Everyone seems to whine about how this map nerfs the Engineer multiple times but gives a load of perks for Spy. ...do you guys even play 2Fort? Turtle Engie nests are the most effective in this close-quarters map, Spies cannot sneak around due to said close-quarters; a stray spurt of fire, grenade or a rocket will reveal a Spy most of the time and can't offer much room to dance around. Hell, I expect this map to nerf Snipers a bit as well, since teams tend to pick Sniper a lot and a lot of them can make exiting your own territory really hard (not impossible)
Ok before I read the rest of that, it ain't difficult to go spy and to sap all their buildings. If you have a heavy he can hide while you get the engineer to follow you out, the heavy shoots the engie and we all know how that works. Then just go in and sap while the heavy gives you some cover from the 2nd engineer. Even if there's 3 or 4 then just get 2-3 spies, a pryo and a medic. Yes they are kinda difficult to take down but not as a team. That's why it's viable cause they do it as a team like the name suggest "Team Fortress 2"
Juochukwu Orji Yeah, says the spy main, it really is not, do you think you are supposed to be running straight towards the enemy uncloaked, and get somewhere?
Juochukwu Orji not every class has to be able to hold map control lol. The only classes that can are power classes like the soldier, demo or to an extent the heavy and the sniper because of his range and damage. Spy isn't meant to fill this role.
AeroliteGaming, I liked it because it adapts the map, to better it's stalemate problems. It has beautiful aesthetics. It got rid of reds annoying darkening-- I main sniper, so anyone on red had an advantage against me. I hope to see it in community servers, as i do have trouble downloading maps.
I was thinking of having a unique map mechanic added to the map. Aside from obviously adding a game timer to compel players to actually play to win, for a specific time every ~2 mins in the intel room, a power outrage with break out, causing all electronics (except a few emergency lights) to power down, including engie's buildings (sentries, dispensers, teleporters). This will last for around 5 seconds, giving the enemy team a chance to dogpile inside the room, destroy all turtles and nests and take the intel by force. This is kinda like an event trigger from the Clocktower in Helltower.
I really like 2fort, and seeing this makes me so happy that someone else actually cared enough to make it better. The only problems I see is 1) The lights on the edge of the water, I think they should be solid, since only the soldier and demo can go there, they're near useless but still fun to go up on. 2)the health room by the intel, I think this is kind of dumb and I don't see why you would want to hurt the engineer in so many ways, including the vantage point from above. Terri must really dislike engineer. Also you have 420 subs. I'm gonna make it 421
It looks over-designed. My favorite part of 2fort is deciding whether to take the courtyard or the spiral out of the Intel room. My idiot friend goes on about how its a bad map because it doesn't follow some arbitrary 3 lane rule "all FPSs should follow"
O'rly? What if I think you are the virus? If you're going to waste the time to pretend to be helpful and warn everyone about every "probably" in the world - why wouldn't you actually check it and report the truth to be actually helpful. Is it too dangerous for you to click? well then surely you aren't security expert enough to warn others about anything then. ppl can also just search for "slicer" in the TF2 game server browser.
+Ladical Rad the Highlander Not really. It makes it so that if an engineer wishes to be effective at defending the intel, he *has* to build _in_ the intel room, but now, with the additional angles of attack, it's even harder to defend down there, completely isolated from the rest of the team. For the intel to be that exposed, it needs to be moved closer to the defender's spawn. Look at ctf_doublecross or ctf_turbine, for example, the intel is very exposed on those maps but it's just a room away from main spawn, but on 2fort it's several winding corridors away. On this revamp, a scout or spy could grab your intel and be in the sewer and completely out of your base within moments, with little hope of recovery. This was clearly designed to favor spy and kneecap turtling, but ironically in doing so makes turtling in the intel room the _only_ effective means of defending the case.
+Gupper Because the comment functionality on the UA-cam mobile app is kind of crap - or maybe it's because I haven't updated it in two years...could be that. There, I've deleted the duplicate.
