I can’t believe that the CD played with all that honey still on it. He only wiped a bit of it off and I’m sure it would have found it’s way to the laser and caused issues. I’ve had CDs that have jumped about with only some light fluff or dust on them.
Yeah, I was thinking this demo might have been faked. Mildly damaged discs could still create playback problems with CDs. Although they're not as fragile as vinyl records.
@@BigBillKelly-x2z Agreed. The laser would not have been able to reliably get to the data on the disc. I think this was just a gimmicky but false way of just saying CDs are more hardy than vinyl. I'm sure the sound must have been overdubbed afterwards.
I laughed when "Blue Eyes" came on, as when Liza Tarbuck chose CDs to go into Room 101, Paul Merton repeated the test by smearing tar and even snapping the disc, and what should come out of the speaker? "Blue Eyes"! That's a very niche reference!
OMG I literally watched this live when I was 13 years old. “Breakfast Television” had only just been introduced in the UK. I remember hating LP records due to needing to clean them, the crackle and rumble and easiness to scratch, and owning a digital CD player was a dream. I’ll never forget watching that “honey” demo while standing in the kitchen eating breakfast….
3:45 I did that back in 1987 when I was 15 and *NEVER* looked back. My first Compact Discs that I bought back then, and have, still sound amazing and have never been touched by a finger. I always have handled my discs by the edge.
Personally I think there will always be a major thriving community for the major media types, records, cassettes, and CDs even as we continue to a more and more digital world. I think it comes down to popularity and preferences on what you want to listen to. A lot folks like records and cassettes for nostalgia or collect them as a hobby. CDs are easily playable in modern DVD/blue ray players and now most households have gaming consoles that work as those. Personally myself, I use cassettes in my 95 Camry, it’s an awesome experience. But I’m not going to ever buy CDs ever due to the fact that I can stream music from Spotify for little to nothing.
It has and it hasn't. The form factor of the record has outlived the CD, but the digital encoding on the CD has beaten out the record. Nowadays, when you buy a record chances are you get a thumb drive with the digital recording or a download code. Whether it's streaming, downloading, etc. Digital playback won overall. The CD was just the medium that introduced the world to it at a time when vinyl still reigned supreme.
@callmemike__1 I prefer a hard copy. Streaming services are prone to "cancel culture". Already there are TV shows that are inaccessible because they have been deemed "problematic for a modern audience." And Dr Who's very first episode has been withheld because of a copyright dispute. The music business is full of such disputes when bands split up or some disgruntled buffoon decides they can make some money by claiming plagiarism. The revisionists have started on music, too. Perceived isms and phobias are being bandied about already. I read an argument the other day that operas that are set in countries other than the composer's own country should be "dropped". Never performed, never streamed. That would leave us with sadly only 4 of Puccini's 12 operas, and very sadly all of Wagner's. That's a very long reply. Sorry, but this sort of cancellation and censorship really dumps on my toast.
And here's a thing: The technical specifications of CD, which we still use today with our sampling rate of 44.1kHz used on many audio files, was set by the performance of a U-matic tape based format from Sony. The PCM1600, 1610, 1630 PCM digital audio recording system was used for recording studios to deliver the digital audio data to the pressing plants, among other things. This format pushed the very limits of what video tape could do (to be honest, it pushed it a bit too far and wasn't very robust). I have several of these systems in working order and use them to run archive tapes for record companies.
Video tape can easily handle PCM audio, hell it can handle uncompressed surround sound PCM with a 4k movie file & only take up 1% of the tape. Now admittedly that's on modern 6tb tape cartridges. But even old school VHS tapes can hold 10x the data of a CD, it's just bloody slow. So they really weren't pushing the limits of what tapes can do back then, the limitations were in writing & retrieving the data with the technology of the time.
i don't think what he did would not hurt a CD at all, if you cleaned it all off. As long as you didn't scratch it. It's probably true that they are made cheaper with lower quality now though.
there is some truth to it in this case, early CDs were an aluminium layer sandwiched between plastic on both sides, but as things progressed a lot of manufacturers stopped putting the top layer on. It made them cheaper to manufacture and didn't impact ordinary playback - but meant the discs a lot less durable
I remember a radio advert where a CD was supposedly fried and still played perfectly. I can't remember what it was actually advertising now! (Clarity of sound? The radio station? Or simply just advertising the versatility of advertising?).
