20 runos and already found runos of mystical burning oak. This might very well be connected to the oaks that lightning hit and set them on fire. But if oak is mentioned as Ukko's tree there, that takes time to research.
@@Aurinkohirvi I don't give much value to Wikipedia articles, I prefer the lessons I had by actual researchers when studying folkloristics in the University of Helsinki ;) Yes, the connection between Ukko and the rowan is thin (Rauni Ukko; rauni=rönn=rowan in Swedish; rowan as the tree of Thor, the Scandinavian thunder deity), but there is no connection whatever between him and the oak. The great oak that has found it's way into Kalevala too may on the other hand have it's roots in reality, in the meteor that struck Saarenmaa in the prehistoric era and probably raised a gigantic cloud of dust that stayed up for days "covering the sun and the moon so it was dark on the ground". And yes, of course all the sky/thunder gods or spirits of the Balto-Fennic-Scandinavian area have much in common because the people in the area had active connections, but they were still different entities in different times and cultures and cannot be grouped under one simplified "thundering smith with oak tree as his emblem" image. We are after all talking about a time when very little if anything was ever written down, stories and beliefs gradually changed when taught from generation to generation, and much was also added and left away. It's good to remember that even the old poems in SKVR are actually at the most about 200 years old. We may find through them echoes of the culture 1000 years ago, but nothing really certain, really free of later modifications.
@@lottaraatikainen3942 The Big Picture is clear: this same god is found from India to Russia to Anatolia to almost whole Europe. But like you said, local traditions differ, and oral tradition although has remarkable resilience do change over time. The god is dated to Chalcolihic era at least with Proto-Indoeuropean language and culture. Finnic people lived as their northern neighbours, the oldest loan word layer in Finnish is Proto-Indoeuropean and it includes words like god (jumala) sky (taivas) and hammer (vasara). That's pretty good evidence to hammer using sky god connection! Ilmarinen (or its forms in local languages) is apparently the oldest name for the god among Finnic peoples, Ukko (old man) is a pseudonyme (an alias) for the god, but apparently became so popular in usage that it often replaces the god's older name (Ilmarinen). The Christian missionaries in Novgorod (or from Novgorod) obviously recognized Ukko is the same god as their Perun and Balt Perkunas, and hence in Christian era Ukko became demozided as the devil, with names Perkele and Piru among Finnish speakers. At least I'm thinking Perkele/Piru are Christian era names because in SKVR database they are found with Christian era runos with other Christian characters, but not with very old runos. The oak tree is according to SKVR database notes connected to the world tree in Finnish mythology. However, I did find the burning oak very interesting concept that easily connects to lightning strikes on oaks. I think there could be links in Finnish mythology also about oak as god's tree. But although this is found in Indoeuropean languages, the connection might not exist in Finnic ones, because the names of the god and the tree are different. Such a connection would not make sense and may have disappeared. Wikipedia is just good to point people (my own information comes from couple of decades books and online texts) and it actually does have sourced information, no point to dismiss Wikipedia as whole: look at each piece of information. And I happen to agree what it says about this Ukko- and Ilmarinen as gods -matter, makes sense.
"Finns are just human even though they don't always seem so" 😂
😆😆😉
Comparing us to humans, that's just, you know- ;)
Props for doing this in finnish :)
Thank you very much! 😃😉
Thank you for the captions for us Deaf viewers.
I knew about penguins and polar bears, but not Chucky 😎
Thank you for the comment! Yep, not many people know about Chucky... fortunately. 😆
So happy to find these videos - you guys have made me laugh out loud several times today
So great to hear! 😍Thank you very much. We really really really appreciate it. Welcome to Almost Finns.
Wow this is actually a really good question to answer. I've always wondered.
Thank you very much Zach! You're the best! We appreciate so much your support!
Zach in Japan well, it’s not entirely true, there were some Finnish vikings too and the north-western parts belong to Scandinavia
@@torpmorp1324 You're right, some parts belong to Scandinavia but Finland is not a Scandinavian country by the strictest definition.
