A mathematician, a physicist and an engineer were all given a red rubber ball and told to find the volume. The mathematician carefully measured the diameter and evaluated a triple integral. The physicist filled a beaker with water, put the ball in the water, and measured the total displacement. The engineer looked up the model and serial numbers in his "Red-Rubber-Ball" table.
Depends on the type of engineer. A mechanical engineer will look up the part in a table because they have to design things with components that are fully characterized for their application and well understood. A chemical engineer will weigh the ball, send a sample of it off to a lab for thorough analysis, then infer the volume from the listed density of polybutadiene. An electrical engineer will look at it and approximate to the nearest order of magnitude because the volume of rubber has too high of a temperature coefficient to be used in a more precise application anyway. Then he'd spec an expensive, dimensionally accurate, ceramic ball to replace it if it's volume needed to be known. A controls engineer would suggest paying the manufacturer's $10,000 a year subscription for their rubber ball system model. An industrial engineer will require a sample of a few hundred rubber balls and will proceed to meticulously measure the flashing, sprue, and surface finish on each only to give the answer in units of 25kg bags per 1,000 products.
One day Francis must do a series where you're the main character. A series where you're mobile and doing things. I don't know the theme of the series, but I have the title: Yunners' Redemption.
To expose the world to devastation. To entomb all dupes within our nation. To denounce the evils of sporchid love. To extend our reach to the buddy buds. Steam rockets blasting off again...!!
The power production spike was probably from the old cooling station you had in the bottom left. When you were cooling all the hot debris after strip mining.
He showed a couple episodes ago that it finished cooling everything from that area, so that can't be it. EDIT - I see it now, the graph section. Except that started roughly about cycle 1400 not 1700, it was part of the elevated power generation but not the spike.
Insolite piping? That's going to trigger someone. Probably on purpose. Poor Yunners, now famous in certain circles as the standard potato for unfortunate jobs.
Poor Yunners, poor Yunners indeed. She has gone on to eternal bliss. She is no longer here with us but her presence is still felt. Remember Yunners, for she could come back at any time. ... Okay, when you put it that way I can see how this can seem like an unfortunate fate. But better this than spending your last moments in radioactive agony as you are constantly ejected from the medical bed with the colony doctors looking down on you with sadness in their eyes, knowing there is nothing they can do to save you or even make your last moments less comfortable. Which is a thing that actually happened in the previous playthrough.
Hey francis, there's no need to put in automation to prevent a rocket taking off before the cargo is empty, as the rocket checklist needs to be complete to launch a rocket with automation, and an empty cargo is one of the requirements! Edit: I see you spotted this during the video, also regarding your problem with the top of the chimney overheating, it may be simpler to only output water from the end steam turbine on the rows, and use more turbines lower if you want more water
@Grz349 I can't remember what he was trying to do. But above -273.15 oC will return true if there's something on the line and false if there isn't, which is what he wanted.
I think you can put air-pumps for each row and directly add steam to steam rooms just like rockets. You can control heat and pressure so it can run limit all the time.
Very nicely done, always love your designs. If you want to have a cap on insulite production, you could add a smart storage automation in place which will send a green signal once full.
Renaming a rocket, confirming with Enter disables the cockpit, or the platform they both do. I bet most do double Enter reenables it's just more convenient to do that than to click the rocket window without risking a misckick discarding the rename.
Maybe I'm missing something... I thought the point of the chimney was to produce water. However, the turbines are isolated from the chimney and will produce loads of power... but no water. What am I missing? Edit: Never mind; he addresses this...
As we saw with the spiking temps towards the top, the thinner the steam, the more problematic converting it to liquid water with steam turbines will be. I'd imagine in continuous long-term use, steam hitting the top-most turbines will be close to 2000°C of the rocket exhaust. I assume you could brute-force cool steam turbines as one solution. Here are some more thoughts: 1) Use a non-powered form of steam compression. A bead-pump or a door compressor would create a local vacuum that competes with the open top of the map. You could pre-cool the compressed steam with steam turbines through steel-door-contacts and liquify on the "open end" with a super-coolant loop. 2) Speed up thermal diffusion along the bunker tiles by rotating supercoolant through them in a closed loop to draw heat at the top down into the "cooler" region of the chimney. A rotating loop of 20kg packets of thermium on a belt would also help with that. That way you could still keep the steam-intake restricted to the top couple of rows of steam turbines.
