My Talk with Paul G. from Back to Eden Gardening Method with wood chips
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- Key fact about Fungi.. My Talk with Paul G. from Back to Eden Organic Gardening Method 101 with wood chips. Also No till vegetable garden for beginners.
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Mark, this is great! Neat that you were able to speak with Paul. Thank you.
It was my Pleasure, his knowledge from gardening all his life is endless.. Love your new bees...THANKS
I'm so glad you talked to Paul and glad that (as far as I know) you two are of one mind about gardening. I feel blessed that I found Paul and have now found YOU! Thank you for your videos and blessings on you and your family.♡ Sue
Me too. I could have talk for a year.. We both wish to get people to grow there on healthy food for free..THANK YOU.
This really ties everything together. I get it now. It's very simple. Thank you so much.
SIMPLE..That is a great word to use.. THANK YOU so much.
Thanks Mark for the excellent video ! I have tons of woodchips and thought that all that stringy white growth was Mycorrhizi
but now know its Calcium Oxalate I believe you said. I have lots of living roots in the ground as I am feeding the soil first then feeding my fruit trees and garden vegetables. Always look forward to your videos thanks again !
I thought the white string was mycorrhizal fungi also.. Then took sample and place them under the microscope and learn it was not. THANKS for watching.
I had the pleasure of visiting Paul's garden. I learned a lot. It's something you really need to see to believe.
VERY NICE. I was a little OK, a lot star struck when he called back. Hopefully I will get better talking with him,. THANK YOU
Hi, Mark. That was great you were able to talk to him on the phone. I did not know the fungi died every 30 day. I thought I was a network connected to the trees and deep into the soil. I have roots in my potato garden that keep it active in that area. May times I have to pull the roots out before new trees or vines pop up.
The best thing is when it is growing for those 30 days it is also creating spores( lots ) in the soil. Acting like a seed waiting for a root so it can invade again. And this keeps going on & on & on.. THANKS
Hey Mark thanks for sharing, I see you called dear Paul. This is so good! This world is so small.
I always wanted to speak with Paul. It so happen we both had the time this Today.. THANKS
I AM ORGANIC GARDENING as I see you and Paul have this thing in common, great knowledge, humbleness and generosity to teach others. I am so grateful with both. I am starting a wood chip garden this summer, God willing it will go well. I am conscious this is a long time investment, I am planting some fruit bushes and trees and strawberries here and there to mimic nature diversity and I am planing to have a minimum handling approach. I want to observe and learn from it first. Thank you so much Mark, God bless you!
Thanks to you Mark and with your continuous help l am improving my gardening skills....God Bless you and your family.
God Bless You too.
Mark,.this method of gardening is new to me. I lived in farm country for 10 years and had a wonderful garden every year. I mimicked the farmers around me because I figured they new best how to manage the soil.thats how they made their living. I moved to an area with lots of sand, wanting a nice garden I purchased 36yards of topsoil from a farmer who retired and was stripping his land of soil for retirement $. I have lived here for 20 years and garden has gone down hill. I found Paul's channel and was amazed by what he was doing. More searching brought me to your channel. I subscribed after first video. Your such a great teacher, where Paul only talked about was covering the soil. Nothing about a living root or micorrizal fungi. It seems paul was making a food forest with fruit trees(the living root). I'm confused, did Paul unkowningly create the complete soil food web?
Yes.. You got it. He cover with wood chips to keep the soil cool and moist. Then his trees , strawberries, raspberries..ETC was the living root to grow the soil food web. Plus he is in ground composting in this chicken yard.
Mycorrhiza spores can lay dormant in the soil for years. And when plant roots grow next to the spores, the spores germinate, inoculate the plants and it then forms the symbiotic relationship with it. I've been following Paul for years. IMHO The real essential key to his vegetable gardens are not the spores or the wood chips, but rather the tons of chicken fertilizer he puts on them every year. Most people miss that.
This all very good points.. THANK YOU. I do not use any manure of any kind nor tea. So in my case the mychorrhizal fungi and the whole soil food web is what does the work for me for free.
He doesn't use tons of chicken manure. He's only got up to 30 chickens in a large area on a large property. He uses a deep litter method in his coop which is high carbon (I use deep litter in mine but different materials) and everything goes into the run, including masses of spent vegetable matter, household scraps, lawn clippings etc.. The birds turn it into what could be called manure spiked leaf mold. He sieves this for the fine stuff for his vegetable rows which he likes to have in "clean" rows. I'm pretty sure he doesn't put wood chips around his vegetable rows as you would get them from the tree loppers. He does cover the ground in the orchard, which has been topped up many times over the years, and has recently began growing underneath the apples, etc.. Time has built up good growing soil over the whole area.
