This is honestly a big reason why the new account market is so popular. Once you become a gold level player you are still likely gonna be hardstuck in silver because you spent so much time playing and improving that your lp ratio's are wack so it takes way too long to rank up naturally, so the best course is just to buy a new account and then get hardstuck in gold until you are good enough to repeat the cycle.
To be fair, Slime played a lot of Dota so skills and habits like last hitting/denying creeps, constantly checking on the map as well as instinctual knowledge like spacing, enemy kiting, and waiting for your skill cooldown is already a muscle memory for him. Lugwig on the other hand is a beginner of Moba games.
That's why I don't get the either real anger Lud has or the bait he's throwing out. It doesn't really make sense. It's like being mad a shooter for being good at a shooter.
also ludwig was instantly given a riot account (lv30 and all skin unlucked) cause of the event he participated, so he really didnt learned the game and champions as a normal player would before queing into ranked
@@gamanyme slime bought his account iirc. He got it at lvl 30. Said something like: "I bought an account so we can play ranked together" On the podcast
Yeah, dota and lol skills are fairly interchangeable, if you've got experience in one you're gonna do way better in the other than someone who's never touched mobas before.
@@jana-maribeukes8835 Its so hard that some Iron4 accounts get sold for more money than master accounts. Because for a lot of people its easier to get to master than drop to iron4 without either getting banned for obviously inting or accidentely winning because they weren't trying to loose hard enough. Its like trying to run at 1/5th of your usual speed and convincing people youre running at full speed, you can just tell.
fresh account bronze 1 isnt really a surprise. In fact, it might be on the lower side. You usually start placements one or two tiers below your last season's rank, which is why ludwig started in iron 3.
You get more LP when the system thinks you're too good for the rank. It tried to get you to the rank you belong faster. That's why it gives me 50LP for a win. The game knows I don't belong in Iron 4. I'm not coping.
@@potatoonastick2239 What about placement. Does it put you in a rank at the start? It put me in Iron 4, but it says 4 out of 5 games at the top. I lost 3 games and won 1, I didn't play too bad. I was Ace one of the losses, and the win I got an S- rating. Team flamed me that I wasn't carrying hard enough, even though every single one of them was a higher level than me. I hit lvl30 yesterday.
@@MHGFTWyour starting rank in lol is also based on your draft games (non ranked) mmr and Aram mmr (Although Aram has significantly less influence). So that is why smurfs, people and account sellers only play intro games (vs bots) until level 30 (minimum level to play ranked) as they don’t have any mmr.
@@MHGFTW realistically, if your current skill is at like... let say gold. Then you should be at least 4W-1L in placement. Anyone over plat shouldn't lose in any of the placement games unless you actually meet another smurf too
1:58 The fact that Slimes knows this and is able to say it in the moment shows he has experience with these kinds of games. Lud is just very new to moba games. Regardless, it is hilarious that Slime is one game away from Silver already and getting around 76 LP per win. I'm a firm believer that everyone should learn from someone who is one elo above them as anything too far up can make the learning process harder. Lud should play more with Slime. And imagine the content 😂
He needs to think of it more like chess, with trading pieces and being up or down material and adjusting, since that's a reference point he understands. Then its just a matter of learning what all the abilities do and talking about them with players who are better than you on how to respond to situations. Mental flexibility is the #1 indicator for league elo gain, you wanna play without ego and adapt rather than running it down mid, which might be harder for some.
It’s baffling how bad placement games can basically set you up for a lifetime of torture. Was hardstuck gold over 100 games after placing bronze until I dropped to silver, immediately made a new account and placed Plat 3 and climbed to Emerald in 3 days
To be fair, if slime plays a lot of DotA then that's reasonable. It's not that it's a harder game or anything, it's just that slime already knows what to do.
slime didnt finish his placements that was 1 game out of 5, the LP gain is always big for those placements to decide where you go especially for fresh accounts, its actually pretty hard to be placed lower than bronze unless you hard int every single game
When Lud first started playing league this go around, he had no interest in playing well. He just wanted to play his way. Although he's trying now, a low placement hurts
not really, youre just an arcane only andy. jinx being an adult is obvious. seems like you're the weird one bringing up her age in the first place. @TheMageAcademy
On a fresh account it takes your normal game mmr and performance into consideration for your ranked placements. If you have a good win loss ratio im normals you can place gold
If I remember correctly after not playing for like 5+ years, isn't the LP gained and lost per match based on where you're supposed to be? Like if you're gaining huge LP per win then it's cause the system wants to push you higher quicker to where you belong, and if you gain a very small amount of lp then you're exactly where you should be?
