As a non-biased observer in the state of Maryland with no attachment to either team, I do officially decree that this is now and forever, a touchdown. This was a great breakdown of the play. Kudos to Laconic913. You would be hard-pressed to watch this video and come up with an alternate conclusion. The ball clearly crosses the goal line before the runner hits.
This is very interesting. After watching it a couple of times there are two things I noticed. First after the ball carriers hip touches the first time the ball does not appear to advance but the angle of the camera continues to move to our left. Second on that initial impact where you stop frame and add you first impact text notice the ball carriers elbow is bent as well as his wrist is curled back as it would be carrying the ball.
@travis2x Don't forget about the Touchdown they gave to Tech earlier where the ref is signaling touchdown while the receiver is still bobbling it out the back of the end zone.
Second when you stop frame again to show us that the ball is in virtually the same position the wrist has straightened and the elbow has straightened to the point of almost hyper extending.
This game and the debacle in Eugene this year are two such examples. These are games when over multiple plays, commentators, and later SportsCenter anchors and print and media journalists express their disappointment at the travesty that was the officiating on that day. These games can not dampen the greatness that is Oklahoma football. There will always be squads that try really hard. And that's great. But true greatness is not fleeting. And that's Oklahoma football.
Seems that OU fans believe TH hit the ground, then flopped forward, as happens often. But in this case, he was airborne, almost parallel to the ground and extended the ball before he hit the turf, not "as" or "after." As Laconic said, "clearly, but barely" scoring. I concur.
His ass end hit the ground and he was trying to reach for the end-zone, after he was down you can see him still reaching and turning his body over (even though he was down) and continuing to stretch himself with the ball NEAR the goal-line. 1:09 when he was down. 1:10 to 1:15 hes still trying to get over the line, even though he was down.
pretty sure why some people thought it wasnt a touchdwon cdause there was a 3rd person angle bove the whole play, if you really want to show all angles, get that one, it might change your mind.
I see your point here. I admire the work you did with this video as well. However i dont think that it is clear enough to determine that the ball crossed the goaline.
If they had challenge flags back then, Bob Stoops would’ve challenged and the call would’ve been reversed with OU winning. For some odd reason the Refs back then hated OU cause they got screwed against Oregon too
@Laconic913 i don't have the game, i was out to sea in the military in 2005. but if you're such a fan, go re-watch, there is 100% conclusive proof that texas tech got aided more than a couple times on that game winning drive. the refs couldn't wait to put their hands up and signal touchdown.
After watching the breakdown it would stand up in court that the Tech RB got the nose of the ball across before his butt hit the ground. Those who deny this are willfully blind homers that besmirch the great OU tradition and drag it down to the level of aggishness.
ok. i dont think that bradford threw all over us; its kind of hard from the locker room. besides that, an all around solid effort by the red raiders. congratulations seniors!
what was that about Sam Bradford throwing all over us? Last time I checked the final tally was Texas Tech 34 OU 27 oh and by the way Graham Harrel torched OU for 420 yards in the air. Now who was throwing all over who?
There is no doubt he made it in on that play, the officials made the right call. That play never should have happened though. The 4th down catch from earlier in the game was well short of the first down. It's in the past now though so there is no point in arguing. Tech won, Oklahoma lost.
Hmmm. That's really cute. Oklahoma posts a 330-78 home record. That means 80% of all OU home games are wins. And I was speaking about your overall performance in the last few years. 65% win record from 2001 to 2005 whereas the Sooners post 83%. And a National Championship and a few Big XII titles here and there. Has texas tech even won a NC? A Big XII title? Has tech even played in a Big XII title game?
Now do me a favor and hold your arm slightly bent at the elbow and wrist curled backward. Now straighten your elbow and your wrist. Does you arm move forward? That's what I thought. After watching your breakdown I now can plainly see by the video evidence that the ball broke the plain after the runner was initially down. Thanks for clearing that up. :)
The only thing that will ever solve this debate is another camera angle that does not exist. You can't attempt to create this by throwing two angles together, especially when one is unusable. The bottom line is that tech did win this game in what has developed into a storied history of referee screwjobs. Take the victory and enjoy it. I know they don't come along all that often in Lubbock.
