If I remember correctly, this series was a massive bot diff. Faker was right. It wasn’t Malz who’s beating them. It’s him low-key saying that “Yow Bang, keep your sht together”.
malzhar with an unclenseable point click on ult was not OP back then? lmao. shit can wave clear just having voidstafff back then that's why riot nerf the shit out of that champion after worlds
@@legaldrumprogrammer1685 Actually he got buffed immediately after worlds. "Patch Information: v7.18 with Ornn disable" "V7.22 Stats Base health increased to 537 from 525. Health growth increased to 87 from 75. V7.19 Void Swarm Void Swarm Bug Fix: Voidlings are no longer missing attack on-hit VFX." Malzahar received 2 buffs. He didn't get nerfed until 7.24.
They lost because the meta was "protect the adc" and Bang inted the entire finals. This was way back when everyone considered Bang to be the 3rd or 4th best adc (PraY was the other), behind Deft and Uzi. This series put Ruler and CoreJJ on the map. They were better off banning Tristana so Bang couldn't int on her.
@@lukanni4757 If Malzahar was the reason they lost that series then why did crown go into depression and thought he didn't deserve to win worlds? Surprised people care that much from Spica and Huni. Didn't Bjergsen reveal he played more soloq in a week than the rest of the team combined heading into playoffs? If I had to guess they wouldn't blame the lack of practice as the reason they lost.
He solo carried nothing he got caught like several times and cost his team barons, not only bang played bad lol, delusional faker fanboys he got gapped every single game
2017 Worlds. If I recall correctly, Faker was actually 1v9 the whole time throughout whole tournament after group stage. (Against MSF and RNG). It was then against SSG, they made sure Mid was neutralized with 3 games of Malzahar and naturally you ended up with 2 winning lanes ( top / bot ) with a neutralized mid lane. Faker was constantly receiving attention from CoreJJ and Ambition with Crown (Malzahar) just pressing the R-Button.
His champ that worlds was galio definetly 1v9 other champs was average but in that final game he got karma duty so... auto lost imo no idea why they couldnt let him play a carry kinda insane
@@UFInstinct imo, prolly the meta read of skt coaching staff. they'd prefer the mid lane pick with the utility or global pressure kind of attribute on a champ. but I also think that putting faker on carry duty would make a difference.
@@jsir5241 the problem with Faker getting stuck with utility champs is that they would be fotced to rely even more on Bang... and we all know that 2017 Worlds Bang is low Gold - high Silver
It's not just Malz, It's the combo of Malza and Zac which SSG picked 2 times, so Malz enables all types of ganks to Zac who counters rlly hard a Cass since he can jump to your face from any unexpected side of the map AND one of the most important things is that you can't play that aggressive as Cass for that reason too, so you can't all in. I remember that Cass in that season was very frequently used to counter Malz since she was very strong at the time and could afford an early Qss and still win the matchup, but Qss doesn't matter if then a Zac is jumping to your face or you can't win lane by trading, so yeah you could say that baning Malz was the whole point to shuting down that strat since he's the enabler, but I don't think the Malz pick stands for himself too. Idk who of SSG said this, but he said that he knew that in order to win against Faker was by not laning against him. Yeah... Faker in that Worlds was really scary and by far the best mid in the world, you just have to watch SKT vs RNG.
Faker tried ryze, karma, and cass, and lost all 3 games to malzahar. The malz zac synergy was good but it wasn’t necessary. We have to remember that malzahar dominated solo queue for weeks after this series was over. Crown said in an interview that they determined in their scrims leading up to the finals that malzahar was an op pick. In Crowns words, “you could lose the lane, but you will not lose the game” (malzahar scaling was op at the time way more than it is now). We have to remember that at this time malzahar was just an overpowered and underrated champion, and it simply needed to be banned but faker was not able to recognize it.
Literally like 90% of this is assumption based I am guessing, because it's not that Malzahar enables Zac to gank, because Malzahar enables every champion to gank him. Also, Cass doesn't counter Malzahar because she "was really strong and could afford a qss" it's because her Q still poisoned Malzahar through his passive shield so his passive was useless vs. Cass, and since he is immobile and she gains bonus MS when targets are poisoned, she can just run him down and dodge his silence then pretty much 100-0 him with E if he ever gets hit. The point of the Malzahar was just to delay faker 1300 gold, make him buy a qss and shut him down as a carry. Malzahar enhanced the strategy of focusing Faker, but there was other ways to do it. Still probably should've been banned.
@@alexcallado4701 This point would make sense IF SKT did not generate huge leads vs SSG in game 2 and 3 and made the pick useless. What you seem to ignore is that Bang performance (which was already a low bar) was at it's worst in the finals. Player KDA CSM DPM WPM CuVee 11/4/15 (6.5) 9.0 478 0.68 Ambition 2/3/30 (10.7) 4.4 199 0.83 Crown 8/5/15 (4.6) 9.0 515 0.73 Ruler 10/2/21 (15.5) 10.2 717 0.54 CoreJJ 1/2/28 (14.5) 0.4 75 1.08 Player KDA CSM DPM WPM Huni 6/5/8 (2.8) 9.7 339 0.46 Peanut 0/3/3 (1.0) 3.6 116 0.84 blank 0/5/10 (2.0) 3.4 267 1.21 Faker 4/8/9 (1.6) 9.8 375 0.47 Bang 4/6/4 (1.3) 9.1 532 0.43 Wolf 2/5/5 (1.4) 0.7 101 1.34 Bang has the worst DPM differential and lowest KDA (peanut played 1 game) compared to GenG player. In an ardent meta where your ADC has the lowest KDA it's obvious why they lost. gol.gg/game/stats/9076/page-game/ - SKT largest lead 18mins with a 3.1k gold lead gol.gg/game/stats/9077/page-game/ - SKT largest lead 25mins with a 7.5k gold lead Malzahar didn't do shit. SKT could easily win if they had a master player take over for Bang. Malzahar criticism is wondering why SKT didn't ban a champion so Faker could carry like he did against RNG and Misfits. Kespa Cup 2017 Malzahar was the 5th highest presence champion for mid lane. For an OP champion that honestly isn't great considering they buffed malzahar in 7.22 even more post worlds (the patch Kespa cup was used).
Dafuq is spica saying? He watched a clip or a part of the whole game or something? Tons of pressure was put by ssg in the midlane the whole series but faker was still breaking even while bang wasn't that performing well or even inting with the ardent meta going on.
I mean 4 years later i still remembered that Bang was playing varus, he flashed onto the dragon pit then died, and he also tristana ulted Ruler varus away to safety which cost them the teamfight. 🤣 P.S. its the only worlds ive watched it in a cinema watch party and that is why the series was memorable for me because the people were screaming/cheering passionately.
