I recommend using the eras gone Richmond labs bullet. I love using flat based paper cartridges, when measured properly they seat perfectly and nothing gets sheared or lost (also makes unloading easier). I highly recommend the Eras gone bullet for the cartridges, they have a heel that attaches to the paper without making a bulge that interferes with proper seating in the chamber. Thank you for the video, we need more content like this on UA-cam.
I have seen some video on them and they look great but they have been out of stock for the last few month. I intended to buy one as soon as they’re available.
Flat bottom paper cartridges will give consistency of powder charge resulting in better accuracy. That is super great shooting by the way, congratulations.
Another factor to consider is chamber length. Duelist1954 has shown that different makers have been using different chamber lengths with Pedersoli having one of the longer ones. Simply making a cartridge from a commercial former could end up with a cartridge that either has to jump into the rifling or if seated, leaves a gap for the cap spark to jump. Not good for consistency. Measure the chamber and make a cartridge that fits yours.
That looks like an Armi Sport (Chiappa). I really like those, but they have their quirks. Mine is the cartridge conversion 1863 (cimarron Mcnelly carbine) version in 45-70 and the chamber is about .430" longer than it needs to be. It seems like the same problem as this percussion gun and the solution is the same idea, if I add a thick wad to my 55 grain carbine load, i can crimp the Lee 459405 conical at the second lube groove. It looks funny like a giant 22 LR but it takes up that free space between the projectile driving bands and the end of the chamber.
I have an I.A.B. made example in.45 cal with the correct bullet mould. Unfortunately I used lead that was not pure lead and the bullets were too hard, which I believe increased the pressure in the breach, resulting in gas erosion on the rear surface of the barrel. Something to look out for.
the problem was not the paper cartridge it was the amount of black powder in the paper cartridge, it was most likely to low making the carbine inefficient, still love the video !
I have a 50 cal shiloh 1863 sharp carbine I use paper cigarettes cartridge pretty accurate and reliable , black powder has compress to work ! I can't see loose powder working !
I have the Pedersoli. It takes a hundred grains of 3F to fill the chamber if I shoot it by loading powder and bullet. I make the Eras gone bullets. That does work great, but I don't want to waste all that powder (I did this way before seeing this video). So, I have to use filler. That means a paper cartridge of some kind as far as I can figure. Or...are you putting the filler in directly too? Then the powder behind it? If so, I assume that only works if you move the piece very little and shoot it right after loading. That wouldn't work on a hunt where you were climbing crawling and scraping your way to your game would it? wouldn't the filler mix in with powder? Has anyone ever tried this and left the gun loaded for a time? I'd love to know. Mine also suffers from poor ignition (now I am not a novice to flintlocks, been shooting them since about 19 and 74.) Started shooting cap and ball revolvers around 15 years ago. Got my Sharps around 5 years ago. Have never had a problem I couldn't figure out before...Until I go this Sharps. I have to take a little powder from the sheered off cartridge and drop it down the cone to get it to fire. It seems like weak caps but I've tried them all. I have made nitrated flat bottom cartridges but it wont set them off regularly! I've lost interest in it because, for me it has been NO fun to shoot.
So….An 1863 Shiloh Sharps .54 will top off with about 120 grains. Is loading 70 or 80 and leaving that much air space gonna affect an 800 yard shot? Should be using measured corn filler or something before dumping the powder in? Or corn topping a paper cartridge? Thoughts?
If I just load loose, it takes about 100 grains of powder to fill up the chamber. Are you using that much powder or are you putting a filler in between the bullet and the powder?
This gun should be used with metal cartridges, I don't know how they are called in english, in practise these are brass cartridges without the primer, only the open canal.
@@Everythingblackpowder Yes, for some reason UA-cam deleted my last post with links to the Polish shop with this gun and proper special brass, that contains the valve.
@@Everythingblackpowder There is link to video from people that run the Saguaro Arms shop in Poland and they use brass, I mentioned. ua-cam.com/video/yyH5m6n-wqU/v-deo.html
I checked out the link you had up here. When I came back to thank you for posting it it had disappeared. UT tricks? anyway thanks for the link. very interesting
Have you tried using Zigzag rolling papers? I have used them in my revolver. Not real sure if they would work with a rifle diameter in that size. Just thought it was worth mentioning.