No one should be fooled to think that it is a "lazy" way to garden even if it is easy. I look at the size of his lawn and see how regularly mown it is and think "gee, that man has a lot of energy". He is always doing something, never idle and certainly does a lot of work to maintain what he has in the fashion he wants it.
I AM ORGANIC GARDENING mark I heard that trees prefer different strains from annual or perennial grassland plants. Would a natural prairie be a better innoculant than forest soil? I think so.
Matthew Niedbala... YES it would. Their is endo and ecto type. Endo is the most used. This is a good link for ua-cam.com/users/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rootnaturally.com%2FPlantListMycorrhizal.pdf&redir_token=y1RIwooYeTsj7koq9qRL-LCX1rN8MTUyMjc2NTEwN0AxNTIyNjc4NzA3&event=video_description&v=ZhQITNIN1yU.
I AM ORGANIC GARDENING thanks
going through comments is a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for sharing insights with Paul, most of people including myself thought that woodchips is the only solution but never knew the role of living roots and fungus playing in healthy soil.
So did I, but only when we have I had a problem did I look and understand more. Just like Paul first started gardening by tilling the soil and notice it was getting worse. Then He did a covering of wood chips that he can get for free and everyone said he was going to tie up nitrogen.. and 30+ years later.. JUST WOW. You need to cover and to grow soil with Mycorrhizal fungi ( That is not the white fungi you see in the wood chips )...THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I AM ORGANIC GARDENING I was following LTS videos showing Paul for almost 2 years and apply woodchips in May 2015 first year was good and then last year we had historical rain (only July saw more than year's worth of downpour) last year before I came across your posts I visited a pharmaceutical grow-op where they had huge stacks of bagged growing medium with MF in it. These industrial operator using mycorrhizal fungi for potted pot.
I will be moving from this house in mid summer but will carry on my nitrogen fixer experiment probably at my brother's house.
Thank you Mark, I love Paul's videos by L2Survive, and all the information from him. Once again Mark thank you. Maybe one day I will get to visit both your farms.
Frank
Thank You. I am sorry I do not do farm tours like Paul. I hope the videos can do it..
I love that even the underground life wants access to the sun's energy, so does it through symbiosis. I'm in the process of providing at least one shrub to each bed to provide a fungi base.
You can just plant 2 or 3 strawberries plants thought out you garden and it will do the same as a Shrub. Remember you need to grow Endo type mycorrhizal fungi.. THANK YOU.
So that is what "Strawberry Fields Forever" is about. A plug for mycorrhizal fungi.
That is how they will last forever because all the plant roots in the area use the same endo mycorrhizal fungi and will help SHARE water and nutrients with each other and grow soil to store carbon...THANKS
+Ula Ka, If you are using the term ( plug ) that mean advertise, NO. But if you mean in a scientific term, YES. Because it is free and nature has been using it from day one. YOU NEVER have to buy it. THANKS.
The Beatles were big into mushrooms, didn't you know? Magic ones.
thanks to you, I've learned a little about foodweb in the soil and the fungi, you r a great teacher keep up the good work!
We all learn from each other. Thank You for watching..
Thank you Mark & Paul.
Just showing you this is all free from nature.. THANK YOU.
Thanks for all of your videos, I have learned so much!
My pleasure. And THANK YOU for watching..
Wow! I just put down 8-12 inches of wood chips all over my property hoping it would break down some by next spring (we have minimal rain here). I do have fruit trees lining my small backyard but it seems like I need to start planting my vegetable garden in the clay dirt to get the fungi growing and help the wood chips break down. I had no idea. Thanks for the information.
Glad this was helpful to you... ENJOY & THANK YOU.
This was a great interview and great explanation. Have a marvellous day
THANK YOU...
Great guest and great information! 😊
It is truly my pleasure. I was just amazed talking to him...THANK YOU.
First got started from Paul.. love your videos..
THANK YOU..
Great info. I always enjoy your teachings and I am always learning. Cheers!!
THANK YOU that is very kind of you,,,Thanks for watching.
