MORE Class Race Combos that could be EASY wins in Dragonflight! | Dragonflight Alpha Feedback
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
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In this video, Jesse discusses the new Class/Race combos being added in 10.0 and why Blizzard should a few more options that wouldn't require any additional assets, modelling or animatioon work including Lightforged Monks and multiple new Warlock race options!
00:00 Introduction
00:57 Lost Codex Lore videos
01:59 Start of Feedback: New Class Combos
03:09 Monks: Goblins/Worgen Monks not possible
04:32 Monks: Why can't Lightforged be monks?
05:45 Warlocks: Zandalari & Kul Tiras Human
06:51 Warlocks: Tauren and Highmountain Tauren?
08:06 Warlocks: Night Elf
08:52 Warlocks: Pandaren
10:06 Warlocks: Draenei
11:07 Who SHOULDN'T be Warlocks?
15:05 Closing Rambling
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What’re your thoughts on these “easy win” class combos? Would you like to see them added in 10.0 with Draenei Rogues, Tauren Mages and Orc Priests?
(Please note: I’m excluding Paladins, Druids and Shamans for a reason! They all require extra development time for assets and art so the premise of this video was to broaden the class list sooner without the additional assets!)
I really need Pandaren Druid in my life.
Imagine Pandaren Druids as Celestial Walkers
Tank form taking on the form of the Black Ox
Healer/Resto form taking on the aspects of the Red Crane
Feral taking on the form of the White Tiger
Balance form taking on the aspects of the Jade Serpent!
SO GOOD!
@@TheLostCodex that would be cool yea although they would have to make a lot of animations for all forms. Also I always associated the jade serpent with healing and red crane with ranged dps so I would say ranged dps gets crane also its a bird like the moonkin
@@god6384 Ya Agree, I think Crane would be a good Moon Beam DPS and Yuolon being a good healer. Just make the Tree Form Cooldown turn you in to a cherry blossom and you are GOLDEN lol
@@TheLostCodex To me serpent must be flying form, crane travel form. problem to pandaren druid is moonkin. Tree, we may imagine giant leprechaun (or to moonkin).
Love these styled videos as it means more Lost Codex! I know it would be quite the hassle to do, due to art assets, but I would love to see Orc Druids as a possibility in the near future. I could totally see the Tauren and Trolls teaching the Orcs in the ways of druidism and the orcs finding their own culture with it.
There are already Orcs that revere Goldrinn in Hyjal! We can totally build off of that in a satisfying way!
I really love the format of this video! A great way to condense down your thoughts and share through other forms of media :)
I do hope Blizzard release more race combos and I'm sure they will *at some point*. Race / Class combo restrictions can have -some- benefits lore wise but allowing players more options will always be best, arguably every race in lore can be whatever. No one is really tied down by constraints.
Great video! I support expanding the type of content you create. My favorites were always your reactions to new cinematics.
Nice change I really loved your new video and would like to see some more like that besides your god tier lore videos ofc :D
Loved this, would definitely watch more.
I would love to see more videos like this! And yes, definitely agreeing with Skoll, I would love to see Orc Druids!
Ok but Night Elf Paladin though.
Absolutely awesome video, loved the style and I like that you put in effort in your feedback, it's been great.
I think it's nice to see feedback from you guys because you do a good job summarizing topics that relate to casual content and RP that doesn't get alot of attention from most people in the community.
Gotta agree with Skoll on this, greatly enjoying this style of video. Gives us more to enjoy from you, Lost Codex! Personally the one race/class combo I would like to see added, though it would need some time to make a few needed assets for them (like mount), is Forsaken Paladin. Yes, I am well aware that there are plenty of folks who would hate it- but that's just another reason for getting them, hehehe >:)
Zandalari couldn't initially be Warlocks because they realized "oh shit Zandalari can be EVERY non-hero class". As for Kul Tirans, since they pulled out of the Alliance they haven't cared about everything else that has happened to the Alliance including the Legion. Also me and my bestie were very sore about no High Mountain Warlocks initially as it made HM Tauren inferior to their normal race counterparts with what classes they could be instead of a nice side-grade like the Nightborne which traded out the Night Elves' Druids for Warlocks. Night Elf Warlocks are just caster Demon Hunters lol.
Anyway, while initially there were lore reasons to prevent race/class combos, they are slowly integrating them and eventually they will all be playable because let's face it the player has been an exception that went against their people's beliefs for years such as how Draenei players are allowed to group up with Alliance Warlocks.