I wonder if it would have been more efficient to build a nuclear waste cooling booster. While just using a bunch of heat belts to just cool the water right in the chimney.
I still would have liked to have seen the entire map flooded with liquid steel, yet he already explained that it is doable just that it would take forever. So perhaps on the next playthrough, instead of flooding the map with liquid steel, perhaps try another extreme. Flood the map with nuclear waste. Of course, keep their living quarters, farms, industrial area sealed off protecting it with radioactive shielding materials. This would also kind of force you to have to constantly make radiation pills, as well as radioactive protection suites. I think that would make for an awesome challenge.
You should really consider closing down the top of the chimney. You can easily do that with a bunch of orGates of the rockets when they're ready to launch and run a wire to the bunker doors. That way you can stabilize the top of the chimney regarding pressure and temp a bit more. Also running coolant through the bunker tiles all the way up and down. Consider using the controller station as well because it improves travel time and its way better than in space out to use :D
Have you considered adding in the Mission Control Station? (I saw it as a building option at 34:20). I tested it and found near the top of the map it saves about 0.28 of a cycle of travel time. On the other hand the station saves "What is my Porpoise" about 0.4 of a cycle
Interesting how the maths for "How many steam turbines can one aquatuner support" (12) differs from "How many steam turbines are optimal for a self-contained single aquatuner heat deletion module" (10). The difference being the heat the aquatuner injects back into the system. It's still breaking my brain that both are valid answers.
Here's an idea if you really gonna fill the entire map including space with water: use Pixel Packs as the Dry Wall replacement if possible. I know they are background buildings, but I don't know if they prevent liquids from escaping into space like Dry Wall would. It would be super expensive to pull off, but it would be super fancy. You could even automate the display depending on which rockets are currently on the planet, how full the water tank is, time of the day and other events.
About those mechanized airlocks that transfer heat with the steam turbine rooms. Unpowered doors sometimes continue to transfer heat despite being open and have a vacuum inside. Something about the timing.
I've had that bug cause problems for me a few times, but I believe there were patch notes addressing the issue (saying it should be patched), and I've never had that issue since then. If it does occur, reloading the game/map will fix said issue.
assuming that the steamrocket puts out cooler steam then the carg ones i think it would have been smarter to swap them arround with steam to the left and cargo to the right snuggled up to the neutronium. this way the steam can fan out more and looses a lot of heat doing so. this way your buildings should not melt at all (mostly. the important bits like the gas pumps most definitely dont).
Could you have a super heavy cooling loop at the top to condense the steam? You wouldn't get any steam or heat loss that way. You'd just need to figure out if the pipes and liquid could handle the temp spikes.
FJ, a couple ideas from my latest chimney; I capped the chimney with regular steel mech doors and protected them with meteor blasters. The timing, wiring, and gas trapping is so much better and easier. If you seal the STs in an ethanol environment, you can condense the ethanol vapor at the top for better cooling efficiency. Using a water collection ST to pull super hot steam past isolated AT/STs can help with thermoregulating super heated steam. The isolated AT/ST steam chamber can be a massive heatsink that can tame hydro rocket exhaust no problem. Place all sensitive equipment like pumps near the water collecting ST.
I wonder why Francis doesn't, say, use a heat deletion turbine setup to super-chill some coolant down to near freezing, then just run it through radiant pipes and let the steam condense naturally. Wouldn't you delete a lot more heat from the steam that way, running the turbines as hot as possible? You could even chill the chimney wall itself down to something brisk and then pump water out the bottom, right? (or use a waterfall pump to just inject it through to the bottom of the tank?) I'm sure I'm missing some reason why this isn't a good idea, but I can't think of it.