Malz wasn't the reason why Faker lost the finals. Faker had a hard time playing against Malz in lane during the game 1 because Malz simply counters Cass in lane. But SSG as a team simply played better. In game 2, Faker's Ryze was leading the game (he was dominating the game and giving positive influence to other lanes as well) until the other team members lost the skirmish at the bottom river by the infamous 1 spear 2 airborne ambition's jarvan + Bang's flash ult miss at the dragon pit + his death afterward just completely changed the tide of the game. In game 3, Crown barely survived the lane while Faker's Karma was carrying the other lanes. But that Bang's infamous ult-saving Ruler's Varus at crucial times prevented any kind of a snowball - throwing away the chance to end the game early. The only 'throw' by Faker would be him getting caught by Ruler at the end. So, obviously, it wasn't Malz that changed the tide of the game. So what caused SKT to lose the finals? Team diff., but most notably, bang's throw + top diff + Ambition playing so well (peanut played decently, but Ambition was better). Compared to Cuvee, Huni underperformed in teamfights and late game in all 3 games (And without Faker's influence in other lanes during the series, Huni would have had very hard time even in lane phase). So... unless Huni is blaming Faker for not babysitting him and carrying his team despite Huni's own failures, he has nothing to say. And if Huni was really blaming Faker for 'his ego' for losing the finals, then I would lose all respect for Huni. Even though Huni underperformed, I never blamed Huni for the loss because I thought he was doing his best. Bang's throw and Ambition, Cuvee, and Ruler's overperformance were greater reasons for SSG's victory. But if Huni's blaming on Faker is true, then I am forced to say that Huni is also the reason why SKT lost the finals as he negatively contributed to the team's effort. Huni also threw multiple times against RNG along with bot lanes, which almost cost SKT their semifinals. It was Faker's Galio that brought SKT to finals.
100% agree with you. The fact that Faker managed to carry his team to the final playing against RNG and Uzi in the semi and hard carrying on Galio where the meta was all about the botlane and the fucking ardent censer item is an amazing achievement.
For me I have always blamed Huni. The top gap in that series was so huge. Cuvee's impact not just in the top side but his macro and influence all over the map was so great while Huni can't even do his laning phase well all throughout the playoff stage. It's absurd. But like most people who watched that finals series says, except Crown, everyone from SSG played better than their counterpart. So overall SSG just really performed better
@@vicnovicio Yeah. I never liked Huni. He was considered good in times when all players were bad. He never did anything positive to skt,it was mostly faker and peanuts lee sin
Malazahar aint the strongest component of their team, but he's too useful in it. Its like asking someone whats more important when driving, the steering wheel or the shift stick.
I think the reason why NA Players always lose at worlds is because their mindset is too narrow to the game, they focus on highlight plays instead of the whole game.
Yeah they have some sense of ego too lol like Spica almost having pleasure in saying faker got shit on when NA as a whole region has been nothing but an absolute meme lol
@@augustusplays7896 best part for me is that in 2/3 years Spica will still be a hard stuck NA worlds group stage player, faker will still be a 3x worlds legend. Imagine talking smack against the GOAT who’s still a top 10 mid in the world and has been since the start of his career, Spica’s not even top 3 NA 😂😂😂
It was actually a huge top and bot diff for 2017 SKT. Bang was inting every game and Huni was getting gapped on top lane . I remembered Huni was losing to Cuvee in a gnar kennen matchup and in the next match, when they switch the match up, Huni was still losing KEKW. It was so sad because SKT bought Peanut that season but it was tank jungler meta which Peanut did not thrive on. It was basically Faker carrying 2017 SKT
@@nicholashuang5974 second best player on SKT is agreeable but Huni did not put on a carry performance. Huni lost both side of a matchup when he should be ahead on one of the side, Cuvee did this with less jungle present from Ambition (sitting bot for Ruler).
Why are people still sucking Faker after all his mistakes? he was the reason they lost against SSG in 2017 and even though Huni was not the best player he still played better than Faker.
@UCnrv55zqCN0WW3Vn7SWMbnA Lol funny lol crown didnt pick malz against any other player but faker in the whole tournament if faker didnt 1 vs 9 in semi they would have lost.Huni was a bloody inter so stfu .
@@miguelramirez2529 you should've watched the whole worlds. It was Faker carrying the whole team. Their botlane was underperforming and they've got losing lane on top. Now they're just gonna neutralize their midlane by picking Malzahar all 3 games. But sure if you think otherwise it's your opinion.
That was a forced trade by faker, trying to lure him into gragas... ofc he was losing the trade, he was even trading into 3 caster minions and took every skill in the face... For sure Spika could have chosen a better clip to show malz was op in that patch...
Well, and argument could be made that most champs don't do that much damage while they are in full retreat. Most other champions would have to decide between trading back which would have let gragas catch up, or just eating the Cassio damage as they escaped up towards topside, but malzahar just summons goons and they beat the hell out of faker while he peaced out.
@@jaketerpening3284 Actually Malzahar has lock animation on all his skills, so he's not even that good at dealing damage while on full retreat ( full retreat meaning you try to cover as much distance as possible from your opponent... hence you don't stop to use skills ), Syndra is probably the best at it since her Q and W do not require her to stand still. Aside that you can see Malzahar isn't at all in full retreat, he stops to E, to Q and to summon his goons, it's just faker that facetanks everything because he knows he can't die from it since malz hasn't got enough damage pre 6. The reason to play malzahar is more about the ease in which he navigates every lane without interacting with the enemy and just by perma shoving lanes, which is perfect for crown since he doesn't actually want to get skillchecked by Faker. That's the only actual reason.
Spica: Malzahar is shitting on Faker. What actually happened: Faker just pushed Malzahar off the wave and Peanut walked up to push back Malzahar even further, thus denying Malzahar cs. Maybe if Spica could analyze a game correctly, he’d be going to Worlds.
Wrong. Faker didn't push Crown off the lane, it was Crown going onto river by his own volition after seeing Gragas from a ward at botside raptor camps. Oh the irony of "if you could analyze games"
Bang and Wolf were pretty sick at that point or still are. Bang had Depression and burn out and Wolf was suffering from an disease unknown to the public that made him unable to play more than 1 Game at 100%
Khan is the problem. Just watch game 5 DK vs RNG and you can absolutely see Khan still farming with his Aatrox while his bot lane got smashed 4vs5 even though he had TP
I don't really think it was a problem but the malz was really stopping them from doing something and why they did crown was just playing too good. I really wish they wouldve just banned it. if I remember well i think game 2 3 and were really close and at some points skt was ahead.
Haha! Cant forget about the Ardent censer meta (enchanters are powerful at that time) and also Tank build, low econ Junglers that can dive turrets anytime are usually pickedt that time... One of the reasons SKT pick Karma on the last game due to her kit (and also the team drafted Leona for Wolf) and those were the days that Karma is very effective on lane, also Lulu is a good pick. Well, its no surprise on the S11 Spring season as well due to the overpowered Moonstone. Ahhhhh! Can,t forget Ambitions Jarvan and Ruler Varus also with the effective support role of CoreJJ. SKT got crushed, the time SKT ended there era
I think malz helped ssg but it wasnt the sole reason why they lost. SKT bot lane was getting gapped big time, that was the biggest reason for the loss imo. Sure banning malz mightve helped but its not like crown was useless on other picks. His galio and taliyah was dope.