If I'm not mistaken, Eredar (Draenei) have had monks since back before they even left Argus. Sure they were a little different than Pandaren Monks, but it's just like Night Elves being druids and Gilneans being Harvest Witches. Since the Lightforged were/are a small elite sect of Draenei, it stands to reason that they SHOULD'VE had all the same classes.
Great video, and you know I'm always happy to see more TLC content! 🥳
loved the vid. something freeform and off the cuff wif lots of insight, and ofc, lore! wouldnt be a lost codex vid wifout it. please keep them coming! would love to hear moar discussion :)
Loved the Kalec old model tribute at the end, he will always be remembered
Pandaren Warlocks: Lorewalkers wanted to talk to a well traveled people and genuinely believed that nothing was truly evil, so they started speaking to and studynig demons while befriending them.
I-love-it.gif!
I want pandaren warlock to play destruction, to made a jade fire mage, not a true warlock. Like fire of Yu'lon, with green fire.
enjoyable content, thumbs up!
5:33 just put one on the vindicator had me in tears😂
The fact Kul tirans can't be paladins is insane to me personally.
Religion on kul'tiras is water, ocean, the sea, they don't have light religion. The have priest class to shadow, to make a tidesage, it's them priest on kul'tiras. they are priest, but, they use water to bless ship and seamen.
I want "kultiran race" to make a big, strong paladin. But he or she don't is kultiran, only a stromwind ou lordaeron human bigger.
We see ghosts of ancient Eredar Monks on Argus in Erebus. There’s no reason Lightforged shouldn’t be Monks in lore.
While the lore isnt 100% solid , and just for a "sake of argument" I would speculate that the reason Light forged cant become monks is due to the
""balance" of emotions required for being a monk.
The Lightforged are Zealots in there belief in the light. I think this would prevent them from harnassing the " balanced" nature of the monk.
I think he's just a joke, to make jedi reference, i think it's is a fanmade too.
Yes, new video style! Get it!
Recently discovered your channel, wish I had done so sooner. There's only a handful content creators left that haven't bathed in the drama of Blizzard etc. Was looking for a series to better understand the lore, beginning, mid, and 'now' if that makes sense, will have to dig in your channel I think!
Really appreciate hearing that! We dabble in mostly lore content - covering chronicle and ingame lore through visual storytelling B it every now and then we do content like this where we hope to impact/offer feedback on the game itself!
Stay tuned for more content like this soon!
@@TheLostCodex Thank you, you rock, love constructive feedback as opposed to 'the sky is falling' content, and you seem to have just that.
That's the thing about mag'har is if one became a warlock they would become green. We've seen it happen in game look at guldan.
I really really hope we get Zandalari Warlock at some point ^^
Fingers crossed for Nightborne druids and Blood Elf shaman ❤
This was fantastic.
I'd love to see a glyph video- using 1. Existing assets and part 2. New art (like that redditor who's been killing it with glyph concepts).
Loved this. I want more video's from you about things like this, or just feedback.
I think that the reason Light Forged Drani can not be monks is that they have the light in them, and that makes it "impossible" to be a "neutral" class.
*I* think that it makes sense, but *RP rules be RP rules*.
Players already do void lightforged. And ren'dorei light (priest). So today we can make quel'dorei with void elf.
There’s an important trifecta of classes that act as tells/markers of each race’s personalities/cultures, where they can choose two of them, but the nature of those two blocks off the third. I’m talking about Druid-Paladin-Warlock. This is because Druids respect nature, Paladins are righteous in their beliefs, and Warlocks are cruel. No monoculture can support all three at the same time:
1. Zandalari and regular Tauren are righteous and nature loving, so they can’t also be cruel without being hypocritical.
2. Humans, dwarves, and blood elves can be equally righteous and cruel, but prefer progress over nature.
3. Darkspear and Worgen are in tune with the cruelty of nature, so they don’t have the inner conviction to force their beliefs on others that paladins do.
So I’d say no Zandalari/Pandaren/LF Draenei/Draenei/Mag’har/Tauren Warlocks. However, there’s plenty of room for HM Tauren and Kul Titan Warlocks. Night Elf warlocks I’d err on saying no to, and either Broken/Krokuul or Eredar allied races would get Warlock (and arguably demon hunter too) in a heartbeat.
The monks as you say are a lack of coding issue or slight oversight.
I think its disingenuous to categorize a whole race by the these three tells/markers when we know that Warlocks are often the most power hungry of their race. In a world where Goblins were given Shaman and Vulpera were given Warlocks, it's a bit of an outdated stance since Blizzard has expressed a ton of interest in letting the players choose how they want to represent themselves in Azeroth.
