Recommended mods: This Settlement Does Not Need Your Help - BS Defence Redone = makes the defenses you've built ACTUALLY MATTER. SWIFT (Settlement Workshop Integrated Fallout Teleporters) = made travelling between DLC maps more tolerable. Banana peel mine = HOURS of mindless FUN with the ragdoll physics of the game.
I'm a fallout fan that loves fallout 4. I didn't play it until after the bugs were ironed out and I've put in 100s of hours. I love the game. That said, I'm on Xbox one and before I installed the dlc my game barely crashed at all. Now that I have installed the dlc downtown Boston is a game crash minefield. I don't care about frame rates and all that but having to restart my game? That's where I draw the line. Before I installed the dlc game barely crashed. Now.. I'm scared of Boston. (There's a small possibility it's an unofficial patch problem. I'll try uninstalling it)
The mod "Alternate Start" is fantastic for this. While exploring you hear a distress call from vault 111 saying life support has failed. You go to investigate and find both Nate and Nora dead. One was murdered, and the other died in the pod. You find a recording of what went down and your playthrough becomes solving a murder as well as finding a missing person (Shawn). This completely eliminates the urgency, and you can roleplay as just another wastelander who is working with Nick Valentine to find the person from the recording. It's perfect. Alternate Dialogue Project is now up and running on Nexus! This mod was made to be paired with Alternate Start Redux and uses AI to mimic the voice of the NPCs to accommodate the new player character. Now for instance, in Fort Hagen Kellog will say "I've been watching you. I expected you to come knocking, ever since you found that holotape in Vault 111" and your character says things like "And the Boy? Where is he?". Every voice line linked you to Vault 111 or your son has been rewritten. Completely fixes the immersion when using alternate start.
As someone who's a huge Skyrim fan, Fallout 4 was my first Fallout game but I immediately modded it before having a vanilla run. The Alternate Start and survival mode options make it much more fun than the few hours of vanilla story I played. The wasteland is such a fun place to explore and try to survive when you play it outside of the main storyline
As a beta tester for Wolfenstein 3D in 1991/92 and then through the rest of the Wolfenstein series, the Dooms, the Quakes, etc. I began playing Fallout 4 the day it came out, and I'm still enjoying it now at my age of 81. I love the action, the various levels of difficulty, survival, the weapons, building settlements and Nick Valentine. Mostly, I'm just glad it's not raining.
One of the interesting things I noticed about games, especially as a person that played D&D dice and paper and was there when gaming first started, buldars gate, kings quest.. ect. The more of an imagination you have the more fun and enjoyment you get out of games, and the less you rely on graphics. The worse of an imagination you have the more graphics dependant you are.. many of my friends can't touch an indie game because of the subpar graphics.. smh 🤦 I even had Zaxon on cassette tape lol not many remember cassette based games.
I always go the other way somehow. I go in to play post-apocalyptic house flipper, and suddenly, I am neck deep in gun mods, playing Tarkov in the Commonwealth.
I'm actually very impressed with their map design in FO4. The glowing sea was a pretty cool moment when you realize the map extends what seems to be it's square bounds, and the downtown area is incredibly dense with lots of paths above and below street level and winding paths that take you all over the place. Gunplay is top notch and just feels super tight and responsive. I'm actually gonna finally get around to playing Far Harbor. I beat most of the base game but never touched any of the DLC and have heard so much glowing praise about Far Harbor.
Fo4 is a great game for what it is it’s still a rpg but it’s not a great rpg I’ve always thought fo4 had a decent based storyline and the side quests were great but one thing that the side quests lacked was choice from what I remember only like 3 side quests had a serious impact on the world around you highly recommend anyone that is playing the fallout series to play fo4 Far harbor is a great dlc
I don’t think I ever fully explored the downtown area, my Xbox kept freezing up down there. I remember walking real slow and keeping the camera to the ground to avoid a crash.
I had high expectations for far harbor but I was let down. Story was underwhelming. I then did nuka-world and I thought it was awesome. The theme park was cool. Characters are way better, the raider radio was fun for the short amount they recorded. Get Nuka world!!!!
Maybe I'm just really out of touch with the way most people play RPG's, but I've never been so completely immersed that I felt the need to rush the story, even if the story is clear something I have to do is time sensitive, I'm still aware that, in real time I don't actually have to play it as if that's the case. I've honestly never even heard of people doing this, so that's fascinating to me. If the main character is an insomniac do you not sleep for days to really get into the role prior to playing it? I mean, I take the story seriously, but _to a point_ but I'm still going to play the game the same way I play any RPG, which is prioritizing side content.
It’s an open world. You’re supposed to wander and run into crap. I’m with you. I can’t relate to people who came and tried to ram rod the main story like they were playing The Last of Us or something.
Same here. I love immediately putting the main quest line aside to explore the world and find random things to do. In RDR2 I literally never finished the story because I just ended up playing it as a wild west cowboy simulator lol
@@iiiiiiiiiiii90000000 Me too! Once I had the freedom to roam in RDR2 I went straight back to the mountains, killed some animals, and eventually died because I fell off of something. The gang was fleeing the mountains because the authorities were chasing them, but I still went straight back there. Not long after that, I found myself getting eaten by a gator many hours before the story lead to Saint Denis.
@@ЕгорПещерский, except FNV, all are crap. story have and ending. after that is just another story. and you can keep playing a story without a scripted ending. i also like the story the most in everything, mostly in videogames, but Fallout 1 and anything before Fallout 3 is just awful. looks horrible and immersion is zero. almost as bad as Fallout 76. Fallout 3 is probably the best game ever...in every way. Edit: i`ve spent over ten thousand hours in Fallout 3 and almost three thousand in Fallout 4. FNV, roughly two thousand. so, i know the games perfectly. probably better than their creators. every single one heavily modded. +300 mods FO4, 3 & NV lighter: 90-100 mods each.
There's a mod I sometimes use that gives you infinite vertibird summons for fast travel. You can get it when you join the brotherhood. It's a nice change to the fast travel system.
@@cypher5009 If you want something comprehensive then I would recommend the Horizon mod. It's basically a full rebalance of the game that tunes it way more towards exploration and survival. It does make the game a bit harder, but you can tweak some difficulty settings within the mod itself.
Survival mode makes the game SO MUCH better. The changes aren't that huge, but they have a drastic impact on the gameplay and the feeling of the world. Like the question why don't you just concentrate all your energy on rescuing your son? You can't. Getting around is hard, you need to build bases to survive, improve your gear, and keep on exploring. Exclusively focussing on your search is just not feasible. You'll die on your way to Fort Hagen, with a half-empty gun and a belly full of parasites from eating raw meat to stay alive. Doesn't solve the lackluster story problem completely, but makes going slow on the story much easier to justify if you are roleplaying. Or the fact hat you have to walk everywhere. Running the same ways multiple times gave me a whole new understanding of Boston's layout. I never got that with fast travel, I just clicked where I wanted to go, never had to walk anywhere twice. Now you can't just drop in to Diamond City, sell your stuff, and be away. Now it's an actual trip you need to plan. Or how about the Institute teleporter and the Brotherhood vertibirds? You can use them in normal mode, but nobody does, because fast travel is so much quicker. But in survival mode? There is no fast travel. So these useless features suddenly become major benefits, making you think very carefully if and when you want to part with those factions. In conclusion: I can only recommend trying survival mode.
@@8bitbeardcothe games shallow, diamond city has like 2 quests that both suck outside of thr main story quests shoved into it. Megaton was the worst aspect of Fallout 3 especially on multiple playthroughs, and then they made a 2nd Megaton.
Th difference I've heard from friends who love New Vegas is that the problem is motivation. In Fallout 4 your motivation is to find you're missing newborn; something that requires haste and all of your attention. In New Vegas, your motivation is Revenge, something that gets better the more work and time you put into it. In Fallout 4 they demand your haste for no reason, but in New Vegas they want you to play the long game.
Learning that many developers at Obsidian at the time of New Vegas' development were actually big fans of the original 2 Fallout games, it's shining mastery starts to make a lot more sense. I've never played the originals, but I do understand their stories and what you can do in them, and oh boy do we really need something so inspired like New Vegas to happen again for Fallout.
I do not agree. There is no more important reason to do all the things like trying to find your son. This argument for the story is very strong. All makes sense in the game. New vegas is too much... new vegas.
the part of fallout 4 like all bethesda games that i really love is... that it's absolutely impossible to focus on the main story no matter how laser focused of a person you are... you are bound to get stuck into one branching side quest or another through no fault or intent of your own.
I'd disagree, any new game I play, my first playthrough I always focus on the main story only, second I do EVERYTHING that isn't a repeatable quest, then the story, third and on, I do whatever I want. Only time I don't focus on the main story, is if they don't even let you know which quest is which, just give you a quest, you do it, if it progress the story, who knows unless they do something to let you know.
@@WinegedDragoon let me paint a picture... imagine you're walking down a skyrim street... and suddenly a talking dog comes up to you and asks you to follow it.. and you are on your main story quest.. do you abandon your quest and follow the dog? or you ignore the "Talking Dog" and get on with your main quest?
@@JustAPakistaniGamer As I said, my first playthrough of any game I play is always focused on the main story. Unless they don't give a clear idea of what the main story is my focus is the main story.
Don’t get your hopes up too high. Writers don’t have a say on the game design. Bethesda has shown to be bankrupt of ideas and effort. Radial quests look like they are going to be even more involved in Starfield
Well, he's already confirmed to be the lead quest designer for Starfield. With Far Harbor Shen has already proved that he knows his stuff in terms of videogame writing and that was only a dlc - imagine how much potential this guy has if he is given an entire new IP.
If Fallout 4 was basically Far Harbor entirely but bigger, it would have been received a lot better for sure. That DLC has an amazing atmosphere and even touches on some philosophical questions I can dig. So Chen absolutely deserves his chance. If Bethesda can get a good marriage between player freedom and narrative/atmosphere going, Starfield's gonna be golden. In that sense it's looking good so far and we'll see about the rest. I love my modded F4 but it's time for them to kick into higher gear. The usual shenanigans of the past are successful but they won't be forgiven forever.
@@ryanglacier30 Sure, but part of the reception is those UA-camrs who say it sucks. As someone playing and modding the game, I too have my issues with it. Nothing deal breaking though. As is the case with every Bethesda game.
@@youarealwayscorrect much potential to fail lol. Bethesda hasn't made a good game since I was a teenager man. Prepare for fallout 76 in space , obsidian couldn't even pull it off and they made the last good fallout game.
My favourite thing about FO4 is that it's so incredibly dense with locations that really reward you with little stories of what went down before the war started or sometimes more recently
@@hiphopefx if that is what it takes to enjoy a game, then it's a bad game. Why should I have to "reevaluate" how I play a game to enjoy it? That's fucking dumb and you know it.
@@theincrediblefella7984 because I played it like the old games and I wasn’t seeing what Bethesda was trying to do until I approached it from a different playstyle. It pretty much says this in he video. Keep up.
You nailed it with the key problem people had. It wasn't the bugs; it was the fact that Fallout 4 was such a departure from the more story driven RPG that they implied it was going to be.
I dont get the criticism about the main story of fallout 4. Spoilers, but you find your kid half way through. So the initial big issue is resolved. Then you can explore, and eventually pick your side regarding the Institute. And even when that is resolved, the side quests remain. Most of my hours are after the 'end' and I am still finding people to help. IMO, Bethesda did this perfectly.
@@RandomWandrerif that’s your opinion then yeah, we can disregard your nonsense 😂😂 A doctor and hobo can both give your their opinion on strange mole you have, but one is worth more than the other..
@@RandomWandrer The exploration in the game is absolute trash tier, One building full of generic raiders is not going to be any different from the 500 other buildings full of generic raiders. Although sometimes you will encounter a building full of green raiders.
I probably spent 600+ hours across 3 or 4 different play throughs and never even came close to finishing the main story line but I loved every minute of that buggy stress fest.
It's nice spending so many hours on a game and never reaching the end. The world still lives on, and there are still things in the world you never experienced.
This is why I'm kind of against people who complain about the main story in Bethesda game, or want them to put more effort into it. That shit should be entirely optional. If it's too good or rewards you too much, we'd actually have to play it. I've around 2k hours in Skyrim and only completed the main quest once, and that's how I like it.
I gave it another shot last week, and idk what finally clicked for me, but I'm having a blast. It took about 7 years, but I can finally say that I like the game now. I stopped looking at it with the high expectations I had at launch, and I'm growing to love it. I was low level in downtown Boston and had Rust Devils, Gunners, Super Mutants, and Raiders all fighting each other because they spawned in, and then fighting me, too. It was a goddamned war zone, and I died plenty of times before I was the last man standing, I think that was the turning point for me, personally, and not the first time I was caught in that situation, either.
In my playthrough, legendary bloatfly, aggressive Mr gutsy, assaultron and deathclaw spawn right next to each other with me in the middle. It's was a warzone.
I always play the “find Shaun” arc as just a really long opening quest. I go scorched earth and burn through everything, kill Kellogg, etc until I get to the point where I need to enter the Glowing Sea. Then I go exploration mode as I need to work to save up enough for either a hazmat suit or power armor (or I just join the Brotherhood). Once I get what I need, I go scorched earth again until I find Shaun. After that, I play it like my character has been mentally and emotionally broken and I return to the wastes to explore and work more.
It's quite a good game on it's own, but certainly an awful Fallout game. I've played it myself for so many hours and I like playing it if I think to myself that it's not Fallout. Them putting in a voiced main character was a bad choice, the storyline is awful, side stories are rather fun, exploration is very bland the locations themselves are good but there is no depth to them, nothing of note for each location. The game itself is good and enjoyable to play but a failure of a Fallout game.
I have been replaying it for the last 9-10 days and I’ve been getting really nostalgic. I did put in a tremendous amount of time in my original play through but this time feels just as good if not better.
Me too! Never actually beat it though.. barely got into the main story as I was enjoying exploration and maxing companion affinities. I've been enjoying it
Same man, 500+ hours back on release, it's all I played for the first year it was out. It was the second ps4 game I got. Real life prevented me from playing nuka world past the first hour or 2. I reinstalled it yesterday, starting a new save file with a few graphical mods, might also add a few quality of life ones. I feels so sad, happy and nostalgic, I know this wasn't exactly what people wanted for fall out but I love this game. Elden ring, witcher 3 and a few other games might be "the best games ever created" (and both of those games are in my top 5 fav's) but fo4 really is my fav game if all time just becasue of how I felt playing it when it came out. I cannot wait to sink another 100-200 hours into it with the dlc, exploring again, experiencing it again because I've forgotten alot about it and doing the occasional legendary weapon grind for stupid fun stuff like explosive mini guns, shotguns and furious rippers. This game is like supermarket pizza compared to 5 star restaurant salad; yea the salad is amazing and overall it's the best for you, best made, and most well polished, but God damn I love a shitty, greasy supermarket, oven cooked pizza
Glad you bring this all up. I'm an admitted Fallout 2 purist, yet I find myself really loving the gameplay loop in FO4 minus the main story. The musical score alone gets me excited to explore. A lot of flavorful side quests to be experienced and not to mention Far Harbor.
