Japan: Makes brilliant High speed trains while the UK is still using steam traction. Great Britain: Can we have? Japan: Sure thing! Also Japan: Gives the UK a cucumber.
"Trains of short lengths are only a problem when you have to go on one" shows a Birmingham to Nottingham service, too true, I'm from Nottingham and it is a problem
@@srgntsylveon2919 I live in Nottingham as well, and I have been all the way to Birmingham on a 2 car 170. Let alone a Nottingham to Cardiff service that has two coaches. I recommend not travelling on any cross country service from Nottingham
Here in Germany we use the Second class seats on Regional Trains. The BR 1440 and 442 operrated by HLB, S-Bahn Rhein Ruhr, MRB, Abellio and DB Regio Süd Ost. Its weird to see that GWR is using seats for regional Services on Long Distance services. I am soo happy we have the ICE wich has a better seats than the IET
I love how this series went from 'these trains are ok when not on silly routes' to 'anyone who likes these is clinically insane' in the span of 1 episode
In January I went to London with my dad for my 13th birthday on LNER. The trip down there was great, but on the way back we found out the seats we reserved didn't have a window which left a sour taste in my mouth.
Everyone was so hyped for this train and it turned out to be a dissapointment. Hitachi should definitely be ashamed of themselves. I honestly don't know why they just released more javelins from South Eastern because the doors are way bigger so it is more accessible. Up there with the pacer of one of the worst trains ever to enter the UK.
Well luckily I don’t ride the ‘Cucumber’ much because instead I live off riding 458s on SWR. Speaking of which I’d love to see your thoughts on a 458/5 because I dislike them (except their motor).
If railways cared about passenger comfort they would just refurbish HSTs - replace worn out parts and improve some things, so they could run for like 20 more years until they found a worthy replacement for them. It would be even cheaper than buying anime trains and sending HSTs for scrap or cargo operations
The seats with no windows are basically a seat if you need to catch up on some work or ur drunk and u want to sleep basically it's a little personal space for rest or work without having the view distracting you that is the de-facto purpose of it
The IETs are just nasty trains. I think it's absolutely disgusting how they replaced comfortable trains with a buffet car with these horrible uncomfortable trains with a dreaded trolley service, like what even is the fucking point in having comfortable trains in the first place if they're just going to get replaced with these horrible trains. GWR deserve to get stripped from their franchise for this so someone who actually cares about customer experience can run the franchise instead.
Great video! Definitely got some laughs out of this, and I agree that the IET is certainly not the best train out there and the seats are some of the most uncomfortable seats I have sat in on a train! Unfortunately, these are getting more widespread across the country as Avanti West Coast are replacing the Voyager's with IET's pretty soon.
Looks like a newer generation would be needed to resolve all the issues these seem to have... hopefully the 807 and 810 aren’t too far into production to prevent it
@@henrybn14ar Sure, the politicians have been making stupid decisions anyway, just go throw more money down the drain for no reason! It's not like perfectly good trains haven't been scrapped like that before, just look at the wonderful days of the 1955 Modernization Plan and all the success that was!
4:57 I'm still confused. I say this a hell of a lot, but they're still more comfirtable thsn the A380 plane, apparently labelled the most comfortable plane, and on a 7 hour journey, you get back pain very quick, even if you are 15. They're padded a LOT, but its lole they got the hardest padding. On any padded seats, you're able to push it down. It requires a lot of force to push down these seats. I'd much rather be on an iron board for 7 hours than that. Although I guess on the plus side (insert manufacturers here) gave me the ability to type this.
I went on one between reading and Penzance. And another one between Par and Exeter. I also couldn't get a proper window seat either which is slightly annoying. Not too mention the rumbling motors under Neath (that was never a problem on the loco hauled train), the sinks were blocked in the toilets, heavy doors, annoying announcements, narrow doors, VERY uncomfortable seats. And who the bloody hell runs bloody 5 CAR services to Cardiff and Worcester! Went on a class 159 from Exeter to Woking, that had better results!
@@NZRailCaptures The HST is a diesel train, and *only* runs on diesel. According to Network Rail, diesel trains produce 21% more CO2, and there's more track wear. Also, the HST don't comply with modern standards. There are countries like Japan that have much better trains.