We know Warlocks are the outcasts and 'freaks' of their people - forever damned to be judged by their allies for wandering down the path they took. A Zandalari Warlock, given how many Zandalari sided with Ghuun/Zul/Mueh'zala, is almost a no brainer in this regard. Tauren Grimtotem Warlocks exist outright, so why not player Tauren?
I won't go through the whole list but I think the point stands in my opinion. Blizzard has flat out said they will be giving most classes to most races so a wave of Warlocks is inevitable - I truly believe they wanted to introduce some lore-sprinklings in for them but the tone of the video was really meant to argue: They don't need to come up with a reason for these races turning to Warlockism because it wouldn't be a huge cultural movement in the same way the Tauren of Mulgore aren't opening a Wizarding Academy with the introduction of Tauren Mages!
The way I look at Warlocks is less as a racial-organization (Blood Knights, Druids of the Claw, Rangari) and more of an amalgamation of the darkest sorcerers from across the globe so a few stragglers of Tauren, Pandaren and hell, even Draenei doesn't seem as radical - creates diversity and intrigue with conflicting characters who go against what their people 'stand for' at point blank value!
Of course, if we do see these Warlocks, I'd love any bonus lore they write in for them!
I once made an eredar transmog on my draenei hunter main I go to goldshire quote whatever the eredar npcs usually say at other players and some players start losing their mines hahaha
But some players on the other hand are immediately beginning to duel me
Add in that a Maghar Orc that drank the kool aid to be a warlock would become an Orc.
Lightforged Death Knights and Forsaken ANY kind of Priest (including Shadow since apparently in the lore void and death mix like oil and water) kind of make your Warlock ban list moot.
I look at it this way
A LFD DK was a living Lightforged Draenei. He went and died. The Lich King infused his body with Domination Magic, and raised him with Necromancy. So he's still the shell of a LFD, his soul fractured and scarred, his body covered in light-based tattoos. But now instead of the warm radiance of a Naaru coursing through him, it's the chill of death.
Death Knights canonically need to inflict pain to survive (or did once upon a time) so a LFD DK could be this paragon of Death and Light - he can't call upon the light anymore but the runes on his arms and torso are still there, still burning.
Forsaken have always been able to wield the light at great personal injury, which is why the Cult of the FOrgotten Shadow became so important.
A Lightforged Draenei, with the power of a Naaru coursing him, wielding Fel magic would be two huge conflicting sources of power, with Holy Flesh wielding the corruptive powers of Demons. Now, thinking about it, if they added some flavor to LFD Warlocks, they could be Holy wielders who use Fel as a "Chained leash" to use the powers of their sworn enemy.
Maghar warlocks would just be Orcs. Kind of boring. I like the idea of them living up to their namesake and intentionally standing by that divergent point in history. Focus in on the cool Shadowmoon Magic instead!
@@TheLostCodex What I was referring to with LF DKs is if their body wouldn't disintegrate from the conflicting sources, neither would a LF Warlocks, which you alluded to in your discussion. When cosmic forces combine in one shell it is always messy, but bear in mind the Light and Fel are not opposites despite how potent a tool the Light is against the Fel. In fact sometimes it can be hard to track what is super effective against what in this cosmic scale of rock-paper-scissors. Just when you think you have it figured out something shakes it up. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a way for Light and Fel to mix in the same way for Shadow and Fel or Fire and Fel or Light and Death and all those nutty combos. While it would certainly be a huge cultural shock, I believe their bodies would physically be able to withstand it. After all a Human Mage needs not be fireproof to cast a fireball.
With the Forsaken, that lore of course was from before BfA, SL which apparently established Death as Void's kryptonite for some reason. On that logic the Void should reject an Undead host so violently it would have a similar painful effect to the Light.
As for Mag'har Warlocks, I look at it this way. Most Warlock races don't go green, as they show the restraint needed to not let the Fel taint them. Blood Elves and MU Orcs are exceptional cases, having directly consumed the Fel as a source to sate hunger in the former and as like steroids in the latter. A Mag'har Warlock could show the same restraint, with the distrust in the Fel allowing them from tapping too deeply into the power. This also could play into LF Warlocks, both races using the power externally but not internally. Besides there is always that old saying "fight fire with fire."
Panda druids based on the August Celestials when?
Lightforged definitely should have had monks. Telaamon (who was killed off in the leadup to the Dazar'alor raid) was a Jed'hinite who telegraphed all his monk attacks with anime style callouts.
Telaamon was not monk, he was Blademaster. The jed'hin was not lightforged, he was an eredar spirit.