I agree, though I think 2017 really challenged Fakers leadership. When you have your whole team wanting to ban Malzahar just do it, if it means they will relax more and have a better mindset. Thats where he went wrong, not listening to his team. On the rift is a diff story.
Whats more funny is that every NA or EU pro players talks as if they had achieved something relevant in their career. This guy should worry about his own team rather than worrying about T1 who qualified in worlds and TSM didnt
I dont even think LCS is a good region.. but this guy won LCS and in that one moment achieved more the you have or will ever have in your sad little life
Why are you trying to police his thoughts? He can talk about whatever he wants. You are just another Chinese fuck that loves to dicked down and silenced by authority. Get in your lane slant eyes.
Spica is a decent player and i think all pro players has the right to criticize or talk about other pro’s weakness and strengths regardless of their region where they playing at. And you’re here talking about tsm not making into worlds and you’re sitting there in your pc fking hardstuck at diamond
@@reuleaux9856 And even at worlds he was still imo the 2nd best jungler in his group behind Selfmade. Sadly his ults made the enemy team and his own team sleep.
Malzahar pick became popular because of crown in worlds 2017. Crown is not that top 3 midlaner back on the days but his malzahar is the game changer with its ult teamfight is already easier for them to execute since they can easily pick off anyone. Cuvee and botlane duo is smurfing tho and ambition is the veteran holding putting faker on a hard position.
My friends ask me everytime i ban malzahar why i ban it he is shit you are wasting ban bro. Then i say to them guys if malza loses lane and goes 0/10 he is the most usefull champ in their team, when he is even the same happens and when he is ahead he is a monster. This champ can go 0/20 but after 6 he becomes most usefull champ in their team cuz of fucking point and click ult that makes every assasin useless unless they buy qss which costs 1300 gold so they waste gold
I mean it's not about whether it's the reason you're losing. If you can take it away it becomes the reason you win. No knock against faker, that's a very very hard thing to have the mentality to realize that in that situation
tbh faker maybe ego their but I don't think the outcome changes maybe they win 1 game but through out Worlds this squad had so much struggles even aginst msf and the aginst ssg every lane was losing or neutralized
S7 SKT doesn't lose to Malzahar (Faker kicks Crown's butt throughout the series), Bang and Wolf underperform, Cuvee destroys Huni (Even on winning lines ...) and Peanut and Blank shit on each other throughout the tournament...
Malzahar wasn't that OP. They just haven't learned to play with/against him yet. Like how lee sin insecs, or rakan combo used to look insanely good. Now its dodged in almost every pro game. Faker clearly didnt know malzahar damage output, otherwise he would'nt even chase or move forward that far.
@@jessemoog5310 and? malzahar hits him with 3 abilities. If it was ryze, lux, even ahri he would still take damage and back off, probably not as much as malazahar. Everyone underrated malzahar's damage that time and no one even really knew to back away or draft against a nether grasp which is literally just a stun w/dmg. Thats why malzahar wasn't even nerfed that hard.
This was actually dumb because malzahar wasn't this weird pick that came out of nowhere. The issue was how to generate leads fast enough and snow ball before the bot difference was going to be gigantic. Game 1: SSG SKT TOP 32.5% 33.4% JUNGLE 4.1% 10.3% MID 26.7% 25.4% ADC 34.5% 25% SUPPORT 2.2% 5.9% Bang does the 3rd least damage on his team in the ADC meta. Game 2: SSG SKT TOP 22.6% 17.1% JUNGLE 12.1% 10.9% MID 27.7% 33.3% ADC 36.5% 29.1% SUPPORT 1% 9.7% Bang is doing 2nd most damage in the ADC meta. He is still getting smoked heavily by Ruler in comparison. Game 3: SSG SKT TOP 19.6% 20.7% JUNGLE 12.4% 11.3% MID 24.2% 20.1% ADC 37% 42.4% SUPPORT 6.8% 5.4% One single game Bang did more damage than ruler and.. they had to go enchanter mid for Faker. Bang finished the series as an ADC with the lowest KDA at 1.3. I wouldn't be shocked this is coming from spica. This is the same team that barely put any practice where bjergsen spammed more soloq games than the team. No wonder they looked like clowns in playoffs.
In the end of the day, it is Kkoma's call. The best head-coach of all time saw the gameplay and decided that the issue is not Malz. The decision was not Faker's to make. Huni is just being salty and Spica is just trying to stir up drama.
some of yall sped asf... malz wasnt the problem that game or any of those games... bot was losing, and they kept getting out macro'd in a meta where adc was crucial
At the end of the day Faker probably blames himself the most for not being able to carry the team and being caught with Varus' ult at the end and you have Huni blaming Faker for 'his ego' lmao Huni is one of the worst top laner SKT ever had, remember that? And this year he can't even play at World while Faker is coming back to World, the karma lol. I've always overlook him in World 2017 because of Bang huge underperformance but if 'his ego' tells him it was Faker's fault for not banning Mal, then he probably doesn't deserve Summoner's Cup to boost 'his ego' even more at the first place. That's it my respect for Huni, I always has a soft spot for ex-SKT players but he and his current team just lost it.
You're right. All of SKT/T1's top laners are top tier players :Impact, MaRin, Duke, Khan and right now Canna is becoming a monster himself. All except for poor little Huni who is decent but nowhere near great.
Tbf we don't know what goes into these players personal life and honestly it wouldn't be surprising if Faker made some childish decisions since he was getting so much praise that time and he was also still young. He's very competitive so it's understandable he wanted to prove himself. I think he has matured since then when I look at him now.
Huni was literally getting gapped. You can see Huni's ego in his interview clips throughout his career XD. Rich coming from him to shift blame onto Faker.
this is true, in high pressure situations, Huni always choke. He can't beat the best top laners in the world. I still remember how smeb shit on huni in 2015 worlds.
Spica doesn't know what he's talking about in this clip. "Maybe in a world where Malz is banned". How about Maybe in a world where his bot lane wasn't sh*t in a BOT LANE META they could've won. Maybe in a world where his top and jg weren't inconsistent from Summer split all the way up to worlds, they could've won. Maybe in a world where Faker didn't have to break his back dragging that sorry team all the way to the finals straight 1v9 playing out of his god damn mind, they could've won.
*i rewatched it again, and the final game was no one's fault, it was just that ssg's comp had alot of cc, silence, and their line was so much better than skt, it was no one's fault, it's the better draft that won that match*
@@rafarzempaa5618 did you not see my comment? i said "the final game" which means game 3!, not game 1 and game 2! in game 3 they lost because of better comp by ssg not because anyone inted
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg it easy to point out huh, did you watched it again? im saying game 3! not game 1 and 2!, they lost in game 3 because ssg had a better comp with too much cc
@@crossmariancrosscode5007 SKT was up 7k gold. Bang ended the series with the worst KDA. He had the highest differential DPM compared to his laner. Do you randomly think they went to 5 games with Misfits and RNG because of the team? Bang was garbage.