You’re doing the lords work with that little carbine. They are a lot of fun. So are the Smith carbines. Antique predecessors to the M4… I do think you sweep the muzzle over your friends and cameramen pretty regularly. Or maybe it just appears that way…
Not sure on your take, I am running the Pedersoli Shaps 45/70, 32 inch barrel sporting 1863 model. I am assuming, more than likely the breach loading system is exact the same. I have been told 2 things about shooting them. (1) one by a gun smith, who said like you, drop the bullet in the breach top up with 30,50, 70, measure or a full BP load, it would take near 100 Grains or so of BP, close the breach cap it of and "BANG." Although I could use a little rice to pack it out if you want smaller loads behind the bullet. (2) another person said, yes it will work but the rubber O ring, will blow out within a few shots. Whats your take. Never shot it, I still have about 10 Brass shells which hold about 55 grains of BP. And 380 grain bullet. Any advice would be good. Which would you go for on the options ?
@@Everythingblackpowder 30 grains of powder; using black powder would not be that good with such a big Cal and heaverier bullet. I was refering to my comment regards black powder use!! I have about 385 grain lead bullets same system as you have, but my one is .45+ cal I have brass shells which hold about 55/57 grain from Pedersoli for this rifle. using about 2ff home made BP. so logicaly following your idea droping the bullet in, loading up with some rice,or other filler, following by about 65 to 70 grains I would basically be copying you. Is yours a Pedersoli rifle, if so, the system breach wise is exact the same except difference cal aspects/size. But not sure if you know, but the rifles are proofed to smokless powder, that information comes stright from Pedersoli own test Proofing house, as a point of interest ! Happy post up the results. I am confused as to why you said you would not try it, clearly in the film your have. 🤔 or have I just missed something here !!
@@Everythingblackpowder HAHAHH thanks thats put that question to sleep. thanks again. Power to you Bro!! I did top my rifle up once never fired it. but it held a 100 grainof BP. that would give good punch in the shoulder hah.. But You were correct. OPPS!!
Make a paper cartridge but you need powder with bigger granulation, then filled full cartridge and measure the powder by weight. With big granulation you have more volume but less weight of powder. ua-cam.com/video/tieDzxe-hiw/v-deo.html
I just got an 1863 sharps rifle. Took about 30 caps to get one round of loose ammo to fire. Spark is getting through the channel, but maybe not enough? Any suggestions?
@@Everythingblackpowder haha!!!!my bad!! i am used to shooting cartridge sharps and out of habit i watch the hammer everytime somebody drops the block!
I have something for you you will be like eee what..... in my Country Poland we can buy a sharp's like that what use 45-70 up to 45-120 BUT wait they are NOT paper cartrige and they are NOT normal amunition in order to avoide Legal bla bla in Poland they create bras case like 45-70 but with out primer at the end primer is prucation cup but in place of primer is a chrome small ball who act like cap .... well you will need to see it it's something that you never have sean before :)
I recommend using the eras gone Richmond labs bullet. I love using flat based paper cartridges, when measured properly they seat perfectly and nothing gets sheared or lost (also makes unloading easier). I highly recommend the Eras gone bullet for the cartridges, they have a heel that attaches to the paper without making a bulge that interferes with proper seating in the chamber. Thank you for the video, we need more content like this on UA-cam.
I have seen some video on them and they look great but they have been out of stock for the last few month. I intended to buy one as soon as they’re available.
I had no idea they sold out that quick, dang…
@@benjaminjarrett9816 yeah, they hope to have them back in stock sometime in January
@@Everythingblackpowder Try Tom at Accurate Molds, he's got a similar mold Cat 55-467H. Nice shooting and good Video.
@@megladon89 thank you!
The very first firearm that I shot was a Sharps. It was my dad's. That was way back in 1975. Both are long gone now. I sure miss that rifle.
Flat bottom paper cartridges will give consistency of powder charge resulting in better accuracy.
That is super great shooting by the way, congratulations.
Thank you
Linen cartridges are able to stand rough handling and have a nitraded flat paper wrapping.
Like boys in a toy store! 😂
Sharps is one of my favorites in the 1800s time period, along with the Spencer, Henry, and Springfield breechloader. 🥰😍🤩
Another factor to consider is chamber length. Duelist1954 has shown that different makers have been using different chamber lengths with Pedersoli having one of the longer ones. Simply making a cartridge from a commercial former could end up with a cartridge that either has to jump into the rifling or if seated, leaves a gap for the cap spark to jump. Not good for consistency. Measure the chamber and make a cartridge that fits yours.