19:03 Hydrogen rockets & cargo unload. I don't know how ONI logic works, but if you can't set the sensors to anything, maybe you can set the to NOT(NOTHING). That's my solution when that happens to me in spreadsheets.
I wonder if the rocket chimney could get to the point where there were enough hydrogen rockets to handle all liquid cleaning. Aka just dump all the salt and polluted water into the chimney and evaporate it all. Could help reduce the heat in there and simplify piping / filtering liquids.
Counteract Global Warming BEGIN Global Freezing! 🥶👍 Also think it is a good idea to expand the map to all viable places... more specifically drywall space give us a water level as close to 100% as is viable while still giving dupes some areas. No water can be lost a comment from another person in a previous video suggested an infinite storage for ice at the top of the map.😑
If it's hard to get the steam to the end of the turbines... Why not just have in every 3 turbine chunk, have the first turbine open to the chimney steam... Then the second two sealed up, just to eat the heat. Can probably configure it so you don't need to move more than the first turbine to the right.
Would it be possible to tap off from the top of the chimney and delete enough heat to directly condense the steam? Is it just more efficient to have the turbines condense it without a fallout cooler?
Hmmm if you're readjusting all the steam turbines on the right side of the map, why not install all the extra thermo aquatuners and/or thermo regulators there, along with the needed piping to start cooling down and eventually freeze the water tank.
What would happen if you use the first steam turbine on each level to remove water and the second and 3rd ones to remove heat only. then all your turbines would be running at full speed and you wouldn't have an overheating issue. Is that a crazy idea?
can you put air pumps just before space to stop the steam from escaping at the same rate? you could input the steam under the generators or outside the chimney. you have the power ^^ (honestly you should probably take all steam from the top and let nothing escape, that way none of your effort is wasted)
So, steam from rockets is 2000°C and overheat of thermium pumps around 975°C. For the "thick" 15kg steam at the bottom well-cooled by steam turbines, that is not a problem, but at the top you want to go down to almost vacuum, so steam temps will rise drastically. This is a general problem of his intended use of the rocket chimney and I'm curious how it will shake out 😇
i dont understand, why do you have the rocket nav skill i don't and im running the same dlc's, im on spaced out with the ceres frosty pack, what am i missing
Last time you did this my man you had the same air pressure problem and has to rejigger the whole thing to be 4 tall so you had enough airflow to them IIRC.
If you think yizu are overtime, you should check out Drachinifel's 5-Minute-Guides to Warships (More or Less). Spoiler: They are never 5 Minutes long. More like Tens of Minutes long... Sometimes over an Hour.
use extra power to pump out hot steam to room with active cooling (many super coolant aquatuners) steam condensate and just pump these water out from there ?
Conveyer temp sensor would work if you set it to the default empty rai temp. I think it’s absolute 0, like thermo sensor. I.E. above 0 kelvin, send red.
@@VINAGHOST ok, think I got it, is this solution right: the Conductive Panel has the same thermal conductivity as a radiant pipe, but interacts directly with the building it should cool. On the other hand, with the radiant pipe you have the way: Pipe -> Liquid -> Building, so you get better cooling by adding more intermediate liquid, so this part is greater than one. So basically Panel is: Pipe -> 1 -> Building Liquid proper set up: Pipe -> c(L) -> Building with c(L) > 1
@@vonrheinland4924 panel: heat => steam turbine (building) => panel (building) => super coolant (liquid) liquid setup: heat => steam turbine (building) => petroleum (cell) => radiant pipe ( pipe) => super coolant (liquid) in normal situation, 2 building cannot exchange their heat, but in wiki, they said "Building Conduction Panel" is same Building Cell but treat panel as a 100 kg cell and divide result by 11", the important part is "divide result by 11", this is why panel is weaker
well, if you wanna maximize water production then introducing more hydrogen rockets is bad. they take up more space, have longer trips, and generate more heat you have to deal with. spamming more steam rockets is clearly the way to go.
If you've got liquid to spare (ie: a bunch of crude oil and/or petroleum), from some LITE research you can generate steam (as a byproduct) from feeding in hotter and hotter materials. You can boil crude oil into petroleum. The wiki has a confusing (to me) table of outputs. Also, don't forget about geotuning water geysers to get more water.