OU only loses games because of bad officiating. In fact, we should remove all records of games which OU lost because the refs didn't know what they were doing. Video evidence? Poppycock I tell you! OU only lost because it was a bad call. In fact, OU shut out TT that day! The only reason Tech even moved the ball was because of bad calls!
i love ou fans....they cry all day long about a call that was probably right...of course none of us will ever know....but they seem to ignore a REAL screw job in norman during the tech/ou basketball game...not to mention, its nice to see no ou players celebrating and the tech players jumping up down....wonder what they all think?...since they were right there
Wow. I thought for sure that this must have been a clear and conclusive touchdown based on all the condescending comments laced throughout the video, but I now see it was posted by a typical koolaid drinking tech fan. As an outsider to this game, I still think it was a terrible call. I just hope the official was able to retire on the lake from whatever payoff he got from Leach.
But hey, while we're at it, how about some Sooner stats: 7 National Championships (all legit) 24 Bowl Championships Most Big XII Championships Highest Win Percentage since World War II Highest Win Percentage since the AP Poll Most 11+ Win Seasons Most 10+ Win Seasons (tied with Alabama) Most Consecutive Wins (47) Boomer Sooner.
its so funny how that wasnt a touchdown and you didnt happen to show a clip of a few plays before where a texas tech player didnt even get close to making a catch and the refs called it a catch texas tech was GIVEN this game plain and simple
That was nice work & it appears that Henderson did indeed reach the ball across the goal line. Now since, you have the game on tape...Would you mind breaking down the bogus 4th down spot earlier in that same drive?
Oklahoma is 42-2 at home since 2000. That's 95%. From what you said, you guys are 15-3 at home over the last three years. 83%. We don't accept that type of mediocrity in Norman. No, 95% at home and conference titles are the norm. We play solid football, and every so often, terrible, much -worse-than-average officiating occurs when the Sooners take the field.
You should have played with your TV to make it just a little blurrier.... It does look closer than it was. But you could have done a little better. Can you say "Home Cooking"? And everybody knows it. But that's OK. It's history. Not the worst call OU ever got. And we have beaten on Tech like a drum for years since then, with that butt kicking we gave them in Norman a few years ago was the best of all!
explain the loss 2 years later in Lubbock, the ass kicking they gave you in 2009, and you lost to a 5-7 Tech team when you were in NORMAN! All of the games since this game, with the exception of 2008 and 2010 have been close games.
Nice effort, but Henderson's butt was down before he put the ball across the goal line. Your video actually shows that but you spend a lot of time pointing out people's feet and hands. ESPN was mocking the officials the night of that game and for good reason.
randysachs, when his "but" hit the ground, the ball was in the end zone. You may not like it, but your denial of the truth will not change the facts. And, just because people don't agree with you, does not mean they are "to dumb to know what happened" or that they need to "learn spme football."
This is all immaterial, however, since your entire basis for this video is intrinsically flawed to begin with. You can't just mash up two wholly inadequate video angles (one of which is totally unusable), draw some arrows, and expect to establish irrefutable evidence. This video does not speak towards the credibility of tech fans or your argument.
This OU stuff is junk. I'm pretty sure, not positive that TTU scored the TD. I'm real sure that the 4th down play was not a first down. I've seen a replay of the game, slow-mo'd, and OU fans fail to acknowledge that one of their TD's occurred when the refs missed a blatant hold. Yes, OU has a better football program than TTU (albeit, primarily with Texas players). And that matters because ...?
This is sad. You use grainy, scan-line-laden shots of a local news cast recorded with what looks a VCR recording on Hi-8 (with no tripod, of course) and then piped via USB (if the viewer is lucky) to your mom's PC. You later added some classical music in some half-baked attempt to bolster your "work"'s legitimacy. Whatever legitimacy may have existed was terminated when you decided Windows Movie Maker was the best way to put together a video of this scope.
But...again....you are not a licensed official....nor are unbiased in looking at your evidence...you are trying to defend your stance. But it doesn't make it the truth....so it is all thrown out. Bottom line, the player reached the ball across the plane of the goal line "after" being down by contact.
You can't blame the Sooners program for the "Bomargate" scandal as I like to call it, the second Coach Stoops got word of it, Bomar was gone. As for the video, its too close to call and we've moved on. Sam Bradford will throw all over you Saturday nite, see u there!!
Talk about arrogance....your video presentation is full of it. You might make it as a lawyer....trying to spin something to favor your viewpoint so that you win the verdict. But I am a football official (judge) and from what I've seen, the player did not score.....he was down, then broke the plane of the goal line. All of your attempts to show that he was in was from a distorted angle and inconclusive. But there is no arguing with a fool....you are right in your own mind.
