Sexualization in Fighting Games
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Fighting game publishers and developers have long recognized the power of jiggling spheres, but what secrets do these artifacts hold? What power do they truly possess? In this digital moving picture, we decided to dive deep into the pillowy depths of this topic, and try to find an answer to the age-old question of “who cares?”.
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I know the topic can usually give rise to kneejerk reactions, but let’s try to keep things civil. Also, I wanted to ask you one deeply serious, and very important question. Which franchise has the most attractive cast?
Has to be between KoF and DoA, I'd go with the former. Almost every single character is extremely attractive except for like Choi and Chin.
It's only been 20 mins and so many people are proving ur point at the end of the video 😂
Anything outside the US it seems 😅
Dead Or Alive Free. You can literally compare graphics for every DOA title to any of its contemporaries at the time and see for yourself. The jump in graphics from DOA1 to DOA2 put SEGA's Virtua Fighter to shame considering it was THEIR own hardware that TECMO was using for DOA
Tekken and DOA no contest.
" I love the kinda woman that could just kick my ass"
.Spike spiegel
I cannot hear this quote anymore without hearing the meme version.
Bro is literally me fr
"i love the kind of woman that actually just kill me. You know, when i left the house today i was thinking "damn, i really hope some hot chick paints my brains all over some fuken hallway" and here we are"
-Spike Spiegel- Gianni Matragrano
Hell yeah
I love the kind of woman that will actually just kill me
"And no, we're not talking about Voldo" aaaaand you lost me💀
10:00 thru 10:48 Best take here.
-West- USA is chill with violence (to a degree) while mostly prudish about sex.
-East- Japan is chill with sex (to a degree) while mostly prudish about violence
West: Lets be violent for no reason while looking generic and ugly taking drugs with booze!
East: Lets be violent in a stylish and creative purpose while embracing sexuality to the max!
West is chill with violence just to a degree? MK fatalities are more gruesome than any war we’d see in the real world
@@Amaling Yes. To a degree. Otherwise MK would be rated T for teen.
I'm not convinced that Eastern countries are OK about sex on screen. Are the any non-Japanese examples of this?
If by "West" you mean "USA", then yes.
As one of the few women in the comments section, I like hot ladies too. Hot guys as well because that is true equality. May or may not be the reason why I played SF6, lol.
I honestly would love to hear more woman, who are actually playing the games, talk about it. usually its women who dont play fighting games or games at all who talk about the topic. And i think if we get sexy females in our games, we should also get sexy dudes.
Exactly I'm all for both side to be sexualised, I'm always finding it funny when I see a male with just a loin kit and I would use him for the laugh all the time. Anyway, I dont get why games dont add a sort of ''sexualisation'' option in games just like the ''blood'' or ''gore'' option...So if someone hate it just turn it off so that any sexualised outfit doesnt appear. These compagnies could EASILY satisfy all group of poeples and every tastes. But isntead they shit their pants and only bow to the prude/none-gamer demographic.
I’m a girl too but when I play fighting games, I care about the playstyle, personalities, and storyline. For sexualization, I find it unfair it’s used on one gender (Such as making women the target of sexualization). Yet again, it’s true that a part of it means expressing yourself. It’s balanced when all genders get fanservice as long as they’re 18 and up.
@@cailieisidro5758 Well, to be fair if your playerbase is 90% of males it's normal it's focus is on the female characters, it just make sense. But I'm all up for both side male or female....but it's logical to see it a bit more on one side. As for the 18+, I'm more about what the character look like rather a fictional age on a fictional character. Particularly on japanese games were they have that odd habits to make a 15 years old look like 30 and a 1000 years old like like 12. If you see what I mean.
@@Extasei I know the looks of the character is odd because just like what you said “A 15 year old can look like a 32 year old and someone who’s around a thousand looks like a 12 year old”, but the reason why I said 18 and up is because below that is of a minor. I know there’s teen characters who get sexualized but that’s so wrong, especially since the male fanbase would get very horny. Speaking of which, it’s the reason why I don’t like video game sexualization. From my comment yesterday, it’s the female wearing a fanservice outfit while males are a lot more covered. It’s that double standard where men get mad at woman lusting over hot guys when they can treat the female character about the same or even worse
I think NRS went to the opposite spectrum of sex sales. Most of the dudes are hot. Have you seen Omni-Man's booty?
have you seen mileena's booty in mk1 and thge other girls in the game or are you just looking at Omni-Man's
@@TheDarioushurtHave you seen the girls in MK before Sweet Baby Inc got a hold of NRS? Stop it.
There is no company stupidier than NRS.
Yes they did exactly like you said. The problem is their player base 99% male
Just look at MK11, where half of the male roster has skins where it's just some shorts and nothing else.
@@intellectic9155
no i dont think you have you sound like a idiot and tell me how did your Sweet Baby Inc boogyman get ahold of them and do?
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I’ll let it be known now. I’m watching this for the wrong reasons.
Or the right reasons. Tomatoe, Tomato…😉
hello my fellow Ivy Valentine wanka
Its so wierd that we live in a time where people are open and sometimes too open about their sexual preferences and kinks yet we see this kind of backlash against more fleshy content in entertainment.
“Weird”
You nailed it.
"Everyone should know my exact sexuality! But also Everyone should dress like nuns otherwise it is offensive!"