I buy more now than I did in the nineties. All second hand. Some charity shops do ten for a pound. I've a permanent copy of an album I like that I need only pay once for, and can make a digital copy of too.
Surely it'll make it taste (er, sound) much 'hotter' and even 'sweeter'! It'll also mean a higher state of consciousness is obtained while listening to it? LOL.🤣😆
The dream: Honey, coffee, dropping, a scratch or two and it still plays perfectly. The reality: (If it could talk) CD Player: 'What? There's a minute scratch and a fingerprint on this disc, I'm not playing this one; besides the music on this CD is rubbish!'. (Display Error code: 1038394). (LOL).
'Blue Eyes' is the sixth track off of 'Jump Up!,' none of the CD copies of that album in existence have the label/type that he puts into the player and it'd not even made the sound that those early players had made reading the disc/brief pause before playing the first track; neverminding that if it'd been programmed to play track 6 first, there'd still be that sound/delay before launching into it... But I'm certain that this is all above board and if one deliberately forgets that he'd smeared it with crap and whatnot initially, no? An abject farce of a "test" and it's of zero wonder to me that some are fooled by this ham-fisted sojourn.
I had an early cd player in my car. I had to dodge potholes... I would jump terribly. Also the cds used to get terribly scratched.... cassettes were far better in cars !
CDs were made of sturdier stuff back then. I had one which I jumped on, scratched, cut into fifty pieces and took a dump on and it still played just as badly
02:08 that was BS, a cd with that amount of honey on the surface won´t play perfectly, the honey would refract the laser everywhere causing mostly skips. If he had cleaned it better it would be believable, but i guess people at the time didn´t know better.
It was another EMI gimmick (remember the banana leaves comment from Brian Southall, in another 'BBC Archive' clip). 'The competition is having music on CD, we have our banana leaves, coffee and honey'. (To paraphrase). [Direct quote from someone who is quite clearly NOT Brian Southall, does not work for a record company and has too many banana leaves, coffee and honey].🐝🍯☕
Every single vinyl record I have will still play just fine, but I have plenty of CDs purchased in the 80s and 90s that are unplayable now due to CDs delaminating interally.
45s and 33s are now back in fashion , I well remember in the bell bottoms 70s I said to my brother normal trousers will soon return....... People in britain are treated like fools. And in 2024 it's worse
We all now know that this was the single biggest lie about a piece of technology EVER! That’s why everyone (like with vinyl) checks the amount of deep scratches and laser burns on a cd when buying second hand from charity/record shops/ebay/discogs to decide if this cd will play or not! I also accuse the BBC of being payed by Philips back in the day to pro promote this by obviously dubbing the sound of Elton John over the top of the film when the cd clearly wouldn’t play after the honey and coffee incident!!!!
"laser burns"? Is that really a thing, and what are you looking for? (Also, how badly did the player the seller was using had to be made / treated for that to happen?)
@@william-uk it’s not a thing, there’s not enough power in there to burn anything. Probably they’re thinking of the tiny black pits which can appear due to oxidisation when the lacquer seal fails (disc rot).
CDs need looking after almost as much as vinyls.The amount of time when i play a CD you get a block in sound and it doesnt play happens often enough till you have to clean it but it is easier to clean and they are more durable and guaranteed to play quality sound.
BBC Archives seems not to know about the history of their own programmes. BBC Breakfast Time was not on air in 1982, it did not start until January 1983, so they got the year wrong here.
Snobbery ! How did they define bang & Olufsen owners ! Hyper snobs. Japanese and Netherlands manufactures, Sonny and Philips of course but don’t name them , it is forbidden.
I have a few B&O products and I wouldn't call myself an audio snob. I also have a vintage Kenwood series 21 and some Sony amps and to be quite honest I prefer all of them. Each system has it's own characteristic or charm. This is what I think everyone should be looking for. Something that fits them and what they listen to. As long as you go with a reputable brand instead of a cheap and nasty Chinese no name then you can't go wrong.
All of the Idiots that dumped or sold off their entire vinyl collection to cross over to CD (Simon Bates did this). Thinking they were going to come out on the new CD's. Are now squirming and wishing they hadn't done it. Only 60% of all music is not and never will be on CD. I remember this when it was broadcast all those years ago. And I didn't believe it then. I was getting those 3" single CD's from Japan, I had to wait a further 3 years before I could play them.
