Trio Avionics! They're down by my old hometown; I remember visiting them back before I got my pilot's license. Good guys. Hope the AP makes some long cross-country adventures fun & easy!
The system goes online on April 1 2023, removing human decisions. C-FMVU begins to learn rapidly and eventually becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m., EDT, on August 29.
Ginger’s temp probe is installed in the L side inspection cover nearest the pitot, always reads true. Congrats on the new autopilot, we use ours a lot, that and the HDX make flying so easy it feels like I’m cheating sometimes! 😉
I'm just an aviation enthusiast....I am blown away there's an optional/aftermarket auto pilot. What an awesome upgrade! This will be great once you get to altitude as you can kick back and just monitor. Chris is phenomenal. Knowledgeable, capable, thorough, and just a nice guy. Awesome video
Not sure about the kicking back part. I enjoy autopilot as it helps with the workload, but you constantly have to monitor it. it can be your best friend or your worst enemy. Never let it run though without keeping a close eye on it.
Wow dude i’m coming from your cooking channel. You’re a videographer, a chef, and a pilot. You’re honestly a bad ass glen, i’m 26 and I wish i was as cool as you
Great video as usual. My first time seeing a roll servo actually using pushtubes to the aileron bellcrank as opposed to bridle cables attached to the main control cables. MVU has to be one of the nicest 172s I've seen, inside and out. And that's a lot of them. lol
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Sweet Mods Glen. Congrats. Will Julie start flight training soon? Landing, Radio Comms, GPS ops. You could build it all out in a Sim as well, so you both could practice at home during winter weather. Cheers. PS: I’ve made both your pizza recipes and the banana bread. Beef Borgoignon(sp?) is next.
Good video. I’ve been flying for a long time but I learned a lot. Years ago I got checked out on a Cessna Cutlass. On my first takeoff the autopilot fell out of the panel. That obviously won’t happen here. The Ontario flying season will hopefully start soon. Cheers
Great video. I think you're going to love the Trio. I have one in my '59 175TW and it is rock solid. Keep up the great video's, airplanes and cooking, doesn't get any better.
Great video as always, Glen. I loved seeing how the servos and push rods work together inside the airframe, that was helpful. I wish the Trio was available for my plane but sadly not. I’ll be leaving in my 40+ year old Century III autopilot when I get my avionics work done next month, and if the work messes up the fragile autopilot, I’ll have pretty much no choice but to go with that autopilot that cost more than your plane. 😂 Fingers crossed that doesn’t happen!
Nice videos and cool restoration and upgrades. It’s nice to see someone going through this because I will be making upgrades to my 172e in the future. Only I will only be able to afford OTTO not Auto pilot. Airplane the movie reference😃. Thanks for sharing!
I was an avionics technician in the military. This brought back a lot of memories...some good and some bad. 😂 Working on aircraft, especially installing mods, can be a pain in the butt! Your bird looks fairly easy to work on though.
The Cherokee Six I fly has a dual axis AP by Trio. I understand why the owner was attracted to it and it's ok, but tbh it has a some issues and on many flights, I typically prefer to hand fly. We have the other style of panel (rectangular), and the operation is pretty unintuitive but can be learned of course. Besides any human factors/design gripes, we've had issues with uncommanded pitch movements/trim runaways and other glitches. It's too bad the market is so small and the big name player's gear is so expensive.
Fingers crossed that I won't have the same trouble - from early testing, I'll probably never really interact with the actual AP panel. Everything will happen through the Dynon panel.
Hello Glen from Sydney Australia. Fantastic episode and technical detail, installing the Trio avionics auto pilot into your plane. *The servo motors must be an amazing design to withstand yoke inputs and GPS commands. *The anodised aluminium servo support rails: any vibration or twisting present (I'm thinking turbulence flying)? * Have you lined the inside of the fuselage? 🛩️📻
The inside of the fuselage has been lined with a lightweight foam material - more for looks than anything else. After the rails were in ten aft compartment we did a little twist test and found that they were really stable.