It's because to them progress is all that matters women can't be sexy in vixeogames cause it's for the scary evil male gaze which is heteronormative and all of that stupid bullshit which is why they want you to know there sexuliaty because it's quer and progressive and there children who need attention because there children who need validation so they need progress regardless of the since they make
Exactly, they praise OF, but in video games its offensive
Funnily enough nobody complained before generation fragile started complaining about everything that makes them feel insecure which turns out to be quite a lot of stuff 🤣. Future is bright 💀
Exploding guts and gore in MK is ok but women showing some skin is where they draw the line?! Sure that makes sense
Ed boom want to bring it back revealing skin MK9 outfit.
The logic can be that exploding guts and gore are not something your ordinary consumer has to deal with too often and therefore showing it on screen does not cause significant concern
@@stravvman More like I think NRS just got afraid of being offensive, even if them (as Midway) being deliberately offensive is what made Mortal Kombat popular in the first place. Old Mortal Kombat was not just violent, it also had sexualized character designs which remained until MK9.
The thing that changed is that ultra-violence just does not cause the same moral panic as it did in the 90s, hence NRS is not afraid of filling their game with it.
Sexualization on the other hand causes moral panic just as much today as it did in the 90s (if not more so), so now they are afraid of featuring it.
The main thing I think changed is who gets offended. In the 90s, it was mostly people with strong christian values. Now it tends to be people who lean pretty far to the left.
For the millionth time, yes. It's always been like this. People can die be beaten up and be shot but sex? No. Welcome to conservative America.
I don't have a problem with Blood nor with sexualized characters. But i do think NR did a good effort with MK11 and MK 1 in the art design. The bodies of the fighters still athletic and muscular as It should be for Martial artists but the costume design now Is More focused in expressing character beyond sexuality. This gives the characters More deep without a single dialogue.
USA is totally weird about this kind of stuff. Its fine to have the most brutal video games but god forbid there is some titttie to see and everybody gets a nervousbreakdown somehow.
As a woman in the FGC, I tend to identify better with FG characters who are women when they're dressed in a less overtly-sexualized way. I don't picture myself wearing high-heels to a fight. Other women may feel the opposite way, but that's my perspective, fwiw.
Art can be sexual. “Over” is subjective
How observant
fr, it's subjective, those so said it perhaps they're too insecure because these characters are more handsome and beautiful than them. it's something that is being sexualized, not them (players), just play the damn game.
@@MRworldEtIkA where do you draw the line between healthy sexuality & perversion?
@@guitaroach _"where do you draw the line between healthy sexuality & perversion?"_
Why would we need to draw such a line in the first place? As long as no one is being harmed, adults should be free to enjoy what they like, regardless of someone else's definition of morality.
@@faynarawn4164the problem with that is pedophile exists and I know that's wrosr case example but pedophile should not be allowed in any capacity because even if the children who don't exist it's still children there flapping to
So hot half naked ripped and muscular men is fine and doesn't play into women's sexual fantasy (see exhibit a hot ryu) but a girl in a bikini is wrong? Big double standard here. Both are fine it's just a game, it's not like we're teaching it to kids
Sex sells and people buy it. If people dont like it, then dont buy it. I like it.
The same games have more things beyond sex.
So some buy it for that, others like you for sex the ONLY people who b1t(hing and moaning are a small groups who want to ruin everything fun for everyone in order to feel better about themselves who mind you also would NEVER buy the games they try to ruin.
I Also agree with your solution as well, if they don't like it, don't buy it and not what they're trying to do
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I always thought that poeples complaining about sexualisation/sex appeal was dumb. All that compagnies have to do is make outfit for both spectrum. Dont like sexy stuff? pick the fully clothed outfit and vice versa...I dont get why they just cant do both...in a era where every character have 10 different outfits...
@@Extasei Why would devs make outfits for every single weirdo on the internet? It takes manhours which could go into something more useful.
Honestly, personally, as long as hypersexualization goes both ways (for male and female characters), there shouldn't be much to debate about imo 🙃
Tekken solved this pretty well by giving male characters fundoshi's which reveal more skin than the female characters lol
Tekken 4 2001 had Heihachi on a thong, no woman in Tekkenverse appeared wearing a thong in the fighting mode.
even streetfighter 5 had Ryu all shirtless with the most chiseled abs you'll ever see
DOA 5 had swimming trunks for the dudes and even some of the Halloween dlc costume sets kinda looked like male stripper clothes and certain people still never stfu about how “evil” the game was for its hyper sexualization towards the female characters
"Oh nooo a female character in a videogame has a few too much #FFCEB4 pixels, that's so insensitive"
*rips the intestines out of someone and turns them into a god damn soccer ball before kicking it full volley through thier torso in mortal kombat*
American standards in a nutshell 😂
Well, you yourself showed why no one takes the latter seriously
hmmmm it almost like the gore is essentially to mortal kombat its what made the game stand out
@@chaserseven2886You are totally right my friend, gore is the defining feature/graphical choice behind MK and thus gives it it's right of existence.
Now just riddle me this my friend...
how does one defining choice of graphics in a game makes you, the consumer, a horny deadbeat coomer, while the other one does not make you a saddistic psychopath in the eyes of society?
How can we allow mass dismemberment and crimes that would require a whole geneva convention to adress but draw the line at some pixelated anime tiddies?