Tauren, Draenei, Zandalari, Kul'Tiran, and Night Elf Warlocks should absolutely be a thing. I agree. I want them. Same with Lightforged Draenei Monks. And the Red and Grey Skinned Draenei/Eredar option would be epic and I want it so bad now.
I agree about those 2 restrictions.
I know you weren't talking paladins or druids, but Kul tirans, worgen, and forsaken should get paladins and humans should get druid.
Also if Demon Hunters ever opened up to other races, Void Elves Draenei, Darkspeae Trolls, and Zandalari Trolls should definitely be considered.
Finally if they ever decide to give Dracthyr other class options, I think Warrior, Mage, Rogue, Hunter, Druid, Shaman and maybe Warlock should definitely be options.
omg great comment/thought for draenei warlocks. 100% agreed on why orcs are able to be warlocks and not draenei. come on blizz!!!
The only way i'd be down for Lightforged warlocks would be if their demons were ALSO Lightforged. Similar to Lothraxion. But other than that, i think "Draenei" Warlocks should be exclusive to the Original Draenei.
...You know, if they went all out and customized LFD like that I'd be okay with it too. I love the idea of 'High Inquisitor Lightforged' wielding the fel like some sort of 'spiked chain', with the Demons they call also turned by the Naaru. Way more work than a mere class introduction but I LOVE that idea.
Affliction = Condemnation
Demonology = Conversion
Destruction = Righteousness
New talent tree names for LF D haa
I'm still a bit confused as to why Draenei and Light-forged Draenei can be Death Knights.
Fair question. There’s no reason a regular Draenei can be a DK. They are mortal (but long lived) and just like any race and if they can die, they can be reanimated.
For LFD, here’s how I view it: A LFD is a Draenei infused with the light. The radiant energy of the naaru course through them but like any light, it can still be extinguished. Their bodies become hollow shells with nothing but holy markings engraved on their flesh. Lich King comes along and pumps them full of necromantic energy. They become a twisted abomination of what they once were ; where the warm, radiant energy of the light once dwelled is now replaced with the cold, raw, rattling power of Undeath. Maybe their holy runes actually burn them when they fight (pain empowers a DK) so this clashing feud of cosmic powers probably makes extremely volatile and dangerous.
I Think at this point of the lore, that every race and class has been around eachother so long, they might as well be able to just any class for any races. If anyone wants to argue about "lore reasons" thats already been thrown out the window since Pandaria/Draenor. Nothing matters anymore & things got retcon
Honestly I'm curious about lore behind tauren rogues, mainly because how the hell does something that big successfully go stealth
Here's my thoughts on it!
Rogues do not always have to mean sneaky stealthy assassins, even if that's the baseline fantasy. For a sneaky, ninja, backstabber sure it's a silly idea but I like to imagine Scouts and Patrol-type characters fit into the rogue fantasy quite well. In the same way the Rangari troop from Draenor consisted of Draenei Hunters and Rogues as Scouts, Watchmen and Survivalists, I imagine Tauren fitting into the same category.
The Tauren were masters of the wild throughout Kalimdor. While the Mulgore/Bluff dwelling Tauren may have an open landscape, the Tribes in the dense jungles of Feralas may have relied on scouts and pathfinders to border their villages and lands and watch for threats. Despite their size, I imagine a Tauren who wants to be unseen in the jungle can quite easily do just that.
For the 'Pirate Yar-har' theme that fits some Rogues, Mr.Smite from the Deadmines is the perfect example!
Just my thoughts :)
Think for Zandalari Warlock it came down to the existing lore reasons of them having shown Zandalari Paladins existing in MoP and that Zandalari are supposed to abhor slavery, seeing it as a sign of weakness, which Warlock is all about enslaving demons to serve them. Conbine that with the fact that if they were to give both, Zandalari would have access to every non-hero class.. Yeah. I think the right call was made.
At the time, sure but surely you don't think that they should be locked from Warlocks now ?
The devs have said they'll be removing class race combos in the future as time goes on, so why not add Zandalari to the list of Warlocks now? The slavery-thing is a bit weird of an excuse since those who become Warlocks are all about power and control - so it wouldn't be impossible for power hungry Zandalari to turn to Warlockism!
@@TheLostCodex If it was just the former, sure. But I do honestly think the slavery thing with Zandalari was another major part and I honestly like that bit of flavor, regardless of if it is also about power and control, a good chunk also deals with bargaining with and enslaving demons that I just don't think gels with them.
Granted, if Blizzard decide otherwise, I'm not going to be up in arms about it, just if it was my call, I'd say nah, y'know?