If he wants to save space for more water, he could move his main power plant to the rocket chimney. There's an outlet _right there_ he could seal off and put inside the chimney and then configure of the steam turbines to dump their load into the planetary water tank.
It's not like you're lacking in power. Why not just add aquatuners? Three turbines could run two aquatuners with modest net power output, and those two aquatuners would be able to cool three turbines running on 1000C steam.
For the sake of flooding the map: why not automate bunker doors at the top of the chimney to seal in any steam from departing and landing rockets? Edit. I missed the part where you said you are going to extract the steam. Silly me. If you then open up the steam rooms you could directly siphon off any steam and dump it into the map.
@@keonwilson3505 id say its because its pretty hard to time the opening and closing with the constant launch of rockets that plus the fact that most steam will be at the bottom should see about 90% of the steam being collected. Putting in door automtics for maybe 10% and risking it completely messing up the system doesnt look all that worth the extra steam.
Thanks for the video! You may consider getting the mod called "chained deconstruction" so that way you don't have to deconstruct things 2 tiles at a time
Couldn’t you just add another aquatuner to each of the systems of 12 rather than rejigging it to 9. You’re not short on the resources. Seems like it would be quicker
A mathematician, a physicist and an engineer were all given a red rubber ball and told to find the volume.
The mathematician carefully measured the diameter and evaluated a triple integral.
The physicist filled a beaker with water, put the ball in the water, and measured the total displacement.
The engineer looked up the model and serial numbers in his "Red-Rubber-Ball" table.
Depends on the type of engineer.
A mechanical engineer will look up the part in a table because they have to design things with components that are fully characterized for their application and well understood.
A chemical engineer will weigh the ball, send a sample of it off to a lab for thorough analysis, then infer the volume from the listed density of polybutadiene.
An electrical engineer will look at it and approximate to the nearest order of magnitude because the volume of rubber has too high of a temperature coefficient to be used in a more precise application anyway. Then he'd spec an expensive, dimensionally accurate, ceramic ball to replace it if it's volume needed to be known.
A controls engineer would suggest paying the manufacturer's $10,000 a year subscription for their rubber ball system model.
An industrial engineer will require a sample of a few hundred rubber balls and will proceed to meticulously measure the flashing, sprue, and surface finish on each only to give the answer in units of 25kg bags per 1,000 products.
Can't say if I had you or love you guys, I've now laughed for 10 minutes and have quite the painful side stitches.
There's only one issue with regards to the engineer. What if the red-rubber-ball is undocumented?
A musician would listen carefully to the red-rubber-ball when it bounces.
@@esven9263 And a software engineer would ... copy the volume out of Stack Overflow?
I sure hope my rocket doesn't desposit me on a distant planet somewhere with giant insects, killer robots and psychotic colonists.
Into the breach 🥳
One day Francis must do a series where you're the main character. A series where you're mobile and doing things.
I don't know the theme of the series, but I have the title: Yunners' Redemption.
To expose the world to devastation. To entomb all dupes within our nation. To denounce the evils of sporchid love. To extend our reach to the buddy buds.
Steam rockets blasting off again...!!
Prepare for rubble! Make that double!
@@gradious7497 Get into your eternal bubble, you got a job to do.
Steam rockets blasting off again is incredible haha
If the plan is to eventually freeze the water, putting some Aquatuners on the rocket chimney output now might make it a lot easier later.
The power production spike was probably from the old cooling station you had in the bottom left. When you were cooling all the hot debris after strip mining.
He showed a couple episodes ago that it finished cooling everything from that area, so that can't be it.
EDIT - I see it now, the graph section. Except that started roughly about cycle 1400 not 1700, it was part of the elevated power generation but not the spike.
Insolite piping? That's going to trigger someone. Probably on purpose.
Poor Yunners, now famous in certain circles as the standard potato for unfortunate jobs.
Poor Yunners, poor Yunners indeed. She has gone on to eternal bliss. She is no longer here with us but her presence is still felt. Remember Yunners, for she could come back at any time.
