From recent discussions with antivaxers, I noticed that frequently I'm not arguing with their claim equivalent of 3+4=8, and instead I'm arguing with their claim equivalent of 3+4=badger. When both parties are using math, or science to arrive at a conclusion, rational debates can be had. At some point, all semblance of arguments at that level are just completely gone, and it becomes an argument with people who have entirely left reality behind and have willingly chosen to live in an alternate conspiracy filled subjective reality. It's next to impossible to reason someone out of that frame of mind when they don't accept logic, science, math, or any other fundamental aspect of reality that most people live by.
Great way of breaking that down. The way I hear this some years ago is that "Its difficult to reason someone out of something that they weren't reasoned into in the first place". Doesn't mean I don't try all the time like a moth to the flame haha.
Well said well put. Now back to evolution. Let’s get on with it and don’t forget to leave clear instructions of what to do with you after you die. Would not want to insult your sensibilities after all.
Look on the bright side of antivaxers, they can most contribute to the US by removing their DNA from the gene pool. They help the country, and the world by winning a Darwin Award.
One point I think should be made. If vaccine were to "cause autism" is that bad? Nothing wrong with autistic people. Obviously to be autistic is to be born one and i think most studies have indicate that it is genetically passed down. So... It can't "give" autism. I understand if it's about worrying that your child(for example) will not be able to "live a full life" or "be able to survive" or something but to be fair the main reason it can be difficult for autistic people to live in this world is cause of how society represents them and how it is mainly for abled and neuroticle people(basically disabled and neurodivergent people are thrown aside is what I mean)
What can you do when statistics and percentages and such don’t work? What if the sad stories of people claiming vaccines killed or injured their children cause such an anxiety and fear of even the child vaccines? How do you get through?
I think the vaccines are great. I'm not a big fan of mandating them because I think it pushes folks further away and doesn't really solve transmission. I'm also incredibly uncomfortable at the way the White House is attempting essentially a national mandate without congress's authority. The states have traditionally been the arena for this. That's why you have a state like Mississippi, which provides no religious exemptions for public school vaccinations while nearby Tennessee or until recently New York State had them. We need to be very careful not to overreach with this. Covid is a serious situation but the extreme measures being proposed have significant unintended downsides.
I would be all for vaccine mandates if they actually made these dumbass antivaxxers go and get their vaccines. But a lot of easily search-able statistics show that mandates don't really work. Mandates would probably just create more distrust for institutions and create more antivaxxers
@@IMayHaveNukes I think you make good points. The only justification at this point is propping up the hospital system. Also, the institutions are burning themselves good by their own lack of clarity and accountability. This is insane. Everyone who wants a vaccine has one at this point. Now it looks - even if it isn't the case - to be about government control and profits. I'm glad I'm vaccinated. But I bristle at having to show identification to eat somewhere. I am driven mad that my 5 year old can't test back in to school. I resent my candyass neighbors who identify with the isolation of covid, bask in it and need more government to assuage their lonely, spiritual ruin. I think the only workable solution is just raising rates or denying treatment to unvaccinated people. It's cruel. I wouldn't support it but at this point the only reason to mandate vaccination is the hospital system. I would actually be more comfortable of president Polydent and all the obnoxious authoritarian governors would propose that. I think that would be more consistent with their policy goals.
The problem with my friend is that he claims he doesn’t know anything and everyone else doesn’t either which is why we can’t trust anyone and just have to be free
**** Please do a follow-up video on how to talk to friends who still think the vax was 94% effective after taking 3 shots and still getting covid. ****
Some of my main questions are why are there no double blind placebo tests done? Also why is there no liability from the companies manufacturing them? I honestly don’t care what people choose I just think people have the right to refuse or accept.
all four of the vax companies have never produced a vac, and fall under the wonderful law that you can not sue for liability, that seems weird right, i have the right to want to know this.
It states right on the FDA EUA fact sheet that authorizes use of these corona vaccine the the recipient has the right to accept or refuse the vaccine with no change to their healthcare options. It just seems like a big joke that they say you have the right o accept or refuse the vaccine and then issue vaccine mandates. it is a real troll
Maybe, but I did pay attention in business ethics and marketing. These companies are conducting a master class in marketing a bad product. But with all of their previous lawsuits...I’m not surprised.