In the video we say that probably at some point some Finn was a Viking. However it's great that you repeat what we said to make it even clearer. 😜😉
@@torpmorp1324 I guess that was due to the Vikings invading Finland?
This is true. When talking about vikings people usually mean the sea traveling, europe-robbing warriors. Finns didn't really get into that: otherwise the culture in iron age Finland and Vikings was pretty similar. We did trading with the vikings.
Thank you for this, it was super accurate! This is the video every non-Finn should see before starting to discuss with a Finn!
Hahaha We agree, Finns always answer the same questions when they go abroad. Thank you very much for the feedback Karen!
Alotin äsken kattomaan ensimmäisestä videosta, tykkäsin toisen kohdalla ja katoin sitten loputkin. Vaikee pitää resting bitch facea yllä kun kattoo teidän videoita :D Puhutte kyllä aika hyvin suomea ja tiedätte myös erikoisempiakin sanoja, painotukset on vaan välillä mielenkiintoisia. :) Odotan tulevia videoita, jatkakaa samaan malliin
On super ihana kuulla! 😍 Kiitos paljon mahtavasta palautteesta! 😃😉
Mahtavaa! Lisää! Lisää!
Paljon kiitoksia! Tulossa pian. 😉
Kiitos creepy boys! 😅
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
ha.. Very entertaining. Great videos.
Great to hear! Thank you very much Roy!
Finns and Vikings did trade. Also finns were hired as mercenaries for raids. This is known.
Suomea with Spanish accent?? 🧐😃
Exactly! It's the ultimate trend in Finland! 😆😄
Okay I'm glad that wasn't my imagination.
So many people think Finland is cold all the time, it's really weird for me because I've only ever been in summer!
So on a Thursday?
Lucky you! Even summer can be freezing cold. 🥶
Almost Finns no, it can’t
@@hossvaldr7025 😂😂😂
I’ve been cold for seven months. I promise, it’s. Almost. Always. Cold.
"Suomalaisetkin on myös ihmisii, vaikkei aina vaikutakaan silt" :D
Nauroin niin paljon noita videokuvaan liittyviä selostajan kommentteja 😂 Todella hyvä video - tuo ensimmäinen on sellainen väärä kuva, joka on monella suomalaisellakin. Kiva, että opetatte muita 😃
Todella hauska
Kiitos paljon Miika!
Welcome to Rosala viking centre in Hiittinen in Finland.
That would be great! Do you think we could do a video there?
@@almostfinns I am sure you can.
@@blackcoffeebeans6100 That's great! Do you work there or know somebody who does?
@@almostfinns No I do not work there, but I googled about it. Also you can see in you tube about it.
@@blackcoffeebeans6100 Ah, good! Thank you very much!
Duolingossa mä opin että "ruotsalainen on viikinki ja suomalainen on velho"
Tosi hyvä selitys! Kiitos kommentista!
There are five scandinavian countries: Finland Island
Norway,Denmark and Sweden.
But scandinavian peninsula
is two countries: NorwY and Sweden.
This video made me happy:D
So great to hear! Thank you so much!
Sulla on aika hyvä suomen kieli 👍
Kiitoksia paljon!
Partly Finland is located on the Scandinavian peninsula.
You're correct Finland is not scandinavia or north germanic, but There were Vikings Aka Iron age Pirates from Baltic and Finnic countries as well.
Scandinavia Sweden, Norway and Denmark.
Nordic countries are: Finland🇫🇮 Sweden🇸🇪
Norway🇸🇯Denmark🇩🇰and Iceland 🇮🇸
All of them are members of Nordic council.
Ot mahtava
Niin ihana kuulla! Kiitos paljon!
Our dna is different than anywhere else in EU, none knows where our language came. We came from europe but our language is a mystery. We are the only nation in EU who has Sisu. Sisu is extraordinary persistance, endurance and determination in the face of adversity. Sisu give u willpower, courage, tenecity and indomitable spirit. :)
Our DNA is well documented: in a nutshell, half'n' half of latter neolithic caspian/uralic tribes and bronze-age germanic *gasp* immigrants!. Language also thoroughly researched:one of the last surviving branches of Uralic languages. No need to go into mythology, we know where we come from.