... Okay, when you put it that way I can see how this can seem like an unfortunate fate.
But better this than spending your last moments in radioactive agony as you are constantly ejected from the medical bed with the colony doctors looking down on you with sadness in their eyes, knowing there is nothing they can do to save you or even make your last moments less comfortable. Which is a thing that actually happened in the previous playthrough.
Maybe I LIKE the misery...
Freezing the Entire map using just the Trees would be Silly. but seems doable
Hey francis, there's no need to put in automation to prevent a rocket taking off before the cargo is empty, as the rocket checklist needs to be complete to launch a rocket with automation, and an empty cargo is one of the requirements!
Edit: I see you spotted this during the video, also regarding your problem with the top of the chimney overheating, it may be simpler to only output water from the end steam turbine on the rows, and use more turbines lower if you want more water
I mean is it really a base if Yunners isn’t part of the infrastructure?
The cargo rail temperature sensor returns 0K if it's empty.
So he can just plug it into the And gate?
@Grz349 I can't remember what he was trying to do. But above -273.15 oC will return true if there's something on the line and false if there isn't, which is what he wanted.
Friendly reminder: Thursday is when the next DLC hits. Bionic dupes are a lot of fun to mess around with. And they don't require food, just power.
new dlc already??
@@annoyannoy Yups. The beta is already playable, I've been messing around with it and it's a blast.
@@krissimonis3604 Damn, that was fast after the frozen dlc.
Yes! A bedtime win to desperately keep my eyes open to before I suddenly wake up almost late for work 😂
Do you ever wonder if the dupes giggle to themselves and whisper "we are in the hands of engineers"?
Francis is such a crazy ONI scientist. I love it.
I think you can put air-pumps for each row and directly add steam to steam rooms just like rockets. You can control heat and pressure so it can run limit all the time.
Very nicely done, always love your designs. If you want to have a cap on insulite production, you could add a smart storage automation in place which will send a green signal once full.
Renaming a rocket, confirming with Enter disables the cockpit, or the platform they both do. I bet most do double Enter reenables it's just more convenient to do that than to click the rocket window without risking a misckick discarding the rename.
Love the names you gave your rockets, it takes some inspiration to reach that level!
I'd happily compromise with a nearly frozen ocean capped by thick ice on top
Maybe I'm missing something... I thought the point of the chimney was to produce water. However, the turbines are isolated from the chimney and will produce loads of power... but no water. What am I missing?
Edit: Never mind; he addresses this...
incase anybody wonder when did he talk about it, it is 12:17
Yes, you are missing. That is preparation. It all need some work to stabilize this instalation
As we saw with the spiking temps towards the top, the thinner the steam, the more problematic converting it to liquid water with steam turbines will be. I'd imagine in continuous long-term use, steam hitting the top-most turbines will be close to 2000°C of the rocket exhaust. I assume you could brute-force cool steam turbines as one solution. Here are some more thoughts:
1) Use a non-powered form of steam compression. A bead-pump or a door compressor would create a local vacuum that competes with the open top of the map. You could pre-cool the compressed steam with steam turbines through steel-door-contacts and liquify on the "open end" with a super-coolant loop.
2) Speed up thermal diffusion along the bunker tiles by rotating supercoolant through them in a closed loop to draw heat at the top down into the "cooler" region of the chimney. A rotating loop of 20kg packets of thermium on a belt would also help with that. That way you could still keep the steam-intake restricted to the top couple of rows of steam turbines.
If you put a cooling loop at the top of the chimney it could rain down and cool the whole things while preventing some loss to space.
I wonder if it would have been more efficient to build a nuclear waste cooling booster. While just using a bunch of heat belts to just cool the water right in the chimney.
I still would have liked to have seen the entire map flooded with liquid steel, yet he already explained that it is doable just that it would take forever. So perhaps on the next playthrough, instead of flooding the map with liquid steel, perhaps try another extreme. Flood the map with nuclear waste. Of course, keep their living quarters, farms, industrial area sealed off protecting it with radioactive shielding materials. This would also kind of force you to have to constantly make radiation pills, as well as radioactive protection suites. I think that would make for an awesome challenge.
