Why Penn Wouldn’t Let Christopher Hitchens in His Home
Вставка
- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Penn Jillette recounts a dispute he once had with the late Christopher Hitchens over alcohol, and how he once viewed religion as the equivalent to mind-altering drugs. #glennbeck #pennjillette #christopherhitchens
I'm so relieved to hear that Hitch handled it like a gentleman.
They both did
Indeed. Brilliant though he was, he could be a real asshole at times.
In the profile of him by Ian Parker, he's pretty rude
He didn't let it drop right away though! I admire that as well.
He had no other mode than that.
He actually stayed over, and in the morning the bottle was still there and he picked it up and left :p
I've heard Penn tell the story a lot lol
Good stuff. Hitchens, classy as always. The title is misleading.
Yeah...it was an awkward 5 seconds of a man's life that's being propped up as controversy. Nothing new there.
It's more fun that it's a lie.
for an alcolic, that is pure respect.
For a man named Al with colic?? Poor al! 😢
Great story, but what on earth was Hitchens doing with a bottle of JD? ;) .
Michael I don’t think Penn knows his liquor very well. It was most likely a bottle of Johnnie Walker Black.
@@Zachd500 Indeed, Sir. "Breakfast of Champions, accept no substitutes" ;)
Pissed Bob Ross
“you mean Johnny Walker don’t you?”
“No when you know him the way I do.”
I appreciate this thread and the clarification. What a perverse notion that would be. "Here's 'Chris' with his bottle of fucking sour mash".
@Pissed Bob Ross James Walker? Johnny's brother?
No way had Jack Daniels. I guarantee it was JW Black.
I'd hope not, JW Black is the worst whiskey I've ever had in my life. It's like someone soaked a leather jacket in peat and BBQ sauce then wrung it out into a cask.
To each their own, if Hitchens offered me a glass, I'd gladly take it on the rocks and chat with him.
@@drinfernodds He was a notorious JWB drinker, "breakfast of champions" as he put it
I’m going to take a wild guess that Penn doesn’t know the difference.
No doubt. Only a teetotaler could confuse the two.
I have a strong dislike of drugs and alcohol because I'm sick of dealing with the horrific behaviours people abusing it put me through. I grew up in a house with drug and alcohol abusers and while I'm very sympathic to what their going through I simply can't live like that anymore. I probably have ptsd from all the horrific stuff I was put through because of their addictions and I'm not exaggerating when I say horrific. There were times I thought I might be murdered by one of them they were so far gone. You don't realize it until you're removed from that sort of environment that you can choose as an adult to say no even to family.
I agree. I have seen what alcohol does to people firsthand and I don’t want to be around it anymore either.
So glad to hear hitch respected your boundary while also gently, for him, testing it. I'm sure he was trying to understand why and where the boundary existed and the hug tells me he valued your friendship and company more than his delight in being sloshed
As a drinker, I was suddenly glued to my seat in absolute silence when I thought of Penn and Christopher kinda awkwardly staring each other down outside his house. Knowing Hitchens as I do I couldn't help but think, "he's going to go the contrarian route.. oh man, this can't be good between friends." But the fact that he conceded to something like leaving a bottle of booze outside which, to him, was so precious a thing to not have during a good time with friends and to respect someone else's place further shows that Hitchens was not this drunk that so many people paint him to be.
I don't know the context of this full interview, but the fact Glenn Beck is involved cannot be good. He will jump at any chance to play the victim and then give a history lesson on religion and America that has never happened and never will, but then again he willingly converted to Mormonism in order to fulfil his real idea of propensity theology (the idea that god wants certain people to be really really wealthy, no this is not a joke) and Beck is convinced his god chose him to be supremely financially wealthy.
I remember Hitchens was on a Bullshit episode, I loved that episode about religion. It helped me to have some critical reasoning on so called "untouchable" figures. I love that they resolved this feud over his personal issues in a civilized way.
I never want to be around drunken buffoons for the rest of my days, but at least once I would feel inclined to give Mr. Hitchens a pass.
Everyone seems to be giving Hitchens kudos. Why? It’s another man’s house and he just told him he doesn’t want any alcohol in it! How would that be so difficult to understand and respect?
He did respect it in the end. He played a bit of a game. It seems to me he may have been sounding him out and seeing what that view meant to him. He may also have just been drunk and stubborn. But he still respected it.
Mr. Hitchens, I assert, "is a gentleman" no doubt, for he "kept walking", after a short pause.
One thought more than the other. The one that thought less in the situation walked away
Wherein, we hear Penn speak like a teetotaling Victorian spinster about the sanctity of his temperance homestead. Hitchens may have been rakish with his spirits, but goodness, his conversations improved with libations!