Did you mention Undead Paladins?
Given the fact that Absol( what ever the UD priest name is) Can wield the Light, This isnt a stretch for me anymore.
I didn't - I feel the point of this video was missed on a LOT of people.
Blizzard has said they are adding many new race class combos after the 8 new ones in DF launch (Draenei Rogues, Tauren mages, etc). They said these will take time because of the art assets needed. Brand new Paladin chargers/ Shaman totems, Druid forms need to be made and things like Paladins and Shamans require a bit more lore to worrk into the story.
The point of this video was to add EASY wins to the Dragonflight launch - things that require no extra work for art or animation. LFD Monks is one. Any Warlock is another. Because all of the animations are in, Blizzard just has to code in to allow those races.
Everything else is beyond an easy win and was intentional excluded from the video! I'll cover those later :)
@@TheLostCodex Oh ya, for sure ( didnt know you planned an....expansion of the video)
I loved your video and totaly understand the "easy wins" You just got everyone hyped up and doing some fun speculative thinking of class combos too.
Excited for the expansion video! Keep up the great work!
Great pun! And apologies if I came off abrasive there - wasn't my goal. Just a note that I see a lot of people talking about class race combos not mentioned which sort of defeated the purpose of the video BUT I'm glad the video was well received and got people talking. I will 100% revisit the idea of "cool race combos" like new Paladins and Druids much later on!
I just want pandaren druid
Bring on the human druids pleasssssse
What is the intro music?
It’s from the original wow soundtrack “Legacy”. You hear it in game in Dwarven bunkers and sometimes taverns. Very common in Alterac Valley! We found it back in 2016 and thought it fit perfectly
@@TheLostCodex Thanks. I have been looking for it for a while, so hopefully this will lead me straight to it.
Undead Paladin! gogogo
Tauren Demon Hunter leggo
I'm surprised you didn't talk about multiple races that could easily be paladins.
The idea was to talk about race class combos that could be “easily” added to the 10.0 roster with mages rogues and priests. Where paladins differ from those those (and monks and warlocks) is that there’s additional art assets needed and further set up for lore needed (Paladin chargers, setting up the premise for Kaldorei or Forsaken paladins) that requires more development whereas as LFD monk can easily be “enabled” with a few clicks.
This video intentionally excluded paladins, Druids and shamans!
Worgen paladin, please! ^^
I lost alot of my steam with BfA when they changed Zandalari from being Warlocks, it was in an initial build if I remember right then was patched out. Incredibly disappointing and a loss of a cool Demoniac Idea.
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ok... maghar orc Paladins, or Goblin Paladins, i would play them to no ends
Cool ideas! Probably won't see those for a long time but in the meantime, but what do you think of the ones in the video? The "Easier to add" options?
@@TheLostCodex would obviously race change my panda monk into a goblin if they made goblin monks
You can have your Warlocks, just let me make a Forsaken Druid, and not just using the Dark Ranger customization on Night Elves, but like, full blown Forsaken. Rotting skeleton that in a new life, devotes their lives entirely to the preservation of life. They essentially have eternity to protect nature.
Cool idea!
The premise of the video wasn’t to dismiss other class combos or not cover others - it was to suggest “easy to implement” combos in the 10.0 prepatch. LFD Monks and Warlocks require no additional assets or animations while Druids, paladins, and shamans all require thats.
That’s the main reason we focused on warlocks and monks
@@TheLostCodex Oh, I understood that part. I fully agree with the video. I think this just opens up the potential for some really good theory-crafting and such about new potential race/class combos that could be fantastic
Agreed and i hope blizzard takes the time to focus on that in 10.1+!
Tons of Druid, Paladin and Shaman options to introduce!
The two classes which look to take up most time would be druid and monk. Monk as you mention would need animations added and druid for the different race forms. Paladin and Shaman should be pretty easy, totems shouldnt be too hard to design and implement - and paladins you just have to paladinify racial mounts by adding armor and some sparkling light up eyes. Me personally I want gnome shaman asap
Fortunately Lightforged Monks have all the animations necessary - they would just literally need to activate them in the character screen!
Goblin and Worgen models have 99% of the animations with Worgen being the worst offender for missing animations. Weirdly, Vulpera have the animations for Monks that Goblins are missing...but they share the same rig? Really odd.
Shamans would be cool and I think the next 'easy'; class to add with focus just on the Totem concepting, modelling and texturing.
Paladins and Druids would take the most. Fingers cross for 10.1!
Give me Forsaken Paladins please!
If we can be Priests we should be able to be Paladins!