Remember 2020 when TSM went 0-6 at Worlds? My friends were rooting for TSM and even before the first game, I knew TSM was just gonna vanish without a trace. Look at this fucker judging the GOAT
@@ripu2shredz1zz13 Yeah I did, this time we had an overrated top laner who cant use tanks properly and didnt represent any pressure nor danger to the opossing team and was gapped by cuvee
Spica here clearly didn’t understand how faker played back then to try to bait into his jungle, look at this zoomer 😂. Then saying faker get shit on. Again and again na players just don’t know how to play League of Legends after so many years that’s why groups is their limit…
What was worse Rng giving Faker Galio 5 games or Skt giving Ssg Malzahar 3 times in a row? I still to this day belive Rng was the strongest team ay the tournament and would have destroyed Ssg in the finals like they did in the group stage!
@@XxDeAtHHazExX87 guy Rng and Gen.G were in the same group and Rng fking stomped them twice! Rng were like Gen. G but better just fked up against Skt giving them Galio 5 games!
@@XxDeAtHHazExX87 it was ardent meta and Rng had Uzi-Ming as their botlane so it's not that hard to realize they wouldn't just get stomped by Gen. G who had the 2nd best botlane in the tournament!
@Alex faker is built different and I did not say all 24 years old players should retire even Brazil and Japan have 30 years old player but the high level mechanics is not there anymore
Faker isn't the best midlaner in the world anymore but is still one of the best currently. If you actually watched his games instead of spewing bs then you wouldn't have written a stupid comment like that.
"it was a massive bot diff" "bang was the reason they lost" "Malz wasnt the problem" the thing is If your bot is playing bad and you cant win other lanes then u just accepting defeat You could ban malz and play around faker to enable him, but since malz was picked all the time, faker and peanut cant kill him which allows crown to have free series and zac + malz is legit impossible to avoid, free gank and CC chain into death Bang being trash made SKT lose Faker's Ego guaranteed SKT not winning at all
Did you even watch the series? 2017 meta was so bizarre picking a hypercarry adc and rushing ardent censer on enchanter supp was the wincon, the item was broken as fuck. Do you REALLY think SKT wouldn't have played through mid if they could? ignorant trash saying "faker's ego" ffs
If I remember correctly, this series was a massive bot diff. Faker was right. It wasn’t Malz who’s beating them. It’s him low-key saying that “Yow Bang, keep your sht together”.
Yeah it was, ardent censor meta and Bang was inting vs the worlds MVP
malzhar with an unclenseable point click on ult was not OP back then? lmao. shit can wave clear just having voidstafff back then that's why riot nerf the shit out of that champion after worlds
@@legaldrumprogrammer1685 Actually he got buffed immediately after worlds.
"Patch Information: v7.18 with
Ornn disable"
"V7.22
Stats
Base health increased to 537 from 525.
Health growth increased to 87 from 75.
V7.19
Void Swarm Void Swarm
Bug Fix: Voidlings are no longer missing attack on-hit VFX."
Malzahar received 2 buffs. He didn't get nerfed until 7.24.
@@legaldrumprogrammer1685 lol you're talking absolute shite
@@legaldrumprogrammer1685 sup can build mikael btw
They lost because the meta was "protect the adc" and Bang inted the entire finals. This was way back when everyone considered Bang to be the 3rd or 4th best adc (PraY was the other), behind Deft and Uzi. This series put Ruler and CoreJJ on the map. They were better off banning Tristana so Bang couldn't int on her.
Simp :v it’s fact.
Let's trust some random on the internet instead of Huni lol
@@lukanni4757 the point is why i have to trust a pro and not a random? I was there to see those games and bot was an issue
@@DiabloTommaso No you are completely right, trust the random instead of the guy who was LITERALLY ON Faker's team, go ahead.
@@lukanni4757 If Malzahar was the reason they lost that series then why did crown go into depression and thought he didn't deserve to win worlds? Surprised people care that much from Spica and Huni. Didn't Bjergsen reveal he played more soloq in a week than the rest of the team combined heading into playoffs? If I had to guess they wouldn't blame the lack of practice as the reason they lost.
Imagine trying to blame faker for 2017.
Couldn't be the intellectuals
Who is?
@@ripu2shredz1zz13 Spica lmao. I'm not even sure if I would give him the title of a pro player
@@fivosliogas2127 what makes u entitled to give that lmao
@@fivosliogas2127 well, he is a challenger, he understands the game more than you
Faker Was Solo Hard carrying SKT on their match against SSG but Ruler was just too good against Bang who turned into a silver player at that Series.
no, he wasn't lol, he made a lot of mistakes, his neeko throw also cost them one of the games.
Edit: I meant Karma not Neeko.
@@zachdillenger5468 huh? Neeko wasnt even out during that series lmao
@@6yordles197 My mistake, I meant Karma.
He solo carried nothing he got caught like several times and cost his team barons, not only bang played bad lol, delusional faker fanboys he got gapped every single game
@@MK-fw9qo not really, he played rather well against an OP malzahar.
2017 Worlds. If I recall correctly, Faker was actually 1v9 the whole time throughout whole tournament after group stage. (Against MSF and RNG). It was then against SSG, they made sure Mid was neutralized with 3 games of Malzahar and naturally you ended up with 2 winning lanes ( top / bot ) with a neutralized mid lane. Faker was constantly receiving attention from CoreJJ and Ambition with Crown (Malzahar) just pressing the R-Button.
His champ that worlds was galio definetly 1v9 other champs was average but in that final game he got karma duty so... auto lost imo no idea why they couldnt let him play a carry kinda insane
@@UFInstinct imo, prolly the meta read of skt coaching staff. they'd prefer the mid lane pick with the utility or global pressure kind of attribute on a champ. but I also think that putting faker on carry duty would make a difference.
@@UFInstinct average did you see his ryze in game 4 of misfits or taliyah
@@sriraamsritharan4691 ??? Fam that shit was average are you high😂😂😂 pls give me gamestamp of any outstand plays faker did that game
@@jsir5241 the problem with Faker getting stuck with utility champs is that they would be fotced to rely even more on Bang... and we all know that 2017 Worlds Bang is low Gold - high Silver
It's not just Malz, It's the combo of Malza and Zac which SSG picked 2 times, so Malz enables all types of ganks to Zac who counters rlly hard a Cass since he can jump to your face from any unexpected side of the map AND one of the most important things is that you can't play that aggressive as Cass for that reason too, so you can't all in. I remember that Cass in that season was very frequently used to counter Malz since she was very strong at the time and could afford an early Qss and still win the matchup, but Qss doesn't matter if then a Zac is jumping to your face or you can't win lane by trading, so yeah you could say that baning Malz was the whole point to shuting down that strat since he's the enabler, but I don't think the Malz pick stands for himself too. Idk who of SSG said this, but he said that he knew that in order to win against Faker was by not laning against him. Yeah... Faker in that Worlds was really scary and by far the best mid in the world, you just have to watch SKT vs RNG.