Way to miss the point.
7:20 I play for the T&A. Idgaf who knows.
I'm not about to pretend I don't like seeing bouncing tiddies and thicc rumps while playing a game. Ofc I do, and so do you. Ya, even you who is rolling their eyes right now reading this. Yep, you too.
I play for the "culture" as well, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. If people want to live in denial of sexuality, a natural aspect of humanity, that's their problem. We didn't get to 8 billion people on this planet by NOT liking sex.
I don't have anything against for characters to be sexy but I dislike if it's too over the top. I understand that it may not be an issue to some. Who am I to judge?
@@kadinnui2282 Well, in all seriousness, I mean, I like skimpy outfits, and attractive characters. I honestly have zero use for nudity, or borderline nudity.
At least, that's where I sit. I never touch nude mods or anything, and that's just the downright truth. I find it idiot to be playing a game, with a character that's wearing nothing.
Sexualization in fighting games is great
So many iconic and fan favourite characters got created because of that, Mileena, Nina Williams, Mai Shiranui, Kasumi, Felicia etc.
It’s great as long as it’s done appropriately
You forgot the best girl of all. Tina Armstrong
@@dnkndonutts8662 Totally agree, the sexier the better. That's the only appropriate way to sexualize fighting games. Cover up just enough to make you wonder, but reveal just enough to let you imagine.
Funny thing is people forget sexualization in fighting games goes both ways. You’ve got EXTREMELY attractive and oversexed dudes like Ken, Terry and Andy Bogard, Geese Howard, Jacky Bryant, practically every DOA guy, Liu Kang, Jax, Jago, Miguel and Eddy from Tekken along with Jin and Kazuya, and about a billion other examples that people ignore all the time.
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Here's the thing. Both ultra violence and oversexualization should be allowed IN A FUCKING VIDEO GAME FEATURING FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.
And either can be excluded. You are not entitled to both.
@@cui8789neither is the game company if they think they can moralize the paying customer
but the problem with oversexualizing, it being normalized is toxic to the community, imo it shouldn't be normal hyper sexualize or fixate on FICTION CHARACTERS, this is why we have people crying because a characters breasts is smaller, crying because a character has their coat on and can't see their ass well enough. Im not against sexualizing fiction, but there's a point where people can't even differentiate between real and fiction because they'd rather choose fiction as their reality. While this does not apply to everyone, but it can get sad to watch.
@@pyronation8721i think it'd be less an issue with dialing back the sex appeal if they didn't do it for obvious pandering reasons or even say so themselves in some manner.
Majority of people i've met online CAN tell fiction from reality. It's the ones that are against sexualization in ANY sense or treat fictional characters as real people that are the issue. Just look at Bayonetta, as example. People used to scream "Sexualization!!!" up and down until it was revealed a woman created her. Suddenly; silence. We can't use the "male gaze" card anymore and have no ammo. Then she became a "lesbian icon". Art released of her with a man and child; absolute rage along with death threats. Only people who can't separate fiction from reality would be doing these things. They shouldn't consume it; but they're the ones being targeted with the modern audience-ing of media.
MK1 and T8 had tune down booba alot,
Sexualization in Fighting Games is a good feature. No doubt.
Fantasy is a thing in every media, including video games.
If I was younger, I might disagree. But as an older lesbian, I simply don't care because its not real.
I dont mind the tits and other stuff because i like it. Its normal unless you are asexual.
However, i know video games are not real. Same as films, books, arts, and other media.
It is just a twisted world from the real world.
To be honest, i dont care about the criticism. I like my women to be sexy. Yes, im werid.
No, you're not weird, there's nothing weird about liking sexy women, feeling weird because you love sex and sex appeal is just remnants of puritanism that is unique to American culture.
You're not weird, but media is still a representation (be it direct or not, conscious or unconscious) of our anxieties, wishes, fears etc etc as either a group or individuals
Liking hot women, with all the contradictions implied, is cultural.
I mean DOA should have just stayed at embracing its fanservicey side. It killed itself when they wanted to 'tone it down' with 6. It's like making Wolfenstein or Doom any less brutal.
exactly. they alienated audience.
Exactly doa 5 was peak...they reduced lewd stuffs from doa 6 and no omg motion..killed it for me
or blazblue and guilty gear without going over the top with finishing off your enemies......im looking at you nine who drops multiple planet killing space rocks at your opponents oof
@@rexflamevermillion5527 yeah, a shame strive is a lesser game, i gotta see blazblue if that's what happened in the game
Balanced take, I do hope that devs get to make whatever they want to make first and foremost, regardless of which way they take the designs. Games are art, and art is best when it comes from the heart ❤
and balls
@@Crystal-fm7fpand balls
I think the art on the thumbnail is one of Reiq's Juri pieces, he sometimes does an anatomy and gesture study stream their pretty fun and relaxing drawing along and asking questions on how to improve your drawings.
Reiq is the goat, such a talented and humble guy
Watch this be their most popular video.
Juri pays the bills.
I've been playing videogames since the late 1980's, I miss the days when people didn't complain about sexualization in general. From my experience the people that complain the most are the people that don't play the games, or read the comics, or watch the anime's. These people are tourists. I believe in equality, If the male characters in any game are showing skin, the females should too. The double standards in this topic are nothing more then frustrating. Gaming is a (or used to be) escape from the world. Yet these tourists, want to push there ideas and world view into everything, destroying everything geek culture in the process. Along with constant attempts to stop or at least sabotage anyone or any company that wish to go against them.