@@sdlabs Makes sense since my test revealed that I'm 98.1% finnish & rest is inuit :)
Finland was directly a part of Sweden. They were the same country.
The Sami are not the only indigenous people in Europe. They are the only one the European Union gave that status.
That's a BIG difference. The Sami needed the status to protect their livelyhood and culture.
The Sami forefathers are currently thought living in Finland since about 1500 BC. Genetic studies have shown they are more closely related to Samoyed Nganasan people than any other European people. The Nganasans are held most alike to Paleo-Siberian peoples of the currently living peoples. Therefore Nganasans were used as the "Siberian component" in the scientific paper which looked into European peoples' genetic distance to ancient Siberian peoples. Ancient Sami (historical Sami lived settlements) DNA had about 50% Siberian admixture, while modern Samis have about 20% to 30%. Modern Finns, Russians, Ukrainians and Moldovans have about 5%.
Look for the paper: "Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe"
@KaikuKaiku The first people in Finland were neither Samis nor Finns. Both the genetic Sami and Finns have changed their languages. We still have placenames here in Finland from an earlier language.
And if the culture of the Sami or Finns first existed in Finland, we don't know.
Currently it is considered that all the Baltic Sea region Finnic speakers spoke somewhat common language, Early Proto-Finnic (varhaiskantasuomi), also known as Finno-Samic in English. It later divided into two major branches, Proto-Samic and Late Proto-Finnic (myöhäiskantasuomi). So the ancestor of Samic languages separated first from the Baltic Sea region Finnic group. But we do not know who these speakers of Proto-Samic were. They could as well be the genetic forefathers of Finns as Samis, or both.
A dialect of the Late Proto-Finnic spoken in Finland then evolved into Finnish.
I've entertained an idea that in the southernmost part of Finland, the Proto-Samic speakers started to adobt the language spoken in the Baltic Peninsula, and thus Late Proto-Finnic dialect evolved in Finland both as an influence and migration. Instead of Late Proto-Finnic in Finland would have been the language of migrated people only, and Proto-Samic speakers replaced.
Also in the Lake Ladoga region something similar happened where the eastern dialect of Late Proto-Finnic evolved.
But it is certain that the "indigenous people" label is misleading.
@KaikuKaiku Using "indigenous" is often confusing and misleading. And it is used differently in different parts of the world and in different countries. Your example Iraqi Arabs aren't regarded as indigenous, while Assyrians and Kurds are.
According to English Wikipedia "indigenous" means people who have been affected by colonization. It depends for example national or federal legislation, what peoples are regarded as indigenous. Also the United Nations has made a definition of indigenous peoples: they should be pre-invasion people with continuity, and are a non-dominant people. Finnish Wikipedia page uses ILO's definition and lists two reasons for indignous people: a) people who differ from other national peoples and who are governed partly or entirely that people's own customs or special rules and b) people who descend from pre-invasion or pre-colonial era and have maintained some of their cultural, economical, political or social institutions. The EU that recognizes the Sami as the only indigenous people in the EU region (sorry Basques and Sorbs) obviously uses some sort of definition as well.
Wikipedia lists indigenous peoples in Europe, these include some of the Uralic peoples: Sami, Samoyeds, Komi, and then Adyghe (Circassians), Crimean Tatars, Krymchaks, Karaites, Basque and Sorbians.
There's about 20 to 40 Uralic peoples, depends what you count as a people. Why only 3 are mentioned in Wikipedia regarded as indigenous? Are not the other Uralic peoples in Russia affected by colonization for example? They sure are.
However, people have this idea that "indigenous" means the ORIGINAL people of the land. The very term in Finnish (alkperäiskansa) also comes from the original-concept. So it is VERY confusing.
In the Americas, or Australia, it is easy to say, that they were colonized by Europeans. However, which American native people lives in their original land? Many of them are conquerors, have migrated, or made to move.