Faker tried ryze, karma, and cass, and lost all 3 games to malzahar. The malz zac synergy was good but it wasn’t necessary. We have to remember that malzahar dominated solo queue for weeks after this series was over. Crown said in an interview that they determined in their scrims leading up to the finals that malzahar was an op pick. In Crowns words, “you could lose the lane, but you will not lose the game” (malzahar scaling was op at the time way more than it is now). We have to remember that at this time malzahar was just an overpowered and underrated champion, and it simply needed to be banned but faker was not able to recognize it.
Literally like 90% of this is assumption based I am guessing, because it's not that Malzahar enables Zac to gank, because Malzahar enables every champion to gank him. Also, Cass doesn't counter Malzahar because she "was really strong and could afford a qss" it's because her Q still poisoned Malzahar through his passive shield so his passive was useless vs. Cass, and since he is immobile and she gains bonus MS when targets are poisoned, she can just run him down and dodge his silence then pretty much 100-0 him with E if he ever gets hit.
The point of the Malzahar was just to delay faker 1300 gold, make him buy a qss and shut him down as a carry. Malzahar enhanced the strategy of focusing Faker, but there was other ways to do it. Still probably should've been banned.
@@alexcallado4701 This point would make sense IF SKT did not generate huge leads vs SSG in game 2 and 3 and made the pick useless. What you seem to ignore is that Bang performance (which was already a low bar) was at it's worst in the finals.
Player KDA CSM DPM WPM
CuVee 11/4/15 (6.5) 9.0 478 0.68
Ambition 2/3/30 (10.7) 4.4 199 0.83
Crown 8/5/15 (4.6) 9.0 515 0.73
Ruler 10/2/21 (15.5) 10.2 717 0.54
CoreJJ 1/2/28 (14.5) 0.4 75 1.08
Player KDA CSM DPM WPM
Huni 6/5/8 (2.8) 9.7 339 0.46
Peanut 0/3/3 (1.0) 3.6 116 0.84
blank 0/5/10 (2.0) 3.4 267 1.21
Faker 4/8/9 (1.6) 9.8 375 0.47
Bang 4/6/4 (1.3) 9.1 532 0.43
Wolf 2/5/5 (1.4) 0.7 101 1.34
Bang has the worst DPM differential and lowest KDA (peanut played 1 game) compared to GenG player. In an ardent meta where your ADC has the lowest KDA it's obvious why they lost.
gol.gg/game/stats/9076/page-game/ - SKT largest lead 18mins with a 3.1k gold lead
gol.gg/game/stats/9077/page-game/ - SKT largest lead 25mins with a 7.5k gold lead
Malzahar didn't do shit. SKT could easily win if they had a master player take over for Bang. Malzahar criticism is wondering why SKT didn't ban a champion so Faker could carry like he did against RNG and Misfits.
Kespa Cup 2017 Malzahar was the 5th highest presence champion for mid lane. For an OP champion that honestly isn't great considering they buffed malzahar in 7.22 even more post worlds (the patch Kespa cup was used).
you notice that zac and malz combo needs malz? so banning it is not that bad
Dafuq is spica saying? He watched a clip or a part of the whole game or something? Tons of pressure was put by ssg in the midlane the whole series but faker was still breaking even while bang wasn't that performing well or even inting with the ardent meta going on.
I mean 4 years later i still remembered that Bang was playing varus, he flashed onto the dragon pit then died, and he also tristana ulted Ruler varus away to safety which cost them the teamfight. 🤣
P.S. its the only worlds ive watched it in a cinema watch party and that is why the series was memorable for me because the people were screaming/cheering passionately.
Yup not malzahar it was Ruler dunking on Bang every single time
Malz wasn't the reason why Faker lost the finals. Faker had a hard time playing against Malz in lane during the game 1 because Malz simply counters Cass in lane. But SSG as a team simply played better.
In game 2, Faker's Ryze was leading the game (he was dominating the game and giving positive influence to other lanes as well) until the other team members lost the skirmish at the bottom river by the infamous 1 spear 2 airborne ambition's jarvan + Bang's flash ult miss at the dragon pit + his death afterward just completely changed the tide of the game.
In game 3, Crown barely survived the lane while Faker's Karma was carrying the other lanes. But that Bang's infamous ult-saving Ruler's Varus at crucial times prevented any kind of a snowball - throwing away the chance to end the game early. The only 'throw' by Faker would be him getting caught by Ruler at the end. So, obviously, it wasn't Malz that changed the tide of the game.
So what caused SKT to lose the finals? Team diff., but most notably, bang's throw + top diff + Ambition playing so well (peanut played decently, but Ambition was better). Compared to Cuvee, Huni underperformed in teamfights and late game in all 3 games (And without Faker's influence in other lanes during the series, Huni would have had very hard time even in lane phase). So... unless Huni is blaming Faker for not babysitting him and carrying his team despite Huni's own failures, he has nothing to say.
And if Huni was really blaming Faker for 'his ego' for losing the finals, then I would lose all respect for Huni. Even though Huni underperformed, I never blamed Huni for the loss because I thought he was doing his best. Bang's throw and Ambition, Cuvee, and Ruler's overperformance were greater reasons for SSG's victory. But if Huni's blaming on Faker is true, then I am forced to say that Huni is also the reason why SKT lost the finals as he negatively contributed to the team's effort.
Huni also threw multiple times against RNG along with bot lanes, which almost cost SKT their semifinals. It was Faker's Galio that brought SKT to finals.
It was a team diff at the end, but I’m sad to hear Huni blaming Faker
100% agree with you.
The fact that Faker managed to carry his team to the final playing against RNG and Uzi in the semi and hard carrying on Galio where the meta was all about the botlane and the fucking ardent censer item is an amazing achievement.
For me I have always blamed Huni. The top gap in that series was so huge. Cuvee's impact not just in the top side but his macro and influence all over the map was so great while Huni can't even do his laning phase well all throughout the playoff stage. It's absurd. But like most people who watched that finals series says, except Crown, everyone from SSG played better than their counterpart. So overall SSG just really performed better
@@vicnovicio Yeah. I never liked Huni. He was considered good in times when all players were bad. He never did anything positive to skt,it was mostly faker and peanuts lee sin
Huni did nothing during his SKT days. He should be thankful for Peanut and Faker for the MSI 2017 title
I'm not usually one for disrespecting a pro like this, but is he blind to the circumstances going on in that clip?
its an NA player who is never gonna amount to anything in the game what do you expect?
He's right tho it wasn't why they were losing... but Malz was too much of a staple champion that meta.
yeah, with adcs being so op, any protect champs are too good
Malazahar aint the strongest component of their team, but he's too useful in it. Its like asking someone whats more important when driving, the steering wheel or the shift stick.
Malzahar was Crowns best champ so even if they weren't losing because of Malzahar, not banning it away from Crown with his tiny champ pool is troll.
They should have banned all ardent supports they can that time for easy win LMAO . Enchanter supports are too broken that meta
@@detoxive8903 Have u seen any crown games ? Malzhar is definitely not his best champ.