Finally someone said It, These people are tourists.
gaming isnt meant to be an escape from reality, thats just you personally mate
@@ralphwiggum3463 No, not just me. Many gamers share my view. Why even antagonize this?
??? Yes it is, that's literally what people play them for@@ralphwiggum3463
@@ralphwiggum3463I've never played a game for being closer to IRL. I play it for entertainment and the fact it isn't an IRL activity. I can't go save the world and slay a demon IRL. I can't jump off a cliff and respawn as if nothing happened. I can't go look for treasure by ship on a sea of fire. I can't kill 80 million people in sky colonies IRL.
How is any of that NOT an escape from reality?
One sentence explained it to me so well.
"In fighting games the things you are staring at 100% of the time are the characters, Make your players WANT to stare at them."
it's quite ironic for Mortal Kombat to be ok with brutally murdering your opponents, but not ok with showing a sideboob
The main people who complain about the fan service are people who aren't fans. The vast majority of the fighting game audience is male, and no amount of female pleasing and pandering will change that. You never hear of anyone, male or female, saying "Wow, i'm glad they finally covered up. Now I want to buy the game!".
I realize i'm coming off as crude about it, but i'm just giving the raw truth. The fans, mainly men, like the fan service. The fans are the one's actually investing in these games, not the people just finger wagging from the outside. So who should developers actually listen to? The people that actually matter, the fans that actually like the content and buy it, not the people shaming them into changing their content and giving them nothing for it.
They should just mind their own business and let the fans enjoy their games in their respective communities in peace. Maybe have someone become a game dev and make games with absolutely no fan service in it, then enjoy that and leave everyone else alone.
This guy gets it…
The egyptian fighting community only considers buying games that don't show women in near naked clothing. Like mk11 default skins and dbfz. When there is no sex in a game, you guys just get discouraged. But when there is sex in a game, it discards itself from being purchased by us since it is literally forbidden for us to see in the first place
This is called gate keeping.
Fighting games are already full of gatekeeping scum that want to vs the same 50 people in their dead game.
It's about expansion of a playerbase which believe it or not is possible and already happening with the newer generation of fighting games (Talking purely statistics SF6 being one of the biggest fighting games of all time).
It's smarter business wise to cater to a larger group, Not a room full of freaks nutting over frame perfects and virtual girls
you have no proof
@@BruhMomentOCE If attractive women in fighting games is gate keeping, then so be it, but that's just stupid if we're being honest here. Like I said, the majority of those complaining about it don't even play the games they're complaining about and had no interest to begin with. The Mortal Kombat scene didn't EXPLODE with new players after heavily toning down the sex appeal of their female characters, it's the same players that were already playing and new players that were interested in the game anyway. Pandering doesn't work and it's never going to work.
Fighting games are easier to get into now than ever before, from simplified controls to in-depth tutorials, but sexy female characters are the gate?
That is flat out bullshit.
When I was a kid my Mom tried to play XMEN VS Street Fighter once. The character she liked to use was Storm. She was surprisingly good at using her and I'm pretty sure Storm was Mom's favorite because a black woman with superpowers can appeal to black women in general. I know there's a difference between what Storm was wearing and DOA, but you can't deny that strong, attractive women in a video game where there's some type of violence is gonna appeal to women who like to play videogames. And I think today most people who complain about over sexualization either bend the knee or probably don't play videogames at all.
Personally I have no problems with sexualization or violence but I have big problems with anyone who wants to try to censor an art form, be it cinema, literature, music or video games. I hope this new obscurantism ends soon
Still waiting for bikini costumes in tekken 8
So long as Zafina gets one.
There are, though don't know if it's mods or in game.
There's videos with Reina and Calvin Klein underwears in fact
@@Aki-kh2qe-StreetKidZZZ it's a mod sadly
@@Aki-kh2qe-StreetKidZZZThose are mods.
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Personally I never really understood why ppl was so obsessed with sexualization in games. Like why does it matter so much to ppl. I get the issue of censorship and I think that’s a fine line, but people who get upset with a lack of sexuality in Games is just weird. Where I think it becomes a problem is when you intentionally don’t allow certain body types because of shaming. All body types should be allowed I. Games because representation across all ends of the spectrum matter, but when it’s just going out of way to be insanely sexualized to the point where it’s OD that’s when it gets weird.
Sexuality is ok because it’s life but there comes a point where it goes from whatever to you need to go find something in real life Lmao.
Why do YOU care why someone buys a product? Why can’t YOU let people enjoy things the way they’d like? And to wrap things up…obviously there are ALOT more people that want the ‘oversexualization’ than whatever NRS has done with MK1.
Sex sells. It has been since before Jesus Christ walked the earth in every community in this planet. And it will long after this video. And your weird take.
A bit of sexualization isnt inherintly bad but somtimes its a bit of a cheap gimmick imo that and if they want to sexualize women so bad sexualizing men should be normalized too
People will always be envious/jealous of art & other things they don't & or can’t have.
I’m not dismissing the argument, my point is if attractive looking characters are seen as an issue, we got a problem that’s deeper than just “over sexualization”.
