I’m sorry, but having karate become an Olympic sport would be the worst thing that could happen to it. Look at how the sport rules have affected the way Tae Kwon Do is practiced. When there is a specific sport rule set, people train to score according to those rules. When there’s an Olympic sport, people demand a unified governing body for the sport. Those are the workstations things that could happen to karate as a whole. Judo began as a sport so it’s fine for it to move forward that way, it was specifically designed to be a safe form of play with dangerous (ie: effective) techniques banned from it. Soon after TKD became an Olympic sport it ceased being seen as an effective martial art because people only trained for the competitive sport version. People laugh at it now. I would hate to see karate move down that path. As far as I’m concerned karate being kicked out of the Olympics was the best thing that could’ve happened to us.
@@Mraymankarate I dont get why olympics nerf the combat sports. Also I think olympics should only have the sports that makes the olympics its most important event, unlike FIFA and basketball they have their own world cups
95% of Karate clubs are sports Karate. Very few are martial Karate. Same thing with grappling. Almost every club is BJJ approved which is the sport version of grappling. If you want martial grappling you do Catch Wrestling but most people don’t want to suffer. That’s why sport versions are popular and not the martial version.
Just wanted to comment something like this. I'm doing ITF TKD which is like Kickbox with a light contact ruleset. Same techniques but a rather different outcome in competition. Also, as a long time dance enthusiast, I don't want B-Boying become an Olympic sport as it would possibly ruin the whole thing. The truth is, every sporting organisation will modify the ruleset depending on the requirements, therefore clubs and athletes will "play the meta" so to say, basically use only the things which are getting them wins.
@@MiklosHajma well tbh its a smart way of thinking, people will always gravitate to the most effective tactics available. Thou i don't get why the contact ruleset is so light
I had that same discussion at the time. The saudi athlete trowed a kick with the leading leg without switching. That is not a "power" kick. The iranian, on the other hand, made a fundamental mistake that is to lean inwards the hand you are throwing the punch.
Do you have any source for the claim of Karate being the most practiced sport in the world? A quick search online points to football, instead. Unfortunately, I could not find clear and consistent information, so a good source reference would be great. Thanks!
I´m glad I started gojuryu karate about 2 years ago and was sad I couldn´t watch karate in the olympics. I watched taekwondo instead in addition to judo, which was my first combat sport in which I got the black belt last year.Talking about sports karate and martial karate is a difficult thing, but I think one´s safety is the most important thing, reason why I probably wouldn´t practice kyokushin or kudo.If I REALLY NEED to fight one day, which hasn´t happened for 38 years since I started judo at age 12, I can block attacks using my karate skills and , if necessary, throw someone using my aikido or judo.However, I prefer to use philosophy taught at Gojuryu school of karate: 打たず、打たれず（Don't hit and don´t be hit), which is the opposite of shotokan school, which is 先手必勝(Hit first and surely win).
Nice video! I would love to see it back at the Olympics, and I would especially love to see Team Kata in there as well. However there needs to be format changes for kata and certain ruleset changes for kumite. Personal changes for kata: - Having at least 2 performances and taking the best or average of 2 from the pool, which then goes into eliminations or a similar format as pools. - Allowing more kata in the list or adding new kata in there. - (and Maybe allow not having kiai XD) Kumite: - Give KOs as wins, but still keep the points principle (Stopped doing kumite competitions, as I had a similar experience as Tareg from the Olympic final) - Allow takedowns with 2 hands. - Maybe add more protective gear to the head if safety is a concern. At least some of mine personal changes would love to see implemented. (There are things like elbows and knees as well, but i do not see them make sense in Sports karate) P.S. Looks like I was not the only one who got the drive to make a video on the Olympic Karate with the Olympics. 😅
I agree with a lot of your points, but you cannot have KO’s as wins. Then, more people will attempt the knock out and it will completely change the sport. Furthermore, it is not what the IOC wants.
Taekwondo was a demonstration sport since Seoul 1988 Olympic games and wasn't included until the Sydney 2000 Olympic games. Same thing with Judo in the Tokyo 1964 Olympic games not including Judo for women until the Barcelona 1992 Olympic games.