@@travisbickle3835 The main story is not the most important thing in a Bethesda RPG. It never has been. The main story is only there provide an extension to the open-ended exploration Bethesda titles offer. I've never had so much fun in an RPG as I did turning Starlight into a gladitorial arena.
There comes a time in the main story line where after discovering a few things about your son and where he is, that you *HAVE* to explore and recruit more settlements into the Minute Men faction, which is a good spot to break off and explore and do all you said was rather fun. At least... that's where all my decisions lead me, rolling with the Minute Men all the way, with some minor interactions with the Rail Road and Brotherhood. However the story line is played out, there comes a time where it's logical to say, "Ok, now I know where Shawn is. Now it's time to focus on building up resources, fortifying settlements, making friends, gaining support and manpower to get to finally get to him." For which, the time doing all that would be justified as necessary to achieve the goal: Make it to my son.
I actually really like Sim settlements 2 and a variety of survival focused mods for this. Because while I feel like Bethesda _wanted_ you to need to build things up to go after Shawn... You really didn't need to. They make you build _one_ settlement for some faction, and put _one_ unique item in it. But with the right additions, you suddenly need medical supplies, more complex gear, tools, etc. And the best way to get all of that is through building up settlements.
same here, after i killed kellog and went into his brain and found out that shawn is much older and he's inside the institute, at that point i started focusing on completing more factions quests for the minutemen and railroad, recruiting more settlements, etc. it makes sense to me since the institute is clearly quite powerful
I was kind of the same, I was enjoying the story until Shawn suggested it was time to choose between factions and thought it would be great for me to lead the institute. Felt everyone was trying to use me for their benefit when actuality it was more beneficial for me to have the random patrols from the Institue and Brotherhood in the open world… especially being at lowers levels so I never finished the main mission and 5 years later I’m still not an enemy to any of the factions.
Man, you brought up one of my biggest pet peeves that no one talks about which is these open world games that want you to explore but give you a main quest that feels unrealistic to ignore. It drives me crazy. Subscribed immediately.
Yeah, that's why I'm playing with the Start Me Up mod, completely changes the experience because I don't feel like my character is being a terrible parent by meandering around when they should be looking for their son. I think ideally the first few main story quests in an open world game would give you a goal but one without any sense of urgency, then have the urgent feel of the quests ramp up as you go along but also have natural "Okay we need to do x but you need to make sure you're prepared." breakpoints
Yup. Its why main stories that are about the setting affecting the people in it rather than the main character's problems is best for an open world game that has tons of content to do in it. The NCR-Legion war in the Mojave. The Tribunal-Sixth House condlict in Morrowind. The socio economic and nutritional collapse of the Halcyon system. Even Skyrim with the Imperial-Stormcloak civil war.
I hear what you’re saying & people I know personally have said the same thing. But I disagree. If it’s an open world game exploration & side content is a given. But I think there’s a sort of gamer OCD in which people get obsessed with completing the man quest as it’s presented on the quest menu screen they interpret that as a bad game design. But at no time ever have I played an open world game & just focused on the main quest. It’s because if you start out with the main quest getting from one point to another you’ll stumble upon a side quest. Then you’ll see or hear about another location & explore it. But I think some people get fixated on that main quest menu then interpret the game to being a limited experience. There’s plenty of linear games out there but people go into open world games as if they are linear which they are not & were never meant to be.
@@Thatdeal79 To clarify, they're not complaining about the existence of side quests. The complaint is that, from a narrative standpoint, we're often given quest objectives that make undertaking side quests when what we're meant to be doing should realistically be extremely urgent ruins immersion, so the choice becomes "ignore sidequest and focus on the main story for immersion" or "destroy immersion to do side content" while the game itself could be designed in a way that allows for noth methods without breaking immersion. Fallout New Vegas is a food example of this, where following the main quest leads you into side content while also not feeling immediately urgent and thus allowing someone to do the side content (or even ignore the recommended path entirely) without feeling like they're acting a way that causes dissonance with the narrative. tl;dr side content is fine, but having a main story quest that feels like it should be urgent - such as tracking down unknown murderers that have kidnapped your child makes doing things at a leisurely pace feel disconnected from the narrative.
I'm pushing 40 and the best thing for me in the past 8 yrs are playing games today that were "ehh" when they flopped on release. I'm itching to pick back up on my 30-ish hours save file of FO4. You're doing God's work my dude!
@Guts I don't understand what it's got to do with fo4, but even with its controversial launch cp77 already sold more than 20mln copies, so it's not doing poorly by any means.
@Guts @Guts there was a single game breaking bug that prevented progress on the main quest and it was fixed within a few days. I logged 500 hours and most bugs came from mods. If you didn't like the game why are commenting on a video about said game?
The game doesn't end when the main story is resolved. You can speed through that, then spend as much as you time exploring and playing through the side content. My problem is that I tend to feel my character is so absorbed in the main story that I have a hard time finding their identity after it ends.
I have been replaying fallout 4 and it's been an absolute blast of a time, survival mode is the way to go imo, it was weird to initially adapt but now I love it, one of my best gaming experiences yet
@@monsieurmearoni1977 maybe in some next gen version, then maybe the game doesn’t crash everytime.I personally like to build in every single settlement, so maybe that makes the game havier and makes him crashes even more, it’s literally 2-3 times a day (playing on Xbox one), and playing like that, it would be impossible to save progress. So I’ll have to stick with very hard difficulty But considering that you like survival, have you ever tried older games like fallout 1-2 or Morrowind? Morrowind it’s kinda similar to fallout survival but do a deeper experience
Thanks for this video!!! It totally revealed the reason why I love Fallout 4 and Skyrim sooo much. My favorite thing to do in games is explore and get distracted by the side quests, so these games are a perfect fit for me. I am thrilled that you gave Fallout a second chance and found the charm within the glitches!!! 😃🥰🤪
I was convinced that Shawn had been taken from 111 shortly after the war (read the terminal in the security office), so I had NO urgency and basically forgot about him for several hundred hours. I had a lot of fun just roaming the wasteland like Mad Max, learning how gaming had changed in the 20 years I had been away. (1998 to 2018, no gaming at all.)
Agreed. When I saw I was refrozen after Nora's death it was pretty obvious that any amount of time could pass. Even if you pushed real hard, it isn't that far in that you see that Sean is 8-10 with Kellog... the urgency falls quite quickly from that quest... it is more a background motivation that will always be there. The radiant quests to help settlers felt more urgent in most cases... so I had to pull away and do those, grumbling that I wanted to look for my kid. It felt like a good balance to me, I liked it.
I like the way NV handles what you're talking about with Main Quest vs. Side Content. NV keeps throwing side content at you, putting it in your path as optional things you can do along the path of the main quest. And if you do all the side content, a lot of it actually ends up significantly affecting the main quest ending.
Never played any fallout before. But what I enjoy the most in rpg's are how the decisions affect the story, besides gameplay and overall world environment. Should I play NV or 4? I play on console btw.
@edulohay956 if choice is most important to you then you want to play NV hands down and it's not even close. Fallout 4 is a really fun survival RPG with a couple of simple mods but it doesn't have much in the way of choice compared to the other games
@@edulohay956FNV has way better story, dialogues, and character development/agency with just enough gunplay. But FO4 has better gunplay, gunfights, but less coherent stories and your choices “mostly” don’t matter.
I will never forget the first time I started Fallout. (Fallout 3) Everything was fine at first... but when I exited the Vault, I was more scared than I've ever been in a game. This uncertainty that a creature could already see me, or that I would enter the wrong area and die miserably, it was terrifying and yet I couldn't stop playing it. The worst were the subways, where the ghouls screamed in the dark and ran at me in hordes. After all, they were the worst until I met the first super mutant Centaur xD Nights in Fallout were even worse. I've always gone to the cities at night to sleep. (I mean I was 11 years old when). That's how I felt in real life too. Whenever the evening came, I didn't dare to start Fallout anymore, even though I watched the most violent horror films at that age. When you really are in that other world, it's an even more intense experience. After playing through the second time, I had completely overcome my fear and since then I have been playing almost exclusively with melee weapons to be able to see the faces of my victims, whom I erase from existence. My favorite game, right after Elder Scrolls.
@@M0RGAT0RY To be honest yes. But I love the entire Elders Scrolls series, so I don't usually name the individual title. Skyrim is still a grandiose masterpiece. I felt more at home in this virtual world than in real life. The beauty, adventure and immense peace of this game was simply intoxicating. Skyrim probably saved my life back then because I had no other reason to want to continue living. So I feel nothing but love for this game.
@@detrik01 its not the only one but its readily available vanilla so no need for mod headaches. Basically enemies deal more damage but so do you. Also, you can only save if you sleep but you get a stacking damage buff if you don't sleep.
@@Watchful049 imo the cant save feature sucks but can be easily adjusted with 1 mod. I think the best way to play survival mode is get Survival config menu and just adjust anything you dont like
@@Watchful049 I just don't think it's good game design to outsource gameplay fixes to player-made mods. Fixing the issue of bullet sponges should have been applied to all modes by the devs, not one mode most people won't even play on
I thought fallout 4 had an amazing story. the fact he says this basically means he hates the game. i can only enjoy games if they have a good story. god why did the game so close to my heart have to be objectively bad
@@robertdowling4673 It's fine for you to enjoy things others find bad bro. Sometimes you can accept something having flaws and still love it with all your soul because whatever personal reason you can think of. Imo the problem lies when you go around attacking others when they criticize something you like and you take their criticism as a personal attack, which they are not. If you don't do that, keep on enjoying FO4 without remorse my dude
@@MinosML its not about admitting the game has flaws. I admit the minutemen suck, I dislike the settlement building, etc. A game just needs to have a good story for me to enjoy it. If it doesn't then my enjoyment of it was void.
I’ve played fallout four three times and this final time I actually explored the game and actually leveled up. When you do that and pick a good faction, it becomes a real good experience. You can get more armors the more you explore, as you level up you could come across far more powerful power armors such as the X-01. That I think, is where this game shines.
Going through the game again after a few years, super excited to get back into exploring and settlement building! Only one thing I'm dreading in Far Harbor...Dima's memories 😵💫
@@yaboirichard591 pretty much any game with a narrative timer, hard to fix in CPunk, in TW3, by using a couple of dialogs, in RDR2 maybe you are trying to go the path of redemption and fix the wrold before you go to hell?
After beating the game, I have probably spent 200 hours or so just building settlements. Got some mods for more stuff to build and remove the build limit and you can do some really cool stuff. I have some going up into the clouds, some built on the water, etc.
I honestly don't give a shit what other people think. I LOVEE Fallout 4, it's a masterpiece. The fact that you're making a video about it 15+ years after it launched is a testament to that.
When I hit the endgame I couldn't come back. I was so frustrated that all my settlement building meant absolutely nothing, there were no end-game systems designed for the settlements to continue growing or trading or interacting in any meaningful way. Do mods fix that?
I loved the game tbf. The random, dynamic nature of the open world, where it felt like nothing that happened was ‘scripted’, made it so much fun to explore. The settlement system was really cool - building houses, recruiting people, giving everyone jobs, setting up trade routes (that the AI literally walked lol) etc. was a great addition. Can barely remember the main story but it’s still one of my favourite games of all time 😅
Settlements were a buggy tedious mess you were forced to do. It was awful. Horrific gameplay making those bases. The worst base building on the market, even at the time. Every single time I tried playing that game, that shit bugged out. Every single time. It is legitimately their worst game.
Sim Settlement 2 made the Settlement system great for me. It gave it kind of a sense, managing not one but a bunch of settlements wich are kind of able to develop by it's own and the last update even gives you an HQ to manage. Everything is kind of clunky of cause. It's a mod =D But I enjoyed my rerun.
I agree Luke. I lately just modded the shit out of my game to fix all the issues I had with this game. Modifying damage modifiers in difficulties to make it so I deal the same amount of damage enemies do to me, being able to save the game anytime I wish in survival difficulty cause, well Bethesda games do love to crash so fuck only saving when I sleep. The biggest issue I had was the narrative kinda pushing me forward. But now I just use an alternate start mod that just lets me create a character and formulate my own backstory selecting my starting place of choice, etc. etc. Like right now, my character is an drifter, a deserter of the Enclave from way back who was forcibly conscripted to join as an orphan after the Enclave MADE him an orphan during a strike that resulted in civilian casualties, taking his parents in the crossfire, he came to resent the Enclave once he discovered it was their fault, and the way they approached combat situations, and during the events of Fallout 3, after the Enclave falls, he slaughters his CO and his former comrades then hides out in a settlement somewhere outside the capital wasteland. Groups of bounty hunters look for surviving members of the enclave for a lump sum of caps. So he was forced to move with little to carry, being pushed further north along the shore with a rather wrecked hazmat suit he used often in places of really terrible radioactive fallout, until he finds himself scouring an old plane wreckage in what he now knows was called the Glowing Sea of the Commonwealth. And that's where my story takes form. Yes I start as a little level 1 in a survival difficulty run in the glowing sea... we gamers man :)
If you take the story seriously, you will be a fallout lore nut who throws a piss-baby temper tantrum when they find jet in a supposed pre-war container
I was like that with 500 hours played, last time I played was early 2017. But something made me reinstall today and I can't wait to dump another couple of hundred in it over the next few months on arvos after work and weekends
I always assumed that I would need to improve my skills/weapons/armor and generally be more established within the world to be capable to saving Shaun so I did a good deal of exploring and side quests before completing the main story and didn't really feel super rushed. My biggest complaint was some of the faction's just didn't make much sense like the railroad wiping synth's memories and the institute insisting that the synths were not people while simultaneously tying to make them as human-like as possible.
I never had the chance to play Fallout 4, even tho I always wanted to, but I've played Fallout 3 and New Vegas. I really don't understand his view of "RPG players will run for the main quest and miss the exploration", and I love RPG's exactly because I always liked to screw around in the world, doing all kinds of stuff and becoming powerful, knowing interesting and wacky characters, are we the weird ones?
@@azazel8700 let me see of i can clarify this, what he means by "RPG player" is a player of role playing games, traditional role playing requires you take on the character you play, so you play the game like how the character would progress through the world. Now thats not to say how you play is wrong, but at the core of RPGs is playing the character not the mechanics
@@rileyevans2989 And you can justify exploration to almost any character like the original comment said, even if less so than just playing like any non-RPG character, so I still don't see this the same way as he did
I mean.... Yes you can justify exploration, but when you are playing the role of the character, if the plot, using fallout 4 as an example, gives you a sense of urgency (saving Shaun), you have to justify making the choice to explore versus saving your son, which makes it so player who are trying to get immersed in the plot don't find the best parts of fallout 4.
@@rileyevans2989 Yeah I can see people missing out, but it isn't clear to me how many of the RPG players would or how many would do that and not replay it to find more things, it is a bit foreigner the thought of not exploring to me since I always did it a lot. That aside, can I make a question? Is English your first language?
I dropped it for a year or so, then mods happened. I run across a video practically every week that has something I've missed over the course of nearly 100 playthroughs and three game systems (2 Xbox Ones and now Xbox X).