@@thedevilsadvocate5210 Yes in just the same way as they are not supposed to survive smallpox or have large amounts of opiods in the bloodstream after a broken arm. " science " says nothing of the sort.
@@nondhimmi1 god you are stupid . That makes no sense. Your cells manufacture hundreds of billions of corona virus spike proteins when you take the jab. That has nothing to do with a broken arm or smallpox.
Instead of talking about facts, I go around and talk about the restrictions of travel that comes with not being vaccinated. I like to travel, my anti-vax friend likes to travel. I told me friend that I got vaccinated to be allowed to travel and that he won't because of the rules change. Then watch them pause and weigh that thought
I really agree with this method and it literally proves how this pandemic has affected us. Before covid, ant-vaxxers could get away with travelling as they please but now they can't since we need the vaccine in order to move forward.
dont you think its odd to. mkae that restriction, dont you think its just a step in de humanizing other people. Its possible for others to think differently that you and that doest mean their not humans. we all think differently thats the beauty
I’ve heard from countless individuals that regret getting the jabs, who stopped getting more. And I've talked to hundreds that have had zero, and not even one regrets their decision. In fact, the vast majority agree that not participating in this is one of the best decisions that we’ve ever made in our lives. All that I need to know, right there!
@@havanadaurcy1321 feel free to be shocked to find out that large companies pay to push products on consumers even if there unhealthy, also bribe government lobbyist surprising I know.
0:30 rectification "Is not the case ANYMORE" because you had studies, a certain substance used as preservative was removed from the mix and voila, risk adverted.
What is happening now is that (for me anyway and I bet for others) people I know and have got on ok with, some of them quite close, have become anti-vaxxers. I think too much fb did it.
Thank you. I hope to change my friend's mind with this any way I can, because I can't stand by an anti-vaxxer, but I also believe she's a good person outside of that.
Books about the subject: Bechamp or Pasteur: A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology by Ethel D Hume What Really Makes You Ill: Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Disease is Wrong by Dawn Lester and David Parker Murder By Injection: The Story of the Medical Conspiracy Against America by Eustace Mullins The Contagion Myth: Why Viruses (including coronavirus) are not the Cause of Disease by Thomas Cowan, MD You’re welcome 😉
Just because someone put her/his thoughts to paper doesn’t necessarily make it so. That’s why we’re not all mormons or christian scientists. You’re welcome back.
@@PGTROMP I've had COVID twice, and i have not had a covid vax or booster once at all, and i survived covid both times and within about two weeks recovery, care to explain?
@@atomicstriker7060 How old are you, full medical history. There are plenty of answers. Do you have the time? I'm going out there offering to wear my fingers out to give you a comprehensive answer.
@@PGTROMP just this opening statment alone makes no apparent sense to me so im not gonna bother, all i know is i dont need any vaccines besides the ones i had throughout childhood, my body is perfectly healthy and capable of fucking covid over and I'll do it again and again i don't need any syringe for some flu 2.0
As of 9/18/21 673,637 US Americans have died from Covid and the pandemic isn't over. Total USA deaths from the Spanish Flu was roughly 675,000. We are only about 1500 people away from matching that number.....
The thing is your choice not to get vaccinated affects the health of both me and the people I love. I will always try and talk to people who hold your view. We could totally eradicate measles and polio like we did to smallpox but it’s just a shame that some people don’t want to see it happen.
Also, a general misinformation is that viruses tend to mutate into scarier forms while the real truth is that viruses mutate out of existince into weaker forms with every variant
@@mysticcity312 because vaccines are never 100% effective, and some people with diseases that affect the immune system cannot take vaccines. Say a vaccine is 95% effective, this leaves a 0.05/5% chance of infection for a vaccinated person, but if you consider that the virus has to go through another person to get to you then we have 0.05x0.05 which is 0.0025 chance of infection. Eradicating covid entirely is as simple as that, basic math.