Insane run as always Francis... great job
You should really consider closing down the top of the chimney. You can easily do that with a bunch of orGates of the rockets when they're ready to launch and run a wire to the bunker doors. That way you can stabilize the top of the chimney regarding pressure and temp a bit more. Also running coolant through the bunker tiles all the way up and down.
Consider using the controller station as well because it improves travel time and its way better than in space out to use :D
Have you considered adding in the Mission Control Station? (I saw it as a building option at 34:20). I tested it and found near the top of the map it saves about 0.28 of a cycle of travel time. On the other hand the station saves "What is my Porpoise" about 0.4 of a cycle
11:25 The term you're looking for, if I'm to be a chemical engineer in here, is "steady state".
I appreciate your commitment
I was going to sleep, but I made sure to check if Francis posted...
I guess i'm not going to sleep just yet.
Interesting how the maths for "How many steam turbines can one aquatuner support" (12) differs from "How many steam turbines are optimal for a self-contained single aquatuner heat deletion module" (10). The difference being the heat the aquatuner injects back into the system. It's still breaking my brain that both are valid answers.
Here's an idea if you really gonna fill the entire map including space with water: use Pixel Packs as the Dry Wall replacement if possible. I know they are background buildings, but I don't know if they prevent liquids from escaping into space like Dry Wall would. It would be super expensive to pull off, but it would be super fancy. You could even automate the display depending on which rockets are currently on the planet, how full the water tank is, time of the day and other events.
"There was a long term goal but I forget" Moos.
About those mechanized airlocks that transfer heat with the steam turbine rooms. Unpowered doors sometimes continue to transfer heat despite being open and have a vacuum inside. Something about the timing.
I've had that bug cause problems for me a few times, but I believe there were patch notes addressing the issue (saying it should be patched), and I've never had that issue since then. If it does occur, reloading the game/map will fix said issue.
@nightismonochrome I saw the bug in the last few weeks in a discord help channel. Powering the door fixed it.
17:20 "...a level sevel, ah, a leven seven..."
Almost there!
Since you have so much power now, you could always just directly pump the steam out and brute force cool it down to water.
assuming that the steamrocket puts out cooler steam then the carg ones i think it would have been smarter to swap them arround with steam to the left and cargo to the right snuggled up to the neutronium. this way the steam can fan out more and looses a lot of heat doing so. this way your buildings should not melt at all (mostly. the important bits like the gas pumps most definitely dont).
Eh, that was just a startup problem because the pressure was so low. Now there's much much more thermal mass to tank the heat boost.
Could you have a super heavy cooling loop at the top to condense the steam?
You wouldn't get any steam or heat loss that way. You'd just need to figure out if the pipes and liquid could handle the temp spikes.
Since the steam has such a problem moving from the right to the left ya could add some gas pumps to help move it along. You have the power to spare.
FJ, a couple ideas from my latest chimney;
I capped the chimney with regular steel mech doors and protected them with meteor blasters. The timing, wiring, and gas trapping is so much better and easier.
If you seal the STs in an ethanol environment, you can condense the ethanol vapor at the top for better cooling efficiency.
Using a water collection ST to pull super hot steam past isolated AT/STs can help with thermoregulating super heated steam. The isolated AT/ST steam chamber can be a massive heatsink that can tame hydro rocket exhaust no problem. Place all sensitive equipment like pumps near the water collecting ST.
I wonder why Francis doesn't, say, use a heat deletion turbine setup to super-chill some coolant down to near freezing, then just run it through radiant pipes and let the steam condense naturally. Wouldn't you delete a lot more heat from the steam that way, running the turbines as hot as possible? You could even chill the chimney wall itself down to something brisk and then pump water out the bottom, right? (or use a waterfall pump to just inject it through to the bottom of the tank?) I'm sure I'm missing some reason why this isn't a good idea, but I can't think of it.
you should drywall the rocket chimney hole rocket chimney
19:03 Hydrogen rockets & cargo unload. I don't know how ONI logic works, but if you can't set the sensors to anything, maybe you can set the to NOT(NOTHING).