So I gotta ask It's been a really long time since I last played, I think it was like season 5 or 6 or something but I remember back than I originally placed in mid silver and found it really easy to get into gold. I never quite broke into plat but I had always felt like getting at least gold is something that basically anyone that was good at any video game could do effortlessly. So I ask did something in the ranks change? Is it not true anymore that if you just got kind of decent cs you'd be up multiple items on everyone in the game until at least gold? At least back than I used to think "As long as you aren't a full bot and you pick a good farming late game champion and just get like a 70~80% CS accuracy you'd easily make plat" Also I get that this comment can be taken as super toxic passive aggressive and I only have mean that so if you actually see this my general advise is just play like you're amazing, the second you start thinking passively it becomes so much harder to win, within reason of course.
Well games just kinda end faster now, so it's not as easy as playing a scaling adc and getting good cs anymore. But i think you are just underestimating your past self. For some people mobas come naturally, for others it's too big a difference and they have to stumble around like children for a while, especially if they never played games like starcraft, or Diablo.
Players are a lot better nowadays. Silver players can get pretty decent cs numbers and play pretty ok mechanically, at least compared to back then. They just have no decision making.
Players in general have gotten better and ranks were shifted slightly a season or two ago. Gold 4 is about where silver 1/2 used to be so it's actually *easier* to hit gold now than b4 (not skill wise but just player percentile)
Lud literally just needs to make a new account. League punishes older accounts hard. I made my account 12 years ago when I didn’t know how to play and placed Bronze 5 back when that was a thing. It took me several seasons to even climb to Gold 4. Well, I just made a new account last month for this split. I placed into Gold 3 and with 30lp yield minimum per game outside of promos 💀 I just hit Emerald 2 within 3 weeks. With what Lud learned so far, He just needs a new account.
@@thecroatianlad882 Cancer ahhh game not gonna lie. I've been playing for a few years and the grind is not worth it. Reached my goal of Diamond this year and never before have I felt so terrible about my ability because I realised how bad I am compared to people in Master and GM
Ludwig copes hard but has no idea that he just sucks at league. Getting kills doesnt make you good at league ludwig. Making good plays and securing objectives will always outshine kills. You need to rethink how you play league lud
first of all i did not know it was possible to start iron 3 after promos and i definently did not know you could gain 12lp per win in bronze can we check ludwigs account he might have broken some record
it's lud's fault for playing with riot partnered account. he didn't experienced lvling up his account which if I remember correctly, will affect his mmr. it will also give him the chance to encounter or try other champions.
after seeing slime on tekken with the bear, i think slime might just be an overall better gamer than lud
This is known
well lud is just not that good of a gamer
It’s not even close
@@tituskeksimusmaximus4956 say what you will but that man can play a platformer
He is. Lud just doesnt play games well. He has mashing and smash thats it
If Lud is actually getting 12lp a win he is so doomed
in BRONZE
LMFAO he is so cooked
nah, he gets 25lp
This is honestly a big reason why the new account market is so popular. Once you become a gold level player you are still likely gonna be hardstuck in silver because you spent so much time playing and improving that your lp ratio's are wack so it takes way too long to rank up naturally, so the best course is just to buy a new account and then get hardstuck in gold until you are good enough to repeat the cycle.
If he’s getting 12lp… he deserves his rank
To be fair, Slime played a lot of Dota so skills and habits like last hitting/denying creeps, constantly checking on the map as well as instinctual knowledge like spacing, enemy kiting, and waiting for your skill cooldown is already a muscle memory for him. Lugwig on the other hand is a beginner of Moba games.
That's why I don't get the either real anger Lud has or the bait he's throwing out. It doesn't really make sense. It's like being mad a shooter for being good at a shooter.
also ludwig was instantly given a riot account (lv30 and all skin unlucked) cause of the event he participated, so he really didnt learned the game and champions as a normal player would before queing into ranked
Yhea but let's be real being placed bronze 1 isn't a feat, being lower than bronze 2 on the other hand is a feat but in the bad side of things
@@gamanyme slime bought his account iirc. He got it at lvl 30.