And yet LPs are making a comeback. Although not manufactured on the scale they were in the 1960's, 1970's & 1980's. And lot more expensive too. But nice to be able again, to browse thru LPs in my local HMV Shop, just the same.
I’m so glad we now have streamed music..
I was always spilling the honey and coffee on my CD’s at breakfast time.
yeah but that wasn't a problem, spilling coffee on your phone is
@@dububro…Not really. Mine is waterproof. Like most good modern phones.
@@ThisRealist Won't help you if it's Starbucks coffee. That stuff is pure corrosion.
🤣🤣
I can’t believe that the CD played with all that honey still on it. He only wiped a bit of it off and I’m sure it would have found it’s way to the laser and caused issues. I’ve had CDs that have jumped about with only some light fluff or dust on them.
Typical of the lying biased BBC
Old equipment was of better quality and reliability than what you can find today. Cds are surprisingly robust formats when it comes to physical damage
Yeah, I was thinking this demo might have been faked. Mildly damaged discs could still create playback problems with CDs. Although they're not as fragile as vinyl records.
@@jamesmuffins3330 True and worth the money. You even had bombers during that were still able to return to base despite being completely shot.
@@BigBillKelly-x2z Agreed. The laser would not have been able to reliably get to the data on the disc. I think this was just a gimmicky but false way of just saying CDs are more hardy than vinyl. I'm sure the sound must have been overdubbed afterwards.
I laughed when "Blue Eyes" came on, as when Liza Tarbuck chose CDs to go into Room 101, Paul Merton repeated the test by smearing tar and even snapping the disc, and what should come out of the speaker? "Blue Eyes"! That's a very niche reference!
Classic. I love how they kept going on about snobbery.
These days listening to an old 80's LP is called snobbery lol.
These days it's snobby hipsters with vinyl.
@@michaelturner4457 They're not all like that. I'm certainly not. 😜
OMG I literally watched this live when I was 13 years old. “Breakfast Television” had only just been introduced in the UK. I remember hating LP records due to needing to clean them, the crackle and rumble and easiness to scratch, and owning a digital CD player was a dream. I’ll never forget watching that “honey” demo while standing in the kitchen eating breakfast….
I still love CD's!
3:45 I did that back in 1987 when I was 15 and *NEVER* looked back. My first Compact Discs that I bought back then, and have, still sound amazing and have never been touched by a finger. I always have handled my discs by the edge.
Too think that the record has arguably outlived the cd is odd
Personally I think there will always be a major thriving community for the major media types, records, cassettes, and CDs even as we continue to a more and more digital world.
I think it comes down to popularity and preferences on what you want to listen to. A lot folks like records and cassettes for nostalgia or collect them as a hobby. CDs are easily playable in modern DVD/blue ray players and now most households have gaming consoles that work as those.
Personally myself, I use cassettes in my 95 Camry, it’s an awesome experience. But I’m not going to ever buy CDs ever due to the fact that I can stream music from Spotify for little to nothing.
It has and it hasn't. The form factor of the record has outlived the CD, but the digital encoding on the CD has beaten out the record. Nowadays, when you buy a record chances are you get a thumb drive with the digital recording or a download code. Whether it's streaming, downloading, etc. Digital playback won overall. The CD was just the medium that introduced the world to it at a time when vinyl still reigned supreme.
It really hasn't. Discs went on to be used for any file type and we still put movies and games on them. Vinyl is just a niche thing for hobbyists.
@callmemike__1 I prefer a hard copy. Streaming services are prone to "cancel culture". Already there are TV shows that are inaccessible because they have been deemed "problematic for a modern audience." And Dr Who's very first episode has been withheld because of a copyright dispute.
The music business is full of such disputes when bands split up or some disgruntled buffoon decides they can make some money by claiming plagiarism.
The revisionists have started on music, too. Perceived isms and phobias are being bandied about already.
I read an argument the other day that operas that are set in countries other than the composer's own country should be "dropped". Never performed, never streamed. That would leave us with sadly only 4 of Puccini's 12 operas, and very sadly all of Wagner's.
That's a very long reply. Sorry, but this sort of cancellation and censorship really dumps on my toast.