BTW I dropped it for about a year also. Wanted a game to spend hours on due to becoming unemployed and came right to this. The mods make it even better.@@brettbaxter7882
Loved this video! You nailed a lot of things here. Expectations are hard to manage, but upon each returning trip I have to Fallout 4 I find myself enjoying the things that it’s trying to do better than previous entries moreso than what it falls short on. I’d really suggest diving back into Far Harbor if you have the time. It’s a stellar expansion that adds a lot of that narrative flair and choice that the base game was missing
I actually loved this video as well but tend to disagree with him. I'm guessing because I'm a veteran of the series and completing side quest are just part of the experience. U know to do them and with not having an 'in days' clock, u are free to roam. I can tell he's not a player of the early titles (1 and 2) maybe not even fallout 3. Most of us love the lore and the addition or advancements of the factions and he didn't mention nothing pertaining to that even once. No problem though, we all see things differently. He mentioned the story was totally bad, which I don't think it was, but definitely could have been a little more substantive. Also, when he alluded to Oswald the Great, he obviously did not read the terminals, because the backstory to him however far fetched, is absolutely 100% fallout-ish in nature. (I'm imagining he didn't get Krehm's tooth either) I agree with u that Far Harbor is an excellent DLC and if u played it last like me, bringing Nick with u is too good of an extra treat. Did u get everything from the island? Any settlements? I may start my 5th playthrough soon....
Funny enough I m playing Fallout 4 atm! Perfect video to release right now hahaha Tbh I got it since the start that you were supposed to explore and not rush the storyline! But mostly because of the acting of the main character, he s looking for his son yes but he never actually feels « emotionally connected » to the search. It just feels like it s the only thing he can do since he s a person out of time. But the more you meet people and create new relationships, the less you feel the urgency of the main plot line!
They dropped the ball on the tone of the main character. He's just so ho-hum about everything. Missed a real opportunity to play on the '200 year old man' thing. That's a giant misstep, but I still love the game, playing it again now.
@@FatElephant19 The story is awesome, but it could have been presented and delivered in a more convincing way. Having more meaningful RPG elements would have helped to further immerse the player in the story. None of that has stopped me from putting in over 500 hours though.
I started a new game just a month ago, playstation gave me the 76 version through their premium stuff. I was so dissapointed with 76 I booted fo4 again lol. LOVING it, playing on a higher difficulty and picking EVERYTHING different from my playthrough 7 years ago(as far as I can remember) I usually don't play singleplayer games......so my opinion on story is useless.
Yes!! This has been my biggest issue with the game is the narrative. How can I just run around when my son was kidnapped. It really made the story hard to sort out.
But that's every open world game pretty much.. Theres always a huge world ending plot you are involved in yet you kill time doing side quests. Who cares
Because it is a story with mass appeal, and lots of people, maybe most, prefer some a narrative they can identify with, as opposed to a blank avatar. If you expect major game developers to err towards satisfying the small, hardcore demographic at every turn, you'll be perennially disappointed. Moreover, its strange to me how gamers just want the same experience over and over again. For BGS, ES are the blank-face avatar games, Fallout are the character-with-a-backstory games.
@@johnnyflannigan136 Nope Red dead 2 was a game that had a good narrative while doing open world. The problem is picking which story to tell in open world. An ensemble story works for a open world setting
After playing many RPG games, I discovered that it's easier to fight the end boss when you're at a higher level and in order to reach a higher level you have to finish as many side quests as possible. So you can either take the story seriously and finish just that, or you can take the story very very seriously and become a demi god, collect the best gear and then absolutely annhilate the final boss.
Thanks for your video. I think you might be missing something though. I followed the fallout 4 story completely, and I also explored completely. One does not prevent the other from happening. I love the story, and I love exploring a lot! You can just simply do both. There’s not a clock ticking on the story. I just did the whole thing really laid-back and enjoyed all aspects.
I agree with you. Loved this game. One of my faves. But what I think he means is that if you go into this game from a pure RPG perspective (ie: you follow the main questline exclusively) you miss out on a lot. But I believe its a naïve position. Games like this are meant to have multiple play throughs. Which is what i did. My 1st playthrough was 100% RPG quest line. Then I installed a bunch of mods and had a great time conquering the commonwealth.
TBH, im not even thinking of the main story. I love exploring and looting to develop my community and i totally enjoy playing this game that i owned for so many years but never end up playing.
Yeah I really do love the story for fallout 4. I like the mix of the Captain America origin story with this terminator feeling when it comes to the institute. I liked the reputation system when it comes to factions in NV but sometimes it really really annoyed me. I’m actually glad that it wasn’t in the 4th game(that way I could do whatever I wanted with a lot of side quests for different factions). All you have to do is know which quest is the point of no return. I just wish that the institute explained their goals a little better and I wish the Minutemen had more content.
Finally someone who manages to get it. You are indeed searching for your son...but in a completely unfamiliar and hostile environment. That basically allows for all the RPG potential you want. You gotta survive and learn about the world first to find the person you're looking for.
Just meandering around the world in Survival Mode is where I found the game at its best. Suddenly, the settlements matter because you actually need a safe place to go. The map becomes an obstacle course, where you have to plan your route if you want to achieve something. The random crafting stations out in the wild can literally keep you alive. Working with the Brotherhood becomes incentivized because it’s suddenly an asset to summon transportation to fly you around. A random event can easily get you killed and cost you an hour of progress, which has you breathing a sigh of relief if you survive something random. Still very flawed, and the main story is still unforgivably misguided, but wasn’t it the same in Skyrim? I enjoyed the Dragonborn lore journey, but most players spent more time farting around with the Dark Brotherhood and whatnot.
I also love how he says you’re just gonna have a bad time if you follow the story rather than wandering around the map. Dude you could choose to complete the main story and afterwards still have hundreds of side quest and tasks. With Fallout 4 you can literally choose your own path. Wanna melee build? Do it. Wanna stealth build? Do it. Explosives? High tech mods? Power armor? Minutemen build? Anything. All those little choices you make have a drastic affect on how your game is going to look in the “end”.
Fallout 1 and 2 were amazing regarding that Open world feeling and main quests. You did side quests as it was needed to survive and often to make progress to the story you had to travel the whole map.
I played this as a RPG. I just played it as if my character kinda knew or assumed we were refrozen for a long period after our son was taken, made it still worth searching for answers but not immediately necessary compared to learning to live in the shattered world we woke up to. Allowed me to stay immersed while exploring and slowly learning about our son's whereabouts and whether he was even still alive and only pushing farther once the story gave more info on such. But I do see your points on why you feel it is not what you were looking for in a RPG.
Good point. I think Fallout 3 does this a little better though, even if they do provide a set background for the character there too. But there you're a teenager who's having to adapt to the harsh wasteland, and you know that your dad is probably capable of handling himself somewhat better than you, so you can take time getting used to the world and not rush the main quest.
@@Undivided-X I agree, Fallout 3 did a better job but the gameplay hasn't aged as well with that game. I was kinda hoping at the end of 4 we would find out that the sole survivor actually died in the vault due to the malfunction and we were a Synth experiment on memory transfer or seeing if Synths could have humanity or something. Would explain the ability to craft or modify anything without prior engineering and architecture knowledge and would've given us a ship of Theseus type story. Oh well, still find the story above average, which is still good imo.
While I agree that that assumption (and later knowledge) is the right way to approach it for the best experience of it, I feel like the early dialog is conveying a sense of urgency with the writing and voice acting, especially the distress in the player character in the meeting with Codsworth if choosing lines that don't make you sound like you don't care about your child's kidnapping.
@@3ventic I suppose so, though I think a longer prewar sequence with quest helping neighbors and doing stuff with your family would have helped make you care more, I mean we knew our spouse and child for all of maybe 3 to 5 minutes before everything went down. Didn't help myself much when trying to feel for the loss truthfully. Also reading terminals inside the vault during escape also shows you that timescale could be way off as you had been cryogenically frozen twice and then you go out and Codsworth literally states 200 to 210 years have gone by. My sense of chasing a potentially dead child would drop to a side venture compared to surviving in a hostile environment. Just how I felt, not saying your completely wrong but everyone takes things differently. And no I'm not a father in real life, sure that might change my perspective a bit.
This is how I played it aswell when I first got the game a year ago. Bethesda really made that story urgent so it made it tough to explain it away but I still enjoyed the experience in general.
Lol, how little people know about industry. An automotive parts manufactuer I worked at for a year produced the wastegate actuator for a car that was sold as being particularly high-revving. Way too far into development, the car manufacturer found that the actuator mount resonated at frequencies within the range it was supposed to operate. They sold the car as it was with the revs limited to a safe range and threw in a free first service at an official dealership. They then worked on a solution that was installed at that first service, where they also removed the limiter. This was all kept from the customers who, to this day, still have no idea that this happened. I only spent a year in the automotive industry and assumed this to be quite remarkable, but have since been told that this kind of story is very common.
The big twist for Fallout 4 not only didn't surprise me, I expected it and didn't even realize it was supposed to be a twist. You literally go under cryosleep for a second time after your son is taken and I literally thought "gee, I wonder if when I wake up again, my son will be all grown up?" And then my character kept saying "I'm looking for my young son" over and over and over. And I'm like "how do you even know he's still young?". It wasn't even a twist and honestly I feel like I missed something that was supposed to make me think not much time had passed.
I was the same. The game literally shows us going back into cryosleep, how tf could anyone think no time had passed?! Even on the first play through. It can’t be considered a twist.
I just started playing Fallout 4 for the first time at the beginning of this month. I'm always a few years behind, lol. I am enjoying the hell out of it, but I went in knowing it was glitchy as hell. Watching a brahmin randomly fly perfectly vertical in the background while I was talking to a settler almost made me fall down laughing. Story wise, I love learning about the companions way more than caring about the main story.
I played it for 4 hours on launch night my freshman year, and never beat it, maybe 20 percent. And I've recently started playing it and man, 200 hours of pure fun. Gameplay wise the best fallout.
wait for some giant boss mob flying through the air like team rocket, when you just killed it with a fkn pipe riffle 😎👉🏻👉🏻 pow pow... 😂 (Love it anyway)
@@devincarter7020 yep, maybe is not the best in writing, but I finally have fun with the shooter part of the game, you can feel that ID software helped with that part
There are several mods that give you your own vertibird. You can also drive a motorcycle, or even a ridable Giddyup Buttercup. You should also take Nick Valentine with you when you got to Far Harbor and encounter the synths for the 1st time. Also, wearing the Silver Shroud outfit gives different dialogue during encounters (especially with the Mechanist DLC). Oh, and there are dozens of huge, amazingly well-done quests mods available that add TONS of content and new world-spaces. Enjoy.
I know this is an old video. But of all of the video games I've played no other rpg comes close to Bethesda for the love of the games. Like I can still go back to morrowind, fallout 3, oblivion, new vegas, skyrim, and fallout 4 and spend a solid month playing them like they were brand new. Side note: the people who "played the game wrong" it's deeper then that. You wake up and it's culture shock after culture shock after culture shock for your character. Like when you went to sleep you knew a few bombs hit. You had no idea at what the level of devastation was left behind. You didn't know how close you were. You go into the vault and all you know is a bomb hit. You wake up and see your wife get killed and son gets taken. You wake up again and see the world for the first time and are like holy shit wtfffffff. And from there the shocks never stop. Like walking through town and zombies fall from the top of a building and attack you. To how the animals look. Like looking for your son would literally be the only thing keeping you going in this hellscape
I thought fallout 4 had an amazing story. the fact he says this basically means he hates the game. i can only enjoy games if they have a good story. god why did the game so close to my heart have to be objectively bad
When I first played Fallout 4, I really felt the pressure to persue the main quest. After all, my son had been kidnapped. The problem was, I got sucked into the Minutemen story line, which became the needy girlfriend that jealously kept pulling me away from anything not involving them. This lead me to throwing in the towel, and starting over with a different character a few times. Eventually I found a sweet spot where I would just ignore most of the Minute men "emergencies", and played like a free form RPG where I had no annoying son to rescue. I leave the game for a year or so, but then miss the fun of exploration, and start it up again. Lots of replayabliity.
I don’t understand how you will have a bad time playing the main story and how it puts you in the situation where you don’t explore or meet other characters or do any side quests, etc. I took the story seriously and was able to do all of those things.
The vertibird encounter with the Brotherhood that you showed wasn't because Raiders shot them. It happened to me all the time. They are just very bad at flying or bugged because every time you see them they just crash like they were drunk.
The fact that he doesn't know this makes me wonder if he has even played FO4 for any length of time. Once the Brotherhood are activated and start conducting air operations in the Commonwealth, they get shot down all the time. It seems like their mission in life is to stir shit up and get shot down. It is great for scavenging combat armor and laser weapons from their crashes though. Thanks BoS!
@@HuskyOffset he hasn't, just a toxic bait vlogger who churns out shit reviews after doing 10% of games and spends a good hour repeating the same clichés. His review on horizon fw speaks for itself. Said he spent 30 hours in the daunt and thought it was part of the map from first game 😂😂
Man I remember back in June 2015 when the Fallout social media accounts posted the please stand by image, I was super hyped, I knew an announcement of Fallout 4 was imminent and man that reveal trailer was so good, the soundtrack by Inon Zur, still gives me chills 🙌 I must have re watched it at least 30 times!! Fallout 4 was so good, so many memories! Happy 25th anniversary Fallout 👏👏👏👏👏😊
fallout 4 was my first M rated game, as well as my first Bethesda game, and truly set the tone for my gaming later. For that reason, I will always consider it one of my favorite games ever
It’s got such a nice vibe to it. You’re all alone in this world, and you meet all these people and you have all these interactions. Also, who can forget Dogmeat, that cute little guy?
I started playing it in 2023 and I love it, I remember when it was released I was playing on the 360 by then so I forgot about it, huge mistake. The story, music, environment…. Man is just amazing
That's your choice to focus on main story all the way! I've never play like this! I always mix main campaign with secondary missions! I sometimes spent more time on secondary missions. I develop a lot my base and like to take control of everything around it; I looked also for BIG amor and secret places! The game tells you where you need to go next but never when.
I just started replaying this. I love this game. Even if you follow the story, you can't go straight to the mission of tracking down your missing son until you raise a few levels and collect some proper weapons. The 1st mirelurk you find will teach you quickly that you need to slow down. Side missions are the way to get there. I wish the building aspect was better. I'd like to have cleaner build pieces so my bases don't look like shacks, and give me the option to expand my base perimeter so I can collect wood and steel that I can see from the edge of it. I love that I can create trade routes between my bases. It's a logical explanation for having access to the resources between bases. With skyrim for instance, I fill a storage container will steel plates, then build that container in every base. It works, but how? Teleportation?
The base building was super fun but it was bothersome that they thought people would just keep thing building materials looking like shit for no reason
The thing I like about fallout 4 is that they encourage you to blast through the story, but they added tons of things to do outside of the story for people who want to play the game their way.