IET’s are just not that good in my opinion, because I rode on one with GWR from Exeter St David’s to Reading and the seats were quite hard. I personally rather ride a HST any day as they have very comfy seats and I rode on a couple of class 43 HST’s between Exeter St Davids and Totnes and they were both very good, enjoyable and more comfy to ride on.
You're missing the point. I don't mind change but change needs to be *improved*. Shorter formations, harder seats and no buffet cars (in the GWR sets) are flaws that shouldn't of happened in the first place. Remember that I wasn't a huge fan of HSTs/225s in the first place.
The transpennine 802s looks sexy to be honest id rather travel long distance on an iet then a GWR refubishment hst the GWR hst refurbishment dosent have as much tables as the iet and the seats arent to bad when you have been sat on them a while and they feel more open then the HSTs i kinda like them when they arent a 5 car formation
Those seats never improve... it's the modern way we do trains and just... I hate it. Plus, it's said that people with ongoing back injuries can't use trains with seats like that
UK BADLY needs to increase platform lengths wherever possible in phases to allow for longer trains on high demand routes with over crowded trains. For example, an AT300 unit should be atleast 10 coaches in ONE unit not as a multiple unit. I completely agree with what you say....LNER purchased more 5 car AT300s than 9 car AT300s, i think they should have gotten less trains, but each train formed of 10 coaches atleast. In India, our 22 car loco hauled trains are usually overcrowded, and our intercity expresses have 11 to 20 coaches depending on demand. You dont need a FAST train essentially, you need one thats STEADY and is able to handle overcrowding. The way the seats on some new rolling stock in UK is being trolled to have ironing board seats, you guys will probably appreciate whatever padding you get in UK if you take a ride in on an Indian local train. These trains have bench seats that can be quite hard on your 🍑.
An AT300 on electric beats a 91 to 125, which in turn beats an HST, so whoever you've spoken to is lying. Diesel is a different story, you can generally get to about 110 on diesel on the level, but then there's nowhere in the country they can do 125 off the wires.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel Eversholt Rail have some decent (nqp) performance graphs on their site for most of the traction they own, quite interesting to look at.
Probably not. I don't want to pursue riding those trains. The 810 is at least significantly more different to warrant looking at, but again, my desire to ride is -10.
I imagine the 800 and 802 like iPhones: *800 enters service* GWR: This is our new train, it does cool stuff Passengers: Yay! *802 enters service* GWR: This is our new train, it is better than the other train Passengers: Yeah, but how is it better? GWR: iT's BeTtEr
1:46 Actually, yes some are. The Class 801 currently in service with LNER (and the soon to enter service Classes 803 and 807) are electric only trains (Electric multiple units or conventional electric trains)
@@MaverickHunterDaniel I understand your point, however the 803 (and possibly the 807, we don't know yet) are definetly electric only as they have no diesel engines at all.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel scania wright solar there very uncomfortable they rattle a lot when they go over bumps the suspension dosent seem to exist but there very fast and they sound nice ah and heating dosent exist on them eather 😂
The LNER ones are fine, the GWR ones are worse than the eCitaro, Wight Street lite, Wight streetcar, and hell, probably the Landuer(Diesel bus from the late 1800s)
I prefer too call the "cucumber" pickles, and I'm tired of seeing them on gwml, there everywhere. I litteraly went 2 hours away too Swansea and they were there
Ngl with the inverness service they should have it be a 10 car service at least to Edinburgh and if thw scottish public demand it 10 car all th way to inverness... tho dont think there are that many passengers willing to ride on these crapheaps
BEST TRAINS EVER IN THE UK!!!! Though I agree with you that the seats aren't too suitable for long distance services, and that is quite disgusting that there are no USB charging points on the IET. But the most uncomfortable train for me has no doubt got to be the Thameslink 700!
Seat cushions are so hard Russia is now fitting them as armour on their tanks
Japan: Makes brilliant High speed trains while the UK is still using steam traction.
Great Britain: Can we have?
Japan: Sure thing!
Also Japan: Gives the UK a cucumber.