I couldn’t have lost more respect for Mr. Jillette over the past 5 years.
Very odd to hold that stance while doing resident work in Vegas that operates on pumping alcohol and drugs into people and getting them to pay for shows. Maybe it's a relief to go home and not be surrounded by it. Almost feels like he's a chameleon with who he's talking to here though.
@@tkbikesnc6079 I’m probably too much of an exception maker to have these hard rules in place. Imagine being in late Victorian England and telling guests like Mark Twain or Oscar Wilde they cannot smoke in your home while they talk. It’s as culturally bizarrely as that, to say not a drop while we talk in contemporary Las Vegas.
@@ShaneyElderberry Yeah..especially with someone as important as Hitchens. If he were coming to my home, even as someone who only drinks on special occasions, I'd have the Johnny Black and Perrier ready for him and ready to hear what he has to say.
@@tkbikesnc6079 Not everybody worships men they feel themselves inferior too. In fact Hitchens probably would have hated the masturbatory talk that has become of his legacy
That would be a Larry David, Curb Your Enthusiasm thing where after being told he couldn’t bring it in, he’d ask if he could at least bring the bottle into the house to take back either him at the end of the visit and they would tell him no, and he’d cause a scene
Man it make me love Hitch more and Penn too cool !!
So he DID let Hitch into his home.
Albeit minus the bottle of Jack Daniels.
As it was a haven of temperance.
Just to clarify.
Misleading title.
So much for being a 'Libertarian'
I FIND NOTHING WRONG WITH DRUGS AND ALCOHOL BUT I GET IT...
Quite the statement. Nothing? 100,000 overdoses from heavy duty drugs is a nothing burger? Half of all murders committed under the influence is nothing?
No you don't.
@@gabrielleangelica1977, ACTUALLY I DO… YOU JUST DON’T GET MODERATION AND THAT’S YOUR PROBLEM YOU GOTTA WORK ON… 👍
@@GDF1269 Excuse me, but do you know me? No. I counselled people like you on my job. There's a lot wrong with drugs and alcohol. You know nothing.
@@gabrielleangelica1977, I DON’T GIVE A FUCK…
YOUR LACK OF DISCIPLINE IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM…
GO PHUCK YOURSELF…
🖕🤣🖕
I know exactly what Jillette's talking about. One of the reasons I despised high school. The way everybody obsessed about "partying", pot and alcohol and the idiotic boasting: "Man! I was sooooooo wasted at that party last night!!! yuck, yuck, yuck!!" God, if I had a flame thrower..........
Reply
I thought Hitchens drank Johnny Walker-----not Jack Daniels?
Penn has never drunk alcohol. My guess is he simply didn't recognize the difference.
The story is clearly fake
@@markymarkali Scams and fake news are rampant nowadays since honesty is no longer a virtue..
@@markymarkaliWhy would it be? They clearly knew each other and we all know both's stance on alcohole. Why fake a story like that? For what purpose?
Also I have heard Penn recount this story more than once.
Terrible Title for the Video. I, too, feel the same way as PJ, but not as strong to not allow alcohol in my house. However, I understand his thinking regarding this clumping of drugs, alcohol, and religion together even they are different issues.
JD instead of JB? Sus
He said for like five minutes yo
stayed
He’s chatting with Glenn Beck. No reason to take any of this seriously.
?
@@richardsantanna5398 Hitchens drank Johnny Walker Black, not Jack Daniels. Further, he was raised as the son of a RN officer and would not have offended someone by entering their home with something that wasn't welcome. This is a "Just So" story, much like Trump's "Sir" stories.
@@dinoperedetout7464
Penn could've easily made a mistake since he doesn't drink. And Hitchens obviously didn't know alcohol wasn't allowed according to the story.
I’m screen grabbing your comment to explain to my kid what a “confirmation/selection bias” is.
@@jimmy2k4o Every time I measure confirmation bias, it turns out to be exactly what I expected it to be.
Nevermind the clickbait title of this video,
I totally disagree with this Penn guy.
A much preferred course of events would have been to let Hitch in with the bottle and break the 'sacred' rule of the house.
Then Penn would have had a lovely story to tell, "We've never let any liquor into our house, we only allowed it once, for Hitch".
Don't like Penn anyways,,,,but to refuse CH entry because he brought a bottle is crazy!
No idea Hitchens was a heavy drinker. Sort of taints his arguments. Couldn't handle life without alcohol?
Title lied like a democrat!!!
You just couldn't stop yourself could you. Your comment is asinine.
@@DynamicUnoTea maybe l watched it wrong. Hitch left liquor on the stoop & went in, or am l clearly mistaken?
