Calamity Aftermath Reveal in Campaign 3
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Seriously, what IS Ruidus?!
The first of EXU: Calamity's major consequences showing up in campaign 3!
Clips from Critical Role Campaign 3, Episode 29 and Exandria Unlimited: Calamity Episode 4
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Primordials aren't gods is one thing, that can be argued, but the Calamity is much more recent than the Founding, and Ruidis existed during the Age of Arcanum, Brennan specifically notes the two moons during the fall of Avalir
He doesn't specify two moons except when he is describing out of character what an apogee solstice is. The only other time he describes the moon(s) is when he is in character as Evandrin talking to Zerxus and says "I love you more than the moon" singular.
@@pystoph3987 Mercer says the moon Ruidus was there long before the age of Arcanum. The video premise is wrong.
Nah, Brennan was clear that those two titans were destroyed by the astral leywright. Laerryn used the power of the apogee solstice (and Patia's 9th level spell) and sacrificed the continent of Domunas to make sure. Would be a middle finger to the Ring of Brass to just bring them back in the main CR campaign right away. Also historians of the hyper religious Vasselheim, the Dawn City, would know the difference between gods and titans. 'Oops, we found some names of two powerful beings and just assumed they were gods, our bad.' It's realistic (like fake species of dinosaurs caused by fossil mismanagement), but it's a terrible plot for a fantasy story.
Did miss something? I thought the entire reason they used the Leywright was to send those primordials to another plane. Those primordials were basically immortal. If they could be killed then Pelor would have just done that instead of seal them away. Those primordials exist somewhere else now. They weren't destroyed. The continent of Domunus was destroyed by both the energy surge from Avalir and pissed off Betrayers that made a point to destroy what was left of it in retaliation for taking out their allies. I watched the series twice so I think I'm correct. But maybe I missed something.
EDIT: I also don't think the primordials are tied to the moon stuff. It seems unrelated but who knows? I'm just making sure I didn't misunderstand the ending of Calamity
@@TitoMcFadden From what I can remember the two primordials were sent through the planes of existence and the energy created destroyed them entirely or at least wounded them and banished them to the point where they couldn’t come back on their own
And while the primordials were being sent away they attempted to destroy Exandria but they weren’t strong enough so they took Domunas anyway out of spite
@@TitoMcFadden Yeah you're mostly right, just that rather than being banished into a single other plane, it's more like they were disintigrated and spread far throughout multiple plains, to the point where reforming would be impossible. I think the word Brennan used was "diffused".
So yeah. I think this is some remnant of whatever god the raven Queen replaced and some other deity. Maybe betrayer?
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@@jishnubhattacharya3387 my memories kinda hazy, but a fragment of the primordial of fire they "diffused" might've been what the druids used to ground Thordak, the Cinder King to the fire plane.
Timeline wrong mate, Founding is way before Calamity.
Pasted from my other comment.
it makes sense thematically though. The two primordials were of Fire and Earth, and the volcano erupting was what kicked the calamity into high gear. One fascinating thing about volcanoes is sometimes they will have lightning running through the ash clouds. Having Imogene use lightning themed magic while connected to the red moon (which was suspiciously never mentioned in EXU) is a bit of a big coincidence to ignore.
Also having the big red boi “avoiding” detection seems to indicate a form of sentience
Yeah I thought about one of these being the god of death that had it's domain taken by the raven queen, but that was just like 100 years before the calamity. I feel like these are completely new beings that were never mentioned before
The texts telling of those forgotten gods and of not having Ruidus are said to be as old as the founding. But that does only mean that these two changes (2 gods gone and Ruidus appeared) happened between the writing of the texts and today. Therefore it could have been at the Calamity.
Actually the timeline makes sense if you take more than one second to think about it. The texts were about how Ruidis did not exist before Calamity. If think about all the traits Ruidis has shown it appears to be VERY similar to the results of Astral Leyrite that Laayrhen built. It phases in and out of the living plain….just like Evandran and the toy model. Even out of game, clearly EXU Calamity has some correlation and relevance to C3. Also Ruidis appears AFTER the events of the Calamity( the heroic sacrifice aka using the Leyrite to seal away the primordials). So chances are they are within the moon itself.
@@CerotheDemon the texts are about how it didnt exist before the founding, not the calamity. ruidus existed during the calamity, its in the sky. brennan mentions two moons in episode on of calamity at 58:51 according to CRTranscripts.
but besides that. your doesnt make sense because why would primordials imbue people with psionic abilities? *how* could they. they're being thats control elements. not only this but you have to remember that no one on exandria calls the primordials gods. they especially wouldnt do it in vasselheim, given its connections to the gods.
i thought the texts he was referring to was Patia's orb, tbh. i thought that like, She basically photocopied all of avalir's collective knowledge and sent it away for future generations,
Im getting emrikal and innistrad vibes lets go spaghetti monster
The two gods would probably be the orginal death god and maybe tharizdun
Nah, Matt said god that don't exist in the pantheon. Tharizdun is in the pantheon.
It's an. "Original creaaashon"
The Founding is basically the creation story of Exandria's lore. From what I understand, these two Gods who are possibly locked up in Ruidus didn't even see the Betrayal happen, let alone be present in the Calamity.