Also Shamans, because I want tiny headstones as my totems haha.
Priest and paladin are not same thing. Priest call the light, the paladin is one with the light, he is imbued with it. Forsaken may call the light, but it's hard to him to become paladin. I dont think the npc is serious thing, it's a wotlk or catacysm npc, extensions full bullshit lore and idiot jokes.
Give worgan paladin for the allaince
I agree but those require assets and some work!
For now, lets get Warlocks and LFD monks added to the roster >:)
@@TheLostCodex that wont work
Why not though?
Paladins require new charger/mounts to be added, so Worgen Paladins is not an 'easy add'.
But like Draenei Rogues or Tauren Mages, LFD Monks or other Warlocks are a free win . The animations exist and there's no reason they can't be added alongside the new Rogues, new Priests and new Mages!
Zandalari Warlocks. As there should be from day 1 of Battle For Azeroth.
I think it's less that Mag'Har would hate and hunt down Warlock, and it would be more: A Mag'Har Orc Warlock, would just turn into a greenskin Orc
I think "conically" its not Fel that turned orcs green, it was that smallpox disease - I could be wrong and mean no disrespect with my comment :)
@@commandershepard7728 Shepard Commander o7
I think I see where you are coming from but you may have got it a little turned around in your head :)
The Orcs that got infected with the Smallpox disease did not join on the invasion of Azeroth and stayed behind on Draenor(Outland), therefore they never drank the demon blood and didn't get corrupted by fel. This means their skin never turned green and these are the Mag'Har we find on Outland including Garrosh.
Hope that made sense! :)
@@avocado4883 Yea thank you for the correction I did have it turned around! lol
Where are the Nightborne druids 🥺
The point of the video was to add to the “easy to implement classes on 10.0” D:!
Nightborne Druids require all new forms and assets! That’ll take time!
VOID ELVES PALADINS ! C'mon
They can be holy priests.. they can be warriors.......................
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next expansion they should do 4th spec for all classes, geomancer tank shaman, necromancy warlock with lich form aka dark apotheosis and blood magic as a tank spec, ranged dps monk red crane loremaster, rogue minstrel spec, inquisitor paladin spec ranged dps like shockadin and spells like holy shock and exorcism, chronomancer mage healer, conjurer hunter with mana bar and arcane shot and some support healing remeniscence of shadow hunters and priestess of the moon can use both melee and ranged like in classic wow, ... just a few ideas it could give many classes more variety in roles and seeing as guardian druid and most people sticking to their main I can see this being something very succesfull for getting players back into the game and just imagine all these combinations with the new race class combinations. The amount of new variety in arena and the game in general will be amazing
While I love the idea of expanding classes, a 4th spec may be too much - balancing is already a constant rollercoaster every expansion and adding 13 new specializations to balance in a single expansion would be a NIGHTMARE.
But I do have an idea that is similar to yours: Class skins. Imagine a type of unlockable content through quests and story that introduces reworked spell visuals/animations for all classes! This could involve Race-Specific Class Skins like "Sunwalkers" that changed the appearance/icons/visuals of Paladins, Priests, Mages and Druids for Tauren/High Mountain Tauren! Avenging Wrath becomes "Wrath of An'she", Pyroblast takes on a more fiery, eagle-spirit shape while 'Shadow Priest' is adapted to become a 'Living embodiment' of the Sun (shadow form= fire form, shadow-fiend = eyes of An'she)
Imagine a Necromancer Class skin not just for Warlocks but Death Knights and Shadow Priests too!
The idea may seem less fun than whole new class-specs but the reality is balancing and developing a whole class (and the visuals) is a huge, unerealistic expectation. But updating the visuals and letting people choose "What kind of Paladin" or "What variant of Shaman" they want to be would be a huge success.
If you like the idea, go to our reddit account (/u/thelostcodex) and look back on two of our class posts. We did a huge post covering "Class Skins for Paladins" and "Class Skins for other Classes) and we include a ton of images and pictures to help sell the idea!
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Here's why Mag'har should be Warlocks.
These aren't the same Mag'har as the ones in Outland. They don't have the same history with Fel magic as the MU Mag'har do. They had a brush with it, but not the civilization-destroying, world-breaking trauma that the Outland Mag'har experienced. Calling them Mag'har i.e. "uncorrupted" is a bit of a stretch. Most of their people were uncorrupted. Being uncorrupted is not really a distinguishing feature for them.
Unless:
They mean something else by "uncorrupted". It isn't the Fel that they consider themselves uncorrupted from, but the Light. They are Mag'har because they haven't been "corrupted" by the Lightbound. That's what distinguishes them from the rest of their people.