Hitchens was rude.
Hitchens was a gentleman.
Nonsense. He just knew when to behave and to whom one ought to show respect. "Civility is overrated"
Title should be:
"Penn hams up a five second, slightly awkward encounter to be overly dramatic during a podcast"
Then the title directly contradicts the actual outcome of said encounter.
That guy goes on and on and on and on...Too bad he wasn't the mute in their act.
People shouldn't tell stories, they are dumb.
I'm glad to hear that Mr Christopher Hitchens handled it like a true man. Wish he was here
Any person with an ounce of respect for the person they are visiting, including a raging alcoholic like Hitchens, would leave the bottle outside if their host requested it. Praising a guy for doing what anyone would do is ridiculous
@@rstoneburn hate the game not the player son
A man’s home is his castle.
His personal North Korea...
Hitch clearly respected that.
Thanks buddy, I needed a laugh today lol
@@hardunkichud98 thanks especially since I wasn’t trying to be funny.
Just didn’t like using someone else’s phrase “a man’s home is his castle” so I threw in one of my own.
A lesson given to me by Christopher Hitchens. “Saying “no mean achievement” Your using someone else words, it’s a sign of literary or intellectual death” I think during press for his “letters to a young contrarian” book.
Shame he apportion that same respect to the territorial integrity of Iraq.
@@thebeatcreeper what a bullshit “whataboutary” Iraq was invading and attacking its neighbours, using WMDs on civilians, harboring terrorists and committing unspeakable human rights abuses.
To compare invading them as if we’re invading Norway shows you know nothing about anything.
@@jimmy2k4o The invasion was illegal, the reasons given for it were made up.
This is one of the scariest videos! I was terrified that Hitch was going to be an asshole about it, which would have really hurt me. Good on you, Penn for standing up to one of your heroes. That must have been hard.
I mean he kind of was. He was testing boundaries and even challenged him to be stopped from going inside. Glad it worked out okay but his behavior wasn’t respectful until after he realized he perhaps would be physically stopped.
Hitch was an asshole
Ha ha, Hitching smuggled some JD into the house in hid belly anyway
That's a beautiful story!
Misleading title, that. To clarify, Penn said "I don't know', when asked if he would.
That is how a man is supposed to act. There is no smoking in this house.. okay... well when I want to smoke is it okay that I go outside and smoke?.. I'll go stand by the road and smoke if that's preferred.. this is all about respect.. I don't get s***-faced drunk in a house that doesn't have drinking in it.. because it's not my house. This is called mutual respect. If you prefer that I do not drink inside of your house.. I will not drink inside of your house.
I don't think hitch would have done that for just anybody.
Part of what was so great about Mr. Hitchens was not only was he right about Mr. Jillette's 'religion', as he'd made arbitrary rules based on personal beliefs to enforce on other people within his 'sacred' space, and the fact he had the courage to call it out for what it was, but when confronted with that behavior from his friend and seeing his friend struggle with his own belief, Mr. Hitchen's the ardent atheist showed the grace to respect the belief and forego his addiction temporarily.
Fact
lol. What a stupid comment.
Exactly. Having listened Hitchens a lot, I'm certain that's what he meant when he called it a "religion". I'm happy someone else noticed it too.
I understand his point. But to the extent you blast it as truth is laughable. It's ok to challenge to a point. But to push an issue such as this is arrogant.
Hmm, except it wasn't a belief from Penn. He had seen and experienced the affects that drugs and alcohol had on people, so it was his decision to ban those things from his own property. Yes, one could say anecdotal but we are all fully aware of what affect drugs and alcohol have on people.
Despite all of this, Hitch actually respected Penn's request and left his religion (the bottle) at the door. It's his own home, we all have rules that we ask of people when they come and visit to our homes, so the fact was that Hitch really did the decent thing as friends do.
And I would have asked, 'Did you bring a bottle for me'? Hitch .
Not surprised given the source that the title is deceptive. tl:dr: Penn wouldn let Hitchens bring a bottle of booze in house, Hitchens left it outside.
I think you’ll find it was Johnnie Walker Black 😊
Breakfast of champions ;)
Not much different from “No Smoking Please” signs. What a cool story, though.
To paraphrase:
A guy came over with liquor and I said, "wait, no liquor", so he put it down.
why who?? Penn, from Penn and Teller?? .. bro, who cares. you're not in the same league.
West Point….
I thought my Diet Coke addiction was bad.
Hitchens is a legendary drinker, up there with the likes of Andre the Giant, William Faulkner, Wade Boggs, and Lemmy Kilmister. His Living Proof article is like The Alchemist for alcoholics
The title is clickbait... Penn allowed Hitchens into his house.