I am impressed. Great off hand shooting by the way…
Thank you!
Loved it. I had an 1861. It got stolen. Never fired. You done good there.
I feel for you about giving it back. Always wanted a bp sharpes
That looks like an Armi Sport (Chiappa). I really like those, but they have their quirks. Mine is the cartridge conversion 1863 (cimarron Mcnelly carbine) version in 45-70 and the chamber is about .430" longer than it needs to be. It seems like the same problem as this percussion gun and the solution is the same idea, if I add a thick wad to my 55 grain carbine load, i can crimp the Lee 459405 conical at the second lube groove. It looks funny like a giant 22 LR but it takes up that free space between the projectile driving bands and the end of the chamber.
I have an I.A.B. made example in.45 cal with the correct bullet mould.
Unfortunately I used lead that was not pure lead and the bullets were too hard, which I believe increased the pressure in the breach, resulting in gas erosion on the rear surface of the barrel.
Something to look out for.
My IAB Sharps measures .556 inches in the bore, so .535 bullets are useless, I have been using .562 round balls and they shoot well.
Smart!
I really, really, really want one of those!
the problem was not the paper cartridge it was the amount of black powder in the paper cartridge, it was most likely to low making the carbine inefficient, still love the video !
Impressive. Your are a great shot
Thank you
great conclusions!! good job!!
Thank you
Great video. Thank you
Didn't suck! haha, Learned a couple more things today. Thanks, Mike.
Thank you
Great video , certainly didn't suck...... now about fixing other people's guns, I've got this 1860 army............
Man that’s awesome. I’m looking to buy one. Just started doing a little research on it.
They’re a lot of fun
Nice video. I really enjoyed it.
Thank you
Use Hahn tubes with a Moose molds ringtail bullet with 43 grs of 3f GOEX. Works like a champ for me in my Shiloh 63 Sharps
I have a 50 cal shiloh 1863 sharp carbine I use paper cigarettes cartridge pretty accurate and reliable , black powder has compress to work ! I can't see loose powder working !
Don’t believe your lying eyes
You don't have to compress the powder much
I have the Pedersoli. It takes a hundred grains of 3F to fill the chamber if I shoot it by loading powder and bullet. I make the Eras gone bullets. That does work great, but I don't want to waste all that powder (I did this way before seeing this video). So, I have to use filler. That means a paper cartridge of some kind as far as I can figure. Or...are you putting the filler in directly too? Then the powder behind it? If so, I assume that only works if you move the piece very little and shoot it right after loading. That wouldn't work on a hunt where you were climbing crawling and scraping your way to your game would it? wouldn't the filler mix in with powder? Has anyone ever tried this and left the gun loaded for a time? I'd love to know. Mine also suffers from poor ignition (now I am not a novice to flintlocks, been shooting them since about 19 and 74.) Started shooting cap and ball revolvers around 15 years ago. Got my Sharps around 5 years ago. Have never had a problem I couldn't figure out before...Until I go this Sharps. I have to take a little powder from the sheered off cartridge and drop it down the cone to get it to fire. It seems like weak caps but I've tried them all. I have made nitrated flat bottom cartridges but it wont set them off regularly! I've lost interest in it because, for me it has been NO fun to shoot.
Sorry to hear that. Are you interested in selling it?
Hi Guys, great pictures and Landscape, i learned a lot, 35 Grain also for the 200 Yeards ?
greetings from a Bavarian Sharp Shooter
ever tried the Richmond bullet ?
i think your conclusions are most probably correct. Nice offhand shooting
So….An 1863 Shiloh Sharps .54 will top off with about 120 grains. Is loading 70 or 80 and leaving that much air space gonna affect an 800 yard shot? Should be using measured corn filler or something before dumping the powder in? Or corn topping a paper cartridge? Thoughts?
If I just load loose, it takes about 100 grains of powder to fill up the chamber. Are you using that much powder or are you putting a filler in between the bullet and the powder?
Grits
This gun should be used with metal cartridges, I don't know how they are called in english, in practise these are brass cartridges without the primer, only the open canal.
Interesting, I’m not familiar with those. Is it something like the smith carbine uses?
@@Everythingblackpowder Yes, for some reason UA-cam deleted my last post with links to the Polish shop with this gun and proper special brass, that contains the valve.