Agreed. A lot of these stories now a days too are getting way too involved, if I want to watch a f*cking movie I will watch a movie, some story and comedy is good in games but it's getting out of hand. I want good gameplay and quite frankly.... a game. Fallout 4 does this well.
I actually started a new modded playthrough about 20 days ago, about 72 hours in thus far. Now that’s nothing special, but considering that I’ve replayed F3 and New Vegas countless times, it’s taken me 7 years to get this far with Fallout 4. When Fallout 4 was announced I was the most hyped for a game I had ever been till and since, yet I managed to play and complete the base game, ignored automatron, loved Far Harbor(personal highlight) and quiet/got burnt out about 1/3rd through Nuka World, every subsequent attempt never made it further than Diamond City. This time I’ve taken a different approach, ignore the main story and base building within reason, and instead focus on the one and only original thing/ideas F4 had, the minute men! Plan to “unify” the commonwealth, build up the minutemen and create peace and prosperity, Preston be damned lol EDIT: what I’ve come to accept/remember, at least for me is that Fallout 4 had a great world, combat and atmosphere. But it’s story(s) are shit, there are too many random ass quests and the whole game is full of filler bullshit that you have to wade though!
The side stories are actually the best, the hundreds of hidden and un marked stories of he commonwealth is immersive, more immersive than any other game ive ever seen.
been playing this game since it launched.. still like it now, with 300+mods...whenever i feel bored i just dive into this game and enjoy the post apocalypstic nuance while tinkering with mods. And yes far harbor is really something else, best dlc ever especially with weather mods
Yeah, I believe the game could've handled that much better with making Act 1 longer or Idk even something simple like changing Vic's dialogue to 'a few months' instead of the canonical 'few weeks' that we have left to live...
I played when the game came out but mostly only did the main story and couldn’t get into anything else. However I recently played it on my PC and modded the game to have a more gloomy atmosphere and tone while also removing the main character’s voice and I really enjoyed playing all the game had to offer. Also, I believe the lead quest/narrative designer for far harbor is also the lead quest/narrative designer for starfield.
Fallout 4 is easily in my top 3 most fav games of all times, I can't describe it but it makes me feel amazing, the exploration, game mechanics are perfect
This was the game that made me completely fall in love with fallout. Loved the story, loved the settlements, loved it. Years later I'd try 76, enjoyed it somewhat Then I got to play fallout 3 and new Vegas. New Vegas shook me to my core. That was one disturbing game. Loved the hell out of it.
This game made me love Fallout as well. Never played it before. I haven't played Fallout 3 yet. I did get Fallout 1 and 2 and I couldn't stand to play them. I'm sure back in the day they rocked, but now they are just frustrating to no end.
@@DaisukeFlamedramonif you haven’t played the proper ones then you don’t love fallout. Fallout 4 isn’t fallout. It’s like the last Jedi. Just because you put the name fallout or Star Wars on it, doesn’t make it part of the club. You’ll probably hate fallout 3 and nv then, they’re nothing like fo4. They’re actually good games with amazing atmosphere and story telling.
That’s funny.. after 3 full playthroughs I was able to engage with the main story and explore everything without it feeling odd. I always treated it as you’ve been in hibernation for ages and since your child was abducted long ago you know that they might not even be alive, let alone you need to investigate where they are first. You’re not ignoring the main story, but things happen beyond your control that you need to give your attention to as well.. or the investigation takes you places where stuff happens. At the end of the day, it’s just not a binary choice: either ignore the main quest or not, in order to have it make sense in my opinion. It’s all subjective anyway so feel like you want to about it but it’s not an issue to me and many others and it never has been.
I agree completely here. I've beaten the main storyline several times, I prefer to side with the Institute to take control of synths after you finish the game, but that's just the thing, just because the main storyline is over doesn't mean you have to stop playing the game. I would pretty much always get to the point where you kill Kellogg, find out your son is at the institute, then I would go explore and do whatever I liked for a bit before coming back to finish the story.
@@tylerknapp863 i have lvl 110 save atm and i haven't destroyed any of em it feels stupid and i discovered all locations in vanilla map and dlc + all bobbleheads and magazines i completed the game 100% also its not steam so
I just love it. Sure I have a dozen mods to fix problems with it but there's just so much content and the world is so fun. I keep going back to it again and again.
I play every game like that. Being a completionist means you have to go everywhere, speak to everyone and test everything out before every mission/quest step ...don't want to miss anything, ya know?
@@jasonhymes3382 I wouldn't say it's "hell", but the backlog for games is always getting longer, and as I'm already 50 years old I know I'm never going to catch up and I'm going to miss some greats. 😢
To be honest I love fallout 4 faults and all I also do really like the settlement building you can do even tho a lot of people don’t. It allows you to create fortress, set elements or just small safe spots for you to rest or just make look nice tho I think they need to not make it a mandatory thing if they bring it back in future games. Let it be something you can do and you get stuff from it but not be a main focus like it was for the minute men
I spent about 30 hours with Fallout 4 on Xbox. While I enjoyed much of my time with it, I think my biggest issue with it was that there were just too many distractions from the story and exploration. I honestly don't think I was anywhere near done with the main storyline when I stopped, and while finding interesting new areas was great,, I kept feeling like I was being pulled back into the town-building aspect. Essentially, I felt like I was expected to tend to these little settlements dotting the landscape in order to play the game "right", because until I had spent hours upon hours setting up the perfect protected space for the other wastelanders, I couldn't trust the A.I. to defend itself. It felt particularly gamey due to the fact that these settlements were seemingly not "activated" until I found them, so these A.I. characters were perfectly capable of living on their own until I discovered them, after which they required near-constant babysitting. Ultimately, the game felt like it was trying to introduce simulation-like elements that didn't mesh with the roleplaying elements, and it hurt both aspects as a result. I wanted to explore and talk to new characters, but was constantly pulled back to these settlements because for all I know, there won't be anything left next time I go there if I don't. I'll admit my view of it may not have been fully accurate, but it's how it felt to me. I loved Fallout 3 and did complete the main story and DLC's for it, but in FO4, there are simply too many things trying to stop your from progressing forward either in its story or the map in general. It may be easier if you do indeed don't take anything seriously, don't worry about anyone dying, and just focus on exploring and looting. That does require you to ignore any of the "roleplaying" aspects, or to specifically roleplay as an uncaring asshole, and at that point, it doesn't feel as fulfilling as it should because you no longer feel connected to your player character.
I thought fallout 4 had an amazing story. the fact he says this basically means he hates the game. i can only enjoy games if they have a good story. god why did the game so close to my heart have to be objectively bad
Never played 3 but agree with nv and 4 fantastic games and 4 has tons of replay value with mods survival mode is addicting and i love settlement building
@@Sigismund-von-Luxembourg NV is just fallout 3.5 with slightly better missions and far more people have more playtime on fl4 than any other fallout title so it's just shows that it isn't just about story and is about having fun
i started Fallout 4 a bit ago, but i stopped playing for a hot minute. then i came back, and honestly, i’m enjoying every part of it. from the story to the free exploration and looting. i also adore the glitches. perhaps i just have a strange taste for really glitched up games, but none of it is so game breaking, more silly and charming. and i do like a lot of the characters lol. i love that they all have their own stories for the most part and that you can get into so many interactions.
You can do pretty much whatever you want in this game. You don't have to rush the main story. I have all dlc in the game and other than Nuka World. I absolutely love it.
I personally liked the mod where you got the option to save Nora in the beginning because it helps ground your character into that married pre war roll. And the ability to to actually step into the characters past life like fallout NV I always thought was cool.
You are not supposed to stray off. You will glitch the narrative. For example, if you stray into subway, you will meet Nick, therefore you will missed the conversation with his secretary and her suspense.
My favorite game, period. Never even used any mods. I can spend an entire day just planning a layout for a settlement and how effectively how to defend it against whatever may come. I really hope that fort building isn't removed from the next game. It's my favorite part. Putting whatever clothes I want on my settlers, arming them with whatever I choose. That's so enjoyable for me.
@@RoyalMudcrab that’s true, some of the time it felt annoying having to do literally EVERYTHING for the settlements, some of which I didn’t even want or care about, especially at the beginning w the minutemen.
Omg I am so glad you brought up Cyberpunk 2077 as an example. I literally did that with my first playthrough as I like to mildly roleplay. I literally never even met the male romanceable character because I finished the game so quickly..... The game just has this vibe causing you to rush; like with how you are dying or when people message you they often say 'get here now!' or it's a life and death situation etc. I just don't like how someone needs me but I can go one week later just wouldn't feel right imo. Still love the game though, I called it out on release and still have plenty of issues with the boring world and combat but I don't think anyone can deny the story and characters are awesome.
@@OgnielGSo many buildings locked, even most of the vendors are just visual. One thing I wanted to do was buy a random BD to use but unless there is a scripted moment you can't use one.
I've recently started another character in F4 after not playing it since completing Nuka World when it came out. I'm enjoying it so much, much more than when I first played it. Really a fantastic game.
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10:21 you gotta play on Survival, enemies are less bullet spongy and way more fun to play.
No thanks
Recommended mods:
This Settlement Does Not Need Your Help - BS Defence Redone = makes the defenses you've built ACTUALLY MATTER.
SWIFT (Settlement Workshop Integrated Fallout Teleporters) = made travelling between DLC maps more tolerable.
Banana peel mine = HOURS of mindless FUN with the ragdoll physics of the game.
I'm a fallout fan that loves fallout 4. I didn't play it until after the bugs were ironed out and I've put in 100s of hours. I love the game. That said, I'm on Xbox one and before I installed the dlc my game barely crashed at all. Now that I have installed the dlc downtown Boston is a game crash minefield. I don't care about frame rates and all that but having to restart my game? That's where I draw the line. Before I installed the dlc game barely crashed. Now.. I'm scared of Boston. (There's a small possibility it's an unofficial patch problem. I'll try uninstalling it)
What’s up luke/everyone!!
The mod "Alternate Start" is fantastic for this. While exploring you hear a distress call from vault 111 saying life support has failed. You go to investigate and find both Nate and Nora dead. One was murdered, and the other died in the pod. You find a recording of what went down and your playthrough becomes solving a murder as well as finding a missing person (Shawn). This completely eliminates the urgency, and you can roleplay as just another wastelander who is working with Nick Valentine to find the person from the recording. It's perfect.
Alternate Dialogue Project is now up and running on Nexus!
This mod was made to be paired with Alternate Start Redux and uses AI to mimic the voice of the NPCs to accommodate the new player character. Now for instance, in Fort Hagen Kellog will say "I've been watching you. I expected you to come knocking, ever since you found that holotape in Vault 111" and your character says things like "And the Boy? Where is he?". Every voice line linked you to Vault 111 or your son has been rewritten. Completely fixes the immersion when using alternate start.
That sounds awesome! I gotta give that one a shot, this seems to be a good solution for this Story problem^^
That sounds excellent.
OOooh I like that, I like that a lot! Thanks!😁
As someone who's a huge Skyrim fan, Fallout 4 was my first Fallout game but I immediately modded it before having a vanilla run. The Alternate Start and survival mode options make it much more fun than the few hours of vanilla story I played. The wasteland is such a fun place to explore and try to survive when you play it outside of the main storyline
So is that in the mods creation club?
As a beta tester for Wolfenstein 3D in 1991/92 and then through the rest of the Wolfenstein series, the Dooms, the Quakes, etc. I began playing Fallout 4 the day it came out, and I'm still enjoying it now at my age of 81. I love the action, the various levels of difficulty, survival, the weapons, building settlements and Nick Valentine. Mostly, I'm just glad it's not raining.
That’s actually so cool haha. I just started wolfenstein new order the other day. Amazing game.
If you're legit you're an actual legend nice finding you in the comments
Games, its not a hobby, its a passion, God Bless! Catching up on my games is my retirement plan lol
One of the interesting things I noticed about games, especially as a person that played D&D dice and paper and was there when gaming first started, buldars gate, kings quest.. ect. The more of an imagination you have the more fun and enjoyment you get out of games, and the less you rely on graphics. The worse of an imagination you have the more graphics dependant you are.. many of my friends can't touch an indie game because of the subpar graphics.. smh 🤦 I even had Zaxon on cassette tape lol not many remember cassette based games.
@@mexre Ha! Thanks! If by legit you mean that what I wrote is true, I guess I am.
Me every fallout 4 playthrough: not going to mess with the settlements this time.
Five minutes later: building massive city in sanctuary.
I always go the other way somehow. I go in to play post-apocalyptic house flipper, and suddenly, I am neck deep in gun mods, playing Tarkov in the Commonwealth.
I always say I wont use the gun mod system and always end up doing exactly that
As it should be! Im proud of you general!
VICE CITY DOESNT LET U BUILD MASSIVE CITIES
BUT VICE CITY IS STILL BETTER
@@NigerianCrusaderI say ur right bc of the stock car cheat lol. Fastest car in the game.
I'm actually very impressed with their map design in FO4. The glowing sea was a pretty cool moment when you realize the map extends what seems to be it's square bounds, and the downtown area is incredibly dense with lots of paths above and below street level and winding paths that take you all over the place. Gunplay is top notch and just feels super tight and responsive. I'm actually gonna finally get around to playing Far Harbor. I beat most of the base game but never touched any of the DLC and have heard so much glowing praise about Far Harbor.
Fo4 is a great game for what it is it’s still a rpg but it’s not a great rpg I’ve always thought fo4 had a decent based storyline and the side quests were great but one thing that the side quests lacked was choice from what I remember only like 3 side quests had a serious impact on the world around you highly recommend anyone that is playing the fallout series to play fo4 Far harbor is a great dlc
I don’t think I ever fully explored the downtown area, my Xbox kept freezing up down there. I remember walking real slow and keeping the camera to the ground to avoid a crash.
They used to be proper RPGs too
I had high expectations for far harbor but I was let down. Story was underwhelming. I then did nuka-world and I thought it was awesome. The theme park was cool. Characters are way better, the raider radio was fun for the short amount they recorded. Get Nuka world!!!!
While I agree FO4 is a great game with good map design. The gunplay isn't that great at all
Maybe I'm just really out of touch with the way most people play RPG's, but I've never been so completely immersed that I felt the need to rush the story, even if the story is clear something I have to do is time sensitive, I'm still aware that, in real time I don't actually have to play it as if that's the case. I've honestly never even heard of people doing this, so that's fascinating to me. If the main character is an insomniac do you not sleep for days to really get into the role prior to playing it? I mean, I take the story seriously, but _to a point_ but I'm still going to play the game the same way I play any RPG, which is prioritizing side content.
i was about to comment something similar but you have pretty much hit what i was going to say.
Exactly this!
It’s an open world. You’re supposed to wander and run into crap. I’m with you. I can’t relate to people who came and tried to ram rod the main story like they were playing The Last of Us or something.
Same here. I love immediately putting the main quest line aside to explore the world and find random things to do. In RDR2 I literally never finished the story because I just ended up playing it as a wild west cowboy simulator lol
@@iiiiiiiiiiii90000000 Me too! Once I had the freedom to roam in RDR2 I went straight back to the mountains, killed some animals, and eventually died because I fell off of something. The gang was fleeing the mountains because the authorities were chasing them, but I still went straight back there. Not long after that, I found myself getting eaten by a gator many hours before the story lead to Saint Denis.