For about $100US you could easily install a GPS repeater (aka a re-radiator) in the hangar then you wouldn't need to roll the plane out of the hangar to test your GPS connections.
How Canadian is that. Workin' on your bush plane and eatin' Timbits. 😂 It doesn't get any better than that. How cool is autopilot eh. 😅. I wish I could have had that for my RC planes. Would have saved me Lot of money with that "oh shit" button. 😂
Genuinely surprised you left the wires not connected awaiting future software adding functionality. Does the manufacturer (Trio) have any concrete answers as to which pins you should be installing it (I assume into the Avidyne) in preparation? Especially seeing as you have it to bits for the annual at the moment. Enjoy the coming spring weather!!!
Where did you get those door post assist handles? Those are awesome. I’m missing one handle and hate to pay $100 for an old not so great looking one. Love the videos. I just bought a 1964 172E. You’ve been giving me a lot of ideas.
I made them - watched a bunch of paracord weaving videos here on UA-cam and spent a few frustrating afternoons learning how to weave the handles. Made sure I bought a paracord that doesn't burn / melt.
@@GlensHangar I looked at doing that myself and thought man, this sure would be easier to buy. I think I’ll give it a shot though, they just look too cool to not have. thanks
Yaw is mentioned briefly by Chris - It’s still Glen’s feet. (Ie no yaw servo). Pretty common for light aircraft autopilots to not control yaw or throttle.
Totally expecting this to be an April fools joke about installing some gear only to announce that Jules was getting her pilots license. which in all seriousness wouldn’t be a bad idea considering the long distances and flight times they are planning.
Initially I bought one that was horrible (can't remember which one). Then I bought the Knots2U 'Soft Touch' and I'm really happy with it. Took some work to trim it down to fit, but worth it in the end/
Love your videos Glen. Question...you mentioned the trio, at the time you were making the video didn't fully talk to the dynon panel... has that been resolved with the promised software update?
The software is done - it works. But like all good things... approval is held up in paperwork with the FAA. So until the FAA gives its stamp of approval, I can't use all of the functions. Frustrating, but I knew that would be the case going in.
Trying to decide if I should go with the trio or the Garmin GFC500. Dynon does not make an auto pilot for my 1959 182. But I don’t really want to hate to have a new panel cut, why is nothing easy with Avionics! Do you miss being able to shoot ILS localizer approaches? I need to get my instrument rating and I’m wondering if I need that capability to pass my check ride. I guess you just end up flying them by hand.
Great video. I’m thinking of installing a trio in a 172 with Dynon hdx as well. How has the lateral guidance from Dynon worked out for you? Does the turn anticipation with a multi leg flight plan work well? Any updates from trio on vertical guidance with Dynon? Thanks!!
I'd wait - the software / firmware from Dynon is complete, but Trio is still waiting on some paperwork to clear (writing this in January 2024) before they implement full functionality.
Odd that if I sign in to YT, I can see my post. If I sign out, I can no longer see it. In any case, if this one shows up correctly, Avion Research in California sells STC'd and PMA'd replacement control yokes with integrated PTT and AP disconnect buttons. That is all. 73
Yeah I looked at them - a few problems... They're ugly. They are for later model 172s, and aren't actually STC'd for this model / year (I asked), but could be installed on 'Field Approval'. I'm in Canada so field approval isn't an option. Did I mention they're ugly?
The Pitch servo and brackets added about 2 ½ pounds of weight in the aft section, so that changed things slightly. But not enough to really affect flight characteristics. I still have over 900 lbs of useful load and a pretty wide envelope.
@@GlensHangar Haha! I saw it after I posted it, but then... magically, it disappeared. STC'd and PMA'd replacement control yokes are available for the 172 from Avion Research in California. Not inexpensive, but can be had with integral PTT and autopilot disconnect buttons.
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Probably for an owner it's quite stressing but the videos were you (or the mechanic) are working on the plane are my favourites
100% was expecting the blow-up autopilot dude from Airplane
You mean Otto-Pilot... :D
I just wanted to tell you both good luck, we’re all counting on you.