These trains were made by a Japanese manufacturer.
Steam traction with Mark 1 or pre nationalisation trains would be an upgrade.
"Trains of short lengths are only a problem when you have to go on one" shows a Birmingham to Nottingham service, too true, I'm from Nottingham and it is a problem
Those services can be nigh on impossible to ride on when it's a 2 car.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel yeah, i know, just between Nottingham and Derby is bad, i can't even imagine Nottingham to Birmingham
@@srgntsylveon2919 I live in Nottingham as well, and I have been all the way to Birmingham on a 2 car 170. Let alone a Nottingham to Cardiff service that has two coaches. I recommend not travelling on any cross country service from Nottingham
@@MaverickHunterDaniel When they put a two car 170 on the Nottingham - Cardiff service, thats absoloute hell. Even riding a mile can be painful.
I rode on an iet from leeds to aberdeen. Never again. My back still suffers 2 years later
Super sorry to hear that :(
Here in Germany we use the Second class seats on Regional Trains. The BR 1440 and 442 operrated by HLB, S-Bahn Rhein Ruhr, MRB, Abellio and DB Regio Süd Ost. Its weird to see that GWR is using seats for regional Services on Long Distance services.
I am soo happy we have the ICE wich has a better seats than the IET
I have yet to ride an ICE myself or any German train for that matter :D
And in the USA we have dual modes like the P32ACDM's which only operate in third rail mode in Penn Station as diesel emissions are prohibited
If the pacer is more comfortable than one of the newest high speed trains, then we're fucked
I love how this series went from 'these trains are ok when not on silly routes' to 'anyone who likes these is clinically insane' in the span of 1 episode
In January I went to London with my dad for my 13th birthday on LNER. The trip down there was great, but on the way back we found out the seats we reserved didn't have a window which left a sour taste in my mouth.
A shame :(
Everyone was so hyped for this train and it turned out to be a dissapointment. Hitachi should definitely be ashamed of themselves. I honestly don't know why they just released more javelins from South Eastern because the doors are way bigger so it is more accessible. Up there with the pacer of one of the worst trains ever to enter the UK.
It wasnt hitachis fault
It was, do you understand the situation?
@@OnTheRailwayOfficial no of course not.. the cracks were all gwrs fault 🤣
@@elio1456 No, cus why would cracks also show up on LNER sets aswell then?
@@OnTheRailwayOfficialHe’s being sarcastic lad
the class 803 with yellow front looks like a 395
"Go out there, and enjoy your inevitable 5 car King's Cross to Inverness service" - Oh wait. We're on lockdown...
PS: Good vid 458 next plz 😛
I make no promises with the 458.
Imagine a 2 car Manchester Airport to Shrewsbury
You had me in pieces at “inevitable 5 car KX - Inverness service”. That can’t be legal.
I've seen 5 car Paddington to Penzance services too many times to count so I won't be surprised if it happens in the future..
Oh god no. I once saw a 4 car Aberdeen to Penzance service. Packed like sardines.
@@alfredosgaming340 voyager go brrrrrrr
Well luckily I don’t ride the ‘Cucumber’ much because instead I live off riding 458s on SWR. Speaking of which I’d love to see your thoughts on a 458/5 because I dislike them (except their motor).
I'll consider in the future :)
If railways cared about passenger comfort they would just refurbish HSTs - replace worn out parts and improve some things, so they could run for like 20 more years until they found a worthy replacement for them. It would be even cheaper than buying anime trains and sending HSTs for scrap or cargo operations
Don’t let the exterior trick you into thinking it’s good
I rode one of these IETs to york. And BEFORE. YES BEFORE WE PASSED PETERBOROUGH MY ARSE WAS HURTING LIKE CRAZY
they replaced the HSTs which were over 40 years old. and somehow they made something worse.
The seats with no windows are basically a seat if you need to catch up on some work or ur drunk and u want to sleep basically it's a little personal space for rest or work without having the view distracting you that is the de-facto purpose of it
That's really annoying how I can't disagree with that.