Nice thing about Fallout 4 is that when you finish the game It allows you to keep going with exploration and building
And helping new settlements you haven't discovered
@@sgt_courier220 Don’t forget to mark it on the map!
No, i don't like that. The story must have beginning as well as the end with points of no return. Yes, i'm all F1, F2, even FT and FNV.
@@ЕгорПещерский, except FNV, all are crap. story have and ending.
after that is just another story. and you can keep playing a story without a scripted ending.
i also like the story the most in everything, mostly in videogames, but Fallout 1 and anything before Fallout 3 is just awful. looks horrible and immersion is zero. almost as bad as Fallout 76.
Fallout 3 is probably the best game ever...in every way.
Edit: i`ve spent over ten thousand hours in Fallout 3 and almost three thousand in Fallout 4. FNV, roughly two thousand. so, i know the games perfectly. probably better than their creators. every single one heavily modded. +300 mods FO4, 3 & NV lighter: 90-100 mods each.
@@UmbraFulgur
You are no old gamer then.
Bright shell or quality of what's inside?
A survival playtrough with a few mods is definitely the best way to properly enjoy the game.
Do you recommend any?
There's a mod I sometimes use that gives you infinite vertibird summons for fast travel. You can get it when you join the brotherhood.
It's a nice change to the fast travel system.
@@cypher5009 If you want something comprehensive then I would recommend the Horizon mod. It's basically a full rebalance of the game that tunes it way more towards exploration and survival. It does make the game a bit harder, but you can tweak some difficulty settings within the mod itself.
Survival mode makes the game SO MUCH better. The changes aren't that huge, but they have a drastic impact on the gameplay and the feeling of the world.
Like the question why don't you just concentrate all your energy on rescuing your son? You can't. Getting around is hard, you need to build bases to survive, improve your gear, and keep on exploring. Exclusively focussing on your search is just not feasible. You'll die on your way to Fort Hagen, with a half-empty gun and a belly full of parasites from eating raw meat to stay alive. Doesn't solve the lackluster story problem completely, but makes going slow on the story much easier to justify if you are roleplaying.
Or the fact hat you have to walk everywhere. Running the same ways multiple times gave me a whole new understanding of Boston's layout. I never got that with fast travel, I just clicked where I wanted to go, never had to walk anywhere twice. Now you can't just drop in to Diamond City, sell your stuff, and be away. Now it's an actual trip you need to plan.
Or how about the Institute teleporter and the Brotherhood vertibirds? You can use them in normal mode, but nobody does, because fast travel is so much quicker. But in survival mode? There is no fast travel. So these useless features suddenly become major benefits, making you think very carefully if and when you want to part with those factions.
In conclusion: I can only recommend trying survival mode.
Bratwurst
8.5 years later, still haven't looked for Shaun
Who's Shaun? ;)
hahah so I should not even go to diamond city???? first time playing.
@8bitbeardco Yea you can to Diamond Ciry & still avoid looking for Shaun. You'll probably want to go there and Goodneighbor to buy & sell stuff
@@8bitbeardcothe games shallow, diamond city has like 2 quests that both suck outside of thr main story quests shoved into it.
Megaton was the worst aspect of Fallout 3 especially on multiple playthroughs, and then they made a 2nd Megaton.
Who dat?
Th difference I've heard from friends who love New Vegas is that the problem is motivation. In Fallout 4 your motivation is to find you're missing newborn; something that requires haste and all of your attention. In New Vegas, your motivation is Revenge, something that gets better the more work and time you put into it. In Fallout 4 they demand your haste for no reason, but in New Vegas they want you to play the long game.
Learning that many developers at Obsidian at the time of New Vegas' development were actually big fans of the original 2 Fallout games, it's shining mastery starts to make a lot more sense. I've never played the originals, but I do understand their stories and what you can do in them, and oh boy do we really need something so inspired like New Vegas to happen again for Fallout.
The first fallout actually had a time limit..but it was pretty generous
@@yume5338 weren't some obsidians are the original interplay developers?
I do not agree. There is no more important reason to do all the things like trying to find your son. This argument for the story is very strong. All makes sense in the game. New vegas is too much... new vegas.
@@vinniciusrosa8284 I think that you misread the original comment. They were never stating that saving your newborn was less urgent than revenge?
the part of fallout 4 like all bethesda games that i really love is... that it's absolutely impossible to focus on the main story no matter how laser focused of a person you are... you are bound to get stuck into one branching side quest or another through no fault or intent of your own.
I'd disagree, any new game I play, my first playthrough I always focus on the main story only, second I do EVERYTHING that isn't a repeatable quest, then the story, third and on, I do whatever I want. Only time I don't focus on the main story, is if they don't even let you know which quest is which, just give you a quest, you do it, if it progress the story, who knows unless they do something to let you know.
@@WinegedDragoon let me paint a picture... imagine you're walking down a skyrim street... and suddenly a talking dog comes up to you and asks you to follow it.. and you are on your main story quest.. do you abandon your quest and follow the dog? or you ignore the "Talking Dog" and get on with your main quest?
@@JustAPakistaniGamer personally ignore the dog
@@pajo5014 Until I beat the game my first time, same.
@@JustAPakistaniGamer As I said, my first playthrough of any game I play is always focused on the main story. Unless they don't give a clear idea of what the main story is my focus is the main story.
It gives me hope that the lead writer for Far Harbor (William Shen) is now the lead quest designer for Starfield.
Don’t get your hopes up too high. Writers don’t have a say on the game design. Bethesda has shown to be bankrupt of ideas and effort. Radial quests look like they are going to be even more involved in Starfield
Well, he's already confirmed to be the lead quest designer for Starfield. With Far Harbor Shen has already proved that he knows his stuff in terms of videogame writing and that was only a dlc - imagine how much potential this guy has if he is given an entire new IP.
If Fallout 4 was basically Far Harbor entirely but bigger, it would have been received a lot better for sure. That DLC has an amazing atmosphere and even touches on some philosophical questions I can dig. So Chen absolutely deserves his chance.
If Bethesda can get a good marriage between player freedom and narrative/atmosphere going, Starfield's gonna be golden. In that sense it's looking good so far and we'll see about the rest.
I love my modded F4 but it's time for them to kick into higher gear. The usual shenanigans of the past are successful but they won't be forgiven forever.
@@ryanglacier30 Sure, but part of the reception is those UA-camrs who say it sucks.
As someone playing and modding the game, I too have my issues with it. Nothing deal breaking though. As is the case with every Bethesda game.
@@youarealwayscorrect much potential to fail lol. Bethesda hasn't made a good game since I was a teenager man. Prepare for fallout 76 in space , obsidian couldn't even pull it off and they made the last good fallout game.
My favourite thing about FO4 is that it's so incredibly dense with locations that really reward you with little stories of what went down before the war started or sometimes more recently
Kind of scary that in comparison to more recent games, this game is an absolute gem
Its not its horrible
@@jeeseninala No its the best
@@jeeseninala it's actually brilliant if you give it a chance, especially with the dlc.
@@christophercarlisle7887
Yea sure lol
@@jeeseninala it is....
Can’t wait to play this in real life soon
😂😅😢
@@Vlad_Shv why you gotta play on that survival difficulty
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China be like
Stacking dog food up just incase I find dog meat
Fallout 4 is a pretty great game if you look at it as an open world survival crafting game. Survival mode really adds to the immersion.
I'm very immersed by the robot like NPC's and bugs
True. I wasn’t sure what I ever thought of FO4 until I reevaluated how I approached playing it and then it clicked.
@@hiphopefx if that is what it takes to enjoy a game, then it's a bad game. Why should I have to "reevaluate" how I play a game to enjoy it? That's fucking dumb and you know it.
@@theincrediblefella7984 because I played it like the old games and I wasn’t seeing what Bethesda was trying to do until I approached it from a different playstyle. It pretty much says this in he video. Keep up.
@@Ligmaballin Bethesda NPCs are way more interesting than every static-ass NPCs in other open world games
You nailed it with the key problem people had. It wasn't the bugs; it was the fact that Fallout 4 was such a departure from the more story driven RPG that they implied it was going to be.
I never touched the main quest, still loved it.
@@BanjoPixelSnackmissed out on some juicy conspiracies, but all in all I hope you thoroughly enjoyed your playthrough.
I dont get the criticism about the main story of fallout 4.
Spoilers, but you find your kid half way through. So the initial big issue is resolved. Then you can explore, and eventually pick your side regarding the Institute. And even when that is resolved, the side quests remain. Most of my hours are after the 'end' and I am still finding people to help. IMO, Bethesda did this perfectly.
@@RandomWandrerif that’s your opinion then yeah, we can disregard your nonsense 😂😂
A doctor and hobo can both give your their opinion on strange mole you have, but one is worth more than the other..
@@RandomWandrer The exploration in the game is absolute trash tier, One building full of generic raiders is not going to be any different from the 500 other buildings full of generic raiders. Although sometimes you will encounter a building full of green raiders.
I probably spent 600+ hours across 3 or 4 different play throughs and never even came close to finishing the main story line but I loved every minute of that buggy stress fest.
Same with Skyrim, 150 hours, never got past the main story after meeting Paarthurnax.
Every time my game crashes I literally hear Todd Howard in my head saying "everything just works".
It's nice spending so many hours on a game and never reaching the end. The world still lives on, and there are still things in the world you never experienced.
This is why I'm kind of against people who complain about the main story in Bethesda game, or want them to put more effort into it. That shit should be entirely optional. If it's too good or rewards you too much, we'd actually have to play it.
I've around 2k hours in Skyrim and only completed the main quest once, and that's how I like it.
How can anyone spend that much time in fallout 4 is beyond me. The game is literally the most boring game I've ever tried.
I gave it another shot last week, and idk what finally clicked for me, but I'm having a blast.
It took about 7 years, but I can finally say that I like the game now. I stopped looking at it with the high expectations I had at launch, and I'm growing to love it.
I was low level in downtown Boston and had Rust Devils, Gunners, Super Mutants, and Raiders all fighting each other because they spawned in, and then fighting me, too. It was a goddamned war zone, and I died plenty of times before I was the last man standing, I think that was the turning point for me, personally, and not the first time I was caught in that situation, either.
Same. I tried it years ago and got bored but popped it back in and love it
Same here in Texas. Level 21 right now
@@alfonsocarranza4852 I just hit level 11 again😁
In my playthrough, legendary bloatfly, aggressive Mr gutsy, assaultron and deathclaw spawn right next to each other with me in the middle. It's was a warzone.
I always play the “find Shaun” arc as just a really long opening quest. I go scorched earth and burn through everything, kill Kellogg, etc until I get to the point where I need to enter the Glowing Sea.
Then I go exploration mode as I need to work to save up enough for either a hazmat suit or power armor (or I just join the Brotherhood).
Once I get what I need, I go scorched earth again until I find Shaun. After that, I play it like my character has been mentally and emotionally broken and I return to the wastes to explore and work more.
Over 1400 hours ingame for Fallout4....One of my all time favorite games.
Finally, thank you for not being another person shitting on the game for not being like the older games. F4 is one of my favorites too
It's quite a good game on it's own, but certainly an awful Fallout game. I've played it myself for so many hours and I like playing it if I think to myself that it's not Fallout. Them putting in a voiced main character was a bad choice, the storyline is awful, side stories are rather fun, exploration is very bland the locations themselves are good but there is no depth to them, nothing of note for each location. The game itself is good and enjoyable to play but a failure of a Fallout game.
@joceja23 who gives a fuck, don’t use the mechanic
Oh boy just wait until you play an actually good game. You're gonna be blown away.
My condolences to your taste.
I have been replaying it for the last 9-10 days and I’ve been getting really nostalgic. I did put in a tremendous amount of time in my original play through but this time feels just as good if not better.
Me too! Never actually beat it though.. barely got into the main story as I was enjoying exploration and maxing companion affinities. I've been enjoying it
The fact it's even possible to experience nostalgia when playing Fallout 4 is crazy. I swear it came out like 2 years ago..
@@Th3Downz 2015… time flies!
Same man, 500+ hours back on release, it's all I played for the first year it was out. It was the second ps4 game I got. Real life prevented me from playing nuka world past the first hour or 2. I reinstalled it yesterday, starting a new save file with a few graphical mods, might also add a few quality of life ones. I feels so sad, happy and nostalgic, I know this wasn't exactly what people wanted for fall out but I love this game. Elden ring, witcher 3 and a few other games might be "the best games ever created" (and both of those games are in my top 5 fav's) but fo4 really is my fav game if all time just becasue of how I felt playing it when it came out. I cannot wait to sink another 100-200 hours into it with the dlc, exploring again, experiencing it again because I've forgotten alot about it and doing the occasional legendary weapon grind for stupid fun stuff like explosive mini guns, shotguns and furious rippers.
This game is like supermarket pizza compared to 5 star restaurant salad; yea the salad is amazing and overall it's the best for you, best made, and most well polished, but God damn I love a shitty, greasy supermarket, oven cooked pizza
Glad you bring this all up. I'm an admitted Fallout 2 purist, yet I find myself really loving the gameplay loop in FO4 minus the main story. The musical score alone gets me excited to explore. A lot of flavorful side quests to be experienced and not to mention Far Harbor.
It's called "Incel" my guy, not Purist.
so if you ignore the most important things in the game you enjoy it
@@frenchfry4017 lol oh right that's what it's called
@@travisbickle3835 Bethesda makes sandboxes that's really it
@@travisbickle3835 The main story is not the most important thing in a Bethesda RPG. It never has been. The main story is only there provide an extension to the open-ended exploration Bethesda titles offer. I've never had so much fun in an RPG as I did turning Starlight into a gladitorial arena.
You nailed it, explore and settlements building is where fallout 4 shine, playing it for the last 5 years ,not tired of it
There comes a time in the main story line where after discovering a few things about your son and where he is, that you *HAVE* to explore and recruit more settlements into the Minute Men faction, which is a good spot to break off and explore and do all you said was rather fun. At least... that's where all my decisions lead me, rolling with the Minute Men all the way, with some minor interactions with the Rail Road and Brotherhood.
However the story line is played out, there comes a time where it's logical to say, "Ok, now I know where Shawn is. Now it's time to focus on building up resources, fortifying settlements, making friends, gaining support and manpower to get to finally get to him." For which, the time doing all that would be justified as necessary to achieve the goal: Make it to my son.
I actually really like Sim settlements 2 and a variety of survival focused mods for this. Because while I feel like Bethesda _wanted_ you to need to build things up to go after Shawn... You really didn't need to. They make you build _one_ settlement for some faction, and put _one_ unique item in it.
But with the right additions, you suddenly need medical supplies, more complex gear, tools, etc. And the best way to get all of that is through building up settlements.
same here, after i killed kellog and went into his brain and found out that shawn is much older and he's inside the institute, at that point i started focusing on completing more factions quests for the minutemen and railroad, recruiting more settlements, etc. it makes sense to me since the institute is clearly quite powerful
I was kind of the same, I was enjoying the story until Shawn suggested it was time to choose between factions and thought it would be great for me to lead the institute. Felt everyone was trying to use me for their benefit when actuality it was more beneficial for me to have the random patrols from the Institue and Brotherhood in the open world… especially being at lowers levels so I never finished the main mission and 5 years later I’m still not an enemy to any of the factions.