Hi Mark, nice video and instructions. All the good biology here must build on solid ground cover foundation. Whatever ground cover anyone preferred no problem, but wood chip is probably the easiest to achieve. No maintenance ever needed for wood chip. Starting with good foundation ground cover, I think these nice biology will happen naturally. I don't understand why people spend so much money to buy mycorrhiza in bags? without good foundation, fungi will die. If you have good root system, soil stays moist, the exudate from roots will sustain good fungi and support more population and life cycle. Fugi die and grow every moment. 90 days rule don't seem to apply if foundation is not there.
I fully AGREE with you. The soil must be covered some way some how first.. Mycorrhizal Fungi moves around in the air and in worms and in birds.. as you state , no need to buy. THANK YOU.
woodchips have been a godsend for my CA garden, without it there would be no plants (other than weeds) bc the soil dries out so badly without its "wood roof" to trap moisture. Last summer I planted fruit & ornamental trees on one side of my 1/3 acre backyard leaving the other side clear for next years project...large veggie beds.
I hesitate to plant more trees bc I still worry about 1) food crops not getting enuf sun due to tree canopies overhead casting shade and 2) tree roots taking over the soil making it difficult to even dig a hole without hitting a massive root.
I THANK YOU so much for this GREAT phrase.." Wood Chip Roof... what a fantastic group of words to explain it.
Great illustration! It will be interesting to see if the Winter Rye will make a difference this year in my garden.
I agree.. But you are going to have to plant right into it or right next to it. Less than a inch.. THANKS
I AM ORGANIC GARDENING Thanks for the tip!
Thank You so much for this ! I got such a clear understanding of the fungi and its purpose. Subscribed and am looking forward to your other Organic Growing videos :)
Another point about redwoods (including sequoia) trees is that their roots will go 100 yards to find water. So the coverage of roots in the soil is greater than say a fruit tree.
THAT is such a Great information. THANK YOU for sharing this...
This video was very helpful. I am new to the world of alternative gardening, and I had always thought that mycorrhizal fungi grew on woody/high carbon decaying matter, which the worms and rain carried into the soil (in a no till garden). I saw the little white strands growing in my newly acquired wood chips and was delighted... but it didn't quite make sense. Why don't I see white strands in soil? Why does my wood chip fungi look fuzzy as opposed to filamentous (what I thought mycorrhizae were supposed to be), etc.? I was also thrown off by the Korean natural farming method of IMO harvesting. So I'm wondering - if the fungi that are harvested from the forest floor in IMO 1 are actually saprotrophic fungi, how does IMO actually help improve your soil, since it's mycorrhizal fungi that grow in soil? I'm loving this learning process!
Thank you.
My pleasure to share and help. THANK YOU.
Thank you. Very enlightening!!!
THANK YOU for watching also...
So how far do the mycorrhizal fungi travel? Let's say I have trees (maple, pine or fruit trees) 100 feet away from my garden, on the edge of my property. When I plant plants in my garden every year, does the mycorrhizal travel to my garden to live off the roots of the plants I just planted? Or do the trees have to be in closer proximity to my garden? Also you said undisturbed soil with a living root, so that would mean any plant that lives year round without being dug up. Like maybe blueberry bushes or roses, right? I want to understand this so I know the best way to set up a garden and how it's going to work with the mycorrhizal in the ground. Thanks for the video with Paul.
Not that far ..Plant a perennial root in your garden. Blueberries do not use any mycorrhizal, check the list it is on the bottom. This a a fantastic list of plants that help other plants to grow better....PLEASE NOTE 2 types/planting groups ( Endo & Ecto ) Mycorrhizal LIST link: www.rootnaturally.com/PlantListMycorrhizal.pdf .
Thanks for another great video. I have a couple questions. I started my own B2E garden this spring after finding yours, and Paul Gauschis videos. I live in Alamogordo, NM. What is the fungus in the wood mulch? My wood mulch are various sizes. Some are already breaking down, others look like they'll take a long time to break down. I have pretty bad soil and even though I have added tons of organic matter over the last 10 years to my soil it still doesn't want to really grow anything. This year after watering every layer I added my garden is wanting to actually grow. While digging just in the spots I was doing transplants in the soil was moist. Not dry like ut usually is. We have a sandy clay soil, with caliche thrown in. It's amazing what my soil looks like, just from adding wood mulch mainly. Before I would put mamure, compost, and peat moss till it, put my water lines in then plant. I wish I would have known about this method before. I can't really get ahold of leaves because the wind takes them during the spring and fall. We only get about 13 inches anual rain in a good year and we haven't had that in a while so I have to rely on well water. My garden is in full high U/V sun all day, and exposed to nasty spring and fall winds. All of my plants are doing really well. I added some micorrhizal fungi spores to the garden also. I've found your videos very informative to my gardening ideas.