It should go back to the olympics, but i would probably make it be like the sabaki challenge but wearing protections...olympics dont like unprotected strikes, just put some gloves, some shin pads and do sabaki challenge rules... That would get viewership
Semi contact has always been fundamentally flawed for competition as it relies on external appearance rather than the effect the technique has. Karate may be widely practiced, but at least half it's practitioners rightly or wrongly despise point fighting. Alternate models that would be more understandable to the lay public might include karate combat, kyokushin knockdown and an armoured ruleset, nippon kempo.
@@Massdojo I'm not denying you are right. The IOC are perfectly satisfied with tkd as their Asian striking martial art, they don't need another that is indistinguishable to Joe public. If karate does have any chance of being re admitted, it needs to be significantly different from tkd, and continuous fighting, full contact (possibly with armour) is my tuppence.
Taekwondo has been undisputed since it made it to the olympics and in my opinion it's gotten worse than Karate's only participation. TKD now is a boring foot fencing, where 15 years ago we saw jumping spinning 540º kicks. (I'm a black belt in TKD, I criticize the sport I once loved) I think that having a generic kickboxing rules competition would be great for the olympics. TKD, Karate & any other kicking art could compete there, they could limit low kicks, force applied to the head, use head & shin gear, maybe even adding automated scoring like in TKD.
Great information. I am seeing a lot of posts about “why it should be an Olympic sport” including from the WKF, The problem is the WKF does not have a clear plan on how to make the sport more appealing to the public and IOC. In my opinion, there are some very basic things that need to be addressed: 1) bring back two handed throws. While the rules have improved since banning two handed throws… these exciting throws often end in a penalty. This is a massively confusing and poor look for the general public. 2) The WKF’s social media is not very good. I see better personal pages from kids! This is a simple thing to resolve. You put the right people in place to make the videos more compelling and exciting. This is clearly what the IOC wants based on what you said. 3) Major sponsorships and money comes from having a large social media audience and presence. 4) Stop wasting time in between matches. Eliminate what I call “theatrics” and get to the action. Video review is ok as long as the public can see it too (much like the NFL). 5) Certain Traditionalist need to get off their high horses and support the sport piece of the art. There is a lot of arrogance and bad attitude towards point fighting. We can have sport and tradition without damage what karate is. There is more, but I feel these are major areas that need to be addressed.
I'm picturing the end of The Karate Kid. Daniel is limping, only able to stand on one leg, adopts the crane stance. The referee starts the final round. Daniel pulls off a phenomenal crane kick, right to Johnny's face! He celebrates with Miyagi and Ali, then the referee rules that his kick was intended to injure the other competitor, Daniel is disqualified and Johnny wins. I can see why you want karate to have more publicity but I really worry that the rules tweaking just makes it less effective. You really don't want it to end up like Taekwondo. The best Olympic combat sports (boxing and wrestling) are those that have managed to stay closest to the original sport. Even judo seems quite distorted from the non-Olympic version.
But WKF rules seem kind of old now, that simulation of punching seems pointless to everyone that doesn't do Shotokan and similar styles, it's not really very visually pleasing for an olympic sport.
Why everybody seems to trust the Iranian, I really think he put on a performance, he knew if he stood up he would be 7-1 down making it almost impossible to win it.
Karate becoming an olimpic sport would go against what Gichin Funakoshi wanted for it and I, as karate practitioner, follow and believe what O-sensei said; so I don’t care about any of your reasons. End of the discussion.
I would hate to see karate in the olympics JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE OLYMPICE DID TO Taekwondo!! IT IS HARDLY RECOGNIZABLE FROM WHAT IT USE TO BE. .... don't ruin your art
I’m sorry, but having karate become an Olympic sport would be the worst thing that could happen to it. Look at how the sport rules have affected the way Tae Kwon Do is practiced. When there is a specific sport rule set, people train to score according to those rules. When there’s an Olympic sport, people demand a unified governing body for the sport. Those are the workstations things that could happen to karate as a whole. Judo began as a sport so it’s fine for it to move forward that way, it was specifically designed to be a safe form of play with dangerous (ie: effective) techniques banned from it. Soon after TKD became an Olympic sport it ceased being seen as an effective martial art because people only trained for the competitive sport version. People laugh at it now. I would hate to see karate move down that path. As far as I’m concerned karate being kicked out of the Olympics was the best thing that could’ve happened to us.