Trio Avionics! They're down by my old hometown; I remember visiting them back before I got my pilot's license. Good guys. Hope the AP makes some long cross-country adventures fun & easy!
It will certainly make refilling my tea mug easier!
The system goes online on April 1 2023, removing human decisions. C-FMVU begins to learn rapidly and eventually becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m., EDT, on August 29.
Ginger’s temp probe is installed in the L side inspection cover nearest the pitot, always reads true. Congrats on the new autopilot, we use ours a lot, that and the HDX make flying so easy it feels like I’m cheating sometimes! 😉
I'm just an aviation enthusiast....I am blown away there's an optional/aftermarket auto pilot. What an awesome upgrade! This will be great once you get to altitude as you can kick back and just monitor. Chris is phenomenal. Knowledgeable, capable, thorough, and just a nice guy. Awesome video
Not sure about the kicking back part. I enjoy autopilot as it helps with the workload, but you constantly have to monitor it. it can be your best friend or your worst enemy. Never let it run though without keeping a close eye on it.
@@josephschenk2631 Meh, these new units are pretty reliable once everything is dialed in. It ain't the 80's anymore.
Auto pilot for light aircraft have been around for decades
Wow dude i’m coming from your cooking channel. You’re a videographer, a chef, and a pilot. You’re honestly a bad ass glen, i’m 26 and I wish i was as cool as you
My grandfather used to work for Bendix. Waaay back in the 1960s and 1970s
He flew a Piper Tomahawk
Great video as usual. My first time seeing a roll servo actually using pushtubes to the aileron bellcrank as opposed to bridle cables attached to the main control cables.
MVU has to be one of the nicest 172s I've seen, inside and out. And that's a lot of them. lol
Thank you very much!
Happy Day. A new episode.
Been a long time follower of the cooking channel but finding out you have a flight channel is awesome. Two things I love nerding out on haha
Great information. Love the channel as well as your cooking one. Thank you from North Carolina
Wow, this is a great piece, Glen. Much appreciated.
Pretty C-172. I had a C model one time. Nice little bird.
🚧🚧Good Morning Sir, you have made again an OUTSTANDING informative video 😇👍 The use of electrical connection plugs tools is not easy for sure 🥴👍at 13:25 that was a bobby trap April Fool Surprise 🥴🤣👍 Keep Up Your OUTSTANDING videos Sir Cheers 👍😇🍻🍻🚧🚧
Sweet Mods Glen. Congrats. Will Julie start flight training soon? Landing, Radio Comms, GPS ops. You could build it all out in a Sim as well, so you both could practice at home during winter weather. Cheers. PS: I’ve made both your pizza recipes and the banana bread. Beef Borgoignon(sp?) is next.
glen your plane is so cool.
Good video. I’ve been flying for a long time but I learned a lot. Years ago I got checked out on a Cessna Cutlass. On my first takeoff the autopilot fell out of the panel. That obviously won’t happen here. The Ontario flying season will hopefully start soon. Cheers
Great video. I think you're going to love the Trio. I have one in my '59 175TW and it is rock solid. Keep up the great video's, airplanes and cooking, doesn't get any better.
Wow, a year already. Always great to see Chris again. Enjoyed the installation video but really looking forward to the flight test.
Great video as always, Glen. I loved seeing how the servos and push rods work together inside the airframe, that was helpful. I wish the Trio was available for my plane but sadly not. I’ll be leaving in my 40+ year old Century III autopilot when I get my avionics work done next month, and if the work messes up the fragile autopilot, I’ll have pretty much no choice but to go with that autopilot that cost more than your plane. 😂 Fingers crossed that doesn’t happen!
Good luck! But I hear great things about the more expensive unit.
Nice videos and cool restoration and upgrades. It’s nice to see someone going through this because I will be making upgrades to my 172e in the future. Only I will only be able to afford OTTO not Auto pilot. Airplane the movie reference😃. Thanks for sharing!
I assume the most expensive option would have been the Garmin GFC500? That would have been a sweet install tho!