And here's a thing: The technical specifications of CD, which we still use today with our sampling rate of 44.1kHz used on many audio files, was set by the performance of a U-matic tape based format from Sony. The PCM1600, 1610, 1630 PCM digital audio recording system was used for recording studios to deliver the digital audio data to the pressing plants, among other things. This format pushed the very limits of what video tape could do (to be honest, it pushed it a bit too far and wasn't very robust). I have several of these systems in working order and use them to run archive tapes for record companies.
Video tape can easily handle PCM audio, hell it can handle uncompressed surround sound PCM with a 4k movie file & only take up 1% of the tape. Now admittedly that's on modern 6tb tape cartridges.
But even old school VHS tapes can hold 10x the data of a CD, it's just bloody slow.
So they really weren't pushing the limits of what tapes can do back then, the limitations were in writing & retrieving the data with the technology of the time.
Don’t try the coffee and honey trick at home, folks?
If only CDs were that durable than shown in this clip. I guess early 80s CDs were of a higher standard than the crap we get today!
i don't think what he did would not hurt a CD at all, if you cleaned it all off. As long as you didn't scratch it. It's probably true that they are made cheaper with lower quality now though.
This is what you people say about everything
there is some truth to it in this case, early CDs were an aluminium layer sandwiched between plastic on both sides, but as things progressed a lot of manufacturers stopped putting the top layer on. It made them cheaper to manufacture and didn't impact ordinary playback - but meant the discs a lot less durable
awesome little documentary !
I have the first CD player in a boombox by Philips from 1986
Crazy things you’re doing to that CD, but I liked the music so much, I found it on UA-cam Music and put it onto some of My playlists
I remember a radio advert where a CD was supposedly fried and still played perfectly. I can't remember what it was actually advertising now! (Clarity of sound? The radio station? Or simply just advertising the versatility of advertising?).
Lol the honey that he wiped off wasn't off so it wouldn't work! A bit of lying here lol .
Sounds like something Techmoan would do.
Totally agree !!!!
'Ooh, flippin' 'eck!'.
And now we're living in an era where the CDs are ending up in the bin.
I very much still use and buy them though.
@@wisteela As do I. I think CDs are brilliant. Anybody who throws them in the bin is a moron. eBay buyers and charity shops will gladly take them
I buy more now than I did in the nineties. All second hand. Some charity shops do ten for a pound. I've a permanent copy of an album I like that I need only pay once for, and can make a digital copy of too.
@@bradjones1977 I too buy loads from charity shops.
Yes, and interesting enough more vinyl is being sold now than CD's, although most people use some other form of digital playback.
That honey will mess that no doubt 5grand player ir whatever it cost haha
Surely it'll make it taste (er, sound) much 'hotter' and even 'sweeter'! It'll also mean a higher state of consciousness is obtained while listening to it? LOL.🤣😆
No way did that play…lol
yea I find it very unlikely . but you gotta make the product look good lol
it didn’t, anyone with half a brain could tell that it’s fake.
Good luck cleaning the machine 😂
Everything is in reverse now! lol
clearly CD players were made of sterner stuff than today. One bit of dust and it's game over for the last four I've had.
The dream: Honey, coffee, dropping, a scratch or two and it still plays perfectly. The reality: (If it could talk) CD Player: 'What? There's a minute scratch and a fingerprint on this disc, I'm not playing this one; besides the music on this CD is rubbish!'. (Display Error code: 1038394). (LOL).
Petrushka by Stravinsky 🎶🎶
Has to be faked. U can't do that to a cd
'Blue Eyes' is the sixth track off of 'Jump Up!,' none of the CD copies of that album in existence have the label/type that he puts into the player and it'd not even made the sound that those early players had made reading the disc/brief pause before playing the first track; neverminding that if it'd been programmed to play track 6 first, there'd still be that sound/delay before launching into it...
But I'm certain that this is all above board and if one deliberately forgets that he'd smeared it with crap and whatnot initially, no?
An abject farce of a "test" and it's of zero wonder to me that some are fooled by this ham-fisted sojourn.
Some turntables have an elliptical stylus!
I had an early cd player in my car. I had to dodge potholes... I would jump terribly. Also the cds used to get terribly scratched.... cassettes were far better in cars !
CD players largely fixed that by the time car cd players were common, with buffering.
Yes, they could only break and spool everywhere... LOL. (This comment is meant to be sarcastic, it is not meant to be taken seriously!).
80s ppl hail the CD'S 2024 ppl Back To LP'S :)))
Wonder whatever happened to the Compact Disc?