I agree
@@Mraymankarate I dont get why olympics nerf the combat sports. Also I think olympics should only have the sports that makes the olympics its most important event, unlike FIFA and basketball they have their own world cups
95% of Karate clubs are sports Karate. Very few are martial Karate. Same thing with grappling. Almost every club is BJJ approved which is the sport version of grappling. If you want martial grappling you do Catch Wrestling but most people don’t want to suffer. That’s why sport versions are popular and not the martial version.
Just wanted to comment something like this. I'm doing ITF TKD which is like Kickbox with a light contact ruleset. Same techniques but a rather different outcome in competition. Also, as a long time dance enthusiast, I don't want B-Boying become an Olympic sport as it would possibly ruin the whole thing. The truth is, every sporting organisation will modify the ruleset depending on the requirements, therefore clubs and athletes will "play the meta" so to say, basically use only the things which are getting them wins.
@@MiklosHajma well tbh its a smart way of thinking, people will always gravitate to the most effective tactics available. Thou i don't get why the contact ruleset is so light
I had that same discussion at the time. The saudi athlete trowed a kick with the leading leg without switching. That is not a "power" kick. The iranian, on the other hand, made a fundamental mistake that is to lean inwards the hand you are throwing the punch.
Do you have any source for the claim of Karate being the most practiced sport in the world? A quick search online points to football, instead. Unfortunately, I could not find clear and consistent information, so a good source reference would be great. Thanks!
I´m glad I started gojuryu karate about 2 years ago and was sad I couldn´t watch karate in the olympics. I watched taekwondo instead in addition to judo, which was my first combat sport in which I got the black belt last year.Talking about sports karate and martial karate is a difficult thing, but I think one´s safety is the most important thing, reason why I probably wouldn´t practice kyokushin or kudo.If I REALLY NEED to fight one day, which hasn´t happened for 38 years since I started judo at age 12, I can block attacks using my karate skills and , if necessary, throw someone using my aikido or judo.However, I prefer to use philosophy taught at Gojuryu school of karate: 打たず、打たれず（Don't hit and don´t be hit), which is the opposite of shotokan school, which is 先手必勝(Hit first and surely win).
Nice video!
I would love to see it back at the Olympics, and I would especially love to see Team Kata in there as well.
However there needs to be format changes for kata and certain ruleset changes for kumite.
Personal changes for kata:
- Having at least 2 performances and taking the best or average of 2 from the pool, which then goes into eliminations or a similar format as pools.
- Allowing more kata in the list or adding new kata in there.
- (and Maybe allow not having kiai XD)
Kumite:
- Give KOs as wins, but still keep the points principle (Stopped doing kumite competitions, as I had a similar experience as Tareg from the Olympic final)
- Allow takedowns with 2 hands.
- Maybe add more protective gear to the head if safety is a concern.
At least some of mine personal changes would love to see implemented. (There are things like elbows and knees as well, but i do not see them make sense in Sports karate)
P.S. Looks like I was not the only one who got the drive to make a video on the Olympic Karate with the Olympics. 😅
I agree with a lot of your points, but you cannot have KO’s as wins. Then, more people will attempt the knock out and it will completely change the sport. Furthermore, it is not what the IOC wants.
That's why I DONT WATCH LAME KARATE SPORT, Prefer Kyokushin rather than weak Olympic
Karate is very popular everywhere especially the UK in the 1980's maybe it's more popular in Ireland and the US especially Shotokan.
Taekwondo was a demonstration sport since Seoul 1988 Olympic games and wasn't included until the Sydney 2000 Olympic games. Same thing with Judo in the Tokyo 1964 Olympic games not including Judo for women until the Barcelona 1992 Olympic games.
It should go back to the olympics, but i would probably make it be like the sabaki challenge but wearing protections...olympics dont like unprotected strikes, just put some gloves, some shin pads and do sabaki challenge rules... That would get viewership
Semi contact has always been fundamentally flawed for competition as it relies on external appearance rather than the effect the technique has.
Karate may be widely practiced, but at least half it's practitioners rightly or wrongly despise point fighting.
Alternate models that would be more understandable to the lay public might include karate combat, kyokushin knockdown and an armoured ruleset, nippon kempo.
Did you watch the video? That’s not what the IOC wants.