And that's why they should be Warlocks but never Paladins.
I disagree. While "Uncorrupted" could be a indicator to the Light (even though many of them were turned into Lightbound), the reason this group is even a thing is because of the prevention of Fel-Blood being introduced to them. Sure, some like Kilrogg drank but they joined the Legion.
They wiped out every Fel-user in Tanaan jungle after we left and prided themselves on the fact they were no coerced or corrupted (by Gul'dan) but that later became a stepping stone for their resistance to the Light.
Mag'har Warlocks are just Orc Warlocks and it's a weird pointless barrier to break. Vice versa, if it's a weird pointless barrier, why not just let them be Warlocks? But their history is a time-altered one that is bound on Orcish principles, whereas Lightforged Warlocks goes against their physical beings.
Agree to disagree I suppose!
Heh, if Mag'har were warlocks they wouldn't be Mag'har anymore, since their skin would turn green!
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As a roleplayer that reskinned a Pandaren Mage into a warlock...I feel like laving people to freely chose their class like this could be cool but also really bland. Lemme explain:
Players have been playing with this "rare" lore class ideas for years already, so giving those to them mechanically would be amazing! It would finally fulfill the fantasy! Yet it would also take away from the "rarity" of it all. Now we have to be sneaky and smart with out mog and character lore to explain why a pandaren or a kaldorei or a tauren would be a warlock, but as soon as it becomes available to everyone? That's just the new status quo. Why freak out when the peaceful tauren explodes spikes of fel out of the ground? That's just normal now!
I stan for more customizations and more fun combos! But making odd and "forbidden" classes avalaible to play would ruin some of the magic, at least for roleplayers. In lore the idea of pandarn mages was also absurd at the start, magic is what shattered the world, so practicing it is bad! Right? Yet as soon as that option became necessary for gameplay pandaren mages weren't just supported but revered. Where's the fun in that!
So allowing certain "rare" class/race combinations should be either accompanied by lore that explains that this class/race combo is still forbidden in lore, or not give them to us at all...
Gnome Pala/Shaman plz.... Goblin Shaman already did not make much sense, damn drill tech totems. Why not steam Gnome tech totems. I think is really lazy of Blizz to just do Taurens/Draenei/Orc Mage Priest Rogue. Should of did Monk/Warlock/Pala if anything along side the other three. They have Microsoft to pool resources from, and that new smaller company team joining wow team. Its honestly dumb, that hearthstone gets a Gnome Paladin before the main game. Shamans/Druids/Demon Hunters are the harder classes to make for everyone, from design to lore implications. The fact the Paladin place in E plague has Orc/Undead paladins, shows you, all you have to have is the will to follow the light and path of the paladin, and someone to teach you. Same for warlock and Monk. Shamanism/Druidism seem to be only for certain people, but with new ele lore in DF, and Us bonding with the Winter Queen, why wouldnt she reward access to druidism for all, as a reward for helping Ardenweald. But DH, gotta find a reason why others would want to burn out their eyes, and constantly be combating invasive evil lustful thoughts to consume for power.
Why is it lazy?
Mages/Priest/Rogue require no additional assets, no additional animations and absolutely zero justification for the lore so they can easily just 'turn on' the race options for those class.
Paladins, Shamans, Druids all require work - they require art concepts, modeling, texturing, animation rigging and some lore justification. They flat out said in the interview "More race class combos will be coming but those require "more resources" so it's quite clearly on their agenda.
The team has been expanded massively over the last 2 years and there's folks working on 10.1 already before DF is finished - for all we know those classes are being worked on. But don't call it lazy when we've no idea the true amount of work that goes into that kind of stuff?
This video had one single purpose: show Blizzard that LFD Monks and Warlocks are an easy win for 10.0 since like Rogues, Mages and Priests, they have the animations ready to go!
A little patience and who knows - maybe we'll see Gnome Paladins soon!
@@TheLostCodex They are a multi million dollar company that now is even bigger. With one of the largest companies in the world. And yet, "they dont have the time or resources" its bs. They are lazy, just like they were too lazy to give gobs/worgen LF Drae monks. Only thing really needed for Pala is a small amount of animations, and mounts, which are just racial mounts with pala armor. Hence they are being lazy.
@@TheLostCodex I do know how much work goes into stuff. I also Blizz has been being lazy and cutting content being lack luster since WoD, had a small spike at Legion only to spike it down again with laziness of BfA SL. Sightning lore reasons for restrictions is lazy, because NPCs already exist that break those lore restrictions, so NPCs get more player agency than the player? I call that lazy.