Should melt these down and make more 43s
*YOU'LL BE GOING NOWHERE* oop wrong train (but with the harder than diamond seats you actually won't be going anywhere)
these are so crap that earlier this week all were pulled out of service due to underframe cracks on some units lol
these units I shall now refer to as Doggy Daves.
6:24 sums it up
The IETs are just nasty trains. I think it's absolutely disgusting how they replaced comfortable trains with a buffet car with these horrible uncomfortable trains with a dreaded trolley service, like what even is the fucking point in having comfortable trains in the first place if they're just going to get replaced with these horrible trains. GWR deserve to get stripped from their franchise for this so someone who actually cares about customer experience can run the franchise instead.
I am not offended in the slightest at the description of the place at 0:53.
Good.
The interior looks like it was brought with low price in mind.
😂😂😂😂😂 Brilliant video. Hitting every point I do when I say how shocking these trains are. Would be good to see one of these videos on the Class 700
I'll think about doing the 700. I just need to sort out more ideas and all.
Great video! Definitely got some laughs out of this, and I agree that the IET is certainly not the best train out there and the seats are some of the most uncomfortable seats I have sat in on a train! Unfortunately, these are getting more widespread across the country as Avanti West Coast are replacing the Voyager's with IET's pretty soon.
Looks like a newer generation would be needed to resolve all the issues these seem to have... hopefully the 807 and 810 aren’t too far into production to prevent it
They just need to be scrapped ASAP. The newer versions cannot be any better. The entire concept is flawed.
@@henrybn14ar Sure, the politicians have been making stupid decisions anyway, just go throw more money down the drain for no reason! It's not like perfectly good trains haven't been scrapped like that before, just look at the wonderful days of the 1955 Modernization Plan and all the success that was!
4:57 I'm still confused. I say this a hell of a lot, but they're still more comfirtable thsn the A380 plane, apparently labelled the most comfortable plane, and on a 7 hour journey, you get back pain very quick, even if you are 15. They're padded a LOT, but its lole they got the hardest padding. On any padded seats, you're able to push it down. It requires a lot of force to push down these seats. I'd much rather be on an iron board for 7 hours than that. Although I guess on the plus side (insert manufacturers here) gave me the ability to type this.
I already said what I cna about the A380 so I can't add much to that.
The seats are now much worse now that the cushions have collapsed.
Going to Penzance on one 'trying to go to Exeter St David's via Clapham Junction on a 159 to avoid some of t IET . !!
The seats have to meet such a strict criteria now it is very hard to find comfy seats on new trains now.
Luckily, people rioted enough with the 755 since it's comfier to me at least.
As an American, what strict criteria do you speak of?
Basically seats need to be fireproof, graffiti proof, knifeproof as well as being cheap.
Thank god the 720 have good seats
I went on one between reading and Penzance. And another one between Par and Exeter. I also couldn't get a proper window seat either which is slightly annoying. Not too mention the rumbling motors under Neath (that was never a problem on the loco hauled train), the sinks were blocked in the toilets, heavy doors, annoying announcements, narrow doors, VERY uncomfortable seats.
And who the bloody hell runs bloody 5 CAR services to Cardiff and Worcester!
Went on a class 159 from Exeter to Woking, that had better results!
_"And who the bloody hell runs bloody 5 CAR services to Cardiff and Worcester! "_
I will say nothing and simply await a comment from a XC user :)
@@MaverickHunterDaniel Oh yeah, I forgot that XC runs 5 car trains between Plymouth and Edinburgh
Why didn't BREL just put a pantograph on the HST power cars and make it a electric loco instead of making Hitachi make a crappy replacement?
Money and other technical reasons I guess.
BREL doesn't exist anymore. But they could get ABB or some other company to do that
Same reason why we don’t have electric Deltics mate
"I have an Idea, Make the HST bi mode"
Put a 175 and 180 together Create a black hole but have a splendid journey and hope for no fire
Can it be a hybrid? Train
The class 805’s that Avanti have are much better than other IET’s
Do The Railway Review To The Class 800 & 801 'Azuma', The Railway Review To The Class 802 & The Railway Review To The Class 803 Please!
