It's honestly really hard to find content on HDR, especially explaining character changes, so I hope you produce more of this type of content because I love HDR
Give Daisy her Crystal punch and get rid of umbrella, also change turnips to carrots from Mario Land 2 and make Daisy bomber have chance to explode when hit (similar to Luigi side B)
6:24 it’s not a random chance, you can pull bombchu by holding the button as apposed to tapping it, and it has a brief cooldown before you can use it again (the cooldown ending is signified by a yellow spark effect)
Wait WTF I'd heard of HDR as just the vague concept of "Ultimate getting the PM treatment" so I've never cared to look into it, but this is actually sick!
Didnt mention that toon link also has 3 jumps with the feather item being referenced for his third jump, and his recovery is vastly different using a glider instead of hero spin
honestly, i remember thinking in the shower how sick it would be if dark samus had a move where she plunged her hand into the ground to make a bunch of phazon tentacles pop up. it was something she could do in sm4sh as an assist trophy so to see HDR bring that move into reality is the "leo decaprio pointing" meme for me
Ken had air fire balls in MvC2, I think in X-men vs Street Fighter, Marvel vs Street Fighter and in Marvel vs Capcom one if you use ryu's super to switch to the Ken play style.
Omg YES! This is the type of cloning I was looking for! The Echo Fighter concept feels like an afterthought. Every clone from the same series should feel like their own character.
Well maybe because it totally was an after thought? Having so many characters is not easy thing to do at all. And you make it sound like is so easy to do when your dealing with that many characters expecting few corners being cut is being more important task to do
@@Yoshizuyuner I TOTALLY think of it as an after thought. To work on 74 characters in the initial roster and a story mode in only 2 and a half years definitely tells me that “compromises” were made instead of taking their time.
@@Yoshizuyuner Man. Plenty of clones in other games have been afterthoughts. Just look at the Tekken Tag 2 roster with 54 characters. And even the most clones of clones in that game have more differences than half the Echo fighters. (I'm talking like 2 different moves maximum which is at least SOMETHING) Like I get they were supposed to be minimal effort. And I have no issue with most of them. Lucina, Chrom, and Dark Pit are fine. Ken is pretty much perfect. But would it had kill them to give Daisy, Richter, and Dark Samus at least one single difference? Like nothing crazy. Like literally a single minute change in two moves just like Dark Pit. Daisy and Dark Samus are even more confusing when Custom Moves were a thing on the previous game so they already had animations and data they could reuse.
Never heard of HDR in my life, but as a dark pit main, those buffs make him absolutely cracked lmao. The slow aerials and hitboxless recovery are his biggest weaknesses by a landslide, and they changed that AND gave him arrow cancel? And SHINE? What are these devs on he’s probably an s tier now lmao.
Man, if only Switch emulation was more stable and easier to setup than Wii, I'd love to take HDR for a spin. Also, thanks to your P+ Zelda video, I seem to have found a new main, cheers mate
It's stable now, I have Ult on my laptop. Only downside is that some shaders don't save for some reason (first Link downb per session is a big example but there aren't actually many instances of this).
I feel like Lucina needs more incorporation. Intelligent Systems gave her a lance and a bow, which I feel would give her more identity and appeal as special attacks. But other than that, she’s good.
Thank you for selling me a version of Smash Ultimate I can actually enjoy! I was pretty disappointed with Ultimate's mechanical decisions in the end, and this looks to be the brisker, newer experience I was looking for.
People like to say "oh its a waste of a slot", no its not like you'd be getting a different character, it's either dark Pit or no dark pit, they only have so much development time, and echoes fill out the roster while they're on a schedule
If you're an hdr fan, I have another smash "project" (it only requires vanilla, but uses stages and spirits to create an entirely different experience) called cactus melee. Totally worth checking out. It's more for fun than an entirely serious revamp, but the creator does consider it a better game than reg, so do w/ that what you will.
That is the entire point wow. They added them because it was easy to do not because they were trying to trick you into thinking they would be actual characters. And then people acting like they could do better when the only reason the characters were added in the first place is because they had that little extra time to do so.
@@kayden2119 Well, people can do better. A lot of fans have more time and dedication (or obsessiveness) to do stuff with the game than the employed developers, since it isn't a job to them. Most of them can't because they don't have the necessary computer skills, but some people can, as evidenced by this mod
No they do not do better. They take what was already done and then add on to it. Lets see them do it from scratch. If the smash bros team could just take a pre existing game and make a few tweaks then of course they would do better.@@k-leb4671
I Know A Really Cool Idea For Young Link, For Young Link, Instead Of The Tri Force Slash Being His Final Smash, His Final Smash He Uses The Fierce Deity Mask And Slashes Multiple Times At His Opponent Then Finishes Off With A Slash At The Opponent's Head, If The Opponent Is At Over 100% They'll Automatically Die.