@@TheLostCodex me, "I wanna be orc paladin"
Blizz: " we cant do that. Lore reasons"
Mean while in Eastern Plaguelands Orc Paladins are a thing....
The only classes that need lore justification is druid/sham/Demon hunter. Thats why I say them saying its lore reasons, is purley lazy.
You have clearly no understanding on how game design works nor how work/pipeline priority is distributed in any company. "Multi-million-dollar-company" means nothing when they don't have an infinite number of devs, artists, modellers and more.
The team is in the middle of cranking out the LARGEST expansion (bigger than Northrend) to date and with that comes a ridiculous amount of development work. To say they're being 'lazy' because the artists who are working on Dragonflight rewards instead of Paladin mounts is absolutely insane and laughable, my guy.
No matter the precedent on 'lore' like the one Orc Paladin in the Argent Crusade, they're still not just going to give Orcs Paladins without a proper introduction, much like they gave Tauren Paladins an opening via Sunwalkers.
A single or few NPC's of one class that players can't be don't have to worry about racial mounts, racial forms, totems, animations or anything else. They can simply exist without much effort - adding that for players?
A whole-ass different case. It's pointless to explain since you clearly have the toxic mindsight of 'Game devs are lazy because they aren't doing the thing I want' but you cannot even fathom what they have on their plate/workload right now to get the next content out there.
That and you missed the point of the video entirely - I'm not against your class race ideas but I'm also reasonable to not expect them when they're in the middle of finishing up a huge burst of content.
Im a tauren fanboy. Tauren paladin was extremely stupid...Tauren mage ? Tauren Rogue ? What else satan put in blizzards brain ?... TAUREN WARLOCK ?!?!?!?!?! you read that in the satanic bible didnt you ?
If you were a Tauren fanboy, you could easily justify the classes!
Don’t see the Paladin or mage or rogue as the default WC3 human units.
Tauren Paladin are Sunwalkers, worshippers of their Sun God and Warriors wielding the fiery power of An’she.
Tauren rogues are Pathrunners and wildstalkers - the grimtotem in Feralas have stealthed jungled units and light-Armored classes exist among the Tauren (Longrunners)
Tauren mages are an easy win - masters of the primal elements with a focus on the ancient leylines beneath the earth. Instead of prescribing to Shamanism, a Tauren can easily study ancient arcane runes.
Instead of blaming Satan, maybe broaden your mind :)
When i hear Paladin i imagine Silver hand.
When i hear mage i imagine kirintor in dalaran.
When i hear Rogue i imagine a robber and an assassin.
How could any Tauren fit in any of hmthose groups of people ?
A tauren wearing wizard robes stufying in the Dalaran archives ? A Tauren praying at the lost hope chappel ? A Tauren wielding daggers and quietly assassinating an enemy ? Makes 0 sense.
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Just ti make this clear your contents are very enjoyable and i like them alot. This is just a diffrence in opinion and point of view i mean no offence :D
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not a fan of them just adding a bunch of combinations, it goes against the lore of the game
Which class combos are you against?
The ones adding in 10.0 (Draenei/Tauren Rogues, Tauren Mages, HMT Priests and Orc Priests) all have existing plausibility in the lore whereas Lightforged Warlocks or Mag'har Warlocks kind of breaks the lore, I agree!
Which are you not a fan of?
@@TheLostCodex some of the ones in 10.0 i'm not that much a fan of actually, like with tauren/draenei rogues they're generally known to be moral creatures and wouldn't want to be resort to the means rogues use (similar to argument for warlocks, not to mention how big tauren are), tauren mages i don't think they really like destructive magics, orcs were corrupted and also kind of destructive so i don't think they would want to turn towards the light (not to mention the paladin order being made specifically to kill them), not to say that these aren't possible it just feels kinda out of character for them
outside of that undead druids/shamans, goblin paladins (greedy conniver acting as noble warrior of the light), warlock combos you mentioned, and more either they would need to break or heavily bend the lore to make sense (or maybe make new lore, like for drustvar druids, tauren pallys)
this type of videos is definetly not for you. You basically said nothing and kept repeating yourself
I'd like to think we provided some information, no?
Monk animations for LFD are complete and ready to go - so why not add?
Warlock animations exist for all classes so I broke down the list with some in-lore examples but focusing on the KEY POINT: These are easy wins for the team to implement without much development time. The Warlock example was all ONE example "They're outcasts, so what's the harm?"
Can you give some feedback on what you didn't like or what you think didn't work beyond "You said nothing" because I definitely say some stuff :)