Hi, The fungus in the wood chips is called Saprophytic Fungi ( there is a lot of videos on you UA-cam that people make calling it mycorrhizal fungi, they are incorrect ). This is the video I made to give you some facts : ua-cam.com/video/6YwijhG-IuY/v-deo.html. You need to have a lots of perennial living root in you garden 24/7 -365 days a year to grow healthy soil...All that organic matter you add just turns back into CO2 and never fies your soil. Only plants in the ground 365 days a year can grow soil.. THANKS
I AM ORGANIC GARDENING thank you. I'm looking at winter cover crops for my off season. Between my chickens and using as a green mamure it'll be cut down come spring time.
thank you. so this would be another reason to grow a cover crop, i guess?
More about a living perennial root,. LIKE strawberries plants, fruit trees..etc. THANK YOU.
Hi Mark, I understand that living roots are needed to provide the living food web for plants to grow however you are using a live cover crop and Paul has wood chips as cover.
the living cover crop will need water to survive which in dry conditions is completing with my crops, wood chips provide cover to keep moisture in the ground but you cant have both so which is best? how do you deal with dry periods when you are using a cover crop to provide the living root?
Also the slow breakdown of woodchips helps to feed the plants with nutrients, which is an added benefit.
Many thanks and learning a lot about soil.
Phil.
Hi Phil , the roots of plants never compete. Because they feed the soil 2 x more that wood chips with liquid carbon. Yes, wood chips hold water. But plant roots go deep in the soil. growing soil and make air gaps more than what is in wood chips top store water. Think of the open grassland parries that get only 12 inch of rain a year and that includes all the snow and never go dry. Thanks.
Hi Mark, so in your opinion plants dont compete for water in the soil? In which case using a cover crop is better than woodchips?
A cover crop is good if you do not have wood chips. It would take a long time to fill up my 20 acres. That is why I use leaves. If I did not have leaves and no money than cardboard. If i have the money then seed. But let the cover to grow tall.. Etc, They is lots of way to achieve the same end goal. But wood chips I Use on 2 acres are free now... The main goal is to not till the soil and to keep it cover..Thanks
I some areas now I mix wood chips and seeds together.. and place on the soil and it works great.
I keep thinking about the enormous amount of ground-up trees required every year or two, to have a wood-chip mulch on the surface. I want to warn Paul not to broadcast his methods over the internet, or it might get popular, and then he'll have to pay $$ for that mulch! I suspect that your cover-crop methods are the better example for home gardeners, because a one-time wood-chip/leaf mulch (limited resources), transitions into a free living mulch that will feed the soil for years.
Paul says his chips last from 20 to 30 years...And now the guy that use to give it to him for free wants $100 a truck load.. You where RIGHT..THANKS
So hum... How do sand&silt&clay go up the composted wood chips to build soil close to the surface anyway? Water saturation and absence of clay both have to be avoided, after all. That plants get their nutrients without clay, maybe I can understand, if really it all comes from the shrooms, but without silt or sand that prevents water saturation? That sounds like a far stretch to me. Would you please care to explain?
Mark thank you so much for this and every video you take the time to produce .Mark would you please comment any specific perennial cover crops you could recommend for raised bed gardening ? Thanks !
Strawberries.
@@iamorganicgardening That surprised me. Bc I don't see that being sold as such online.
@@iamorganicgardening Red Rose homestead is a vocal supporter :)
Hii. Has Paul plant rice in his garden? Am waiting for the video of rice growing on wood chips like wasobi
Are there particular kinds of trees that are good at fostering a fungi community? I know you have posted a list in another comment of plants that are or are not Mycorrhizal, I'm just wondering out of the ones that are, are they all pretty much the same? Love your vids, learning so much, thank you.
The answer is in the type of root system the tree has.. The longer and fine and deeper the roots are the better it helps the mycorrhizal.. I do not know of any list the shares this yet.. THANKS
4:20 where did you learn that the fungi dies every 30 days?
From a Organic farmer group meeting in went to.. THANKS..
I'd love to hear and understands do more on the life cycle of mycchorizal fungi!