This is not referring to the same things. Primordials are not gods, and by the time of Avalir, Ruidus had been there already since the Founding. The founding us mentioned as ancient history in Calamity. Unfortunately your info is way off.
primordias aren't gods.
What the PCs interpreted were “gods”. remember the characters don’t know the difference between a god and a primordial even though by definition you can include a god under the category of primordial. There literally is no difference.
@@CerotheDemon y'all are reaching. plenty of people know the difference between a god and a primordial. the gods and the primordials fought each other during the founding. they wouldnt call the primordials gods in vasselheim, given its deep devotion to the actual gods and the fact its the first city, having stood almost since the time the primordials walked the earth.
@@CerotheDemon we know the difference between gods and titans. Primordials are the equivalent of the Greek titans.
@@CerotheDemon there is PLENTY of difference, especially in DnD, and especially when the we're being told this from the minds of researchers in Vasselheim who spent their entire lives (which could be almost a millenium for some of them) devoted to this topic.
That's like if, in a world where God, the Devil, angels and demons are real, the Vatican made a press statement about two sealed angels that disappeared from canonical texts but you insisted they were actually talking about devils or nephilim but the vatican priests couldn't tell the difference.
We've had much more humble people in Exandria show a clear understanding of the difference between the primordial, elemental titans and the Gods. Remember that the Founding, this world's proven creation story, is about the Gods fighting the Titans. Do you think the ancient Greeks would not know the difference between the Titans Gaia spawned with Uranus and the Olympian gods that overthrew them? And those were actually the same class of being and the offsprings of one another yet they still get different classifications, while the Gods of Exandria literally came from another world/plane during the founding and waged war with the primordial beings that are native to Exandria. Titans and Gods are so far removed from each other they are literally from different realities, the only commonality the two classes have is they are on comparable scopes of unfathomable power.
I know this video is almost a year old, but the fact that this is now referencing the fact that Ashton has Titan blood and just so happens to be made of rock and earth, as well as the sealing of 2 other gods by the Dawnfather and Wildmother, and the fact the Fearne is now TECHNICALLY aquainted with one of the Betrayer gods is worrying, and quite telling loo
This is not referring to the same things. Primordials are not gods
I think it's likely that one of the gods is the Raven Queen's predecessor, and the other is imprisoned on Ruidis
she didn't push the previous god aside, they disappeared from existence when she took over. Brennan covered that, why the gods were so hell bent on preventing another ascension
It can't be the Raven Queen's predecessor because Patia Porco KNEW the raven queen before she ascended. The moon appeared during the founding and Patia/ExU Calamity didn't take place until later.
@@avalon3202 rightttt ok
@A Just because the book mentions 2 gods doesn’t mean they are both related to Ruidis. It would be odd to mention the lost names of 2 gods and one of them not be the now deceased god of death.
The only thing that even suggests that it might not be is that the name still exists at all. We know when the Raven Queen ascended that both her previous name and her predecessors name were wiped from all record including the memories of those who knew her personally. Even Asmodeus couldn’t remember his siblings name and he wasn’t even on the material plane when it happened.
So the question becomes if it is the god of deaths name how did it survive and what are the implications of it having done so. Could he be returned to existence with his name? Could someone or something like a lesser deity use the name to claim the domain that the Raven queen couldn’t entirely inherit? After all she is only the god of the moment of death not death in its entirety.
All in all I wouldn’t be surprised if the full ramifications of this stretched well past this campaign into the next.
@@andrewjohnson3511 that's the reason I don't think the god named cane be the god of death. Even Asmodeus can't remember their name I don't see how a book in vassleheims archive could keep it
Is Ruidus a prison holding the two primordials that the Calamity sent?
Sadly no. The timeline is wrong. The founding, which text talking about the 2 missing gods is from is long, long, long before the Calamity.
@@jonathansolberg5072 it makes sense thematically though. The two primordials were of Fire and Earth, and the volcano erupting was what kicked the calamity into high gear. One fascinating thing about volcanoes is sometimes they will have lightning running through the ash clouds. Having Imogene use lightning themed magic while connected to the red moon (which was suspiciously never mentioned in EXU) is a bit of a big coincidence to ignore.
Also having the big red boi “avoiding” detection seems to indicate a form of sentience.
I thought that at first too but it’s pre calamity so it can’t be them
@@zalantra4753
yeah that's just major reaching. the primordials were sent through as meant realms ad the Leywright would allow, UNMADE and DISENCHANTED
@@zalantra4753 it was probably the gods that made it so people cant look to closely at the moon.
in call of the netherdeep, they give a myth that ruidus is just a remenant of a tear in the universe where alien entities seeped out. the gods may have shielded it so that people wouldnt try to wield the alien magics of the moon and be corrupted, as its hinted on of the things that slipped through the hole is the chained oblivion itself.
it would also explain Imogens sorcerer subclass, abberant mind, given this is the flavour text for the subclass:
*an alien influence has wrapped its tendrils around your mind, giving you psionic power. You can now touch other minds with that power and alter the world around you by using it to control the magical energy of the multiverse. Will this power shine from you as a hopeful beacon to others? Or will you be a source of terror to those who feel the stab of your mind and witness the strange manifestations of your might?*