@@Massdojo I'm not denying you are right. The IOC are perfectly satisfied with tkd as their Asian striking martial art, they don't need another that is indistinguishable to Joe public.
If karate does have any chance of being re admitted, it needs to be significantly different from tkd, and continuous fighting, full contact (possibly with armour) is my tuppence.
Taekwondo has been undisputed since it made it to the olympics and in my opinion it's gotten worse than Karate's only participation.
TKD now is a boring foot fencing, where 15 years ago we saw jumping spinning 540º kicks. (I'm a black belt in TKD, I criticize the sport I once loved)
I think that having a generic kickboxing rules competition would be great for the olympics. TKD, Karate & any other kicking art could compete there, they could limit low kicks, force applied to the head, use head & shin gear, maybe even adding automated scoring like in TKD.
If you have guys like CJ Nickolas, it’s super fun to watch.
Great information. I am seeing a lot of posts about “why it should be an Olympic sport” including from the WKF,
The problem is the WKF does not have a clear plan on how to make the sport more appealing to the public and IOC.
In my opinion, there are some very basic things that need to be addressed:
1) bring back two handed throws. While the rules have improved since banning two handed throws… these exciting throws often end in a penalty. This is a massively confusing and poor look for the general public.
2) The WKF’s social media is not very good. I see better personal pages from kids! This is a simple thing to resolve. You put the right people in place to make the videos more compelling and exciting. This is clearly what the IOC wants based on what you said.
3) Major sponsorships and money comes from having a large social media audience and presence.
4) Stop wasting time in between matches. Eliminate what I call “theatrics” and get to the action. Video review is ok as long as the public can see it too (much like the NFL).
5) Certain Traditionalist need to get off their high horses and support the sport piece of the art. There is a lot of arrogance and bad attitude towards point fighting. We can have sport and tradition without damage what karate is.
There is more, but I feel these are major areas that need to be addressed.
Totally agree. It's as if the WKF doesn't put any effort in promoting itself
WKF is so wack I got DQd cuz I kicked my opponent in the leg I prefer other kumite rules
The IOC needs to ditch TKD and swop it for Muay Thai. It’s much more spectator friendly.
It is a sport where spectators can't clearly understand if something is a point or not until the referee decides. That's really not good.
I'm picturing the end of The Karate Kid. Daniel is limping, only able to stand on one leg, adopts the crane stance. The referee starts the final round. Daniel pulls off a phenomenal crane kick, right to Johnny's face! He celebrates with Miyagi and Ali, then the referee rules that his kick was intended to injure the other competitor, Daniel is disqualified and Johnny wins.
I can see why you want karate to have more publicity but I really worry that the rules tweaking just makes it less effective. You really don't want it to end up like Taekwondo. The best Olympic combat sports (boxing and wrestling) are those that have managed to stay closest to the original sport. Even judo seems quite distorted from the non-Olympic version.
Nooooo then Cobra Kai won’t happen!!!
But WKF rules seem kind of old now, that simulation of punching seems pointless to everyone that doesn't do Shotokan and similar styles, it's not really very visually pleasing for an olympic sport.
After how the stole the medal from the Saudi Arabian competitor Karate should never be allowed again.
Sport Karate wins with points except for in Knockdown Karate like in Kyokushin and Ashihara in the Karate Combat.
Why everybody seems to trust the Iranian, I really think he put on a performance, he knew if he stood up he would be 7-1 down making it almost impossible to win it.
Karate becoming an olimpic sport would go against what Gichin Funakoshi wanted for it and I, as karate practitioner, follow and believe what O-sensei said; so I don’t care about any of your reasons. End of the discussion.
Nope. It would Absolutely ruin it more than competition already has! Pure shit.
Karate, but only knockdown rules, no point sparring, otherwise it is going to stay the joke that it became at the olympics, so damned embarrasing.
Olympic standards are a bad joke…
The Olympics are too soft. Where is the determination? Where is the fighting spirit?
I would hate to see karate in the olympics JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE OLYMPICE DID TO Taekwondo!! IT IS HARDLY RECOGNIZABLE FROM WHAT IT USE TO BE. .... don't ruin your art
Who cares about the stupו olimpics
especially after the beginning of this year's Olympics. i wasn't interested in Olympics. after what they did, my lack of interest increased more.