And it comes helluva lot more difficult to say who in Europe would be original people of the land. Apparently no-one is, because pretty much all Europe got so much migration during the Neolithic and Chalcolithic era, the make up of European peoples changed profoundly. Or everyone is, because after that there hasn't been major migrations to Europe.
What people in Europe have NOT been influenced by invasion? Almost everyone has, certainly the Sami aren't the only one! That is a definition one just can't use in Europe (either).
What it all comes to, is politics. The idea of "indigenous people" is to protect ethnic minority groups. You could find some "indigenous peoples" in the Baltic peninsula, or Iberian peninsula, or British Isles, if you had political will to do so.
But the definition is also used negative way to label the majority national groups as invaders.
Hiton Chucky!!!!! ROFL
😆😁😉
Similar boats were used by all the peoples around the Baltic sea: Scandinavians, continental European Germans, Slavs, Balts and Finnic peoples. They also all practised piracy and raids (the biggest Scandinavian viking settlements were invaded and looted by non-Scandinavian foreign peoples). All the peoples around the Baltic Sea had related religion: prime god was a hammer and/or axe using smith-god related to lightning and oak tree (in fact this god was worshipped in whole pagan western Eurasia (see: Perkwunos), Finnish Ukko is a god of this religion, hammer and axe pendants were commonly in fact used by Finns and Balts). Long distance trading is much older than Viking Age: in Northern Europe it was widely practiced already in the Bronze Age. For example, while western Finnish bronze items are from the Baltic Sea, the Northern and Eastern Finland bronze items are from the Ural mountains Seima and Ananjino cultures. In Finland both the eastern and western bronze cultures met.
There are even some Finnic, Baltic and Slavic peoples who are often called as vikings and or pirates (no difference with the two really). These include Estonian Oselian island (in Finnish Saarenmaa) people, Baltic Curonians, Novgorodian Ushkuyniks (who loaned their viking boat name from Finnish uisko boat, uisko = snake) and the Winds/Wends of the Polish coast.
Why Finnic, Slavic, Baltic or continental Germanic peoples generally aren't called as vikings, is a matter of language used. Viking name is usually reserved for Norse language speakers. And yeah, popular culture misconceptions.
There's also nationalists in Scandinavia who resist the use of vikings for other peoples, and nationalist Finns who don't want to use that word but rather want to emphasize difference.
But yeah, you can say so.
The tree of Ukko isn't oak but rowan and he isn't a smith, Ilmarinen is. In the area now known as Finland there have been many different gods/spirits of sky throughout the time. Even the name nowadays used for the Christian God, Jumala, originally belonged to one of them.
@@lottaraatikainen3942 Ukko is definitely the same god as those other thunder-sky-fertility gods on pagan northern Europe. Ilmarinen is thought to be his original name, Ukko and Ilmarinen have same root: both are god, but in Kalevala Ilmarinen is a human, kind of a demi-god, an avatar of the sky-god. Look for Finnish Wikipedia pages of Ilmarinen and Ukko and you find many notes that Ilmarinen was the original, older sky-thunder god, and he is merged with later Ukko, while Ilmarinen became a smith-hero in Finnish mythology."
Connections between Ukko and rowan (pihlaja) is very, very thin. Rowan is connected to Rauni-name which may have been a byname of Ukko's, or his wife (Akka, Rauni). Existence of Rauni as a seprate goddess is not well established, it's possible she existed but folklore of her is thin.
Oak is connected to this god in Indoeuropean languages because of the word for oak and the first part of the god is similar in Proto-Indoeuropean, both meaning strike (as if thunderstrike). I just did a search in Ancient Runos of Finnish People (Suomen Kansan Vanhat Runot) database, and it has oak mentioned about 500 times. Didn't read yet but about 20 runos and already found runos of mystical burning oak. This might very well be connected to the oaks that lightning hit and set them on fire. But if oak is mentioned as Ukko's tree there, that takes time to research.