Yes, I know what level of the sport the game is.....my bad on verbage. You're evidence is inconclusive. You are inferring that what is under someone's arm is the ball "and" that it had already crossed the goal line before the player was down. That is not a clear shot of both....you're piecing together evidence from two angles to come up with your own conclusion.
ya and not only did he not score the touchdown, the referees were practically carrying tech to the endzone on this drive. if anyone has the clip there was a pass interference that was 0% interference and i believe it was on a 3rd or 4th down aiding texas tech. texas tech knows they didnt win this game, it was handed to them on a silver platter. and thats just the honest truth.
I'm not a fan of either team. But, his hip was down. Everyone in the nation thinks Oklahoma got a bad call -- all those except Texas Tech fans. The author makes the assumption that this is some type of "important" play. Who cares... this was a National Championship (as it might be for Texas Tech considering they've never seen the inside of a NC game).
it's still a tough call. but it doesn't matter cause tech didn't convert the 4 th down play earlier in the drive. ou intercepted the ball in the air and fought for it on the way to the ground. but that still doesn't matter cause both players were behind the first down maker. that was ou ball game over. and i can honestly say that i hate texas tech more than texas. at least texas doesn't cheat. btw in 07 your refs called a good pass in the end-zone "incomplete" otherwise ou wins that game too.
I'm true TT fan. In the video you can even hear the announcers state that he was down. :( But maybe they just had bad seats or sum stuff. We need to turn the classical music up so that people can't hear them say that. It hurts are cause.
As a non-biased observer in the state of Maryland with no attachment to either team, I do officially decree that this is now and forever, a touchdown. This was a great breakdown of the play. Kudos to Laconic913. You would be hard-pressed to watch this video and come up with an alternate conclusion. The ball clearly crosses the goal line before the runner hits.
I never would've imagined that football and Mozart's 25th symphony would mesh so well.
This is very interesting. After watching it a couple of times there are two things I noticed. First after the ball carriers hip touches the first time the ball does not appear to advance but the angle of the camera continues to move to our left. Second on that initial impact where you stop frame and add you first impact text notice the ball carriers elbow is bent as well as his wrist is curled back as it would be carrying the ball.
@travis2x Don't forget about the Touchdown they gave to Tech earlier where the ref is signaling touchdown while the receiver is still bobbling it out the back of the end zone.
I saw this video like 9 yrs ago.
Not a TD.
Second when you stop frame again to show us that the ball is in virtually the same position the wrist has straightened and the elbow has straightened to the point of almost hyper extending.
I'm still not convinced he scored.
This game and the debacle in Eugene this year are two such examples. These are games when over multiple plays, commentators, and later SportsCenter anchors and print and media journalists express their disappointment at the travesty that was the officiating on that day.
These games can not dampen the greatness that is Oklahoma football. There will always be squads that try really hard. And that's great. But true greatness is not fleeting. And that's Oklahoma football.
Seems that OU fans believe TH hit the ground, then flopped forward, as happens often. But in this case, he was airborne, almost parallel to the ground and extended the ball before he hit the turf, not "as" or "after." As Laconic said, "clearly, but barely" scoring. I concur.
yes the ball broke the plain.
Not before his knee was down. He didn’t gain a yard
His ass end hit the ground and he was trying to reach for the end-zone, after he was down you can see him still reaching and turning his body over (even though he was down) and continuing to stretch himself with the ball NEAR the goal-line. 1:09 when he was down. 1:10 to 1:15 hes still trying to get over the line, even though he was down.
Except that the tip of the ball broke the plane at 1:09-- it makes no difference what he did from 1:10 to 1:15. You know that, right?
pretty sure why some people thought it wasnt a touchdwon cdause there was a 3rd person angle bove the whole play, if you really want to show all angles, get that one, it might change your mind.
I see your point here. I admire the work you did with this video as well. However i dont think that it is clear enough to determine that the ball crossed the goaline.
If they had challenge flags back then, Bob Stoops would’ve challenged and the call would’ve been reversed with OU winning. For some odd reason the Refs back then hated OU cause they got screwed against Oregon too
see they dont show the highlight wen tech went for it on 4 down earlier that drive and did not get it .......
@Laconic913
i don't have the game, i was out to sea in the military in 2005. but if you're such a fan, go re-watch, there is 100% conclusive proof that texas tech got aided more than a couple times on that game winning drive. the refs couldn't wait to put their hands up and signal touchdown.