To be fair I can see daisy doing that but not as good to peach. Daisy in Mario lore has stated she has magic related to flowers but since she's more athletic than magic based compared to peach. But that's my speculation.
I really liked playing HDR at first, but as I got more into it I disliked the fact that it tried too hard to be like project M/melee. It reverted some of ultimates fun moves and mechanics simply for the sake of doing so. The clone characters are an exception to that statement though.
It's all based on opinion. Really, I like that HDR takes some of PM/Melee's aspects and tries it out in the engine of ult but its not like they don't add new stuff to make characters more fun and interesting sonic, parying, movement changes I feel like its just trying to be more than the "PM for ultimate" but thats my perspective
People say they're a waste of a slot, but they seem to forget that they're an easy slot to fill/make on the fly. EDIT: so they're just making the clones objectively better. Interesting.
Every change looks perfect, looks like they succeeded in making a much better game than Ultimate (Ultimate's great but obviously "improving everything" makes it better) They couldn't fix landing detection though? It still looks like they land with their feet instead of their shins making landings still look slightly awkward since most chars squat while landing (clearly huge improvement on directional air-dodges though; I wonder how the original devs missed that)
I hope this mod doesnt have ganondorf flying instead of use his warlock punch it makes me so fcking mad they change cool moves for "mur acurrite" useless moves
HDR as a mod is pretty dogshit but i do think *some* of the changes in it are really neat. Dark samus being turned into more of a trapper character is really sick and while I dislike the direction my mains (Ryu and Ken) went, I can appreciate the effort.
I'm actually really annoyed that lucina got changed. I was hoping HDR was just changing the uselessly different clones, like dark samus. Just want a mod like that
Technically they're not considered echo fighters, probably because they were grandfathered in from earlier games. If you notice, they are not placed next to their clone character on the roster like other echo fighters. Same with Young Link I think
It's honestly really hard to find content on HDR, especially explaining character changes, so I hope you produce more of this type of content because I love HDR
Echo-Fighters was a great way to explain "these were possible because they didn't hog resources". The power of transparency...
You didnt mention pichu having a meter and basically having arsene for a time. Having a neutral b that stuns is so badass.
Give Daisy her Crystal punch and get rid of umbrella, also change turnips to carrots from Mario Land 2 and make Daisy bomber have chance to explode when hit (similar to Luigi side B)
6:24 it’s not a random chance, you can pull bombchu by holding the button as apposed to tapping it, and it has a brief cooldown before you can use it again (the cooldown ending is signified by a yellow spark effect)
HDR Daisy might be my favorite smash character of all time, she's such a sick character, being a combo heavy fast faller with some insane conversions
Wait WTF I'd heard of HDR as just the vague concept of "Ultimate getting the PM treatment" so I've never cared to look into it, but this is actually sick!
Didnt mention that toon link also has 3 jumps with the feather item being referenced for his third jump, and his recovery is vastly different using a glider instead of hero spin
He uses the glider now? That's so cool! I always wanted Toon Link to really reference the items in his games.
These are some really interesting changes to each of the clone characters and Echo Fighters, but I noticed you forgot to mention Pichu and Dr. Mario.
I did a seperate HDR video on Mario/Luigi/Doc months back, but Pichu I felt could use their own video where I talk about the Pokemon Characters.
> Ultimate S would like to know your location
Championship Edition.
The main dev of ultimate s works on hdr as well
honestly, i remember thinking in the shower how sick it would be if dark samus had a move where she plunged her hand into the ground to make a bunch of phazon tentacles pop up. it was something she could do in sm4sh as an assist trophy so to see HDR bring that move into reality is the "leo decaprio pointing" meme for me
Idk how but I legitimately forgot Daisy was in ultimate
"Dark Pit's down B works like Shine" How did I not know this?! Time to try out Dark Pit! Lol
8:52 Akuma: bruh
Ken had air fire balls in MvC2, I think in X-men vs Street Fighter, Marvel vs Street Fighter and in Marvel vs Capcom one if you use ryu's super to switch to the Ken play style.
Dark samus is fascinating I love what they did with her
I hope they give Daisy's Side B a chance to misfire like in other mods!
Omg YES! This is the type of cloning I was looking for! The Echo Fighter concept feels like an afterthought. Every clone from the same series should feel like their own character.
Well maybe because it totally was an after thought? Having so many characters is not easy thing to do at all. And you make it sound like is so easy to do when your dealing with that many characters expecting few corners being cut is being more important task to do
@@Yoshizuyuner I TOTALLY think of it as an after thought. To work on 74 characters in the initial roster and a story mode in only 2 and a half years definitely tells me that “compromises” were made instead of taking their time.