I think the reason why NA Players always lose at worlds is because their mindset is too narrow to the game, they focus on highlight plays instead of the whole game.
Yeah they have some sense of ego too lol like Spica almost having pleasure in saying faker got shit on when NA as a whole region has been nothing but an absolute meme lol
@@augustusplays7896 best part for me is that in 2/3 years Spica will still be a hard stuck NA worlds group stage player, faker will still be a 3x worlds legend. Imagine talking smack against the GOAT who’s still a top 10 mid in the world and has been since the start of his career, Spica’s not even top 3 NA 😂😂😂
@@Fidelgasflo If even groups bro. Spica wants to talk shit about the GOAT and plays on TS fucking M
It was actually a huge top and bot diff for 2017 SKT. Bang was inting every game and Huni was getting gapped on top lane . I remembered Huni was losing to Cuvee in a gnar kennen matchup and in the next match, when they switch the match up, Huni was still losing KEKW. It was so sad because SKT bought Peanut that season but it was tank jungler meta which Peanut did not thrive on. It was basically Faker carrying 2017 SKT
Thats just incorrect. Huni was the second best player on that team and put in carry performances
what are you talking about Bang and wolf were literally boosted every series, Huni was the second best player on the team
@@nicholashuang5974 second best player on SKT is agreeable but Huni did not put on a carry performance. Huni lost both side of a matchup when he should be ahead on one of the side, Cuvee did this with less jungle present from Ambition (sitting bot for Ruler).
Dude saying this while getting smashed by CuVee, and also their botlane is underperforming.
Why are people still sucking Faker after all his mistakes? he was the reason they lost against SSG in 2017 and even though Huni was not the best player he still played better than Faker.
@UCnrv55zqCN0WW3Vn7SWMbnA Lol funny lol crown didnt pick malz against any other player but faker in the whole tournament if faker didnt 1 vs 9 in semi they would have lost.Huni was a bloody inter so stfu .
@@miguelramirez2529 you should've watched the whole worlds. It was Faker carrying the whole team. Their botlane was underperforming and they've got losing lane on top. Now they're just gonna neutralize their midlane by picking Malzahar all 3 games. But sure if you think otherwise it's your opinion.
That was a forced trade by faker, trying to lure him into gragas... ofc he was losing the trade, he was even trading into 3 caster minions and took every skill in the face... For sure Spika could have chosen a better clip to show malz was op in that patch...
Well, and argument could be made that most champs don't do that much damage while they are in full retreat. Most other champions would have to decide between trading back which would have let gragas catch up, or just eating the Cassio damage as they escaped up towards topside, but malzahar just summons goons and they beat the hell out of faker while he peaced out.
@@jaketerpening3284 Actually Malzahar has lock animation on all his skills, so he's not even that good at dealing damage while on full retreat ( full retreat meaning you try to cover as much distance as possible from your opponent... hence you don't stop to use skills ), Syndra is probably the best at it since her Q and W do not require her to stand still. Aside that you can see Malzahar isn't at all in full retreat, he stops to E, to Q and to summon his goons, it's just faker that facetanks everything because he knows he can't die from it since malz hasn't got enough damage pre 6.
The reason to play malzahar is more about the ease in which he navigates every lane without interacting with the enemy and just by perma shoving lanes, which is perfect for crown since he doesn't actually want to get skillchecked by Faker. That's the only actual reason.
Crown Played Malzahar on all 3 games that series
why is huni telling Spica this like its an excuse how he played top he was gaped every time
Spica: Malzahar is shitting on Faker.
What actually happened: Faker just pushed Malzahar off the wave and Peanut walked up to push back Malzahar even further, thus denying Malzahar cs.
Maybe if Spica could analyze a game correctly, he’d be going to Worlds.
i agree
Wrong. Faker didn't push Crown off the lane, it was Crown going onto river by his own volition after seeing Gragas from a ward at botside raptor camps.
Oh the irony of "if you could analyze games"
@@jaredfource crown is still getting pushed out of lane dumbass.
SSG just had every team fight they needed to have that series even when behind.
That’s like me going to an examination and asking the teacher for an extra set of questions
Nah fam there’s not a single world in entire parallel universe where Huni can be world champ. No Malz ban can save him from being CuVee’s bitch :(
Bang and Wolf were pretty sick at that point or still are.
Bang had Depression and burn out and Wolf was suffering from an disease unknown to the public that made him unable to play more than 1 Game at 100%
It's just ruler being the best adc in 2017
lmao s7 was the ardent meta ruler was the problem not malz
Well it was ardent meta and utility supps wer the thing
:v faker carried Skt 2017 and huni be liked nope faker ego cause them lost
Faker was actually carrying the series while his team underperformed. Huni wasn't so great himself so he probably should keep quiet 🤫
Lol such a salty response when Spica mentions himself that HE asked HUNI for the reason. It wasn't brought up out of nowhere
He was the 2nd best player that year on skt that year wtf are you talking about? Is this just another cringe faker fanboy….
If huni is the 2nd best player of that time then skt is sure to lose in the finals :)
Kkoma also not banning GALA'S Kaisa for 5 games during DK vs RNG finals at MSI. DK could have been MSI champions already.
Khan is the problem. Just watch game 5 DK vs RNG and you can absolutely see Khan still farming with his Aatrox while his bot lane got smashed 4vs5 even though he had TP
they should have banned Malzahar. even though it was not the biggest reason why they lost but still Malzahar was really op and Crown was good at it
well who went to a final and who went 0-6 at worlds?
I don't really think it was a problem but the malz was really stopping them from doing something and why they did crown was just playing too good. I really wish they wouldve just banned it. if I remember well i think game 2 3 and were really close and at some points skt was ahead.
Haha! Cant forget about the Ardent censer meta (enchanters are powerful at that time) and also Tank build, low econ Junglers that can dive turrets anytime are usually pickedt that time... One of the reasons SKT pick Karma on the last game due to her kit (and also the team drafted Leona for Wolf) and those were the days that Karma is very effective on lane, also Lulu is a good pick. Well, its no surprise on the S11 Spring season as well due to the overpowered Moonstone. Ahhhhh! Can,t forget Ambitions Jarvan and Ruler Varus also with the effective support role of CoreJJ. SKT got crushed, the time SKT ended there era
I think malz helped ssg but it wasnt the sole reason why they lost. SKT bot lane was getting gapped big time, that was the biggest reason for the loss imo.
Sure banning malz mightve helped but its not like crown was useless on other picks. His galio and taliyah was dope.
crown wasnt familiar with that matchup, after that loss he practised that matchup really hard.
Read the comments huni is hardly brought up. That goes to show you how useful he was that finals, him and bot lane were just non existent.
Maybe Huni would be a world champion? Lol that was funny 😂
still to this day some skt fans flame kkoma for not banning malzahar, it turns out faker was the one who was asking him to not ban it
I agree, though I think 2017 really challenged Fakers leadership. When you have your whole team wanting to ban Malzahar just do it, if it means they will relax more and have a better mindset. Thats where he went wrong, not listening to his team. On the rift is a diff story.