That's my solution when that happens to me in spreadsheets.
I wonder if the rocket chimney could get to the point where there were enough hydrogen rockets to handle all liquid cleaning. Aka just dump all the salt and polluted water into the chimney and evaporate it all. Could help reduce the heat in there and simplify piping / filtering liquids.
Barely an intro and we already doing math... :O
Counteract Global Warming BEGIN Global Freezing! 🥶👍 Also think it is a good idea to expand the map to all viable places... more specifically drywall space give us a water level as close to 100% as is viable while still giving dupes some areas. No water can be lost a comment from another person in a previous video suggested an infinite storage for ice at the top of the map.😑
Yeah especially seeing that power wasted graph, i think he should get a head start on the cooling. Obvoiously no shortage of projects right now.
Put pumps at the top of the silo to capture the steam before it escapes 😅
I assume that viscogellock to the chimney will be closed off before the water reaches that level.
i found it pretty grim use of duplicates, like in warhammer 40k the dreadnaughts XD
48:01 the water level has risen enough to start to flood a general area exit/entrance to the hypertubes.
in less than one year Francis will be playing "Mind over Magic" a lot, remember this comment people 😂
3:29 where is my stock dance music for time-lapse builds? ;_;
If it's hard to get the steam to the end of the turbines... Why not just have in every 3 turbine chunk, have the first turbine open to the chimney steam... Then the second two sealed up, just to eat the heat. Can probably configure it so you don't need to move more than the first turbine to the right.
but how are you going to freeze the water tank? Maybe it would be a good idea to get one aquatuner for every three steam turbines...
This has gone on so long that they released a new DLC 😄
Would it be possible to tap off from the top of the chimney and delete enough heat to directly condense the steam? Is it just more efficient to have the turbines condense it without a fallout cooler?
Imagine how long it would take to fill a standard map with Super Coolent.
Oh I should be going to sleep
Am I the only one who heard "Sir Cough O. Gus 1"? Emphasis on the Sir...
The rockets would go out of sync because they're installed at different heights. The travel time for each one is slighty different :(
i would suggest if the steam engine is not being filed the pumps get the steam to the top steam turbine
27:25 Don't miss the rocket names.
Using bridges will let you save on cooling medium
Pretty sure empty cargo is on the checklist so it wouldn’t launch until empty either way.
You will be doing more frosty stuff when you start freezing the water tank....
Hmmm if you're readjusting all the steam turbines on the right side of the map, why not install all the extra thermo aquatuners and/or thermo regulators there, along with the needed piping to start cooling down and eventually freeze the water tank.
What would happen if you use the first steam turbine on each level to remove water and the second and 3rd ones to remove heat only. then all your turbines would be running at full speed and you wouldn't have an overheating issue. Is that a crazy idea?
can you put air pumps just before space to stop the steam from escaping at the same rate? you could input the steam under the generators or outside the chimney. you have the power ^^ (honestly you should probably take all steam from the top and let nothing escape, that way none of your effort is wasted)
So, steam from rockets is 2000°C and overheat of thermium pumps around 975°C. For the "thick" 15kg steam at the bottom well-cooled by steam turbines, that is not a problem, but at the top you want to go down to almost vacuum, so steam temps will rise drastically. This is a general problem of his intended use of the rocket chimney and I'm curious how it will shake out 😇
i dont understand, why do you have the rocket nav skill i don't and im running the same dlc's, im on spaced out with the ceres frosty pack, what am i missing
Will there be a bionic series soon?
Last time you did this my man you had the same air pressure problem and has to rejigger the whole thing to be 4 tall so you had enough airflow to them IIRC.
how about the left side is the mirror of rocket chimney size ice block. like ice - water - steam map. 3 versions of water as a map
AAAANNNND WE'RE BACK
If you think yizu are overtime, you should check out Drachinifel's 5-Minute-Guides to Warships (More or Less).
Spoiler: They are never 5 Minutes long.