Your personal choice no longer became personal when you started interacting with other people. You spread diseases to people. It isnt personal, its a public helath threat
From recent discussions with antivaxers, I noticed that frequently I'm not arguing with their claim equivalent of 3+4=8, and instead I'm arguing with their claim equivalent of 3+4=badger. When both parties are using math, or science to arrive at a conclusion, rational debates can be had. At some point, all semblance of arguments at that level are just completely gone, and it becomes an argument with people who have entirely left reality behind and have willingly chosen to live in an alternate conspiracy filled subjective reality. It's next to impossible to reason someone out of that frame of mind when they don't accept logic, science, math, or any other fundamental aspect of reality that most people live by.
This is such a great way of explaining it
see THE DEFENDER CHILDREN'S HEALTH DEFENCE????????????????????????
Great way of breaking that down. The way I hear this some years ago is that "Its difficult to reason someone out of something that they weren't reasoned into in the first place".
Doesn't mean I don't try all the time like a moth to the flame haha.
Well said well put. Now back to evolution. Let’s get on with it and don’t forget to leave clear instructions of what to do with you after you die. Would not want to insult your sensibilities after all.
Taking some unproven technology is foolhardy.
Its like putting the first version of Windows 8 on your computer.
I just recently became aware that a person I know is an anti-vaxxer. Its very demoralizing as thet are in close proximity to vulnerable people.
Infowars . Com good place to find out about all the study that are suppressed.
@@danialhillmann5374 Nice try Mossad
Look on the bright side of antivaxers, they can most contribute to the US by removing their DNA from the gene pool. They help the country, and the world by winning a Darwin Award.
@@laner989 how so? The only people I know who are sick took the jab.
Vaccinated people also spread covid. Not only that they are asymptomatic when they do it. Unknowing asymptomatic superspreaders.
One point I think should be made. If vaccine were to "cause autism" is that bad? Nothing wrong with autistic people. Obviously to be autistic is to be born one and i think most studies have indicate that it is genetically passed down. So... It can't "give" autism. I understand if it's about worrying that your child(for example) will not be able to "live a full life" or "be able to survive" or something but to be fair the main reason it can be difficult for autistic people to live in this world is cause of how society represents them and how it is mainly for abled and neuroticle people(basically disabled and neurodivergent people are thrown aside is what I mean)
Isn't autism the next step of evolution or sth? Or is that just me high on movies?
in taiwan they abort babies who will have down syndrome
but they do not.
@@elinannestad5320 yes they def do you should look it up
This is why UA-cam removed the thumbs down count
What can you do when statistics and percentages and such don’t work? What if the sad stories of people claiming vaccines killed or injured their children cause such an anxiety and fear of even the child vaccines? How do you get through?
Not to mention that there are a TON of said claims about death and injury?
What about people that are not anti-vaccine but are anti-vaccine mandate?
I think the vaccines are great. I'm not a big fan of mandating them because I think it pushes folks further away and doesn't really solve transmission. I'm also incredibly uncomfortable at the way the White House is attempting essentially a national mandate without congress's authority. The states have traditionally been the arena for this. That's why you have a state like Mississippi, which provides no religious exemptions for public school vaccinations while nearby Tennessee or until recently New York State had them. We need to be very careful not to overreach with this. Covid is a serious situation but the extreme measures being proposed have significant unintended downsides.
I would be all for vaccine mandates if they actually made these dumbass antivaxxers go and get their vaccines. But a lot of easily search-able statistics show that mandates don't really work. Mandates would probably just create more distrust for institutions and create more antivaxxers
@@IMayHaveNukes I think you make good points. The only justification at this point is propping up the hospital system. Also, the institutions are burning themselves good by their own lack of clarity and accountability. This is insane. Everyone who wants a vaccine has one at this point. Now it looks - even if it isn't the case - to be about government control and profits. I'm glad I'm vaccinated. But I bristle at having to show identification to eat somewhere. I am driven mad that my 5 year old can't test back in to school. I resent my candyass neighbors who identify with the isolation of covid, bask in it and need more government to assuage their lonely, spiritual ruin. I think the only workable solution is just raising rates or denying treatment to unvaccinated people. It's cruel. I wouldn't support it but at this point the only reason to mandate vaccination is the hospital system. I would actually be more comfortable of president Polydent and all the obnoxious authoritarian governors would propose that. I think that would be more consistent with their policy goals.