Most “arguments” are from a historical context, which is understandable, however isn’t actually relevant to the topic at all, as art, violence & attractiveness/sexuality is not inherently bad by themselves.
Context is key here & most complaints about videogames are purely political, not about actual content, which frankly has put videogames in a odd spot right now.
When I say “politics” I don’t mean the usual “complaints” when people bring it up, I mean forcing the cultural ideas & ideals of one country onto another.
Yes, both America & Canada are Culturally diverse, that’s not the problem.
The Problem is America & or Canada making art & or games about A SPECIFIC CULTURE & forcing another culture into it for the sake of diversity instead of just having it take place in a cultural melting pot like America & or Canada to begin with.
There are exeptions to this like the languages & localizations in order to understand what’s going on.
However, in general it’s best to be as close to the source material as possible since that’s where most of the context & inspiration is from.
The whole “updates for a modern audience” thing is bullshit too since it’s more purely political than actual concern for improvement of the source material.
The war against fun continues...
Only insecure immature people can complain about sexualization in fighting games, while their teenage daughters are walking around the city in yoga pants, it's hypocrisy at its finest.
For me, sexualization is often discussrd too narrowly and boils down to calculating amount of skin shown and whether the character's body type is 'sexy' or not.
People forget all about performance and PURPOSE of sexuality. Is the character supposed to be a dominant or sadist? Are they embarassed or confident about their sexuality? Do they have character traits that make them sexier regardless of attire? Do they fullfill a specific fantasy or fetish?
Like, for example, I think Nagoriyuki and Leo Whitefang from GGST are potentially incredibly sexy male characters, not because of their meat (tho Nago sure has some) but because they're both outwardly very masculine in their personalities but also have traits of hidden character depth, they have unspoken history, some mystery. Leo has PTSD which he covers up with bravado, Nago has some kind of struggle with his desires. Plus even the Onigiri rant is the kinda thing that I feel like some girls would find hot 😂
TL;DR Men and women have different things they find appealing. Nudity =/ sexualization
Exactly bro
There’s so much to think of when discussing how sexualised a character is that it goes beyond just how much skin is showing. There’s things like personality traits and voices and demeanours and so much stuff that can contribute towards how appealing a character is.
Always very pleased with pieces like this from you, means a lot as a sociologist. Often people dont critically interact with the media they consume and then are surprised when they hold biases or prejudice
Enjoyed the video. Bayonetta is one of those characters where I think this is handled super well. Style off the charts. 💋
I like the sexualization in fighting games because I think it adds to the appeal of the female characters 💯💯 and I like the bosoms and buttocks that which women have been gifted with 🗿🗿💯💯💯💯
Hey! What are you looking at?
Me: "Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers to?"
This discussion takes me back to that South Park episode at the end where the parents were surprised about nudity instead of a child got hurt. The more of the story people are more worried about sexual things than violence. Also I think fan service should be there in games but just know what audience that liked it. I think that both sides on the topic of women being sexy and video games, I can see the reason on both sides they both bring up some good points and ways that women can be more than sexy objects for gamers.
this is such a real video. it takes a lot of guts to post this in the current fgc, but also controversy is good for views, so i guess its a win-win. 🏳🌈
All those people complaining about sexualization in anime and video games are just hypocrites.
They don't care about sexualization when real women expose their body on IG or OF.
They only oppose it when men have a way to satisfy their desires without depending on other women.
It's not about "sexualization" or social justice, it's about power, as usual.
Almost like their issue isn't tied to sexiness and is in fact to do with agency.
The same people who complain about sexy characters in games will then turn around and praise Cardi B even though Cardi B is ten times more creepy than Mileena or Tifa Lockhart.
exactly. Idk if ya'll realize, these people aren't targeting the product, they're trying to ruin things for the audience because they're miserable fucks @@irvinmorales1409
@@shandy6198Their issue also seems to be not being able to separate reality from fiction. Fictional characters don’t need agency since they simply aren’t real breathing sentient people, for they are merely a part of a product (games, movies, shows, tshirts, posters, etc.)
"Sexualization in Fighting Games", there isn't enough of it these days. Say what you will, try and moral posture, but sex sells. End of story.
Agreed.
These "feminist" prudes are the most petty and pissy people.
Considering what mr Wiz is known for now. DOA did absolutely nothing wrong.
As a longtime MK fan, I have been so disappointed with the recent releases and their female costume designs. Majority of them are very similar now, all covered up with little to no sexiness. It's not even just the lack of sex appeal that's a problem, it's that the costumes are also incredibly over detailed and don't really feel like there's any passion in them, and a lot of them just don't even feel like MK costumes.
So many ppl lack nuance when it comes to this kind of discourse. Usually if you share a similar stance as I do, you're met with a lot of gaslighting or labelled as a porn addict. Obviously I have no issue with having female characters that are covered up or lack sex appeal, but now MK has gone completely in the other direction where there is barely any sex appeal. There is nothing wrong with variety in the levels of sex appeal, from having the most reserved character to the most scantily clad.
There is also a blatant hypocrisy among MK fans. When Male characters in MK show a lot of skin, its fine and some fans even drool over them, yet when a female character shows skin it's "objectifying" or adhering to the male gaze.
Also, character design is art. Taste is subjective ofc but the best art is usually created when you have full artistic freedom, and it's obvious MK either doesn't have that freedom or want to take that risk.