I don't see how mal was the problem, I still think that bang and wolf did great but they were super low impact
Whats more funny is that every NA or EU pro players talks as if they had achieved something relevant in their career. This guy should worry about his own team rather than worrying about T1 who qualified in worlds and TSM didnt
I dont even think LCS is a good region.. but this guy won LCS and in that one moment achieved more the you have or will ever have in your sad little life
Why are you trying to police his thoughts? He can talk about whatever he wants. You are just another Chinese fuck that loves to dicked down and silenced by authority. Get in your lane slant eyes.
Spica is a decent player and i think all pro players has the right to criticize or talk about other pro’s weakness and strengths regardless of their region where they playing at. And you’re here talking about tsm not making into worlds and you’re sitting there in your pc fking hardstuck at diamond
@@reuleaux9856 yeah, decent in NA that is. Haha he is not even in top 30 right now 🤭
@@reuleaux9856 And even at worlds he was still imo the 2nd best jungler in his group behind Selfmade. Sadly his ults made the enemy team and his own team sleep.
Malzahar pick became popular because of crown in worlds 2017. Crown is not that top 3 midlaner back on the days but his malzahar is the game changer with its ult teamfight is already easier for them to execute since they can easily pick off anyone. Cuvee and botlane duo is smurfing tho and ambition is the veteran holding putting faker on a hard position.
Bruh spica... faker was trying to bait into gragas
First of all who is Spica?
Anonymous dude who we should not know about.
Someone probably more accomplished than you’ll ever be 🤫
@@ripu2shredz1zz13 never heard about him tbh
My friends ask me everytime i ban malzahar why i ban it he is shit you are wasting ban bro. Then i say to them guys if malza loses lane and goes 0/10 he is the most usefull champ in their team, when he is even the same happens and when he is ahead he is a monster. This champ can go 0/20 but after 6 he becomes most usefull champ in their team cuz of fucking point and click ult that makes every assasin useless unless they buy qss which costs 1300 gold so they waste gold
I mean it's not about whether it's the reason you're losing. If you can take it away it becomes the reason you win. No knock against faker, that's a very very hard thing to have the mentality to realize that in that situation
wouldn’t matter
"He's getting shit on" shows Faker with a freeze mid and already up 4 CS as Cassiopeia LMAO
tbh faker maybe ego their but I don't think the outcome changes maybe they win 1 game but through out Worlds this squad had so much struggles even aginst msf and the aginst ssg every lane was losing or neutralized
In other words huni want ban malz which can reduce crown impact to the game
Bruh there was a top jg bot diff and faker was legit 1 v 9 for all of 2017
Team so bad in 2017
Nah, Season 7 was adc and buff sup meta and Bang wasn't as good as he was in season 6
Yeap aslo the XAYAH AND RAKAN like BRUH
S7 SKT doesn't lose to Malzahar (Faker kicks Crown's butt throughout the series), Bang and Wolf underperform, Cuvee destroys Huni (Even on winning lines ...) and Peanut and Blank shit on each other throughout the tournament...
Then ask huni playing yas??
Normies : It was BANG😡
Pros: it was MALZHAHAR and RULER
You mean a bitter player called Huni who just missed worlds?
It was bang…..Go watch game 3 where he literally saves rulers life in a teamfight
Malzahar wasn't that OP. They just haven't learned to play with/against him yet. Like how lee sin insecs, or rakan combo used to look insanely good. Now its dodged in almost every pro game. Faker clearly didnt know malzahar damage output, otherwise he would'nt even chase or move forward that far.
he was trying to bait for gragas im pretty sure
@@jessemoog5310 and? malzahar hits him with 3 abilities. If it was ryze, lux, even ahri he would still take damage and back off, probably not as much as malazahar. Everyone underrated malzahar's damage that time and no one even really knew to back away or draft against a nether grasp which is literally just a stun w/dmg. Thats why malzahar wasn't even nerfed that hard.
This was actually dumb because malzahar wasn't this weird pick that came out of nowhere. The issue was how to generate leads fast enough and snow ball before the bot difference was going to be gigantic.
Game 1:
SSG SKT
TOP 32.5% 33.4%
JUNGLE 4.1% 10.3%
MID 26.7% 25.4%
ADC 34.5% 25%
SUPPORT 2.2% 5.9%
Bang does the 3rd least damage on his team in the ADC meta.
Game 2:
SSG SKT
TOP 22.6% 17.1%
JUNGLE 12.1% 10.9%
MID 27.7% 33.3%
ADC 36.5% 29.1%
SUPPORT 1% 9.7%
Bang is doing 2nd most damage in the ADC meta. He is still getting smoked heavily by Ruler in comparison.
Game 3:
SSG SKT
TOP 19.6% 20.7%
JUNGLE 12.4% 11.3%
MID 24.2% 20.1%
ADC 37% 42.4%
SUPPORT 6.8% 5.4%
One single game Bang did more damage than ruler and.. they had to go enchanter mid for Faker. Bang finished the series as an ADC with the lowest KDA at 1.3. I wouldn't be shocked this is coming from spica. This is the same team that barely put any practice where bjergsen spammed more soloq games than the team. No wonder they looked like clowns in playoffs.
In the end of the day, it is Kkoma's call. The best head-coach of all time saw the gameplay and decided that the issue is not Malz. The decision was not Faker's to make. Huni is just being salty and Spica is just trying to stir up drama.
ardent censer meta was literally so bad lmfao. Bang was the diff in this series no cap. Faker did what he could.
So, who's this dude?
LCS Summer split MVP
Fucking hilarious seeing all these comments shading a man more popular than y’all will ever be lmao
@@ripu2shredz1zz13just like him shading someone who much more accomplished than lcs itself 😂
some of yall sped asf... malz wasnt the problem that game or any of those games... bot was losing, and they kept getting out macro'd in a meta where adc was crucial
At the end of the day Faker probably blames himself the most for not being able to carry the team and being caught with Varus' ult at the end and you have Huni blaming Faker for 'his ego' lmao Huni is one of the worst top laner SKT ever had, remember that? And this year he can't even play at World while Faker is coming back to World, the karma lol. I've always overlook him in World 2017 because of Bang huge underperformance but if 'his ego' tells him it was Faker's fault for not banning Mal, then he probably doesn't deserve Summoner's Cup to boost 'his ego' even more at the first place. That's it my respect for Huni, I always has a soft spot for ex-SKT players but he and his current team just lost it.
Huni’s the worst top TSM has had in recent years too lol.
You're right. All of SKT/T1's top laners are top tier players :Impact, MaRin, Duke, Khan and right now Canna is becoming a monster himself. All except for poor little Huni who is decent but nowhere near great.
@@EmBiOi Even their rookie top laner, Zeus is actually insanely good and talented. Instead of Faker's 'ego', he should think about his own ego lmao
And that's how huni retired in lcs and faker still playing for worlds :D
Tbf we don't know what goes into these players personal life and honestly it wouldn't be surprising if Faker made some childish decisions since he was getting so much praise that time and he was also still young. He's very competitive so it's understandable he wanted to prove himself. I think he has matured since then when I look at him now.