Man, you brought up one of my biggest pet peeves that no one talks about which is these open world games that want you to explore but give you a main quest that feels unrealistic to ignore. It drives me crazy. Subscribed immediately.
Yeah, that's why I'm playing with the Start Me Up mod, completely changes the experience because I don't feel like my character is being a terrible parent by meandering around when they should be looking for their son.
I think ideally the first few main story quests in an open world game would give you a goal but one without any sense of urgency, then have the urgent feel of the quests ramp up as you go along but also have natural "Okay we need to do x but you need to make sure you're prepared." breakpoints
Yup. Its why main stories that are about the setting affecting the people in it rather than the main character's problems is best for an open world game that has tons of content to do in it.
The NCR-Legion war in the Mojave.
The Tribunal-Sixth House condlict in Morrowind.
The socio economic and nutritional collapse of the Halcyon system.
Even Skyrim with the Imperial-Stormcloak civil war.
I just complete the main quest because it feels right and then play the sidequests after I'm done
I hear what you’re saying & people I know personally have said the same thing. But I disagree. If it’s an open world game exploration & side content is a given. But I think there’s a sort of gamer OCD in which people get obsessed with completing the man quest as it’s presented on the quest menu screen they interpret that as a bad game design.
But at no time ever have I played an open world game & just focused on the main quest. It’s because if you start out with the main quest getting from one point to another you’ll stumble upon a side quest. Then you’ll see or hear about another location & explore it. But I think some people get fixated on that main quest menu then interpret the game to being a limited experience.
There’s plenty of linear games out there but people go into open world games as if they are linear which they are not & were never meant to be.
@@Thatdeal79 To clarify, they're not complaining about the existence of side quests. The complaint is that, from a narrative standpoint, we're often given quest objectives that make undertaking side quests when what we're meant to be doing should realistically be extremely urgent ruins immersion, so the choice becomes "ignore sidequest and focus on the main story for immersion" or "destroy immersion to do side content" while the game itself could be designed in a way that allows for noth methods without breaking immersion.
Fallout New Vegas is a food example of this, where following the main quest leads you into side content while also not feeling immediately urgent and thus allowing someone to do the side content (or even ignore the recommended path entirely) without feeling like they're acting a way that causes dissonance with the narrative.
tl;dr side content is fine, but having a main story quest that feels like it should be urgent - such as tracking down unknown murderers that have kidnapped your child makes doing things at a leisurely pace feel disconnected from the narrative.
I'm pushing 40 and the best thing for me in the past 8 yrs are playing games today that were "ehh" when they flopped on release.
I'm itching to pick back up on my 30-ish hours save file of FO4.
You're doing God's work my dude!
"im pushing 40"😭 😭
fallout 4 for sure didn't flop on release, it sold 12mln copies in the first week.
@Guts I don't understand what it's got to do with fo4, but even with its controversial launch cp77 already sold more than 20mln copies, so it's not doing poorly by any means.
@Guts It wasn't a flop commercially, that's for sure.
Fo4 wasn't a flop by any metric.
@Guts @Guts there was a single game breaking bug that prevented progress on the main quest and it was fixed within a few days.
I logged 500 hours and most bugs came from mods.
If you didn't like the game why are commenting on a video about said game?
The game doesn't end when the main story is resolved. You can speed through that, then spend as much as you time exploring and playing through the side content. My problem is that I tend to feel my character is so absorbed in the main story that I have a hard time finding their identity after it ends.
MVP was about to google
@Nick94MIyour supposed to do endless missions forever with Preston :)
That’s how the RDR series feels
I have been replaying fallout 4 and it's been an absolute blast of a time, survival mode is the way to go imo, it was weird to initially adapt but now I love it, one of my best gaming experiences yet
Did you do no VATS as well?
Bro I would love to try survival, but I’m not that brave, considering that the game crashes everytime
@@B0rnT0L05e I have begun it, idk if there's a mod for it but damn it's good-intense though. Getting Nick Valentine was absolutely bonkers lmfao
@@Yobama862 If you're ever able to give it a shot I would, it's insane I love it so much
@@monsieurmearoni1977 maybe in some next gen version, then maybe the game doesn’t crash everytime.I personally like to build in every single settlement, so maybe that makes the game havier and makes him crashes even more, it’s literally 2-3 times a day (playing on Xbox one), and playing like that, it would be impossible to save progress. So I’ll have to stick with very hard difficulty
But considering that you like survival, have you ever tried older games like fallout 1-2 or Morrowind? Morrowind it’s kinda similar to fallout survival but do a deeper experience
Thanks for this video!!! It totally revealed the reason why I love Fallout 4 and Skyrim sooo much. My favorite thing to do in games is explore and get distracted by the side quests, so these games are a perfect fit for me. I am thrilled that you gave Fallout a second chance and found the charm within the glitches!!! 😃🥰🤪
I was convinced that Shawn had been taken from 111 shortly after the war (read the terminal in the security office), so I had NO urgency and basically forgot about him for several hundred hours.
I had a lot of fun just roaming the wasteland like Mad Max, learning how gaming had changed in the 20 years I had been away. (1998 to 2018, no gaming at all.)
Did you get arrested or something, why would you stop playing video games for 20 years
@@whiteboy4045
He had his own Shawn.
what happened with the no gaming thing
Agreed. When I saw I was refrozen after Nora's death it was pretty obvious that any amount of time could pass. Even if you pushed real hard, it isn't that far in that you see that Sean is 8-10 with Kellog... the urgency falls quite quickly from that quest... it is more a background motivation that will always be there. The radiant quests to help settlers felt more urgent in most cases... so I had to pull away and do those, grumbling that I wanted to look for my kid. It felt like a good balance to me, I liked it.
I played it after 10 years away from games in school. Also loved it as a way to see what games could do nowadays!
I like the way NV handles what you're talking about with Main Quest vs. Side Content. NV keeps throwing side content at you, putting it in your path as optional things you can do along the path of the main quest. And if you do all the side content, a lot of it actually ends up significantly affecting the main quest ending.
Never played any fallout before. But what I enjoy the most in rpg's are how the decisions affect the story, besides gameplay and overall world environment. Should I play NV or 4? I play on console btw.
@edulohay956 if choice is most important to you then you want to play NV hands down and it's not even close. Fallout 4 is a really fun survival RPG with a couple of simple mods but it doesn't have much in the way of choice compared to the other games
@@edulohay956 For story elements, NV. For gameplay, 4.
@@edulohay956FNV has way better story, dialogues, and character development/agency with just enough gunplay. But FO4 has better gunplay, gunfights, but less coherent stories and your choices “mostly” don’t matter.
thank you all for the answers! Definetely will play NV once I finish DA: Origins that was recommended to me too
I will never forget the first time I started Fallout. (Fallout 3) Everything was fine at first... but when I exited the Vault, I was more scared than I've ever been in a game. This uncertainty that a creature could already see me, or that I would enter the wrong area and die miserably, it was terrifying and yet I couldn't stop playing it. The worst were the subways, where the ghouls screamed in the dark and ran at me in hordes. After all, they were the worst until I met the first super mutant Centaur xD
Nights in Fallout were even worse. I've always gone to the cities at night to sleep. (I mean I was 11 years old when). That's how I felt in real life too. Whenever the evening came, I didn't dare to start Fallout anymore, even though I watched the most violent horror films at that age. When you really are in that other world, it's an even more intense experience.
After playing through the second time, I had completely overcome my fear and since then I have been playing almost exclusively with melee weapons to be able to see the faces of my victims, whom I erase from existence. My favorite game, right after Elder Scrolls.
You mean Skyrim, correct???
@@M0RGAT0RY To be honest yes. But I love the entire Elders Scrolls series, so I don't usually name the individual title. Skyrim is still a grandiose masterpiece. I felt more at home in this virtual world than in real life. The beauty, adventure and immense peace of this game was simply intoxicating. Skyrim probably saved my life back then because I had no other reason to want to continue living. So I feel nothing but love for this game.
You should try fallout 4 survival mode with a couple proper tweaks it can be amazing. It completely fixes the bullet sponges
Why is survival mode the only one to fix bullet sponges?
@@detrik01 its not the only one but its readily available vanilla so no need for mod headaches. Basically enemies deal more damage but so do you. Also, you can only save if you sleep but you get a stacking damage buff if you don't sleep.
@@Watchful049 imo the cant save feature sucks but can be easily adjusted with 1 mod. I think the best way to play survival mode is get Survival config menu and just adjust anything you dont like
@@Watchful049 I just don't think it's good game design to outsource gameplay fixes to player-made mods. Fixing the issue of bullet sponges should have been applied to all modes by the devs, not one mode most people won't even play on
@@Watchful049 can you fast travel?
Fallout 4 Survival Mode is what keeps me coming back even after all these years
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I thought fallout 4 had an amazing story. the fact he says this basically means he hates the game. i can only enjoy games if they have a good story. god why did the game so close to my heart have to be objectively bad
@@robertdowling4673 It's fine for you to enjoy things others find bad bro. Sometimes you can accept something having flaws and still love it with all your soul because whatever personal reason you can think of. Imo the problem lies when you go around attacking others when they criticize something you like and you take their criticism as a personal attack, which they are not. If you don't do that, keep on enjoying FO4 without remorse my dude
@@MinosML its not about admitting the game has flaws. I admit the minutemen suck, I dislike the settlement building, etc. A game just needs to have a good story for me to enjoy it. If it doesn't then my enjoyment of it was void.
I’ve played fallout four three times and this final time I actually explored the game and actually leveled up. When you do that and pick a good faction, it becomes a real good experience. You can get more armors the more you explore, as you level up you could come across far more powerful power armors such as the X-01. That I think, is where this game shines.
Going through the game again after a few years, super excited to get back into exploring and settlement building! Only one thing I'm dreading in Far Harbor...Dima's memories 😵💫
Indeed. Although you can get away with only solving the first puzzle if you want the pacific solution for Far Harbpr ")
There's a mod I used a while back that enables all those puzzles to be bypassed.
I know probably the worst quest in any fallout game
I always saw cyberpunk as knowing you have limited time left, so you are motivated to make the most of the time you have left
RDR executed this better
@@Ligmaballin it was just as bad but go on
@@yaboirichard591 pretty much any game with a narrative timer, hard to fix in CPunk, in TW3, by using a couple of dialogs, in RDR2 maybe you are trying to go the path of redemption and fix the wrold before you go to hell?
They literally only need to change Vic's line about V having only weeks left to months and that'd do the trick, it's a totally different feeling.
After beating the game, I have probably spent 200 hours or so just building settlements. Got some mods for more stuff to build and remove the build limit and you can do some really cool stuff. I have some going up into the clouds, some built on the water, etc.
I honestly don't give a shit what other people think. I LOVEE Fallout 4, it's a masterpiece. The fact that you're making a video about it 15+ years after it launched is a testament to that.
9 years after
@@jimannothedamn it’s almost a decade old already since release :/
@@GalacticExplorer_Edits33Age catching our asses.
I'm old, I still call it the new Fallout game. I don't consider 76 A fallout game myself.
@@Semi_Successfulit’s a good game idk why yall say this sounds like you haven’t gave it a real try
With over 2k hours in Fallout 4, I'm eager to return for another modded playthrough
Lol same. I reinstall it every 6-8 months with a new list of mods.
When I hit the endgame I couldn't come back. I was so frustrated that all my settlement building meant absolutely nothing, there were no end-game systems designed for the settlements to continue growing or trading or interacting in any meaningful way. Do mods fix that?
@@kirktown2046 yes
@@milesrowe2263 Got some recommendations?
@@kirktown2046 sims settlements 2 and sub mods for that
I loved the game tbf. The random, dynamic nature of the open world, where it felt like nothing that happened was ‘scripted’, made it so much fun to explore. The settlement system was really cool - building houses, recruiting people, giving everyone jobs, setting up trade routes (that the AI literally walked lol) etc. was a great addition.
Can barely remember the main story but it’s still one of my favourite games of all time 😅
The whole settlements getting attacked is annoying though
Settlements were a buggy tedious mess you were forced to do.
It was awful. Horrific gameplay making those bases. The worst base building on the market, even at the time.
Every single time I tried playing that game, that shit bugged out. Every single time.
It is legitimately their worst game.
Fallout 4 is 10 more scripted than Fallout 3 & NV
@@ScaledAnd1cy I swear people just say stuff that sounds good about games they like, true or not.
Sim Settlement 2 made the Settlement system great for me. It gave it kind of a sense, managing not one but a bunch of settlements wich are kind of able to develop by it's own and the last update even gives you an HQ to manage. Everything is kind of clunky of cause. It's a mod =D
But I enjoyed my rerun.
I agree Luke. I lately just modded the shit out of my game to fix all the issues I had with this game. Modifying damage modifiers in difficulties to make it so I deal the same amount of damage enemies do to me, being able to save the game anytime I wish in survival difficulty cause, well Bethesda games do love to crash so fuck only saving when I sleep. The biggest issue I had was the narrative kinda pushing me forward.
But now I just use an alternate start mod that just lets me create a character and formulate my own backstory selecting my starting place of choice, etc. etc. Like right now, my character is an drifter, a deserter of the Enclave from way back who was forcibly conscripted to join as an orphan after the Enclave MADE him an orphan during a strike that resulted in civilian casualties, taking his parents in the crossfire, he came to resent the Enclave once he discovered it was their fault, and the way they approached combat situations, and during the events of Fallout 3, after the Enclave falls, he slaughters his CO and his former comrades then hides out in a settlement somewhere outside the capital wasteland. Groups of bounty hunters look for surviving members of the enclave for a lump sum of caps. So he was forced to move with little to carry, being pushed further north along the shore with a rather wrecked hazmat suit he used often in places of really terrible radioactive fallout, until he finds himself scouring an old plane wreckage in what he now knows was called the Glowing Sea of the Commonwealth. And that's where my story takes form.
Yes I start as a little level 1 in a survival difficulty run in the glowing sea... we gamers man :)
Yup, Fallout 4 is like Fallout 3. You need to mod the shit out of it and avoid (or remove pieces of) the main quest written by bethesda.
Great backstory! I might create a character with a similar one
No amount of mods will ever going to fix that dialogue system
If you take the story seriously, you miss out on the best parts of the game. Also true in life.
If you take the story seriously, you will be a fallout lore nut who throws a piss-baby temper tantrum when they find jet in a supposed pre-war container
@@RPbirdzz”NOoOOoOo jet is frocking post war guys😭😭😭😭”
Played almost 1000 hours total, will likely not go back but it used to be my goto daily game for years. Will forever cherish it.
I was like that with 500 hours played, last time I played was early 2017. But something made me reinstall today and I can't wait to dump another couple of hundred in it over the next few months on arvos after work and weekends
@@kennyhigh7426 how was it?