@@Yoshizuyuner Man. Plenty of clones in other games have been afterthoughts. Just look at the Tekken Tag 2 roster with 54 characters.
And even the most clones of clones in that game have more differences than half the Echo fighters. (I'm talking like 2 different moves maximum which is at least SOMETHING)
Like I get they were supposed to be minimal effort. And I have no issue with most of them. Lucina, Chrom, and Dark Pit are fine. Ken is pretty much perfect. But would it had kill them to give Daisy, Richter, and Dark Samus at least one single difference? Like nothing crazy. Like literally a single minute change in two moves just like Dark Pit.
Daisy and Dark Samus are even more confusing when Custom Moves were a thing on the previous game so they already had animations and data they could reuse.
Never heard of HDR in my life, but as a dark pit main, those buffs make him absolutely cracked lmao. The slow aerials and hitboxless recovery are his biggest weaknesses by a landslide, and they changed that AND gave him arrow cancel? And SHINE? What are these devs on he’s probably an s tier now lmao.
He's good but dude, everyone in hdr is good. That's the point
I wonder if HDR would go towards the Project M/+ route by adding a completely new character?
Devs have said that adding new ones is not in the pipeline
There's way too many people already, the roster is fine as it is
HDR - what ultimate should have been 💪
2:02 "her side special is now completely different with 3 hits now instead of 4" 😭😭😭
Man, if only Switch emulation was more stable and easier to setup than Wii, I'd love to take HDR for a spin.
Also, thanks to your P+ Zelda video, I seem to have found a new main, cheers mate
It's stable now, I have Ult on my laptop. Only downside is that some shaders don't save for some reason (first Link downb per session is a big example but there aren't actually many instances of this).
With these changes to Richter, Red Pikmin will truly fear him.
Why does no one ever give Daisy here Crystal Smash move I mean it has Smash in the name it would be perfect for Smash
Dark Samus now being able to pull a Snake sounds fun
This is really good as far as patches. Though minor I really love Lucina’s stance.
I feel like Lucina needs more incorporation. Intelligent Systems gave her a lance and a bow, which I feel would give her more identity and appeal as special attacks. But other than that, she’s good.
@@RaheemRollairFull on agree though her moveset still looks good to me.
Thank you for selling me a version of Smash Ultimate I can actually enjoy! I was pretty disappointed with Ultimate's mechanical decisions in the end, and this looks to be the brisker, newer experience I was looking for.
People like to say "oh its a waste of a slot", no its not like you'd be getting a different character, it's either dark Pit or no dark pit, they only have so much development time, and echoes fill out the roster while they're on a schedule
Plus it's not taking a slot there sharing a spot with the characters they're echoing... Plus players can toggle them....
I would rather have no dark pit just to make pit good
I honestly prefer vanilla Dark Samus. I can't see those changes being a benefit to them at all except the down smash and float.
The float is insane, that makes her automatically better than samus who is already insane in this game
How did you skip over toon link having 3 jumps and being able to move while charging up b?
Toon link also has 3 jumps, its pretty crazy along side glide tossing bombs
You said Dark Samus' super missiles were removed, but I can clearly see them in the footage.
If you're an hdr fan, I have another smash "project" (it only requires vanilla, but uses stages and spirits to create an entirely different experience) called cactus melee. Totally worth checking out. It's more for fun than an entirely serious revamp, but the creator does consider it a better game than reg, so do w/ that what you will.
Despite the new name, Ultimate made the Echo Fighters less different from other clones in the series
That is the entire point wow. They added them because it was easy to do not because they were trying to trick you into thinking they would be actual characters. And then people acting like they could do better when the only reason the characters were added in the first place is because they had that little extra time to do so.
@@kayden2119 Well, people can do better. A lot of fans have more time and dedication (or obsessiveness) to do stuff with the game than the employed developers, since it isn't a job to them. Most of them can't because they don't have the necessary computer skills, but some people can, as evidenced by this mod
No they do not do better. They take what was already done and then add on to it. Lets see them do it from scratch. If the smash bros team could just take a pre existing game and make a few tweaks then of course they would do better.@@k-leb4671
thanks for hdr vids, they are fun af. ur editing isnt asumsaus level but id gladly take ur upload speed over his slower uploads
I Know A Really Cool Idea For Young Link, For Young Link, Instead Of The Tri Force Slash Being His Final Smash, His Final Smash He Uses The Fierce Deity Mask And Slashes Multiple Times At His Opponent Then Finishes Off With A Slash At The Opponent's Head, If The Opponent Is At Over 100% They'll Automatically Die.