Yes, this was a very close call. Nice use of Mozart's 25th Symphony...and, no, I'm not gay.
After watching the breakdown it would stand up in court that the Tech RB got the nose of the ball across before his butt hit the ground. Those who deny this are willfully blind homers that besmirch the great OU tradition and drag it down to the level of aggishness.
...wasn't a national championship game...
ok. i dont think that bradford threw all over us; its kind of hard from the locker room. besides that, an all around solid effort by the red raiders. congratulations seniors!
Tech won...barely...but i can understand OU being upset. I too, would have been upset if we had lost in a similar fashion.
It appears you are an OU English major.
what was that about Sam Bradford throwing all over us? Last time I checked the final tally was Texas Tech 34 OU 27 oh and by the way Graham Harrel torched OU for 420 yards in the air. Now who was throwing all over who?
There is no doubt he made it in on that play, the officials made the right call. That play never should have happened though. The 4th down catch from earlier in the game was well short of the first down. It's in the past now though so there is no point in arguing. Tech won, Oklahoma lost.
Hmmm. That's really cute. Oklahoma posts a 330-78 home record. That means 80% of all OU home games are wins.
And I was speaking about your overall performance in the last few years. 65% win record from 2001 to 2005 whereas the Sooners post 83%. And a National Championship and a few Big XII titles here and there. Has texas tech even won a NC? A Big XII title? Has tech even played in a Big XII title game?
Now do me a favor and hold your arm slightly bent at the elbow and wrist curled backward. Now straighten your elbow and your wrist. Does you arm move forward? That's what I thought. After watching your breakdown I now can plainly see by the video evidence that the ball broke the plain after the runner was initially down. Thanks for clearing that up. :)
The only thing that will ever solve this debate is another camera angle that does not exist. You can't attempt to create this by throwing two angles together, especially when one is unusable.
The bottom line is that tech did win this game in what has developed into a storied history of referee screwjobs. Take the victory and enjoy it. I know they don't come along all that often in Lubbock.
OU only loses games because of bad officiating. In fact, we should remove all records of games which OU lost because the refs didn't know what they were doing. Video evidence? Poppycock I tell you! OU only lost because it was a bad call. In fact, OU shut out TT that day! The only reason Tech even moved the ball was because of bad calls!
i love ou fans....they cry all day long about a call that was probably right...of course none of us will ever know....but they seem to ignore a REAL screw job in norman during the tech/ou basketball game...not to mention, its nice to see no ou players celebrating and the tech players jumping up down....wonder what they all think?...since they were right there
Still not a touchdown!!
Wow. I thought for sure that this must have been a clear and conclusive touchdown based on all the condescending comments laced throughout the video, but I now see it was posted by a typical koolaid drinking tech fan. As an outsider to this game, I still think it was a terrible call. I just hope the official was able to retire on the lake from whatever payoff he got from Leach.
But hey, while we're at it, how about some Sooner stats:
7 National Championships (all legit)
24 Bowl Championships
Most Big XII Championships
Highest Win Percentage since World War II
Highest Win Percentage since the AP Poll
Most 11+ Win Seasons
Most 10+ Win Seasons (tied with Alabama)
Most Consecutive Wins (47)
Boomer Sooner.
its so funny how that wasnt a touchdown
and you didnt happen to show a clip of a few plays before where a texas tech player didnt even get close to making a catch and the refs called it a catch
texas tech was GIVEN this game plain and simple
That was nice work & it appears that Henderson did indeed reach the ball across the goal line.
Now since, you have the game on tape...Would you mind breaking down the bogus 4th down spot earlier in that same drive?
Oklahoma is 42-2 at home since 2000. That's 95%. From what you said, you guys are 15-3 at home over the last three years. 83%. We don't accept that type of mediocrity in Norman.
No, 95% at home and conference titles are the norm. We play solid football, and every so often, terrible, much -worse-than-average officiating occurs when the Sooners take the field.
OU was screwed by the Ref Raiders
Don't do drugs. His thigh hits the ground after his butt.
You should have played with your TV to make it just a little blurrier.... It does look closer than it was. But you could have done a little better. Can you say "Home Cooking"? And everybody knows it. But that's OK. It's history. Not the worst call OU ever got. And we have beaten on Tech like a drum for years since then, with that butt kicking we gave them in Norman a few years ago was the best of all!
explain the loss 2 years later in Lubbock, the ass kicking they gave you in 2009, and you lost to a 5-7 Tech team when you were in NORMAN! All of the games since this game, with the exception of 2008 and 2010 have been close games.