My final point is that it's a bloody R18 game FFS. If you're playing an r18 game like MK, ofc you're gonna expect mature content (partial nudity in MKs case). That was one of their selling points. Also, I'm tired of all the realism arguments. You have characters who have magic abilities, males like Johnny Cage or Kotal fighting in high cut shorts, yet female characters fighting in a revelaling outfit is "unrealistic".
Why not just find a middle ground ? Give the characters who have revealing outfits a more reserved outfit if ppl can't handle sex appeal, that would be fine.
It's ironic coming from the franchise that literally made its name off of being as over the top and edgy as possible. I loved the extreme battle damage from MK9 yet it's not as detailed in the next few games.
Also, most cosplays from MK tend to be the costumes from MK9! People like sexy characters. You don't see me complaining that Shao Kahn is basically dressed up like a male pole dancer!
my guy after mk9 they wanted the games to be more serious so they took all that sh1t out
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MORE serious? By making stories even more ridiculous and focusing more on comic relief from Johnny Cage? No.
Current MK is a laughingstock. MK9 and earlier were much more serious with a more comprehensive lore.
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@@irvinmorales1409 I agree. I think it's very telling which costumes fans prefer when majority tend to love the older costumes or use them as cosplay.. I've even seen a few cosplays of MKX costumes but barely anything from 11, and I doubt anyone would cosplay MK1 costumes (especially Tanya, Mileena, Nitara and Sindel)
I don’t mind a bit of sexualisation in fighting games, what bothers me is when the community forces it.
Like people will put their screen name as “Juri Footjob” or whatever and I don’t know it just feels a bit vulgar
There are so many ways you can express this shit, I don’t get why it has to also be in fighting games above and beyond them having attractive characters
Mods as well, when the devs deliberately design them not to wear revealing clothing, or sometimes even underage characters like Lilli on Tekken and a really popular mod will be
“Bikini lilli with jiggle physics”
I just think at that point watch porn, there’s even animated porn. I’m not saying don’t be horny, but there’s SO many outlets I really don’t get the mindset of seeing something non sexual or even only like pg sexual and having to make it as sordid as possible, are you playing with 1 hand? I don’t get it.
People are degenerates I love sexy in stuff women but you make a point
the saddest part is these are adult men and women thirsting over pixels like cmon lol
Speaking of Lili being underage... Look at Amy and Talim from SC6, both are supposed to be 15, yet... Well, they don't reveal too much, but still. It's just boring asf imo.
@@terry.1428here's a fun fact for ya: the Aphrodite of Knidos, an ancient Greek statue, was one of the first lifesize female nudes in Greek history. Turns out, men were so horny for it that there are documented incidents of at least one person breaking into the temple in which it was housed and, uhhh, "staining" it with his...y'know. Manly stuff.
People have always been degenerate. Thirsting over pixels now isn't that different from thirsting over statues 2500 years ago. It's still maidenless behavior, but it's nothing new.
It's worse with lili considering in lore she's meant to be like 17 or something? So all of the adult fans lusting over her is fucking weird
This was a good essay. Personally I welcomed when Mortal Kombat X's character designs struck a healthy balance between fanservice and generally looking like something someone might wear to a fight. 11's costumes got criticized for being prudish, but there are a lot of options there (a lot more so than in the new Mortal Kombat 1 in my estimation) if you are willing to unlock them. A lot of the revealing outfits for characters like Jade are still present; they're just not available right away, and you can't just spend disproportionate amounts of money to immediately unlock them as with the newer Dead or Alive fighting games. Around the time Ninja Gaiden II (Xbox 360) came out, a girl who's been one of my best friends since before that time pointed out that it's not impossible or mutually exclusive for a female character to be portrayed attractively, even sexually, and for her to still have agency and a story of her own, so there's no reason for me to believe (as I did at the time, long ago) that it's inherently unflattering for a woman to be dressed like that in a game (now for a girl like Rikku from Final Fantasy, or Ann from Persona 5, I think it's really creepy because of her age, and the latter brings this up multiple times in the game; even Skullgirls, whose female character designs tended to be both sexualized and macabre at the same time, avoided this for its child characters).
You also touched on some good points about how games are (and, especially, WERE) marketed. The Tomb Raider games never really sexualized Lara Croft, but the marketing and especially the urban legends (e.g., "nude codes") tended to do so. If you go back and look at how games tended to be marketed around the turn of the century, it could often be a lot more male-centric and a lot more crass (remember PC Accelerator magazine?) than I think it is now, and I think the controversy not so much over fighting games but more over games like the PS2 Grand Theft Auto titles started moving the industry toward something that was more mainstream-approachable, particularly a few years later when Call of Duty 4 and then Angry Birds and FarmVille blew up, bringing gaming to even more audiences.
You also brought up cultural differences in acceptance of visibility of graphic violence versus visibility of sexual content. Those cultural differences probably have at least some root in religion-in a lot of American religious environments, children are exposed to some degree of violence from a young age through Bible stories (whether learning about Jesus the Nazarene or learning about the Biblical portrayal of the Israelites and the surrounding people groups - and, yes, I do think this comfort with violence may well have implications for our foreign policy, whereas movies and games took the heat for being "too violent" - compare some of the Fox News clips you posted, except for the "sexbox?" clip about Mass Effect 1 - despite none of our many wars being caused by Mortal Kombat or Grand Theft Auto), under the umbrella of various subcultures that don't always tend to be forthright about sexual topics even in the context of married adults. Meanwhile, it wouldn't surprise me if Japan and various places in Europe, especially Germany, have a combination of 1) being often more secular than the US and less innately dependent on "cultural identity religious identity" and 2) having had their own struggles with imperialism in the not-too-distant past, are trying to go out of their way to avoid giving the appearance of glamorizing that in their media. (Wolfenstein 3D only just got removed from Germany's list of indexed video games about five years ago.)