So how do you edit the videos with the Daniel voice on it
I'm not giving tutorials, especially to people just trying to be a copycat or a suck up.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel never mind
IET International Expensive Trains
Each IET costs about £2m pounds, which isn't much.
@@tescotrain Still Hate IET's #HST
@@NZRailCaptures The HST is a diesel train, and *only* runs on diesel. According to Network Rail, diesel trains produce 21% more CO2, and there's more track wear. Also, the HST don't comply with modern standards. There are countries like Japan that have much better trains.
@@tescotrain i dont need to know about u facts u smart guy i like The HST and hate iet in my opionon
No Incredibly Expensive Trash
how they read it: I-E-T
how I read it: *YEET*
You should go to specsavers.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel e
IET’s are just not that good in my opinion, because I rode on one with GWR from Exeter St David’s to Reading and the seats were quite hard. I personally rather ride a HST any day as they have very comfy seats and I rode on a couple of class 43 HST’s between Exeter St Davids and Totnes and they were both very good, enjoyable and more comfy to ride on.
The 800 is good and modern fast this is the future if u cant accept it idk but hsts and 225s are saying bye bye lol
You're missing the point. I don't mind change but change needs to be *improved*. Shorter formations, harder seats and no buffet cars (in the GWR sets) are flaws that shouldn't of happened in the first place.
Remember that I wasn't a huge fan of HSTs/225s in the first place.
The transpennine 802s looks sexy to be honest id rather travel long distance on an iet then a GWR refubishment hst the GWR hst refurbishment dosent have as much tables as the iet and the seats arent to bad when you have been sat on them a while and they feel more open then the HSTs i kinda like them when they arent a 5 car formation
Those seats never improve... it's the modern way we do trains and just... I hate it. Plus, it's said that people with ongoing back injuries can't use trains with seats like that
@@LucyMichela never said the seats where better then the hst you just dont realise after i while
@@cam43002 i didn't say you did, I said that they never improve. They are always uncomfortable
@@LucyMichela yes they haven't improved but the interior design is better seats are worse but there bearable
@@cam43002 yes, bland colours, with poor window to seat alignment and no innovation is brilliant
Can u do Civitys plz?
UK BADLY needs to increase platform lengths wherever possible in phases to allow for longer trains on high demand routes with over crowded trains. For example, an AT300 unit should be atleast 10 coaches in ONE unit not as a multiple unit. I completely agree with what you say....LNER purchased more 5 car AT300s than 9 car AT300s, i think they should have gotten less trains, but each train formed of 10 coaches atleast. In India, our 22 car loco hauled trains are usually overcrowded, and our intercity expresses have 11 to 20 coaches depending on demand. You dont need a FAST train essentially, you need one thats STEADY and is able to handle overcrowding. The way the seats on some new rolling stock in UK is being trolled to have ironing board seats, you guys will probably appreciate whatever padding you get in UK if you take a ride in on an Indian local train. These trains have bench seats that can be quite hard on your 🍑.
An AT300 on electric beats a 91 to 125, which in turn beats an HST, so whoever you've spoken to is lying. Diesel is a different story, you can generally get to about 110 on diesel on the level, but then there's nowhere in the country they can do 125 off the wires.
I can believe that.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel Eversholt Rail have some decent (nqp) performance graphs on their site for most of the traction they own, quite interesting to look at.
I shall look through then. Thanks :)
Might be on about the 2+9 HSTs that used to run the ECML, these comparisons were for 2+7 or 2+8 ones
It's all bureaucracy.
When the 805 & 807 enter service will u do a remake that includes the 805 & 807
Probably not. I don't want to pursue riding those trains. The 810 is at least significantly more different to warrant looking at, but again, my desire to ride is -10.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel I've seen images of the seats on the 805 & 807 and they look better than the others
But would u review the class 807 & 805 together in one vid
@@MaverickHunterDaniel when the 805 & 807 enter service would u do a railway review of the class 805 & 807
@@RobloxYtber1616 I already answered your question. Stop asking or I'll block you.
Why do u keep bashing the Streetlite?
Because I don't like it. I think it's a flawed bus.
Streetshite*
801s don't need to exists
Now please roast the new Caledonian sleeper Mk5 vs Mk3
Nah I'm good.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel fairs haha, just don't travel in the seated carriage if you do travel on it.