Courtyard and spawn haven't been nerfed, except for the chute down to intel in the tunnel that means you dont have to go through either, making putting a sentry there pointless.
What this map needs now is some real Sniper nerfs. I'd say add glass to the windows in the middle areas of each balcony and add some barricades on the ground outside that people can take cover behind.
![[Map Highlights] PL_2fort_CE_Final](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/itum-5g-FKw/mqdefault.jpg)
2:33 made me laugh. Great map though.
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Everyone seems to whine about how this map nerfs the Engineer multiple times but gives a load of perks for Spy. ...do you guys even play 2Fort? Turtle Engie nests are the most effective in this close-quarters map, Spies cannot sneak around due to said close-quarters; a stray spurt of fire, grenade or a rocket will reveal a Spy most of the time and can't offer much room to dance around. Hell, I expect this map to nerf Snipers a bit as well, since teams tend to pick Sniper a lot and a lot of them can make exiting your own territory really hard (not impossible)
Agreed.
Unrelated note, whats your thumbnail pic of?
Ok before I read the rest of that, it ain't difficult to go spy and to sap all their buildings. If you have a heavy he can hide while you get the engineer to follow you out, the heavy shoots the engie and we all know how that works. Then just go in and sap while the heavy gives you some cover from the 2nd engineer. Even if there's 3 or 4 then just get 2-3 spies, a pryo and a medic. Yes they are kinda difficult to take down but not as a team. That's why it's viable cause they do it as a team like the name suggest "Team Fortress 2"
I can tell this is true, as a good sniper I shot down entire teams without anyone to get out of their balcony, or even pass the bridge
Ankaa Avarshina a
@@JimBimBum Except teamwork doesn't happen, ever. This applies to all online games and should be accounted for.
I was wondering why the Rocket Jumper was the old design, then I realized this was uploaded 7 years ago.🗿
Same lol
This is a SUPER underrated channel. I'm subbed
But hes not good/has a 1 of 1 unusual
Heh.
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Time to turn this map into a slender map
well 2fort is already a slender map with proxy bosses...idk how this would work
Well the proxy’s kinda ruin it cuz I don’t really like infection modes
wdym "slender" ?
No slender fortress it like slenderman but In tf2 but with more monster things from I dunno other horror games
@@ihatehandles69slender fortress 2
These map seems to make engineer near userless and spy more overpowered
Yep
Juochukwu Orji
Yeah, says the spy main, it really is not, do you think you are supposed to be running straight towards the enemy uncloaked, and get somewhere?
Juochukwu Orji
He is 2nd fastest, many uncloaking spots, and, you can use stairs and corners well.
i agree this map is built to make spies near impossible to detect.
Juochukwu Orji not every class has to be able to hold map control lol. The only classes that can are power classes like the soldier, demo or to an extent the heavy and the sniper because of his range and damage. Spy isn't meant to fill this role.
Wow, thought you'd never upload again! Thanks for the great video man! :)
+JohnWKly Hey, no thank YOU for watching! more to come! :)
Your welcome! :)
I really flipping like this.
I got a question. Why do you like this/How did you find this?
AeroliteGaming, I liked it because it adapts the map, to better it's stalemate problems. It has beautiful aesthetics. It got rid of reds annoying darkening-- I main sniper, so anyone on red had an advantage against me. I hope to see it in community servers, as i do have trouble downloading maps.
I was thinking of having a unique map mechanic added to the map.
Aside from obviously adding a game timer to compel players to actually play to win, for a specific time every ~2 mins in the intel room, a power outrage with break out, causing all electronics (except a few emergency lights) to power down, including engie's buildings (sentries, dispensers, teleporters). This will last for around 5 seconds, giving the enemy team a chance to dogpile inside the room, destroy all turtles and nests and take the intel by force.
This is kinda like an event trigger from the Clocktower in Helltower.