The problem with my friend is that he claims he doesn’t know anything and everyone else doesn’t either which is why we can’t trust anyone and just have to be free
**** Please do a follow-up video on how to talk to friends who still think the vax was 94% effective after taking 3 shots and still getting covid. ****
Some of my main questions are why are there no double blind placebo tests done? Also why is there no liability from the companies manufacturing them? I honestly don’t care what people choose I just think people have the right to refuse or accept.
All very good questions info war's. Com has plenty of data on that let's just say it's not good.
@@danialhillmann5374 Info Wars? HAHAHA. They are Mossad shills! I wouldn't trust them.
Yes they do double blind trials a friend of mine Dr took part. So check your facts
all four of the vax companies have never produced a vac, and fall under the wonderful law that you can not sue for liability, that seems weird right, i have the right to want to know this.
It states right on the FDA EUA fact sheet that authorizes use of these corona vaccine the the recipient has the right to accept or refuse the vaccine with no change to their healthcare options.
It just seems like a big joke that they say you have the right o accept or refuse the vaccine and then issue vaccine mandates.
it is a real troll
Israeli covid vaccine poster child Yonatan Moshe Erlichman, age 8, dies of heart failure.
And several others as well. 😢
@@soniavos8065 Tens of 1000's of others, easily.
The Dunning Kruger Effect- translation: "the dumb - you didn't listen - in you science class" syndrome.
Maybe, but I did pay attention in business ethics and marketing. These companies are conducting a master class in marketing a bad product. But with all of their previous lawsuits...I’m not surprised.
@@michaelloparco2173 say Dunning Kruger..... and he appears!
science says your cells are not ever supposed to manufacture corona virus spike proteins
@@thedevilsadvocate5210 Yes in just the same way as they are not supposed to survive smallpox or have large amounts of opiods in the bloodstream after a broken arm.
" science " says nothing of the sort.
@@nondhimmi1
god you are stupid .
That makes no sense.
Your cells manufacture hundreds of billions of corona virus spike proteins when you take the jab. That has nothing to do with a broken arm or smallpox.
The last two years showed on a daily basis that NONE of these arguments work. Sorry, they don't
Instead of talking about facts, I go around and talk about the restrictions of travel that comes with not being vaccinated.
I like to travel, my anti-vax friend likes to travel. I told me friend that I got vaccinated to be allowed to travel and that he won't because of the rules change.
Then watch them pause and weigh that thought
I really agree with this method and it literally proves how this pandemic has affected us. Before covid, ant-vaxxers could get away with travelling as they please but now they can't since we need the vaccine in order to move forward.
Pavlov used the same technique in a way...
dont you think its odd to. mkae that restriction, dont you think its just a step in de humanizing other people. Its possible for others to think differently that you and that doest mean their not humans. we all think differently thats the beauty
@@vessg221 ' get away with" how were you protecting your self and immune system before?
@@michaelloparco2173 so " anti vax" are now considered dogs?
1. Don't
I’ve heard from countless individuals that regret getting the jabs, who stopped getting more.
And I've talked to hundreds that have had zero, and not even one regrets their decision.
In fact, the vast majority agree that not participating in this is one of the best decisions that we’ve ever made in our lives.
All that I need to know, right there!
Anyone recall when doctors said smoking was good for you 4 out of 5, and look at all the movie stars they smoke too. How did that work out?
You cannot ask questions if you follow Infowars, Mossad believer.
@@havanadaurcy1321 just look up Lucky Strike cigarettes marketing or Fred flinston endorsing smoking, it's not to hard to do
@@havanadaurcy1321 feel free to be shocked to find out that large companies pay to push products on consumers even if there unhealthy, also bribe government lobbyist surprising I know.