Wrong
But in that series Faker still carried while his team struggled so Huni isn't really in position to shade him.
maybe this is why na is getting shit on by other regions every year
Huni was literally getting gapped. You can see Huni's ego in his interview clips throughout his career XD. Rich coming from him to shift blame onto Faker.
this is true, in high pressure situations, Huni always choke. He can't beat the best top laners in the world. I still remember how smeb shit on huni in 2015 worlds.
Spica doesn't know what he's talking about in this clip. "Maybe in a world where Malz is banned".
How about Maybe in a world where his bot lane wasn't sh*t in a BOT LANE META they could've won. Maybe in a world where his top and jg weren't inconsistent from Summer split all the way up to worlds, they could've won. Maybe in a world where Faker didn't have to break his back dragging that sorry team all the way to the finals straight 1v9 playing out of his god damn mind, they could've won.
Alright man see you at worlds .. i mean whatttttt ? Is you even will play at worlds my dude ?
Malz was op so he was nerfed 3 times 😇
*i rewatched it again, and the final game was no one's fault, it was just that ssg's comp had alot of cc, silence, and their line was so much better than skt, it was no one's fault, it's the better draft that won that match*
definitely not Bang inting every game on various champions :V
You def did not watch the game if you didn't see Bang as the fault.
@@rafarzempaa5618 did you not see my comment? i said "the final game" which means game 3!, not game 1 and game 2! in game 3 they lost because of better comp by ssg not because anyone inted
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg it easy to point out huh, did you watched it again? im saying game 3! not game 1 and 2!, they lost in game 3 because ssg had a better comp with too much cc
@@crossmariancrosscode5007 SKT was up 7k gold. Bang ended the series with the worst KDA. He had the highest differential DPM compared to his laner. Do you randomly think they went to 5 games with Misfits and RNG because of the team? Bang was garbage.
Remember 2020 when TSM went 0-6 at Worlds? My friends were rooting for TSM and even before the first game, I knew TSM was just gonna vanish without a trace. Look at this fucker judging the GOAT
Ya huni woulda been world champion just like tsm woulda won any split....surprising how any team huni is on cant win a championship....
Lmao faker fanboys can’t even spell right 😂😂 gonna cry for your daddy faker kid? 🥺
And who is this guy? A pro? Hmm maybe i can become a pro too..
Huni acting like he wasn't the problem? lmao
He wasn’t the problem…it was bang but since huni said something bad about faker all the sudden he’s the villain who lost them worlds? Lmao cringe
Not the villain, he was just the reason why they lost their first world finals
@@juancelis6331 no he wasn’t….did you even watch the games? Bang alone threw game 2 and 3
@@ripu2shredz1zz13 Yeah I did, this time we had an overrated top laner who cant use tanks properly and didnt represent any pressure nor danger to the opossing team and was gapped by cuvee
Huni a world champion? He got hard gapped by cuvee all series lmao.
Ruler diff
Spica here clearly didn’t understand how faker played back then to try to bait into his jungle, look at this zoomer 😂. Then saying faker get shit on. Again and again na players just don’t know how to play League of Legends after so many years that’s why groups is their limit…
Yeah, maybe after 3 trophies will his input be relevant
What was worse Rng giving Faker Galio 5 games or Skt giving Ssg Malzahar 3 times in a row?
I still to this day belive Rng was the strongest team ay the tournament and would have destroyed Ssg in the finals like they did in the group stage!
Definitely Malzahar, way more counterplay to Galio, plus RNG won 2 games against Faker Galio, while T1 got 3-0 against Malzahar
Nah i think even rng would 3-0ed if they met gen g at finals. They easily 3-0 skt which rng struggled with and not even defeat
@@XxDeAtHHazExX87 guy Rng and Gen.G were in the same group and Rng fking stomped them twice!
Rng were like Gen. G but better just fked up against Skt giving them Galio 5 games!
@@user-yg1hu6bo3y you realize some teams grew stronger as the tournament goes on right?
@@XxDeAtHHazExX87 it was ardent meta and Rng had Uzi-Ming as their botlane so it's not that hard to realize they wouldn't just get stomped by Gen. G who had the 2nd best botlane in the tournament!
It seems like spica doesn't know what he's saying rn. 🤔 LMAO 😂
Who the F is this guy again?
Yeah Malz wasnt why they lost. lol
This is why NA can't win worlds . Different mentality lol
Nahhh SSG WANTS REVENGE THEN AFTER THEY WIN WORLDS, SSG IS CRUMBLE IN 2018 AND THE PLAYERS START RETIRING ONE AFTER ANOTHER BESIDES RULER
bro why are you shouting
AND COREJJ IS IN TEAM LIQUID. LET'S GO, LIQUID #TLWIN
Lol
Cuvee and ambition is just old that's why they retired 24 is already old in LOL esports
@Alex faker is built different and I did not say all 24 years old players should retire even Brazil and Japan have 30 years old player but the high level mechanics is not there anymore
Ambition was playing since 2012, and GENG shit the bed at 2018 worlds so the team basically disbanded apart from ruler
Faker doesn't believe that Malzha is the problem just like Faker fans don't believe he's garbage for the last 5 years
Faker isn't the best midlaner in the world anymore but is still one of the best currently. If you actually watched his games instead of spewing bs then you wouldn't have written a stupid comment like that.
He will continue to be the best player that has ever played the game no matter how salty and jealous you are.
LMAO. Nice bite btw. Most likely you're completely blind or 10iq player if it's serious
Salty salty hater keke.
@@EmBiOi all this crying isn’t gonna make faker acknowledge your existence buddy
"it was a massive bot diff"
"bang was the reason they lost"
"Malz wasnt the problem" the thing is
If your bot is playing bad and you cant win other lanes
then u just accepting defeat
You could ban malz and play around faker to enable him, but since malz was picked all the time, faker and peanut cant kill him which allows crown to have free series
and zac + malz is legit impossible to avoid, free gank and CC chain into death
Bang being trash made SKT lose
Faker's Ego guaranteed SKT not winning at all
Did you even watch the series? 2017 meta was so bizarre picking a hypercarry adc and rushing ardent censer on enchanter supp was the wincon, the item was broken as fuck. Do you REALLY think SKT wouldn't have played through mid if they could? ignorant trash saying "faker's ego" ffs
This is why NA will never get out of the groups + Huni is a dogshit top laner for SKT (2017, literally the worst one)
as usual NA perspective of the game is garbage
Deserved loss imo
lul this NA (4fun) player speaks like he has knowledge in pro plays. I know he's pro but not totally performing as a pro.
He just won LCS Summer split MVP. One bad opinion doesn't mean he's dumb
Faker fanboys are so cringe man
@@TheDerpOnline well NA is NA
damn seeing a lot of faker fanbois 😂
faker so washed lmao
I hate this accent so much lol