Can't wait to see the autopilot in action. Awesome.
Gorgeous aeroplane!
I was an avionics technician in the military. This brought back a lot of memories...some good and some bad. 😂 Working on aircraft, especially installing mods, can be a pain in the butt! Your bird looks fairly easy to work on though.
Excellent content.
Great step by step explanation. You should present something at KOSH.😄
19:15 , box of Timbits makes a cameo. I miss Timmies.
Anxiously awaiting a review of your new auto pilot.
I'm going to take my time before I film the review; probably not until this fall.
Awesome video Glen! Look forward to the test flight
Hey Glen, could you do a video or have you done one showing using the auto pilot while flying?
I haven't really dug too far into using the autopilot in flight yet.
The Cherokee Six I fly has a dual axis AP by Trio. I understand why the owner was attracted to it and it's ok, but tbh it has a some issues and on many flights, I typically prefer to hand fly. We have the other style of panel (rectangular), and the operation is pretty unintuitive but can be learned of course. Besides any human factors/design gripes, we've had issues with uncommanded pitch movements/trim runaways and other glitches. It's too bad the market is so small and the big name player's gear is so expensive.
Fingers crossed that I won't have the same trouble - from early testing, I'll probably never really interact with the actual AP panel. Everything will happen through the Dynon panel.
@@GlensHangar perfect! Really hard to beat the price/performance ratio even with some quirks.
Hello Glen from Sydney Australia.
Fantastic episode and technical detail, installing the Trio avionics auto pilot into your plane.
*The servo motors must be an amazing design to withstand yoke inputs and GPS commands.
*The anodised aluminium servo support rails: any vibration or twisting present (I'm thinking turbulence flying)?
* Have you lined the inside of the fuselage?
🛩️📻
The inside of the fuselage has been lined with a lightweight foam material - more for looks than anything else. After the rails were in ten aft compartment we did a little twist test and found that they were really stable.
For about $100US you could easily install a GPS repeater (aka a re-radiator) in the hangar then you wouldn't need to roll the plane out of the hangar to test your GPS connections.
How Canadian is that. Workin' on your bush plane and eatin' Timbits. 😂 It doesn't get any better than that.
How cool is autopilot eh. 😅. I wish I could have had that for my RC planes. Would have saved me Lot of money with that "oh shit" button. 😂
Genuinely surprised you left the wires not connected awaiting future software adding functionality. Does the manufacturer (Trio) have any concrete answers as to which pins you should be installing it (I assume into the Avidyne) in preparation? Especially seeing as you have it to bits for the annual at the moment.
Enjoy the coming spring weather!!!
The pins are all mapped and installed in a D-sub, awaiting the ARINC module that will link everything together.
@@GlensHangar gotcha :)
Where did you get those door post assist handles? Those are awesome. I’m missing one handle and hate to pay $100 for an old not so great looking one. Love the videos. I just bought a 1964 172E. You’ve been giving me a lot of ideas.
I made them - watched a bunch of paracord weaving videos here on UA-cam and spent a few frustrating afternoons learning how to weave the handles. Made sure I bought a paracord that doesn't burn / melt.
@@GlensHangar I looked at doing that myself and thought man, this sure would be easier to buy. I think I’ll give it a shot though, they just look too cool to not have. thanks
In the video, you tell and show about roll and pitch, but make no mention at all regarding yaw. The the new system ignore the rudder completely?
Yaw is mentioned briefly by Chris - It’s still Glen’s feet. (Ie no yaw servo). Pretty common for light aircraft autopilots to not control yaw or throttle.
Totally expecting this to be an April fools joke about installing some gear only to announce that Jules was getting her pilots license.
which in all seriousness wouldn’t be a bad idea considering the long distances and flight times they are planning.
Glen, love the videos! As your plane is a major inspiration for my 172C, I was curious as what you did for the glare shield on the instrument panel?
Initially I bought one that was horrible (can't remember which one). Then I bought the Knots2U 'Soft Touch' and I'm really happy with it. Took some work to trim it down to fit, but worth it in the end/
Awesome thanks!