Bye byee
Many of my family members that smoked or had been exposed to second hand smoke died from heart failure or Cancer.
0:30 rectification "Is not the case ANYMORE" because you had studies, a certain substance used as preservative was removed from the mix and voila, risk adverted.
Tip 1: Don't label and assume what the person you're attempting to convince thinks. This is pretty obvious stuff...
No one trusts these networks anymore ?
I wouldn’t hang out with friends that thought 3+4=6
Or "friends" that believe the earth is flat.
@@eldonjanzen9822 so if you think something is wrong, its wrong. If i think somethings right, its wrong. How long have you been a narcissist?
What is happening now is that (for me anyway and I bet for others) people I know and have got on ok with, some of them quite close, have become anti-vaxxers. I think too much fb did it.
@@elinannestad5320 no one is an anti vax its medical privacy, in what world do we demand to know private decisions.
Thank you.
I hope to change my friend's mind with this any way I can, because I can't stand by an anti-vaxxer, but I also believe she's a good person outside of that.
Dealing with this in regards to my sister. Its so frustrating and sad.
Sicko
This comment did not age well.
@@JK_JK_JK what do you mean? It's a question, is the answer to it now obvious?
Here I am still alive 3 years later 😅. No shots . No clots .
Books about the subject:
Bechamp or Pasteur: A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology
by Ethel D Hume
What Really Makes You Ill: Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Disease is Wrong
by Dawn Lester and David Parker
Murder By Injection: The Story of the Medical Conspiracy Against America
by Eustace Mullins
The Contagion Myth: Why Viruses (including coronavirus) are not the Cause of Disease
by Thomas Cowan, MD
You’re welcome 😉
Just because someone put her/his thoughts to paper doesn’t necessarily make it so. That’s why we’re not all mormons or christian scientists.
You’re welcome back.
I have a double vax and booster and just tested positive for Covid.
Excellent. You just avoided serious disease and death as well as a lower viral load to spread to others👍🏼
Vaccines don't stop you getting it. They protect you from serious illness and hospitalisation.
@@PGTROMP I've had COVID twice, and i have not had a covid vax or booster once at all, and i survived covid both times and within about two weeks recovery, care to explain?
@@atomicstriker7060 How old are you, full medical history. There are
plenty of answers. Do you have the time? I'm going out there offering to wear my fingers out to give you a comprehensive answer.
@@PGTROMP just this opening statment alone makes no apparent sense to me so im not gonna bother, all i know is i dont need any vaccines besides the ones i had throughout childhood, my body is perfectly healthy and capable of fucking covid over and I'll do it again and again i don't need any syringe for some flu 2.0
As of 9/18/21 673,637 US Americans have died from Covid and the pandemic isn't over. Total USA deaths from the Spanish Flu was roughly 675,000. We are only about 1500 people away from matching that number.....
I wonder if the global population was lower during the Spanish flu 🤔
@@danialhillmann5374 Or how many years we had Spanish flu
Check out Grandpa scully and his band. The Doctor.
Here's a tip. Just don't speak to me if you can't respect my choice because I respect your choice even if I think it's wrong, I will still respect it.
The thing is your choice not to get vaccinated affects the health of both me and the people I love. I will always try and talk to people who hold your view. We could totally eradicate measles and polio like we did to smallpox but it’s just a shame that some people don’t want to see it happen.
@@aero3318 The thing is that if you and all the vulnerable loved ones are vaccinated, then why be afraid of the unvaccinated?
Also, a general misinformation is that viruses tend to mutate into scarier forms while the real truth is that viruses mutate out of existince into weaker forms with every variant
@@mysticcity312 because vaccines are never 100% effective, and some people with diseases that affect the immune system cannot take vaccines. Say a vaccine is 95% effective, this leaves a 0.05/5% chance of infection for a vaccinated person, but if you consider that the virus has to go through another person to get to you then we have 0.05x0.05 which is 0.0025 chance of infection. Eradicating covid entirely is as simple as that, basic math.
Your personal choice no longer became personal when you started interacting with other people. You spread diseases to people. It isnt personal, its a public helath threat
Don’t.