Said something like:
"I bought an account so we can play ranked together"
On the podcast
Yeah, dota and lol skills are fairly interchangeable, if you've got experience in one you're gonna do way better in the other than someone who's never touched mobas before.
I've never seen Slime look so happy.
It's honestly more impressive to get placed in Iron.
people literally buy iron accounts cause its so hard to get there without getting banned for inting
@@jsuperhalo1Nah they don't buy iron account , they buy iron 4 account
@@cottardTVi was stuck iron 4 0LP for like a week 😂 and ur telling me its difficult to get placed there 💀
@@jana-maribeukes8835 Bro you have a talent. You should start selling accounts
@@jana-maribeukes8835 Its so hard that some Iron4 accounts get sold for more money than master accounts. Because for a lot of people its easier to get to master than drop to iron4 without either getting banned for obviously inting or accidentely winning because they weren't trying to loose hard enough. Its like trying to run at 1/5th of your usual speed and convincing people youre running at full speed, you can just tell.
Poor Ludawg going through all seven stages of grief in under 5 minutes 😭🤣
fresh account bronze 1 isnt really a surprise. In fact, it might be on the lower side. You usually start placements one or two tiers below your last season's rank, which is why ludwig started in iron 3.
Nah it's cause his account isn't hand-leveled
@@T0NI_it is hand leveled
Bro his first game in placement is bronze 1. He gets around 70 LP every game. So if he wins the other 4 games he gona end up sliver 2 or some shit lol
@@jonikalemasi3062silver 3 is in the 50th percentile so honestly it’s not too bad if you win every placement to start there.
@@jonikalemasi3062 I mean if he wins all 5 games of placements, he deserves to hit silver 2.
tbh I just want more content of Lud getting coached by league content creators, Watching league have an iron grip on Ludwig has been hilarious
An “iron” grip 😂
Ludwig looks like he is gonna cry and explode at the same time😂😂
He got 76 cause it was his placement game
Just got to the point where they realized it was his first placement 😂
He's almost guaranteed to place silver unless he loses the next 9 games
@@seancrowley83124*
@@seancrowley8312pretty sure placement is now only 5 games.
@@stupidestduck oh damn really?
You get more LP when the system thinks you're too good for the rank. It tried to get you to the rank you belong faster. That's why it gives me 50LP for a win. The game knows I don't belong in Iron 4. I'm not coping.
That is how it works. You get more ELO when you have a higher k-value, meaning a higher uncertainty. When you just start your ELO is max uncertainty.
Not the case here. Slime is just in placements which is worth a ton
@@potatoonastick2239 What about placement. Does it put you in a rank at the start? It put me in Iron 4, but it says 4 out of 5 games at the top. I lost 3 games and won 1, I didn't play too bad. I was Ace one of the losses, and the win I got an S- rating. Team flamed me that I wasn't carrying hard enough, even though every single one of them was a higher level than me. I hit lvl30 yesterday.
@@MHGFTWyour starting rank in lol is also based on your draft games (non ranked) mmr and Aram mmr (Although Aram has significantly less influence). So that is why smurfs, people and account sellers only play intro games (vs bots) until level 30 (minimum level to play ranked) as they don’t have any mmr.
@@MHGFTW realistically, if your current skill is at like... let say gold. Then you should be at least 4W-1L in placement. Anyone over plat shouldn't lose in any of the placement games unless you actually meet another smurf too
Not shown: QT freaking out in despair in Slimes chat right after this
Riot is filled with daemons, Slime did an excellent expose on them
1:53 sounds exactly like something Tyler would say
1:58 The fact that Slimes knows this and is able to say it in the moment shows he has experience with these kinds of games. Lud is just very new to moba games. Regardless, it is hilarious that Slime is one game away from Silver already and getting around 76 LP per win. I'm a firm believer that everyone should learn from someone who is one elo above them as anything too far up can make the learning process harder. Lud should play more with Slime. And imagine the content 😂
"Your peak is my placement"
Thinking he wouldn’t pick up league fast when he has thousands of hours in dota was stupid
What's missing is the Broken By Concept podcast!
He needs to think of it more like chess, with trading pieces and being up or down material and adjusting, since that's a reference point he understands. Then its just a matter of learning what all the abilities do and talking about them with players who are better than you on how to respond to situations. Mental flexibility is the #1 indicator for league elo gain, you wanna play without ego and adapt rather than running it down mid, which might be harder for some.