@@apocro. beautiful 🥲
@@kennyhigh7426 wholesome
I go back atleast once a year and do a survival run.
I always assumed that I would need to improve my skills/weapons/armor and generally be more established within the world to be capable to saving Shaun so I did a good deal of exploring and side quests before completing the main story and didn't really feel super rushed. My biggest complaint was some of the faction's just didn't make much sense like the railroad wiping synth's memories and the institute insisting that the synths were not people while simultaneously tying to make them as human-like as possible.
I never had the chance to play Fallout 4, even tho I always wanted to, but I've played Fallout 3 and New Vegas. I really don't understand his view of "RPG players will run for the main quest and miss the exploration", and I love RPG's exactly because I always liked to screw around in the world, doing all kinds of stuff and becoming powerful, knowing interesting and wacky characters, are we the weird ones?
@@azazel8700 let me see of i can clarify this, what he means by "RPG player" is a player of role playing games, traditional role playing requires you take on the character you play, so you play the game like how the character would progress through the world.
Now thats not to say how you play is wrong, but at the core of RPGs is playing the character not the mechanics
@@rileyevans2989 And you can justify exploration to almost any character like the original comment said, even if less so than just playing like any non-RPG character, so I still don't see this the same way as he did
I mean.... Yes you can justify exploration, but when you are playing the role of the character, if the plot, using fallout 4 as an example, gives you a sense of urgency (saving Shaun), you have to justify making the choice to explore versus saving your son, which makes it so player who are trying to get immersed in the plot don't find the best parts of fallout 4.
@@rileyevans2989 Yeah I can see people missing out, but it isn't clear to me how many of the RPG players would or how many would do that and not replay it to find more things, it is a bit foreigner the thought of not exploring to me since I always did it a lot. That aside, can I make a question? Is English your first language?
I still play this game daily. This is why I don’t read reviews and make my own decisions. It still has a few bugs in it but I still love this game.
I dropped it for a year or so, then mods happened. I run across a video practically every week that has something I've missed over the course of nearly 100 playthroughs and three game systems (2 Xbox Ones and now Xbox X).
HA! I also have it for my Xbox X, PS4, and PC. Great to see a real fan still playing.@@brettbaxter7882
BTW I dropped it for about a year also. Wanted a game to spend hours on due to becoming unemployed and came right to this. The mods make it even better.@@brettbaxter7882
Same here, this one and new vegas
Thats a bgs game for you and why we accept bugs, because their games are long lasting.
"I have to find my son! But first let me build a base and f*ck around a bit."
Loved this video! You nailed a lot of things here. Expectations are hard to manage, but upon each returning trip I have to Fallout 4 I find myself enjoying the things that it’s trying to do better than previous entries moreso than what it falls short on.
I’d really suggest diving back into Far Harbor if you have the time. It’s a stellar expansion that adds a lot of that narrative flair and choice that the base game was missing
I actually loved this video as well but tend to disagree with him. I'm guessing because I'm a veteran of the series and completing side quest are just part of the experience. U know to do them and with not having an 'in days' clock, u are free to roam. I can tell he's not a player of the early titles (1 and 2) maybe not even fallout 3. Most of us love the lore and the addition or advancements of the factions and he didn't mention nothing pertaining to that even once. No problem though, we all see things differently.
He mentioned the story was totally bad, which I don't think it was, but definitely could have been a little more substantive. Also, when he alluded to Oswald the Great, he obviously did not read the terminals, because the backstory to him however far fetched, is absolutely 100% fallout-ish in nature. (I'm imagining he didn't get Krehm's tooth either)
I agree with u that Far Harbor is an excellent DLC and if u played it last like me, bringing Nick with u is too good of an extra treat. Did u get everything from the island? Any settlements? I may start my 5th playthrough soon....
BUT VICE CITY IS BETTER THAN FALLOUT 4
@@guylee0 WHY DO YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT FALLOUT 4, YOU SHOULD HAVE SPENT THAT TIME IN VICE CITY
The worst part of Fallout 4 was Far Harbour.
@@thisone981 JUST BECAUSE OF THAT PUZZLE
Funny enough I m playing Fallout 4 atm! Perfect video to release right now hahaha Tbh I got it since the start that you were supposed to explore and not rush the storyline! But mostly because of the acting of the main character, he s looking for his son yes but he never actually feels « emotionally connected » to the search. It just feels like it s the only thing he can do since he s a person out of time. But the more you meet people and create new relationships, the less you feel the urgency of the main plot line!
They dropped the ball on the tone of the main character. He's just so ho-hum about everything. Missed a real opportunity to play on the '200 year old man' thing. That's a giant misstep, but I still love the game, playing it again now.
Imo the main story is very good, but just not WILD enough compared to other mainline fallout.
@@FatElephant19 The story is awesome, but it could have been presented and delivered in a more convincing way. Having more meaningful RPG elements would have helped to further immerse the player in the story. None of that has stopped me from putting in over 500 hours though.
I started a new game just a month ago, playstation gave me the 76 version through their premium stuff. I was so dissapointed with 76 I booted fo4 again lol.
LOVING it, playing on a higher difficulty and picking EVERYTHING different from my playthrough 7 years ago(as far as I can remember)
I usually don't play singleplayer games......so my opinion on story is useless.
Yes!! This has been my biggest issue with the game is the narrative. How can I just run around when my son was kidnapped. It really made the story hard to sort out.
But that's every open world game pretty much.. Theres always a huge world ending plot you are involved in yet you kill time doing side quests. Who cares
Because it is a story with mass appeal, and lots of people, maybe most, prefer some a narrative they can identify with, as opposed to a blank avatar. If you expect major game developers to err towards satisfying the small, hardcore demographic at every turn, you'll be perennially disappointed. Moreover, its strange to me how gamers just want the same experience over and over again. For BGS, ES are the blank-face avatar games, Fallout are the character-with-a-backstory games.
@@johnnyflannigan136 Nope Red dead 2 was a game that had a good narrative while doing open world. The problem is picking which story to tell in open world. An ensemble story works for a open world setting
I'm playing fallout 4 now... "What son?" Just ignore the main storyline and so all side quests...That's what i do.
this game has one of the most boring ending to a video game.
After playing many RPG games, I discovered that it's easier to fight the end boss when you're at a higher level and in order to reach a higher level you have to finish as many side quests as possible. So you can either take the story seriously and finish just that, or you can take the story very very seriously and become a demi god, collect the best gear and then absolutely annhilate the final boss.
Thanks for your video. I think you might be missing something though. I followed the fallout 4 story completely, and I also explored completely. One does not prevent the other from happening. I love the story, and I love exploring a lot! You can just simply do both. There’s not a clock ticking on the story. I just did the whole thing really laid-back and enjoyed all aspects.
I agree with you. Loved this game. One of my faves. But what I think he means is that if you go into this game from a pure RPG perspective (ie: you follow the main questline exclusively) you miss out on a lot. But I believe its a naïve position. Games like this are meant to have multiple play throughs. Which is what i did. My 1st playthrough was 100% RPG quest line. Then I installed a bunch of mods and had a great time conquering the commonwealth.
Exactly, I did the same thing. I'm kinda confused by him saying he didn't explore because he played the campaign.
TBH, im not even thinking of the main story. I love exploring and looting to develop my community and i totally enjoy playing this game that i owned for so many years but never end up playing.
Yeah I really do love the story for fallout 4. I like the mix of the Captain America origin story with this terminator feeling when it comes to the institute. I liked the reputation system when it comes to factions in NV but sometimes it really really annoyed me. I’m actually glad that it wasn’t in the 4th game(that way I could do whatever I wanted with a lot of side quests for different factions). All you have to do is know which quest is the point of no return. I just wish that the institute explained their goals a little better and I wish the Minutemen had more content.
Finally someone who manages to get it. You are indeed searching for your son...but in a completely unfamiliar and hostile environment. That basically allows for all the RPG potential you want. You gotta survive and learn about the world first to find the person you're looking for.
Just meandering around the world in Survival Mode is where I found the game at its best. Suddenly, the settlements matter because you actually need a safe place to go. The map becomes an obstacle course, where you have to plan your route if you want to achieve something. The random crafting stations out in the wild can literally keep you alive. Working with the Brotherhood becomes incentivized because it’s suddenly an asset to summon transportation to fly you around. A random event can easily get you killed and cost you an hour of progress, which has you breathing a sigh of relief if you survive something random.
Still very flawed, and the main story is still unforgivably misguided, but wasn’t it the same in Skyrim? I enjoyed the Dragonborn lore journey, but most players spent more time farting around with the Dark Brotherhood and whatnot.
I also love how he says you’re just gonna have a bad time if you follow the story rather than wandering around the map. Dude you could choose to complete the main story and afterwards still have hundreds of side quest and tasks. With Fallout 4 you can literally choose your own path. Wanna melee build? Do it. Wanna stealth build? Do it. Explosives? High tech mods? Power armor? Minutemen build? Anything. All those little choices you make have a drastic affect on how your game is going to look in the “end”.
Fallout 1 and 2 were amazing regarding that Open world feeling and main quests. You did side quests as it was needed to survive and often to make progress to the story you had to travel the whole map.
I played this as a RPG. I just played it as if my character kinda knew or assumed we were refrozen for a long period after our son was taken, made it still worth searching for answers but not immediately necessary compared to learning to live in the shattered world we woke up to. Allowed me to stay immersed while exploring and slowly learning about our son's whereabouts and whether he was even still alive and only pushing farther once the story gave more info on such. But I do see your points on why you feel it is not what you were looking for in a RPG.
Good point. I think Fallout 3 does this a little better though, even if they do provide a set background for the character there too. But there you're a teenager who's having to adapt to the harsh wasteland, and you know that your dad is probably capable of handling himself somewhat better than you, so you can take time getting used to the world and not rush the main quest.
@@Undivided-X I agree, Fallout 3 did a better job but the gameplay hasn't aged as well with that game. I was kinda hoping at the end of 4 we would find out that the sole survivor actually died in the vault due to the malfunction and we were a Synth experiment on memory transfer or seeing if Synths could have humanity or something. Would explain the ability to craft or modify anything without prior engineering and architecture knowledge and would've given us a ship of Theseus type story. Oh well, still find the story above average, which is still good imo.
While I agree that that assumption (and later knowledge) is the right way to approach it for the best experience of it, I feel like the early dialog is conveying a sense of urgency with the writing and voice acting, especially the distress in the player character in the meeting with Codsworth if choosing lines that don't make you sound like you don't care about your child's kidnapping.
@@3ventic I suppose so, though I think a longer prewar sequence with quest helping neighbors and doing stuff with your family would have helped make you care more, I mean we knew our spouse and child for all of maybe 3 to 5 minutes before everything went down. Didn't help myself much when trying to feel for the loss truthfully. Also reading terminals inside the vault during escape also shows you that timescale could be way off as you had been cryogenically frozen twice and then you go out and Codsworth literally states 200 to 210 years have gone by. My sense of chasing a potentially dead child would drop to a side venture compared to surviving in a hostile environment. Just how I felt, not saying your completely wrong but everyone takes things differently. And no I'm not a father in real life, sure that might change my perspective a bit.
This is how I played it aswell when I first got the game a year ago. Bethesda really made that story urgent so it made it tough to explain it away but I still enjoyed the experience in general.
One of the main things that makes the game more enjoyable to me is the mod where you keep dogmeat alongside a companion.
The writer for Far Harbor is now the lead writer for Starfield
hopium
@@Mattznick I literally stated a fact but okay if you want to be braindead then go right ahead
Lol, how little people know about industry. An automotive parts manufactuer I worked at for a year produced the wastegate actuator for a car that was sold as being particularly high-revving. Way too far into development, the car manufacturer found that the actuator mount resonated at frequencies within the range it was supposed to operate. They sold the car as it was with the revs limited to a safe range and threw in a free first service at an official dealership. They then worked on a solution that was installed at that first service, where they also removed the limiter. This was all kept from the customers who, to this day, still have no idea that this happened. I only spent a year in the automotive industry and assumed this to be quite remarkable, but have since been told that this kind of story is very common.
The big twist for Fallout 4 not only didn't surprise me, I expected it and didn't even realize it was supposed to be a twist. You literally go under cryosleep for a second time after your son is taken and I literally thought "gee, I wonder if when I wake up again, my son will be all grown up?"
And then my character kept saying "I'm looking for my young son" over and over and over. And I'm like "how do you even know he's still young?". It wasn't even a twist and honestly I feel like I missed something that was supposed to make me think not much time had passed.
Yeah, but consider the gameplay.
You're just smart?
@@smartalex22 Your comment makes more sense than mine. What the hell was I even talking about? Past me was an idiot.
I was the same. The game literally shows us going back into cryosleep, how tf could anyone think no time had passed?! Even on the first play through. It can’t be considered a twist.
@@BrickDaniels-qu7bz I mean, the gameplay is why I keep going back to the game, so you weren't _wrong._ Be kind to yourself. :)
I just started playing Fallout 4 for the first time at the beginning of this month. I'm always a few years behind, lol. I am enjoying the hell out of it, but I went in knowing it was glitchy as hell. Watching a brahmin randomly fly perfectly vertical in the background while I was talking to a settler almost made me fall down laughing. Story wise, I love learning about the companions way more than caring about the main story.
Brooooo same I started fallout 4 years ago the brahmin randomly spawned in right in front of me and flown of like merry poppins It was so funny bro
A glitch is it changes subtitles to Russian on Xbox to no fix
I played it for 4 hours on launch night my freshman year, and never beat it, maybe 20 percent. And I've recently started playing it and man, 200 hours of pure fun. Gameplay wise the best fallout.
wait for some giant boss mob flying through the air like team rocket, when you just killed it with a fkn pipe riffle 😎👉🏻👉🏻 pow pow... 😂 (Love it anyway)
@@devincarter7020 yep, maybe is not the best in writing, but I finally have fun with the shooter part of the game, you can feel that ID software helped with that part
There are several mods that give you your own vertibird. You can also drive a motorcycle, or even a ridable Giddyup Buttercup. You should also take Nick Valentine with you when you got to Far Harbor and encounter the synths for the 1st time. Also, wearing the Silver Shroud outfit gives different dialogue during encounters (especially with the Mechanist DLC). Oh, and there are dozens of huge, amazingly well-done quests mods available that add TONS of content and new world-spaces. Enjoy.
I know this is an old video. But of all of the video games I've played no other rpg comes close to Bethesda for the love of the games. Like I can still go back to morrowind, fallout 3, oblivion, new vegas, skyrim, and fallout 4 and spend a solid month playing them like they were brand new.
Side note: the people who "played the game wrong" it's deeper then that. You wake up and it's culture shock after culture shock after culture shock for your character. Like when you went to sleep you knew a few bombs hit. You had no idea at what the level of devastation was left behind. You didn't know how close you were. You go into the vault and all you know is a bomb hit. You wake up and see your wife get killed and son gets taken. You wake up again and see the world for the first time and are like holy shit wtfffffff. And from there the shocks never stop. Like walking through town and zombies fall from the top of a building and attack you. To how the animals look. Like looking for your son would literally be the only thing keeping you going in this hellscape
I love how sidetracked he gets when chaos starts happening
I thought fallout 4 had an amazing story. the fact he says this basically means he hates the game. i can only enjoy games if they have a good story. god why did the game so close to my heart have to be objectively bad
@@robertdowling4673 all that matter is that you enjoyed it. at the end of the day its just a silly fun hobby for all of us.