Nice effort, but Henderson's butt was down before he put the ball across the goal line. Your video actually shows that but you spend a lot of time pointing out people's feet and hands. ESPN was mocking the officials the night of that game and for good reason.
randysachs, when his "but" hit the ground, the ball was in the end zone. You may not like it, but your denial of the truth will not change the facts. And, just because people don't agree with you, does not mean they are "to dumb to know what happened" or that they need to "learn spme football."
This is all immaterial, however, since your entire basis for this video is intrinsically flawed to begin with. You can't just mash up two wholly inadequate video angles (one of which is totally unusable), draw some arrows, and expect to establish irrefutable evidence. This video does not speak towards the credibility of tech fans or your argument.
This OU stuff is junk. I'm pretty sure, not positive that TTU scored the TD. I'm real sure that the 4th down play was not a first down. I've seen a replay of the game, slow-mo'd, and OU fans fail to acknowledge that one of their TD's occurred when the refs missed a blatant hold. Yes, OU has a better football program than TTU (albeit, primarily with Texas players). And that matters because ...?
This is sad.
You use grainy, scan-line-laden shots of a local news cast recorded with what looks a VCR recording on Hi-8 (with no tripod, of course) and then piped via USB (if the viewer is lucky) to your mom's PC. You later added some classical music in some half-baked attempt to bolster your "work"'s legitimacy. Whatever legitimacy may have existed was terminated when you decided Windows Movie Maker was the best way to put together a video of this scope.
But...again....you are not a licensed official....nor are unbiased in looking at your evidence...you are trying to defend your stance. But it doesn't make it the truth....so it is all thrown out. Bottom line, the player reached the ball across the plane of the goal line "after" being down by contact.
Hmm, yea, no touchdown, tech sucks
You can't blame the Sooners program for the "Bomargate" scandal as I like to call it, the second Coach Stoops got word of it, Bomar was gone. As for the video, its too close to call and we've moved on. Sam Bradford will throw all over you Saturday nite, see u there!!
Talk about arrogance....your video presentation is full of it. You might make it as a lawyer....trying to spin something to favor your viewpoint so that you win the verdict. But I am a football official (judge) and from what I've seen, the player did not score.....he was down, then broke the plane of the goal line. All of your attempts to show that he was in was from a distorted angle and inconclusive.
But there is no arguing with a fool....you are right in your own mind.
Yes, I know what level of the sport the game is.....my bad on verbage. You're evidence is inconclusive. You are inferring that what is under someone's arm is the ball "and" that it had already crossed the goal line before the player was down. That is not a clear shot of both....you're piecing together evidence from two angles to come up with your own conclusion.
Even if ya'll had won it would have been forfeit because of your cheating ways. Wreck Em
ya and not only did he not score the touchdown, the referees were practically carrying tech to the endzone on this drive. if anyone has the clip there was a pass interference that was 0% interference and i believe it was on a 3rd or 4th down aiding texas tech.
texas tech knows they didnt win this game, it was handed to them on a silver platter. and thats just the honest truth.
I'm not a fan of either team. But, his hip was down. Everyone in the nation thinks Oklahoma got a bad call -- all those except Texas Tech fans. The author makes the assumption that this is some type of "important" play. Who cares... this was a National Championship (as it might be for Texas Tech considering they've never seen the inside of a NC game).
it's still a tough call. but it doesn't matter cause tech didn't convert the 4 th down play earlier in the drive. ou intercepted the ball in the air and fought for it on the way to the ground. but that still doesn't matter cause both players were behind the first down maker. that was ou ball game over. and i can honestly say that i hate texas tech more than texas. at least texas doesn't cheat. btw in 07 your refs called a good pass in the end-zone "incomplete" otherwise ou wins that game too.
This is clear evidence he didnt make it in. Hip down clearly before the ball is fully extended.
I'm true TT fan. In the video you can even hear the announcers state that he was down. :( But maybe they just had bad seats or sum stuff. We need to turn the classical music up so that people can't hear them say that. It hurts are cause.
dude he was down and you know it
tech cant hold OU and we saw it last night
boomer sooner 4 life
Texas didn't win the Big 12 South. :-)
Texas didn't win the big 12 South. Sorry : - )
Not a TD.
Not a TD