I imagine the 800 and 802 like iPhones:
*800 enters service*
GWR: This is our new train, it does cool stuff
Passengers: Yay!
*802 enters service*
GWR: This is our new train, it is better than the other train
Passengers: Yeah, but how is it better?
GWR: iT's BeTtEr
1:46 Actually, yes some are.
The Class 801 currently in service with LNER (and the soon to enter service Classes 803 and 807) are electric only trains (Electric multiple units or conventional electric trains)
Listen to 2:22 onwards :)
@@MaverickHunterDaniel I understand your point, however the 803 (and possibly the 807, we don't know yet) are definetly electric only as they have no diesel engines at all.
@@gabrielstravels Yeah, though keep in mind that this video was posted in March. The 807 didn't even exist then.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel true, and even back then, it was still confirmed that Avanti West Coast were buying AT300s.
But I said there's no way to review something that wasn't even built, let alone in service yet.
Desiros next desiros next desiros next
Maybe maybe maybe.
Desiros are generally nice, I like the SWR 450s! But the 700 Desiro Cities are my least fave of all UK trains lol alongside the Voyagers
The actual look of the 803 was a lie they simply took a random 5 car class 801 and painted it blue with a lot of text, that's it.
Darn you concept art not being the same as reality. You and your tricks! :(
@@MaverickHunterDaniel ik it's a shame :(
@@MaverickHunterDaniel you can search up what the train looks like if you have done it yet?
lol a Streetlite is comfier than an IET 6:32
I probably could've picked any bus, but a Streetlite was the first thing that came to my head.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel scania wright solar there very uncomfortable they rattle a lot when they go over bumps the suspension dosent seem to exist but there very fast and they sound nice ah and heating dosent exist on them eather 😂
I got a little hyped to see a bus joke in a MHD video lol
The LNER ones are fine, the GWR ones are worse than the eCitaro, Wight Street lite, Wight streetcar, and hell, probably the Landuer(Diesel bus from the late 1800s)
I prefer too call the "cucumber" pickles, and I'm tired of seeing them on gwml, there everywhere. I litteraly went 2 hours away too Swansea and they were there
395s are better then the 80xs ahahhaahaaa
Ngl with the inverness service they should have it be a 10 car service at least to Edinburgh and if thw scottish public demand it 10 car all th way to inverness... tho dont think there are that many passengers willing to ride on these crapheaps
Nah there is. First Class on Azuma's are said to be fine.
BEST TRAINS EVER IN THE UK!!!!
Though I agree with you that the seats aren't too suitable for long distance services, and that is quite disgusting that there are no USB charging points on the IET.
But the most uncomfortable train for me has no doubt got to be the Thameslink 700!
I could never call the IET the best train in the UK, even if I was paid too :D
@@MaverickHunterDaniel As I said above, they do have its disadvantages.
@@gabrielstravels I know, I know... :)
@@MaverickHunterDaniel and as for the cucumber part, nice one mate 👍 I find it very funny 😂😂😂
@@gabrielstravels You're welcome. I'm glad you managed to enjoy it.
In my opinion these trains are ok the 802 is dog shit but the 800 can be quite nice
Putrid trains. The 5 car IET would accelerate better with a Hall or a Class 5.
Dual mode means a lot of heavy kit being carted around uselessly.
I like the design tbh. Acceleration could be better though, more like the 395 next time at least
the iet on lner was the reason why one of them hsts were scrapped, this is why the iets are terrible, #fucktheiets
do thomas the tank engine
Lner & luno IET are little better
U forgot lumo
See 1:11 and also, this video is more than 2 years old, when Lumo didn't even exist. Please watch the video before making idiotic comments.
IM NOT AN IDIOT
@@mrorangeaventra4683 If you say so. Learn next time. Also stop liking your own comments whilst you're at it ;)
Why
Average transport channel in ohio 💀💀💀
I will never understand modern humour these days.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel Nah its just little kids who don't have a sense of Humor.
Couldn't disagree with you more on this one but you are still entitled to your opinion
The GWR IET Is Awful