@@robertdowling4673 I also love the story of Fallout 4. Are we part of the minority or the happy medium?
If only the story isnt rushing you, the fact that I have to look for my son is what keeps this game from having a truly immersive story.
I agree. It is a terrible story.
When I first played Fallout 4, I really felt the pressure to persue the main quest. After all, my son had been kidnapped. The problem was, I got sucked into the Minutemen story line, which became the needy girlfriend that jealously kept pulling me away from anything not involving them. This lead me to throwing in the towel, and starting over with a different character a few times. Eventually I found a sweet spot where I would just ignore most of the Minute men "emergencies", and played like a free form RPG where I had no annoying son to rescue. I leave the game for a year or so, but then miss the fun of exploration, and start it up again. Lots of replayabliity.
Im playing it as a "looter- shooter" where the story takes a backseat a d the guns are the star. I'm enjoying much more with that thought process
for several playthroughs i thought minute men questline was a part of the main story questline
I don’t understand how you will have a bad time playing the main story and how it puts you in the situation where you don’t explore or meet other characters or do any side quests, etc. I took the story seriously and was able to do all of those things.
The vertibird encounter with the Brotherhood that you showed wasn't because Raiders shot them. It happened to me all the time. They are just very bad at flying or bugged because every time you see them they just crash like they were drunk.
The fact that he doesn't know this makes me wonder if he has even played FO4 for any length of time. Once the Brotherhood are activated and start conducting air operations in the Commonwealth, they get shot down all the time. It seems like their mission in life is to stir shit up and get shot down. It is great for scavenging combat armor and laser weapons from their crashes though. Thanks BoS!
@@HuskyOffset he hasn't, just a toxic bait vlogger who churns out shit reviews after doing 10% of games and spends a good hour repeating the same clichés. His review on horizon fw speaks for itself. Said he spent 30 hours in the daunt and thought it was part of the map from first game 😂😂
Man I remember back in June 2015 when the Fallout social media accounts posted the please stand by image, I was super hyped, I knew an announcement of Fallout 4 was imminent and man that reveal trailer was so good, the soundtrack by Inon Zur, still gives me chills 🙌 I must have re watched it at least 30 times!! Fallout 4 was so good, so many memories! Happy 25th anniversary Fallout 👏👏👏👏👏😊
Bruh no. The game suckedz
fallout 4 was my first M rated game, as well as my first Bethesda game, and truly set the tone for my gaming later. For that reason, I will always consider it one of my favorite games ever
It’s got such a nice vibe to it. You’re all alone in this world, and you meet all these people and you have all these interactions. Also, who can forget Dogmeat, that cute little guy?
The music is also amazing, so poignant, and it fits the game so well
I started playing it in 2023 and I love it, I remember when it was released I was playing on the 360 by then so I forgot about it, huge mistake. The story, music, environment…. Man is just amazing
You poor bastard 🤣.
Play New Vegas. Change your life.
That's your choice to focus on main story all the way! I've never play like this! I always mix main campaign with secondary missions! I sometimes spent more time on secondary missions. I develop a lot my base and like to take control of everything around it; I looked also for BIG amor and secret places! The game tells you where you need to go next but never when.
I just started replaying this. I love this game. Even if you follow the story, you can't go straight to the mission of tracking down your missing son until you raise a few levels and collect some proper weapons. The 1st mirelurk you find will teach you quickly that you need to slow down. Side missions are the way to get there.
I wish the building aspect was better. I'd like to have cleaner build pieces so my bases don't look like shacks, and give me the option to expand my base perimeter so I can collect wood and steel that I can see from the edge of it. I love that I can create trade routes between my bases. It's a logical explanation for having access to the resources between bases. With skyrim for instance, I fill a storage container will steel plates, then build that container in every base. It works, but how? Teleportation?
The base building was super fun but it was bothersome that they thought people would just keep thing building materials looking like shit for no reason
This is what I call, trying to get on Bethesda’s good side to get that review code for star field
The thing I like about fallout 4 is that they encourage you to blast through the story, but they added tons of things to do outside of the story for people who want to play the game their way.
Agreed. A lot of these stories now a days too are getting way too involved, if I want to watch a f*cking movie I will watch a movie, some story and comedy is good in games but it's getting out of hand. I want good gameplay and quite frankly.... a game. Fallout 4 does this well.
@@figureitoutpunktrue, so much clever comedy mixed with gripping action and character drama.
I actually started a new modded playthrough about 20 days ago, about 72 hours in thus far.
Now that’s nothing special, but considering that I’ve replayed F3 and New Vegas countless times, it’s taken me 7 years to get this far with Fallout 4.
When Fallout 4 was announced I was the most hyped for a game I had ever been till and since, yet I managed to play and complete the base game, ignored automatron, loved Far Harbor(personal highlight) and quiet/got burnt out about 1/3rd through Nuka World, every subsequent attempt never made it further than Diamond City.
This time I’ve taken a different approach, ignore the main story and base building within reason, and instead focus on the one and only original thing/ideas F4 had, the minute men!
Plan to “unify” the commonwealth, build up the minutemen and create peace and prosperity, Preston be damned lol
EDIT: what I’ve come to accept/remember, at least for me is that Fallout 4 had a great world, combat and atmosphere.
But it’s story(s) are shit, there are too many random ass quests and the whole game is full of filler bullshit that you have to wade though!
Fallout 4 and RDR2 are in my top 3 games of all time
The side stories are actually the best, the hundreds of hidden and un marked stories of he commonwealth is immersive, more immersive than any other game ive ever seen.
I love this game so much! I admit it has its issues but for me the game has always been amazing!
Another settlement needs your help general
been playing this game since it launched.. still like it now, with 300+mods...whenever i feel bored i just dive into this game and enjoy the post apocalypstic nuance while tinkering with mods. And yes far harbor is really something else, best dlc ever especially with weather mods
The settlements are even better there! Plenty of beach in the base game, but you never get to build near there.
IM SO glad you mentioned cyberpunk. literally, the only problem I had was the dissonance between go out and explore vs you are LITTERALY DYING!
Yeah, I believe the game could've handled that much better with making Act 1 longer or Idk even something simple like changing Vic's dialogue to 'a few months' instead of the canonical 'few weeks' that we have left to live...
I played when the game came out but mostly only did the main story and couldn’t get into anything else. However I recently played it on my PC and modded the game to have a more gloomy atmosphere and tone while also removing the main character’s voice and I really enjoyed playing all the game had to offer.
Also, I believe the lead quest/narrative designer for far harbor is also the lead quest/narrative designer for starfield.
Fallout 4 is easily in my top 3 most fav games of all times, I can't describe it but it makes me feel amazing, the exploration, game mechanics are perfect
What are your other 2 favorite games?
Same my top 3 is 1. Sonic 1 2. Halo ce 3. Fallout 4 . Yes Ik my game taste is all over the place
So, this is my favourite game and I played it through a few times, each time I play I have a whole new experience.
Based af
This was the game that made me completely fall in love with fallout. Loved the story, loved the settlements, loved it.
Years later I'd try 76, enjoyed it somewhat
Then I got to play fallout 3 and new Vegas. New Vegas shook me to my core. That was one disturbing game. Loved the hell out of it.
the good thing that made 76 work better for me than 4 was that it was more of just exploring and making your own character
This game made me love Fallout as well. Never played it before. I haven't played Fallout 3 yet. I did get Fallout 1 and 2 and I couldn't stand to play them. I'm sure back in the day they rocked, but now they are just frustrating to no end.
@@DaisukeFlamedramon My first was FO3; that moment when you first leave the vault into an open world is the greatest video moment I've ever had.
@@DaisukeFlamedramonif you haven’t played the proper ones then you don’t love fallout.
Fallout 4 isn’t fallout. It’s like the last Jedi. Just because you put the name fallout or Star Wars on it, doesn’t make it part of the club.
You’ll probably hate fallout 3 and nv then, they’re nothing like fo4. They’re actually good games with amazing atmosphere and story telling.
@Burner-td4cu aw come on that's so gatekeepy. I love them all, even though fo4 is different
That’s funny.. after 3 full playthroughs I was able to engage with the main story and explore everything without it feeling odd. I always treated it as you’ve been in hibernation for ages and since your child was abducted long ago you know that they might not even be alive, let alone you need to investigate where they are first. You’re not ignoring the main story, but things happen beyond your control that you need to give your attention to as well.. or the investigation takes you places where stuff happens.
At the end of the day, it’s just not a binary choice: either ignore the main quest or not, in order to have it make sense in my opinion. It’s all subjective anyway so feel like you want to about it but it’s not an issue to me and many others and it never has been.
I agree completely here. I've beaten the main storyline several times, I prefer to side with the Institute to take control of synths after you finish the game, but that's just the thing, just because the main storyline is over doesn't mean you have to stop playing the game. I would pretty much always get to the point where you kill Kellogg, find out your son is at the institute, then I would go explore and do whatever I liked for a bit before coming back to finish the story.
@@tylerknapp863 i have lvl 110 save atm and i haven't destroyed any of em it feels stupid and i discovered all locations in vanilla map and dlc + all bobbleheads and magazines i completed the game 100% also its not steam so
I just love it. Sure I have a dozen mods to fix problems with it but there's just so much content and the world is so fun. I keep going back to it again and again.
I play every game like that.
Being a completionist means you have to go everywhere, speak to everyone and test everything out before every mission/quest step
...don't want to miss anything, ya know?
Life is hell for our kind isn't it.
@@jasonhymes3382 I wouldn't say it's "hell", but the backlog for games is always getting longer, and as I'm already 50 years old I know I'm never going to catch up and I'm going to miss some greats. 😢
To be honest I love fallout 4 faults and all I also do really like the settlement building you can do even tho a lot of people don’t. It allows you to create fortress, set elements or just small safe spots for you to rest or just make look nice tho I think they need to not make it a mandatory thing if they bring it back in future games. Let it be something you can do and you get stuff from it but not be a main focus like it was for the minute men
I spent about 30 hours with Fallout 4 on Xbox. While I enjoyed much of my time with it, I think my biggest issue with it was that there were just too many distractions from the story and exploration. I honestly don't think I was anywhere near done with the main storyline when I stopped, and while finding interesting new areas was great,, I kept feeling like I was being pulled back into the town-building aspect. Essentially, I felt like I was expected to tend to these little settlements dotting the landscape in order to play the game "right", because until I had spent hours upon hours setting up the perfect protected space for the other wastelanders, I couldn't trust the A.I. to defend itself. It felt particularly gamey due to the fact that these settlements were seemingly not "activated" until I found them, so these A.I. characters were perfectly capable of living on their own until I discovered them, after which they required near-constant babysitting.
Ultimately, the game felt like it was trying to introduce simulation-like elements that didn't mesh with the roleplaying elements, and it hurt both aspects as a result. I wanted to explore and talk to new characters, but was constantly pulled back to these settlements because for all I know, there won't be anything left next time I go there if I don't.
I'll admit my view of it may not have been fully accurate, but it's how it felt to me. I loved Fallout 3 and did complete the main story and DLC's for it, but in FO4, there are simply too many things trying to stop your from progressing forward either in its story or the map in general. It may be easier if you do indeed don't take anything seriously, don't worry about anyone dying, and just focus on exploring and looting. That does require you to ignore any of the "roleplaying" aspects, or to specifically roleplay as an uncaring asshole, and at that point, it doesn't feel as fulfilling as it should because you no longer feel connected to your player character.
I thought fallout 4 had an amazing story. the fact he says this basically means he hates the game. i can only enjoy games if they have a good story. god why did the game so close to my heart have to be objectively bad
The exploration and looting in fallout 4 makes it worth replaying
Fallout 3, New Vegas, and Fallout 4 are by far masterpieces in my mind. Theyre all really well done.
Fallout New Vegas is a masterpiece the other two are trash
@@Sigismund-von-Luxembourg they aren't trash just not as good
Never played 3 but agree with nv and 4 fantastic games and 4 has tons of replay value with mods survival mode is addicting and i love settlement building
@@Sigismund-von-Luxembourg NV is just fallout 3.5 with slightly better missions and far more people have more playtime on fl4 than any other fallout title so it's just shows that it isn't just about story and is about having fun
Fallout New Vegas is a good game but not a good Vegas game.
Whenever he said "Johnny", my brain would just automatically start singing "JOHNNY GUITAAAAAARR....."
i started Fallout 4 a bit ago, but i stopped playing for a hot minute. then i came back, and honestly, i’m enjoying every part of it. from the story to the free exploration and looting. i also adore the glitches. perhaps i just have a strange taste for really glitched up games, but none of it is so game breaking, more silly and charming.
and i do like a lot of the characters lol. i love that they all have their own stories for the most part and that you can get into so many interactions.
Turn all of that up to 10 by playing new Vegas
You can do pretty much whatever you want in this game. You don't have to rush the main story. I have all dlc in the game and other than Nuka World. I absolutely love it.
I personally liked the mod where you got the option to save Nora in the beginning because it helps ground your character into that married pre war roll. And the ability to to actually step into the characters past life like fallout NV I always thought was cool.
You are not supposed to stray off. You will glitch the narrative. For example, if you stray into subway, you will meet Nick, therefore you will missed the conversation with his secretary and her suspense.
My favorite game, period. Never even used any mods. I can spend an entire day just planning a layout for a settlement and how effectively how to defend it against whatever may come. I really hope that fort building isn't removed from the next game. It's my favorite part. Putting whatever clothes I want on my settlers, arming them with whatever I choose. That's so enjoyable for me.
I spent hours at a time just building settlements lol it was my favorite part of the game
I don't care about settlements since I'm not that creative. I felt *obligated* to build them up after a point.
@@RoyalMudcrab that’s true, some of the time it felt annoying having to do literally EVERYTHING for the settlements, some of which I didn’t even want or care about, especially at the beginning w the minutemen.
Omg I am so glad you brought up Cyberpunk 2077 as an example.
I literally did that with my first playthrough as I like to mildly roleplay. I literally never even met the male romanceable character because I finished the game so quickly..... The game just has this vibe causing you to rush; like with how you are dying or when people message you they often say 'get here now!' or it's a life and death situation etc. I just don't like how someone needs me but I can go one week later just wouldn't feel right imo.
Still love the game though, I called it out on release and still have plenty of issues with the boring world and combat but I don't think anyone can deny the story and characters are awesome.
The Lead Quest Designer has noted this as an issue with Both Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk.
Boring world?
@@OgnielGSo many buildings locked, even most of the vendors are just visual. One thing I wanted to do was buy a random BD to use but unless there is a scripted moment you can't use one.
I've recently started another character in F4 after not playing it since completing Nuka World when it came out. I'm enjoying it so much, much more than when I first played it. Really a fantastic game.
Damn I am going to get this game because I am PlayStation and I can’t get starfield so I’ll get this