This is pretty silly
Penn loves to hear himself talk. I don’t believe half the shit he says.
Who stuck a hot iron rod up your ass?
I’m not missing the point. But Hitchens and Jack would be the greatest social call I could ever hope for😝.
Your house, your rules.
the room decor looks like a DTs trip
Why did you name the video the way you did when that's not remotely what happened? Downvoted for the title.
A story of two gentlemen.
The irony that Hitchens called sobriety a religion.
Was that his house with the sex dungeon?
I’m so happy to hear that there were no drugs or alcohol in clown college.
Oh yeah- what was the name of Penn & Teller’s Showtime show again?
Humbug.
CH was right - having a sort of “sacred space” where no alcohol can cross the threshold without causing sacrilege, is very analogous to a religion.
Hey, it's his own house. If he doesn't want booze in his own house, that's that.
Many irreligious people have something that’s sacred to them. What’s that to you, for you to judge? Having to pronounce a verdict on what a person deems sacred and if it is justified is exactly the sort of toxic religious behaviour you have a problem with. Moreover it’d be far more
disturbing if Hitchens’ “devotion” to alcohol was such that he couldn’t part with it for an evening. Glad to hear that wasn’t the case. Mutual respect, not judgement.
Looks like they're drinking coffee there. People have different ideas about what's an acceptable drug.
Point taken, yet let's be realistic. There are levels to substances.
Indeed there are which is why banning 'drugs' means everything from asprin to Heroin. It's a ridiculous rule. People need to be a bit more discerning.@@lawrencefrost9063
Yea definitely different. Coffee wakes you up and makes you more alert to drive better, alcohol drives you into families of 4. Don't know why they'd ever be compared.
Nobody is fired from work from coming in hammered on caffeine. You're playing with some extreme equivocation there.
Penn is a little ridiculous. It is illogical to say a thing can never take place even once if it wont harm you. It is on the same level as people cleansing their home with incense to rid the house of spirits. There is no literal damage occurring. Meanwhile he did a bull shit episode saying second hand smoke is okay and we shouldnt be legislating people from being able to smoke in restaurants next to children. Love the guy but I think he is a little narcissistic.
I can't believe Adrianna slept with him
@Johnny Casteel You're an idiot.
He stood by his principles. I respect that.
It's a matter of principles. If you don't have them and respect your own principles, then what the fuck are you doing? Now, if you can't see that, I feel sorry for you
It's his house. If he doesn't want booze in his own house, his visitors can either respect that or not visit.
Who is this Penn?
he sell razors
Sounds like a miserable life.
Hitchens had a god; it's called alcohol.
NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH DRUGS OR ALCOHOL... IF YOU CAN'T MODERATE YOURSELF THEN THAT'S A YOU PROBLEM... 🤣
@@GDF1269 Addictions do not understand moderation. Hitchens was an alcoholic. Grow up!
WHAT A STUPID STORY
I'm glad to hear Penn gradually relaxed about that. I can understand someone not wanting wild parties going on in his house, but it sounds like it had reached phobia level for him. 'Straight-edgers' and people in general who judge others by their substance use are utter Bullshit!
Their house, their rules.
@@TheMargarita1948 Okay, then it's a stupid rule to impose on your adult friends.
@@billscannell93 You sound like a truly gracious human being. And certainly not an addict.
@@TheMargarita1948 Hey, you're the one who branded yourself "The Margarita." Haha If I something is stupid, I'm not going to hesitate to say so. I couldn't care less what that makes strangers on the internet think of my "graciousness."
@@billscannell93 I am sure you never need to tell anyone that.
If somebody was to insult something that came out of careful examination as a "religion", I'd probably not want to hang out with them for that reason...
Why invite Hitch round then not let him have a drink?
@@marythomas1198 yes really. It’s not good hospitality and it’s pious and Puritan. Don’t impose your own issues onto others.
Pretty wimpy if you ask me…. No drugs or alcohol? Woah Fun! There’s so much wrong with this story it’s making my head spin
"Are you going to stop me from gong into your house?" Can't imagine Chris was that uncivilized! The description sounded like Chris behaved like a thug demanding this and that....
i'm somehow thinking that Hitch was merely testing his resolve in his own humorous way.
@@kantraxoikol6914 If true and this gettogether is a private event between two men, then why go tell?
Trust me, a few drinks in with a bottle of jack, you can be a complete gentleman before hand but become a prick after those few shots. It happens. It happens. The brown bottle is a cruel mistress.
He may have already started drinking.
I'm pretty sure he was just genuinely curious just like Penn genuinely didn't know how he'd respond.
This is my new favorite story.