Someone please redo this test
What instrumental is this? 1:03
Maybe a flute or a recorder?
I wonder if he ever snorted his favourite powder off a cd ?
that disc would not of played if it was on the signal side lol
And we lied about CDs getting scratches and not playing ....I remember all the lies
If the price is a major snag, maybe don't cover it with honey and insert it into a £500 machine.
Modern day equivalent is about £1500.
1:45 DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME.
500 pounds for the disc player. Wow. You would feel cheated to buy it for 5 now
Unless you manage to find an early one like that in good condition, then they can be a collectors item.
and they're worth more these days
2:10 - it's not gonna work
CDs were made of sturdier stuff back then. I had one which I jumped on, scratched, cut into fifty pieces and took a dump on and it still played just as badly
02:08 that was BS, a cd with that amount of honey on the surface won´t play perfectly, the honey would refract the laser everywhere causing mostly skips. If he had cleaned it better it would be believable, but i guess people at the time didn´t know better.
It was another EMI gimmick (remember the banana leaves comment from Brian Southall, in another 'BBC Archive' clip). 'The competition is having music on CD, we have our banana leaves, coffee and honey'. (To paraphrase). [Direct quote from someone who is quite clearly NOT Brian Southall, does not work for a record company and has too many banana leaves, coffee and honey].🐝🍯☕
Every single vinyl record I have will still play just fine, but I have plenty of CDs purchased in the 80s and 90s that are unplayable now due to CDs delaminating interally.
45s and 33s are now back in fashion , I well remember in the bell bottoms 70s I said to my brother normal trousers will soon return....... People in britain are treated like fools. And in 2024 it's worse
That analog clock is hilarious
Oh come on, that didnt work lmao
We all now know that this was the single biggest lie about a piece of technology EVER! That’s why everyone (like with vinyl) checks the amount of deep scratches and laser burns on a cd when buying second hand from charity/record shops/ebay/discogs to decide if this cd will play or not! I also accuse the BBC of being payed by Philips back in the day to pro promote this by obviously dubbing the sound of Elton John over the top of the film when the cd clearly wouldn’t play after the honey and coffee incident!!!!
"laser burns"? Is that really a thing, and what are you looking for? (Also, how badly did the player the seller was using had to be made / treated for that to happen?)
@@william-uk it’s not a thing, there’s not enough power in there to burn anything. Probably they’re thinking of the tiny black pits which can appear due to oxidisation when the lacquer seal fails (disc rot).
@ 1:32 DIGITAL PISS?
CDs need looking after almost as much as vinyls.The amount of time when i play a CD you get a block in sound and it doesnt play happens often enough till you have to clean it but it is easier to clean and they are more durable and guaranteed to play quality sound.
That shouldn't really happen unless there's a significant scratch, older CD players sometimes seem to handle scratches & dust better.
nah CDs will never be popular
BBC Archives seems not to know about the history of their own programmes. BBC Breakfast Time was not on air in 1982, it did not start until January 1983, so they got the year wrong here.
Snobbery ! How did they define bang & Olufsen owners ! Hyper snobs. Japanese and Netherlands manufactures, Sonny and Philips of course but don’t name them , it is forbidden.
I have a few B&O products and I wouldn't call myself an audio snob. I also have a vintage Kenwood series 21 and some Sony amps and to be quite honest I prefer all of them. Each system has it's own characteristic or charm. This is what I think everyone should be looking for. Something that fits them and what they listen to. As long as you go with a reputable brand instead of a cheap and nasty Chinese no name then you can't go wrong.
All of the Idiots that dumped or sold off their entire vinyl collection to cross over to CD (Simon Bates did this). Thinking they were going to come out on the new CD's. Are now squirming and wishing they hadn't done it. Only 60% of all music is not and never will be on CD. I remember this when it was broadcast all those years ago. And I didn't believe it then. I was getting those 3" single CD's from Japan, I had to wait a further 3 years before I could play them.
Im pretty sure that demo was fake
hahaha what a nonsens one deeper scratch and it's over 😂
The LP record has survived the CD, so much for improvements?
Fake video classic old school fake
And yet LPs are making a comeback. Although not manufactured on the scale they were in the 1960's, 1970's & 1980's. And lot more expensive too. But nice to be able again, to browse thru LPs in my local HMV Shop, just the same.
Welcome to the 20 plus year revolution that every old timer JUST finds out about when you meet them.