The first time I ever played ranked I got placed in gold, this was like 8 months ago
They clamped the tiers with 2 mmr resets this season, everyone is closer than before
i assume you play unranked
That was around the time lots of new players placed gold -plat it was not working as intended.
Is reality finally settling in for Lud? Or is he still delusional thinking he's not that bad at the game?
He thinks he can one shot medical exam 😂😂 I think he is just really really positive
this is like you get a 40 on a test and your friend gets a 41
The hidden MMR sure hits you big
He went in as a player that has some dota2 experience it is not that surprising xD
It’s baffling how bad placement games can basically set you up for a lifetime of torture. Was hardstuck gold over 100 games after placing bronze until I dropped to silver, immediately made a new account and placed Plat 3 and climbed to Emerald in 3 days
Nah. It always evens out. You just haven’t played enough
Doubt
Bald nadeshot jumpscare😂
Seeing Lud complain about LP gains... he's officially a league player now. The league phase is never ending.
To be fair, if slime plays a lot of DotA then that's reasonable. It's not that it's a harder game or anything, it's just that slime already knows what to do.
We're about to get part 2 of the "Slime infiltrating Riot HQ" but it's just ludwig this time and slime is assuring him that there's nothing wrong
next yard already has 20 minutes of great material ready to go
3:10
were going jax main on this one
The last 10 seconds scared me because I don't remember being in chat that day. Get that impasta outta here
Rank doesnt matter if your learning how to play the true game of league you will climb
slime didnt finish his placements that was 1 game out of 5, the LP gain is always big for those placements to decide where you go especially for fresh accounts, its actually pretty hard to be placed lower than bronze unless you hard int every single game
What a peak gamer looks like
he is realizing how impressive being placed in iron is lol
>Getting 12
LMAO bro is super cooked
unc stuck Ludwiglow while the real moba gamer gets placed in his peak LMAO
Its not real bronze man had silver low gold mmr. That placement is fake he is far above ludwiglow
Skill diff dayo
When Lud first started playing league this go around, he had no interest in playing well. He just wanted to play his way. Although he's trying now, a low placement hurts
Restaint and humility are real important in league. It helps you learn and grow.
Placement games always give a ton of lp, thats just the first 5 placement games nothing to do with actual lp gain
Motherfucking Ludwig getting me back into LoL just to find out if I still have what it takes (at least more than him lol)
It has been a rough month
i can imagine slime saying: skill issue lil bruh
Dubbin beating his shit to Jinx huh?
shes 17 thats wild
@TheMageAcademy At the end of arcane where you see her now in League she's like 23 or something but good try
@@TheMageAcademyshes 21 according to the realms of runeterra book you cant use arcane as reference
@@ZadkeilMercy i was joking but the fact you know her "Actual" age is creepy af son
not really, youre just an arcane only andy. jinx being an adult is obvious. seems like you're the weird one bringing up her age in the first place. @TheMageAcademy
Lud should look at his own games from his placements and he would see why they placed him there. Or just look at any of his own garen matches
Its hard to get placed much lower actually. Chances are if slime keeps playing he will drop lol
On a fresh account it takes your normal game mmr and performance into consideration for your ranked placements. If you have a good win loss ratio im normals you can place gold
This is what League does to people
If I remember correctly after not playing for like 5+ years, isn't the LP gained and lost per match based on where you're supposed to be? Like if you're gaining huge LP per win then it's cause the system wants to push you higher quicker to where you belong, and if you gain a very small amount of lp then you're exactly where you should be?
His match making rank must be decently high
Tbh if u make a fresh acc / get a fresh lvl 30, have good 10 drafts then play ranked now, ull prob place better than b4 AND have better gains
Qt must be fuming lol
The average herald player ends up gold in lol.
So I gotta ask It's been a really long time since I last played, I think it was like season 5 or 6 or something but I remember back than I originally placed in mid silver and found it really easy to get into gold. I never quite broke into plat but I had always felt like getting at least gold is something that basically anyone that was good at any video game could do effortlessly. So I ask did something in the ranks change? Is it not true anymore that if you just got kind of decent cs you'd be up multiple items on everyone in the game until at least gold? At least back than I used to think "As long as you aren't a full bot and you pick a good farming late game champion and just get like a 70~80% CS accuracy you'd easily make plat"
Also I get that this comment can be taken as super toxic passive aggressive and I only have mean that so if you actually see this my general advise is just play like you're amazing, the second you start thinking passively it becomes so much harder to win, within reason of course.