Man I just love the revamp of this map SO MUCH
i played this map the other day and i can't praise it enough. it truly is the best way to play 2fort.
Hopefully this map becomes official.
I'm still waiting.
@@showcaase_ as am i.
same
@@dumblenutz5561 I still waiting too
Ahh, "Our Hearts Collide". Goodbye Muselk, out were good son, real good, many even the best!
Finally! This map has needed this badly. Great ideas all around.
2:30
Fuck...
MattDaddy64 FUKH
It's almost as if it's to keep engineers from building...
if thats you in the pic you kinda look a bit like elizabeth from bioshock.
I say this is a very good design . it fixes most problems with tf2 like stalemate and spawncampers
Now all we need to do is remove the intel so we can deathmatch while no one caps like regular 2fort
FOCK
-Engi's Last Word
I love the original 2Fort, but this looks so much better.
TWOFORTS MAP LAYOUT IS SO EASY TO REMEMBERNITS FANTASTIC
Man I used to play this map all the time, I love it
Every tf2 map is personalized
Weird how many of these changes are actually in the game now
That patch of water in the sewer that extinguishes you used to be a feature
Also the window in battlements used to be passable
Huh today i learned a lot of things i didnt know about original two fort as well as this new one. Nice.
I have a map u should review it's kind of a joke map but whatever PL_2fort
3:03 ? But you can already do that in the regular 2fort map?
yes but heavies wont be able to do it.
3 year late comment, but in default 2fort you can only jump over a Dispenser on ONE side. Yep.
@@numbug1234 oh, that’s pretty stinky
this is really good and can make 2fort a viable competetive map (as long as they change the unlimited time limit)
i hope valve looks at it
So... Engineer is less annoying and spy is actually viable... What else would you want?
Over-the-shoulder view makes my head spin
Seems like a fun map tho
This looks really cool
What's the music in the beginning of the video ?
And the best thing is that bots cant get in because its not a valve server and is a community one
GET IT IN, VALVE!
Man, listening to the 'Non-Solid' portion of this reminded me of Welcome to Nightvale
The Music at the beginning, so nostalgic...
I love this new map!
We needed!
2:58 i think you can go tru dispenser in this door but not when is sentry placed there
please what is name of the song in background
Double cross is a direct upgrade in opinion
make map even more easy 4 spies
This map makes Spy OP
isnt this music in the begining the music muselk uses in the end
Why was the Blu team dying when capturing the Intel? 0:00 - 0:48
i dunno probably a console command
thats too op fam
0:13 Song sound familiar?
Too ambitious
The map or me?
The map
I really like 2fort, and seeing this makes me so happy that someone else actually cared enough to make it better. The only problems I see is 1) The lights on the edge of the water, I think they should be solid, since only the soldier and demo can go there, they're near useless but still fun to go up on. 2)the health room by the intel, I think this is kind of dumb and I don't see why you would want to hurt the engineer in so many ways, including the vantage point from above. Terri must really dislike engineer. Also you have 420 subs. I'm gonna make it 421
Just Plain Soldier Main a really good force a nature scout can get up there too.
aayush desai lol, I used to play this on console, so I didn't account for the FoN, my bad m8.
Just Plain Soldier Main Turtling Engineers are hell in this map.
This is to slow down their progress, preventing Turtling at The intel room.
WOW, THAT MAP ARE SO COOL
This should be the actual map cuz this is great!
It looks over-designed. My favorite part of 2fort is deciding whether to take the courtyard or the spiral out of the Intel room. My idiot friend goes on about how its a bad map because it doesn't follow some arbitrary 3 lane rule "all FPSs should follow"
Golden Grenadier 2fort is sh**.
Rest of the video - reviews on decent changes to 2fort. 3:56 - Funny Barrel :)
I've got an idea:
2muchwater
the water level is raised.