I always liked the Dead or Alive games both for a number of their character designs (Ryu, Helena, Hitomi, Ayane, though I knew of the first and fourth primarily from Ninja Gaiden) and for their gameplay mechanics, but I would love for the series to get a Mortal Kombat 9-esque reboot where people start taking the games seriously for their gameplay. I was never very good at them, but I felt like something worth learning was there.
Thank you very much for sharing your well constructed thoughts on this issue. It never felt like you were singling anyone out, not Sarkeesian, not people who want "sensible in universe" costume choices, not people who just want fanservice. I felt like your points were well presented.
Same. I think good essay to represent of this topic.
I always think Mileena in X is hers best design ever.
An actually good thought out comment
Great response, I agree a lot. It’s entirely possible to have sexy designs without relying on bikini costumes or what have you, it’s just about striking a good balance and respecting the characters. MKX was a good example of that imo.
@@giosbizarreart9048 I'd meant to say "thank you" for saying so, I appreciated it.
The debate is so we1rd that ppl will bash the wemen in mk and call them ugly for not being dressed like strippers even when in reality, they have the best designs that they've ever had in the series......they're just not dressed like strippers
Honestly Kitana is still pretty good looking.
I totally agree with the "avatar as a character" point as a dragunov main. I am a retired martial artist who went to tournaments with a quiet demeanor but undefeated sparring record. I love the idea of a goofy little guy that enjoys his time as a fighter but has his own uninteresting average life outside of fighting because that's who I used to be. I play dragunov because we are one and the same as fighters of few words, simple lives, and oppressive fights. No other character comes close to that, and I will forver be a drag main for that very reason.
“Jin and Victor are very muscular and attractive I feel offended & threatened”-said no man ever.
Even tho sexualization is kinda a controversy with people liking it and others hating it. In my opinion theres no big deal with it. Especially most fighting games with sexualization has stuff to turn it off. And most games like dead or alive was made from it. Sexualization isnt a problem as long its not creepy like or the characters are underage. But i don't know why people act like its the worst thing but dont care if games like gta let you get escorts or murder people
This is why we can't have nice things to enjoy, more often than so we have sleezy puritans complaining about the oversexualization of fictional video game characters, yet when push comes to shove, Megan Thee Stallion still got W.A.P on the radio as she goes to cosplay as Bruno Bucciarati to present anime award of the year at the Crunchyroll Awards. 🤨
2:08 Weird how big boobs = sexualization. Are girls with big boobs not allowed to be anything besides sex objects?
Stop strawmanning. He never said big boobs=sexualization. A character can be flat in both ways and still be oversexualized.
He even said that it is the cleavage, buttox combined with the lack of clothing that makes it oversexualized. It is especially bad in mk9 because they all share the same body making sexy the default
@@er7776so, the problem?
@@qwertyuiop24042 literally in the first two words i wrote
It is kinda weird how depicting a woman with her top off is less acceptable than depicting a woman with her top half missing 😅
I don't think the term 'cultural norms' apply nearly as much to censorship in the west as it does in Japan or Korea. In the US or Europe, It's a kind of FORCED censorship that all but the most fringe of people reject completely, done by people who are putting their own personal values over both the product AND the people who normally enjoy it. The west is literally built on sexualization, just look at the music/movies/magazines/etc. The culture hasn't rejected it, it's the activist groups are attempting to force it out.
We need .more sexualisation in games. Eff the woke weirdos
I don't think people are weirdos. They have their reasons.
It didn't shaked the game industry. I see alot tits and butts
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@@itsbeyondme5560 They have been indoctrinated. Yes they are weirdos. Most of the ones complaining don't even play the games they are complaining about. If you don't like it don't buy it
@Majestros true. Don't buy it . Agree
What are you yapping about bruh lmfao, everything is fine as is
@@Majestros bro you the only one indoctrinated here, you claim all you dislike to be woke. yet point the finger at others. you're the weirdo who is out of touch.
what getting no pussy does to a man... yikes
It's a complicated situation that only a small group of people are offended by which only grew in recent years. For reference, look at 2B's debut as dlc for Blaze Blue and how many people support her inclusion while the main protagonist in the upcoming Stellar Blade have people losing their minds because the model who mocap the character's proportions and animation. On top of that, these sexualization complaints only target female characters while male characters are allowed to be shown off with more skin, muscle tone, and in more revealing outfits with no backlash.
I can't see these two words anymore, they annoy me to a point I definitely don't want to see those two words anymore: sexualization and oversexualized.
Every time I see these words now I have the tension rising with my stress, its getting on my nerves, it's piss me off to a point you can't even imagine.
It almost makes me sick, I feel totally nauseous when I see these words. seriously.
Seriously, I really can't stand any more of this "progressive" language worthy of 1984.