Well games just kinda end faster now, so it's not as easy as playing a scaling adc and getting good cs anymore. But i think you are just underestimating your past self. For some people mobas come naturally, for others it's too big a difference and they have to stumble around like children for a while, especially if they never played games like starcraft, or Diablo.
Players are a lot better nowadays. Silver players can get pretty decent cs numbers and play pretty ok mechanically, at least compared to back then. They just have no decision making.
Players in general have gotten better and ranks were shifted slightly a season or two ago. Gold 4 is about where silver 1/2 used to be so it's actually *easier* to hit gold now than b4 (not skill wise but just player percentile)
Ludwig is starting to tweak out over LOL and I think this just cements his journey to becoming the part of the LOL community 🤣🤣🤣
Bring Neace back to train Lud lmao.
My Goat
I think lud needs to make a fresh acc at this point😂
What's luds op gg
Lud literally just needs to make a new account. League punishes older accounts hard. I made my account 12 years ago when I didn’t know how to play and placed Bronze 5 back when that was a thing. It took me several seasons to even climb to Gold 4. Well, I just made a new account last month for this split. I placed into Gold 3 and with 30lp yield minimum per game outside of promos 💀 I just hit Emerald 2 within 3 weeks. With what Lud learned so far, He just needs a new account.
Some role are just not noob friendly
Hit plat in s3 for my elise skin and bailed lol
Why dont you play anymore?
@@thecroatianlad882 Cancer ahhh game not gonna lie. I've been playing for a few years and the grind is not worth it.
Reached my goal of Diamond this year and never before have I felt so terrible about my ability because I realised how bad I am compared to people in Master and GM
Hear me out: what if Lud just redoes placement on new accounts until he gets placed gold?
Ludwig copes hard but has no idea that he just sucks at league. Getting kills doesnt make you good at league ludwig. Making good plays and securing objectives will always outshine kills. You need to rethink how you play league lud
Jinx? Beatin it to her? 💀
Play DOTA for 1 month instead Ludwig then play LOL one game.
With how stupid he is when playing League, playing DOTA 2 will just make him worse.
yeah that really doesn't work
why is not a single person talking about deadlock? that game is so fun. I had much more fun playing that than league or dota.
BIG TIME
first of all i did not know it was possible to start iron 3 after promos and i definently did not know you could gain 12lp per win in bronze can we check ludwigs account he might have broken some record
so what was his placement?
i mean dude dota is just league with more mechanics, it's not surprising for experienced dota player to calibrate pretty good in league
jinxLUL
ah shit is this why its been so easy
Guess he has smurf MMR from his normal games
dont worry, slime will go down to probably bronze 4 and suffer there like ludwig did.
lud needs to make a new account to get fresh lp lol
Same old story everytime a dota player tries league... doesn't happen the otherway around, tho XD
When your account gets your first rank ever, it's always around bronze 1. There's no skill to it, it's just how it is.
I don't understand placements. I'm not good at the game and I was placed gold. I definitely am not a gold player
nah bro beeing b1 after 1 game , he spawns higher than me what . I was e2 and spawned silver 3 . what is that XD
Welcome to league where the ranked system is completely broken and it’s better to make a new account to reset mmr or just stop playing altogether.
Clean your desktop lud FFS.
12lp cuz he's boosted
I mean slime has thousands of hours in Dota so it's not that weird he's better than ludwig
Gaining 12 LP at that elo is criminal. Just buy a new account atp
He played dota.. Dota to leage is easy
Could Lud not make a fresh account in hopes of getting a better placement ranking than he currently is?
Even if he got lucky and placed higher as he puts in more games the system will just bring him back down.
🤣
😂
Fresh accounts aren't perma effed, while old accounts are.
That's it
it's lud's fault for playing with riot partnered account. he didn't experienced lvling up his account which if I remember correctly, will affect his mmr. it will also give him the chance to encounter or try other champions.
no normal matches actually places you higher in placementa
ludwig is the worst league player of all time LUL
lol they are such noobs they have no clue how mmr works 😂
Your placement games are just luck, league sucks
Bronze is terrible for those who don't know. Bud lud is exceptionally bad