More like Tens of Minutes long...
Sometimes over an Hour.
Can't you boil your excess nectar for more water?
Are you gonna play the Bionic Dupes DLC?
use extra power to pump out hot steam to room with active cooling (many super coolant aquatuners) steam condensate and just pump these water out from there ?
39:19 a bubble appeared in hydro tank.
Conveyer temp sensor would work if you set it to the default empty rai temp. I think it’s absolute 0, like thermo sensor. I.E. above 0 kelvin, send red.
Hey, is there a special reason why not to use the conduction Panel instead of radiant pipes in liquid to cool the turbines?
The conduction panel sucks. It's much more performant just to use a liquid layer and radiant pipes.
@@wagnerrp Can you go into more detail and in which performance, the heat travel or the fps?
conduction pannel support low thermal transfer, when it come to steam turbine, as you can see in the table, heat they create is too much for those
@@VINAGHOST ok, think I got it, is this solution right:
the Conductive Panel has the same thermal conductivity as a radiant pipe, but interacts directly with the building it should cool.
On the other hand, with the radiant pipe you have the way: Pipe -> Liquid -> Building, so you get better cooling by adding more intermediate liquid, so this part is greater than one.
So basically Panel is:
Pipe -> 1 -> Building
Liquid proper set up:
Pipe -> c(L) -> Building with c(L) > 1
@@vonrheinland4924 panel: heat => steam turbine (building) => panel (building) => super coolant (liquid)
liquid setup: heat => steam turbine (building) => petroleum (cell) => radiant pipe ( pipe) => super coolant (liquid)
in normal situation, 2 building cannot exchange their heat, but in wiki, they said "Building Conduction Panel" is same Building Cell but treat panel as a 100 kg cell and divide result by 11", the important part is "divide result by 11", this is why panel is weaker
I don't play ONI enough to remember why steam rockets make water faster? Is there Hydrogen and Oxygen sources/vents I've forgotten about?
Rockets don't produce exhaust based on the fuel consumed, but rather at a specific heat and rate
well, if you wanna maximize water production then introducing more hydrogen rockets is bad. they take up more space, have longer trips, and generate more heat you have to deal with. spamming more steam rockets is clearly the way to go.
If you've got liquid to spare (ie: a bunch of crude oil and/or petroleum), from some LITE research you can generate steam (as a byproduct) from feeding in hotter and hotter materials. You can boil crude oil into petroleum. The wiki has a confusing (to me) table of outputs.
Also, don't forget about geotuning water geysers to get more water.
Francis is using the geothermal Powerplant as a water cleaning facility, so he doesn't have the spare fluid capacity on it
@@fuuryuuSKK He could still heat it up more.
If he wants to save space for more water, he could move his main power plant to the rocket chimney. There's an outlet _right there_ he could seal off and put inside the chimney and then configure of the steam turbines to dump their load into the planetary water tank.
It's not like you're lacking in power. Why not just add aquatuners? Three turbines could run two aquatuners with modest net power output, and those two aquatuners would be able to cool three turbines running on 1000C steam.
For the sake of flooding the map: why not automate bunker doors at the top of the chimney to seal in any steam from departing and landing rockets?
Edit. I missed the part where you said you are going to extract the steam. Silly me.
If you then open up the steam rooms you could directly siphon off any steam and dump it into the map.
@@keonwilson3505 id say its because its pretty hard to time the opening and closing with the constant launch of rockets that plus the fact that most steam will be at the bottom should see about 90% of the steam being collected. Putting in door automtics for maybe 10% and risking it completely messing up the system doesnt look all that worth the extra steam.
@@imperialspacemarine1539As far as i remembered producing water was the point. Its a chore to set up. But works pretty flawlessly
HI FRANCIS
Thanks for the video! You may consider getting the mod called "chained deconstruction" so that way you don't have to deconstruct things 2 tiles at a time
the wood backing is so ugly needs to be changed! :D
11:20 stable
Couldn’t you just add another aquatuner to each of the systems of 12 rather than rejigging it to 9. You’re not short on the resources. Seems like it would be quicker
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