Love your videos Glen. Question...you mentioned the trio, at the time you were making the video didn't fully talk to the dynon panel... has that been resolved with the promised software update?
The software is done - it works. But like all good things... approval is held up in paperwork with the FAA. So until the FAA gives its stamp of approval, I can't use all of the functions. Frustrating, but I knew that would be the case going in.
Trying to decide if I should go with the trio or the Garmin GFC500. Dynon does not make an auto pilot for my 1959 182. But I don’t really want to hate to have a new panel cut, why is nothing easy with Avionics! Do you miss being able to shoot ILS localizer approaches? I need to get my instrument rating and I’m wondering if I need that capability to pass my check ride. I guess you just end up flying them by hand.
Does Glen ever say 'welcome back to the kitchen' in this channel?
Great video. I’m thinking of installing a trio in a 172 with Dynon hdx as well. How has the lateral guidance from Dynon worked out for you? Does the turn anticipation with a multi leg flight plan work well? Any updates from trio on vertical guidance with Dynon? Thanks!!
I'd wait - the software / firmware from Dynon is complete, but Trio is still waiting on some paperwork to clear (writing this in January 2024) before they implement full functionality.
Where do you get and what is the foam between those longerons? Looks like 3/8 rubber
That's Ensolite Foam from SCS interiors: scs-interiors.com/collections/ensolite-foam
Odd that if I sign in to YT, I can see my post. If I sign out, I can no longer see it. In any case, if this one shows up correctly, Avion Research in California sells STC'd and PMA'd replacement control yokes with integrated PTT and AP disconnect buttons. That is all. 73
Yeah I looked at them - a few problems... They're ugly. They are for later model 172s, and aren't actually STC'd for this model / year (I asked), but could be installed on 'Field Approval'. I'm in Canada so field approval isn't an option. Did I mention they're ugly?
NS Isle Madame 🇨🇦
Never say never! Is there not a yaw servo?
No yaw / third axis - none of the certified APs for this plane have yaw. So I'll just have to keep using my feet.
Glen, you and Chris looking at documents in your dark clothing look like you are planning a heist.
It is interesting why you guys don't install the Dynon autopilot since it is already integrated into the Dynon HDX glass panel.
The Dynon Auto pilot isn't certified for installation in this airframe - Didn't put it in, because we couldn't put it in.
@@GlensHangar sorry I didn’t know. This is why I fly experimental to get away from the tyranny of the certified world
@@2Phast4Rocket Interesting; tell us more, what did you build? What do you fly?
@@GlensHangar I am finishing up my RV8 and I fly the Decathlon while I am building my airplane
Was there much of a change with weight and balance/ moment envelope?
The Pitch servo and brackets added about 2 ½ pounds of weight in the aft section, so that changed things slightly. But not enough to really affect flight characteristics. I still have over 900 lbs of useful load and a pretty wide envelope.
About how many hours did this take to install?
With my (help) it took Chris about 30 hours; but the Trio was new to both of us. If we had to do it a second time, we'd be a bit faster.
Hey, Glen, what happened to my recent post about control yokes? Does the algorithm not like the word? Cheers!
I didn't see it.
@@GlensHangar Haha! I saw it after I posted it, but then... magically, it disappeared. STC'd and PMA'd replacement control yokes are available for the 172 from Avion Research in California. Not inexpensive, but can be had with integral PTT and autopilot disconnect buttons.
Does the pitch servo control the trim tab?
Unfortunately not - there aren't any AP's certified for this airframe / serial# that do that.
Sure the wing is the easiest place to put the temp probe if your objective is scalping yourself
We took that into consideration - that first inspection panel is right above the wing strut, almost impossible to hit your head on it there.
@@GlensHangar haha good point. My head always finds a way. I'm constantly petrified walking around high wings.
@@GlensHangar Thanks Glen, good idea on the temp probe location. Good video!
@Mkbhd Never. Ever. Buy a tech product based on the promise of future software updates.
I didn't - I bought it because Today it does everything I want / need it to do. Tomorrow it may do more.