@@Everythingblackpowder There is link to video from people that run the Saguaro Arms shop in Poland and they use brass, I mentioned.
ua-cam.com/video/yyH5m6n-wqU/v-deo.html
@@Qwertypp10 thank you
I checked out the link you had up here. When I came back to thank you for posting it it had disappeared. UT tricks? anyway thanks for the link. very interesting
All my videos suck that's why I'm watching yours
😂
Nice!
Thank you!
Have you tried using Zigzag rolling papers? I have used them in my revolver. Not real sure if they would work with a rifle diameter in that size. Just thought it was worth mentioning.
Not for this rifle
In Deutschland gibt es Messingpatronen die mit Pulver gefüllt werden und dem Projektiel
You’re doing the lords work with that little carbine. They are a lot of fun. So are the Smith carbines. Antique predecessors to the M4… I do think you sweep the muzzle over your friends and cameramen pretty regularly. Or maybe it just appears that way…
Get bent.
Video damned sure didn't suck thanks.
👍👍👍👍
what is you bullet weight? and are you using more powder at longer ranges than the 35 grs you mentioned?
Not sure on your take, I am running the Pedersoli Shaps 45/70, 32 inch barrel sporting 1863 model. I am assuming, more than likely the breach loading system is exact the same. I have been told 2 things about shooting them. (1) one by a gun smith, who said like you, drop the bullet in the breach top up with 30,50, 70, measure or a full BP load, it would take near 100 Grains or so of BP, close the breach cap it of and "BANG." Although I could use a little rice to pack it out if you want smaller loads behind the bullet. (2) another person said, yes it will work but the rubber O ring, will blow out within a few shots. Whats your take. Never shot it, I still have about 10 Brass shells which hold about 55 grains of BP. And 380 grain bullet. Any advice would be good. Which would you go for on the options ?
I can’t say. I wouldn’t be afraid to try either one
@@Everythingblackpowder 30 grains of powder; using black powder would not be that good with such a big Cal and heaverier bullet. I was refering to my comment regards black powder use!! I have about 385 grain lead bullets same system as you have, but my one is .45+ cal I have brass shells which hold about 55/57 grain from Pedersoli for this rifle. using about 2ff home made BP. so logicaly following your idea droping the bullet in, loading up with some rice,or other filler, following by about 65 to 70 grains I would basically be copying you. Is yours a Pedersoli rifle, if so, the system breach wise is exact the same except difference cal aspects/size. But not sure if you know, but the rifles are proofed to smokless powder, that information comes stright from Pedersoli own test Proofing house, as a point of interest ! Happy post up the results. I am confused as to why you said you would not try it, clearly in the film your have. 🤔 or have I just missed something here !!
Yes you missed something 😉 I said I wouldn’t be afraid to try it. This rifle is made by armi sport. And can’t hold more than about 50gr
@@Everythingblackpowder HAHAHH thanks thats put that question to sleep. thanks again. Power to you Bro!! I did top my rifle up once never fired it. but it held a 100 grainof BP. that would give good punch in the shoulder hah.. But You were correct. OPPS!!
Make a paper cartridge but you need powder with bigger granulation, then filled full cartridge and measure the powder by weight. With big granulation you have more volume but less weight of powder. ua-cam.com/video/tieDzxe-hiw/v-deo.html
I would like to know if the front driving band of your bullet fits into the bore of your muzzle.
Great vid. What mfg is the rifle?
I believe it’s an Army San Marco
I just got an 1863 sharps rifle. Took about 30 caps to get one round of loose ammo to fire. Spark is getting through the channel, but maybe not enough? Any suggestions?
How was the trigger on the sharps . Easy or hard ?
It’s on the heavier side of things. Maybe 10lb pull
@@Everythingblackpowder same as mine
Honestly it doesn't make any sense, paper cartridge worked well back in the day.
and you just closed the block on a dropped hammer. guaranteed the firing pin is bent now.
it doesn’t have a firing pin. I guarantee
@@Everythingblackpowder haha!!!!my bad!! i am used to shooting cartridge sharps and out of habit i watch the hammer everytime somebody drops the block!
@@rt000r no worries
I have something for you you will be like eee what..... in my Country Poland we can buy a sharp's like that what use 45-70 up to 45-120 BUT wait they are NOT paper cartrige and they are NOT normal amunition in order to avoide Legal bla bla in Poland they create bras case like 45-70 but with out primer at the end primer is prucation cup but in place of primer is a chrome small ball who act like cap .... well you will need to see it it's something that you never have sean before :)