Love the HDR content. Used to play PM then moved to Melee and now I just play HDR and Melee with homies but HDR is the most fun next to Melee.
Title : How HDR Has Redefined Clone Characters
Video : Different characters now.
Seems about right
Does anyone know what song he uses at the beginning?
Them keeping Daisy's float when I'm sure they can easily get rid of it just makes no sense. Daisy...doesn't...float.
To be fair I can see daisy doing that but not as good to peach. Daisy in Mario lore has stated she has magic related to flowers but since she's more athletic than magic based compared to peach. But that's my speculation.
Lucina
nair is a nerf.
side b is a nerf
down b is a buff
up b is a nerf
nobody uses lucina because they overall nerfed her.
I really liked playing HDR at first, but as I got more into it I disliked the fact that it tried too hard to be like project M/melee. It reverted some of ultimates fun moves and mechanics simply for the sake of doing so. The clone characters are an exception to that statement though.
Well yeah, pretty much every competitive smash player massively prefers melees engine
It's all based on opinion. Really, I like that HDR takes some of PM/Melee's aspects and tries it out in the engine of ult but its not like they don't add new stuff to make characters more fun and interesting sonic, parying, movement changes I feel like its just trying to be more than the "PM for ultimate" but thats my perspective
What’s the song in the intro?
I would love to try HDR but I have zero idea on how to set it up. There are no good tutorials in YT.
Richter should have got that ice from the anime that she would have been tight
Daisy just got an overhaul in a beta update
Lucina got Clairen's Nair.
Maybe 4 of you know what I'm talking about
Dark Samus is overall a buff in everything, with fair just being different
Finally, a counter move that actually takes skill
COVER ULT S!!! IT CHANGES ECHO FIGHTERS SO MUCH!!
Too bad the Original Ultimate is a bit lackluster on those fighters.
You’ll be ok
People say they're a waste of a slot, but they seem to forget that they're an easy slot to fill/make on the fly.
EDIT: so they're just making the clones objectively better. Interesting.
Please make more HDR content dude I watch them all
tink zair also sends in and has a triple jump I’m pretty sure?
Richter nocturne moveset when
Every change looks perfect, looks like they succeeded in making a much better game than Ultimate (Ultimate's great but obviously "improving everything" makes it better)
They couldn't fix landing detection though? It still looks like they land with their feet instead of their shins making landings still look slightly awkward since most chars squat while landing (clearly huge improvement on directional air-dodges though; I wonder how the original devs missed that)
so basically every echo fighter became the better character lol
The original characters have been changed too!
Ultimate S? I mean they added Rayman and Toad and changed movesets very cool 👍
They made dark pit melee falco lmao
It'd be cool if you'd make a new video about Dedede in ultimate and his evolution in HDR.
You should probably start this video by mentioning what HDR is
How do you set up hdr for pc?
Can you showcase Dedede in hdr and how they did him justice
This mod is awesome. Can’t wait for Nintendo to send a cease and desist!
too bad rivals 2 will come out before I get this working
This Lucina is cool, she just needs to actually wear the mask in battle to be more cool, Dark Samus doesn’t seem based on Metroid at all though
Epic but where’s ices
Where was this Isabelle when smash came out??😢
I hope this mod doesnt have ganondorf flying instead of use his warlock punch it makes me so fcking mad they change cool moves for "mur acurrite" useless moves
Lucina and Dark Pit should've been de-cloned.
Jeanne and Hilda should've been included.
No lucas?
Ultimate is honestly so bad, glad these mods exist and also it sucks you can’t play online with these mods
You’ll be ok
Are you feeling well? Your voice sounded kind of horse at the beginning?
lmao I think I had covid briefly when I recorded this. I'm better now tho.
@@ZachHonest glad you’re good then. Hope you’re feeling well
smh didnt mention toon link getting a third jump
Messed with HDR.
I honestly prefer Ultimate.
To each their own.
HDR as a mod is pretty dogshit but i do think *some* of the changes in it are really neat. Dark samus being turned into more of a trapper character is really sick and while I dislike the direction my mains (Ryu and Ken) went, I can appreciate the effort.
I'm actually really annoyed that lucina got changed. I was hoping HDR was just changing the uselessly different clones, like dark samus. Just want a mod like that
Don't be changing Isabelle's forward air its good the way it is.
The fuck is HDR??
If history has proved anything... keep this quiet
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Why talk about Issabell without mentioning Dr. Mario or Pichu?
Technically they're not considered echo fighters, probably because they were grandfathered in from earlier games. If you notice, they are not placed next to their clone character on the roster like other echo fighters. Same with Young Link I think