@@Aurinkohirvi I don't give much value to Wikipedia articles, I prefer the lessons I had by actual researchers when studying folkloristics in the University of Helsinki ;)
Yes, the connection between Ukko and the rowan is thin (Rauni Ukko; rauni=rönn=rowan in Swedish; rowan as the tree of Thor, the Scandinavian thunder deity), but there is no connection whatever between him and the oak. The great oak that has found it's way into Kalevala too may on the other hand have it's roots in reality, in the meteor that struck Saarenmaa in the prehistoric era and probably raised a gigantic cloud of dust that stayed up for days "covering the sun and the moon so it was dark on the ground".
And yes, of course all the sky/thunder gods or spirits of the Balto-Fennic-Scandinavian area have much in common because the people in the area had active connections, but they were still different entities in different times and cultures and cannot be grouped under one simplified "thundering smith with oak tree as his emblem" image. We are after all talking about a time when very little if anything was ever written down, stories and beliefs gradually changed when taught from generation to generation, and much was also added and left away. It's good to remember that even the old poems in SKVR are actually at the most about 200 years old. We may find through them echoes of the culture 1000 years ago, but nothing really certain, really free of later modifications.
@@lottaraatikainen3942 The Big Picture is clear: this same god is found from India to Russia to Anatolia to almost whole Europe. But like you said, local traditions differ, and oral tradition although has remarkable resilience do change over time. The god is dated to Chalcolihic era at least with Proto-Indoeuropean language and culture. Finnic people lived as their northern neighbours, the oldest loan word layer in Finnish is Proto-Indoeuropean and it includes words like god (jumala) sky (taivas) and hammer (vasara). That's pretty good evidence to hammer using sky god connection!
Ilmarinen (or its forms in local languages) is apparently the oldest name for the god among Finnic peoples, Ukko (old man) is a pseudonyme (an alias) for the god, but apparently became so popular in usage that it often replaces the god's older name (Ilmarinen).
The Christian missionaries in Novgorod (or from Novgorod) obviously recognized Ukko is the same god as their Perun and Balt Perkunas, and hence in Christian era Ukko became demozided as the devil, with names Perkele and Piru among Finnish speakers. At least I'm thinking Perkele/Piru are Christian era names because in SKVR database they are found with Christian era runos with other Christian characters, but not with very old runos.
The oak tree is according to SKVR database notes connected to the world tree in Finnish mythology. However, I did find the burning oak very interesting concept that easily connects to lightning strikes on oaks. I think there could be links in Finnish mythology also about oak as god's tree. But although this is found in Indoeuropean languages, the connection might not exist in Finnic ones, because the names of the god and the tree are different. Such a connection would not make sense and may have disappeared.
Wikipedia is just good to point people (my own information comes from couple of decades books and online texts) and it actually does have sourced information, no point to dismiss Wikipedia as whole: look at each piece of information. And I happen to agree what it says about this Ukko- and Ilmarinen as gods -matter, makes sense.
Tykkää ja kommentoi! 😊
Jotkut ihmiset ajattelevat myös, että Suomi on maaginen ihmemaa, jossa ei koskaan tapahdu mitään pahaa. 😶
Kyllä, monta kertaa vaikuttaa, että Suomi on (melkein) täydellinen maa. Kiitos paljon kommentista Derek! 😉
Jotkut ajattelevat, että Suomi on maa, jossa tapahtuu koko ajan jotain pahaa.
Suomi on skandinavian kivekset
minkä maalaisia olette
Eric Espanjasta, Karim Egyptistä ja Dawda Gambiasta.
@@almostfinns Kiitos!
Oon nähnyt Suomessa jääkarhuja...
Olitko humalassa? 🤔
@@almostfinns Ranuan eläintarhassa...
@@vmitaep9028 Ok, sitten Suomessa on myös pandoja. 🐼🇫🇮😆
@@almostfinns Suomessa voi nähdä myös pandoja
On some aspect Finland is scandinavia.
Opetelkaa suomee
Suomea? Emme puhu ruotsiksi? Voi vitsi!
Jöpötin! Kuinkahan hyvin sinä puhut vieraita kieliä ilman korostusta?