Was that the extent of your conversation with Paul or was there more? I have been doing back to Eden gardening after watching his documentary and ALL of L2survies videos. lol You have great information that does make everything more 'simplified" great explanations.
There was a lot more. We both decided to do & record this quick point about mycorrhizal fungi only to share and get the word out that this is free and you do not have to buy anything.. And nature works great alone. The other part is that I ask to record is about his chicken manure/compost. Which I will do next week. Paul is very kind and helpful in everway...and I can always call and ask more. THANKS
Awesome, I look forward to seeing it! Thanks
Please excuse my ignorance, but why does the majority of vegetables you grow in wood chips not build the soil with their roots anyway? I can understand if you have wood chips with nothing planted, that the best you can hope for is that as it turns to compost it seeps into the soil and enriches is that way. Surely though, if you are planting your normal veggies in your wood chips, that will then help to build soil?
THANK YOU for asking.. let me give you a example. I plant in May and frost comes and kills plants end Oct. So about 6 months I have a living root in the ground. Now. Mycorrhizal fungi has to have a living root in the ground to host it to live. So from Nov to May i do not have a living root so no living mycorrhizal fungi building and maintaining the soil ( you build you also have to maintain..like a bridge or road way). After 30 days the mycorrhizal will slowly die off and the soil will begin to fail in pour spacing and air flow. That is why Pauls garden does so well it maintains do to all the living fruit tree roots he has. The roots are still alive in winter to host the mycorrhizal fungi. Hope I explain this well... if not please write back. Again, Thanks
Thanks. That's why this didn't make sense to me before. Where I live nothing ever dies off totally. We have mild winters, no snow and little frost. E.g. the plant of my peppers and aubergine looks dead in winter, but just sprouts again in spring. I also have kale and other cool weather crops growing throughout winter. So in this instance, soil and not just compost does get created with the BTE method, as there are constantly living roots in the soil. Am I understanding this correctly?
does Paul speak about the role of his trees in his garden in any of his videos voluntarily or does he neglects to mention their role all the time? If feels like in that (very short) phone conversation you had to push him to answer "Paul, would you admit there is something more than just no-till woodchips for ground cover and nutrient supply about your Back to Eden garden, but there are also trees that play important role"? :)
Hi, Maybe he would.. I talk to him for 1 hr and just gave you a very little bit of it.. Paul keeps things simple he does not even have a computer nor has watch himself on UA-cam. He might now because someone gave him one.
Hi Mark,
How are your peach trees doing? I ordered 2 apple and 2 peach from the site you recommend. All survived the winter and they are just starting to leaf out.
I am at the same point you are.. The peach tree will grow faster. Take a picture of it now and it will fill in twice the size branch wise in a year. THANK YOU.
ok, let's say I have my yard as i like it already. Can I introduce Mycorrhizal Fungi myself to increase health and growth ?
The BEST THING IS that it is there ALREADY. Just DO NOT dig or till the soil. You can scratch the surface to plant seeds, etc. No dot use chemicals of any kind.. THANK YOU.
Hi Mark, What are mushrooms grown in? I know I have seen videos of people who grow mushrooms and the first thing that happens is they get a web of the mycorizzae (SP) And then the mushrooms grow from that.. Maybe I am misunderstanding something. .........
Mushroom fungi is the ECTO type and Only 5 % of the plants on our plant use it. This type grows on the outside of the root and creates a ball type form in ground. Go to this link and look on the upper right hand corner at the pictures and types: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhiza. THANKS
Here is some more good information. Mushrooms are not fruit, vegetables or even plants. This is the link : www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=are+mushrooms+vegetables&*.
Hello Mark, I watched all your videos (in a row!) in the Back to Eden playlist (ua-cam.com/play/PLUKzcNTgpg9XhIWTn1aNkbdI3uqLjZI2W.html) . Wonderful, thank you!
One thing I don't remember you mentioning that I have heard and is emphasized in a link from a link you provided, is inoculation. If I am starting from overgrazed pasture (or worse) and planting Endomycorrhizal Plants (eg acacia), is it necessary to plant them with inoculant to get the entire process started? Or is that what the leaves/chips are providing initially?
Nature will provide you will the correct endo mycorrhizal on its own. Worms have it inside them. Birds carry it to your garden area on their feet. Etc. Just give it a living toot to grow from as a host. It will happen by itself. Enjoy.
Hi Mark,
Is grapevine roots qualifi as mycchorizhal fungi maker ?
Thanks
YES...perfect..THANKS