Thats it
(and the little health+ammo room in the sewers is raised a bit)
So you can no longer sewer surf? If they were gonna do that they should've just made it so you could only walk above the water on one side.
The reason why I like 2fort is the stalemates
i love this map so much, it should replace the original
I like 2fort as well
But I think I like more aspects of the original 2fort map though
I really want to play this map but I can't find it in any server lists ;(
What song is this?
Lionel Machine Broke search: our hearts collide
Sky442 Spy
I was hoping for Darude - Sandstorm, but thanks :D
Will you work with gaben pls?
The classic muselk outro music...
Although I liked the song before muselk started using it.
Muselks intro in the backround
so this is tfc 2fort on tf2 right?
Seems good, but horrific for Soldier and Engie, and god tier for Spy.
Not sure about making all the lamps non solid, but otherwise these changes seem pretty good
Awesome tweaks! This map is now available on my 24/7 pro/custom map server:
sites.google.com/view/tf2-quickplay-slicer/
O'rly? What if I think you are the virus? If you're going to waste the time to pretend to be helpful and warn everyone about every "probably" in the world - why wouldn't you actually check it and report the truth to be actually helpful. Is it too dangerous for you to click? well then surely you aren't security expert enough to warn others about anything then.
ppl can also just search for "slicer" in the TF2 game server browser.
Great! Can't wait to play some turtle engi with... oh...
Meh, guess I can still play Combat Engineer...
FUHK.
-every turtle engineer
I forgot how many problems That map had cuz I had gotten so used to the BS lol
The background music is from muslek
So... basically makes the engi useless and spies more annoying
Bad engineers who operate independent of the team were always useless
+Ladical Rad the Highlander Not really. It makes it so that if an engineer wishes to be effective at defending the intel, he *has* to build _in_ the intel room, but now, with the additional angles of attack, it's even harder to defend down there, completely isolated from the rest of the team.
For the intel to be that exposed, it needs to be moved closer to the defender's spawn. Look at ctf_doublecross or ctf_turbine, for example, the intel is very exposed on those maps but it's just a room away from main spawn, but on 2fort it's several winding corridors away.
On this revamp, a scout or spy could grab your intel and be in the sewer and completely out of your base within moments, with little hope of recovery. This was clearly designed to favor spy and kneecap turtling, but ironically in doing so makes turtling in the intel room the _only_ effective means of defending the case.
Okusar why did you comment the same thing twice?
+Gupper Because the comment functionality on the UA-cam mobile app is kind of crap - or maybe it's because I haven't updated it in two years...could be that. There, I've deleted the duplicate.
Courtyard and spawn haven't been nerfed, except for the chute down to intel in the tunnel that means you dont have to go through either, making putting a sentry there pointless.
Better than official one
This is like 2Fort, except it's made for real gameplay and not just for the memes.
Did gabe newell make this? Let's nerf everyone but spy, and buff spy to impossible levels
spy nerfed,no sound
spy buffed,gibus engie mains says op
I LOVE IT!!! IT'S GOOD
Valve take notes!
I love this map
I think some of the cover from the balcon should have been removed, to make it harder for snipers.
this map was made by a spy main
Any servers running it?
Did anyone recreate the quake mods version of 2fort?
You might as well put engineer restriction on map.
holy shit this is awesome
how do i dowload maps?
I miss this map
Did they just manage to make this map good?
This is from tf2 classic right?
2:30 best part
I LOVE IT!
This hurts my muscle memory
More maps vids please
Will do!
someone is a spy main here
and its not me
Are there servers up for this?
yes
Why cant valve use this 2fort map then the old 2fort
They should make a Hightower remake.
It's perfect.
this map is epic, woah
can someone comment whats ip is this
What this map needs now is some real Sniper nerfs. I'd say add glass to the windows in the middle areas of each balcony and add some barricades on the ground outside that people can take cover behind.
Thank you
It's kinda like Fortress Forever's version of 2fort.