Is it so wrong to make characters look attractive? It's not like anyone is being harmed
ig it aint that bad it just makes me feel a bit il and its extremely awkward but i guess il just have to cope
I like sexualized character in games ONLY IF it fits in her lore... But over sexualization without logic or reason? I hate that, there's a proper media for that...
Sex sells. It always has. It always will.
I genuinely like Dead or Alive for it's fighting and style. The fanservice is just the cherry on top of a really fancy cake. It saddens me when so many people dismiss it because of the fanservice.
I'll try not to say too much as discussions on the internet tend to not lead anywhere, but you got it right: It's money. Always has been.
"But cultural norms!" - Breaching cultural norms will lead to less sales from those who feel offended by said breach.
"But oversexualized characters are unnecessary!" - Indeed, they are. That's not the point.
The discussion surrounding how men perceive women in these games and how that reflects in society is one hell of a rabbit hole that is absolutely not worth going into on the comment section of youtube. All I will say in the matter is: It's extremely complicated. I've met women who love the oversexualization of women in games, that they do feel empowered by them, as well as women who hate it, makes them feel objectified and adds to the plethora of personal image issues society already has. You could make the argument that the women in games aren't real, but you can't deny the impacts of their designs is very much real.
However, I do wish to add that, as someone who REALLY struggled with an adult content addiction in my teens, is that appealing to the innermost desires of, mostly, lonely young men who feel more and more ostracized to the point where they feel like "There is no reason to try and break through this barrier and better myself and my life, I'll just sit here and play with my virtual girlfriends." is pretty shitty.
But hey, to make REAL money you have to be shitty. It's just how it goes, so companies will do it, and people will keep buying it because, at the very end of the day, they're hurting no one but themselves, and that saddens me.
Kudos for being willing to start a discussion, DashFight.
Such a brilliant comment, it's genuinely nice to see something like this on UA-cam, of all places. As you said, this is an extremely complex topic because there's no way to simplify it to what's right or wrong. Anyone could have an opinion that goes either way without a drop of malice in their heart. They might just enjoy or dislike this sort of presentation for entirely valid reasons.
And thank you for adding your own perspective to this, it's not one that is seen too often, but one that needs to be considered🫶
@@DashFight Glad to hear! I always try to be as level headed as I can when touchy subjects are involved, and this is one that I had a very strong personal reason to write about.
Thanks again!
IMO, all of these sound like bigger issues that society needs to address and to stop blaming on video games or any media.
Thanks for the insightful take on this matter, it's something I've genuinely been curious about across several mediums!
@Kinos141 Absolutely. Video games are just another piece of the convoluted puzzle
Sexualization in fighting games can be done tastefully and sometimes fits the character like MK Mileena in the older games, I just dislike how some people are complete coomers about it in real life. Beyond pathetic IMO no grown man should be wearing a shirt with hentai on it
Yeah, this is kind of where I'm at. A little bit of risque stuff is fine-stripping videogames (or any media) of that stuff feels kind of puritanical. But people who take it too far wind up feeling kind of...creepy. I think it's fine as long as you don't take it too seriously and recognize it as part of the goofy fun. (Bayonetta always comes to mind for me-she's sexualized, but it's so over the top that it's kind of silly while still being, uh, 'titillating'.)
I prefer eastern games over woke western games
I like sexualization in games. Ironically though, I don’t look at it as sexualization. I don’t get super turned on by it. So those saying “just go watch porn” this is totally different. It’s more of like an appreciation of the human body and the most ideally and unrealistically fantasized beautiful human pixels can put together. Geeks and Roman’s built statues of their ideal humans, we have a new medium these days and it’s videogames.
If the male characters can be sexy, the female characters can be sexy too.
Enough with the double standard of male characters shaped like Greek gods and female characters shaped like planks of wood.
That thumbnail is crazy 💀
Eh.. I think when the industry started self censoring the sex appeal, they catered to people who (mostly) weren't even fans in the first place. 10 or so years ago, it was only disgruntled moms complaining about ''sex appeal in video games'' . They were laughed at and ignored. But suddenly feminists start complaining and the industry immediately bends over backwards. Really silly. You could bring back all the sex appeal of the early 2000s, and video game sales would not go down whatsoever. Now we are seeing the opposite effect, where devs are starting to go back to the older mentality of ''a bit of sex appeal actually isnt a bad thing'' .
I don't mind trashy entertainment as long as it is honest about being trashy entertainment.🤔
I think that is where much of the cultural conflict comes from.
If a parent says he doesn't want his child playing games with a bunch of barely clothed female characters, then everyone else should respond, "Okay. Fine."
If a guy says he loves the DOA franchise because of the breast physics, then everyone else should respond, "Okay. Fine."
If a lady says that she wants more women characters to dress more for combat instead of a fashion show, then everyone else should respond, "Okay. Fine "
Unfortunately, too many people don't respond, "Okay. Fine " Instead, they would rather argue because they perceive the comments as attacks that must be defended against. 🤦
There's nothing trashy about this entertainment tho.
Fighting games and their sexy characters are great.
@@imarock.7662 Okay. Fine.
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@Dashfight
Same.
I feel like Hayabusa in that Fgc Core Values Fanart.
Will be a Ragna Main, until i no longer can hold the Controller.
I do not try to rub my personal Tastes into Peoples Faces, but can sum up my Thoughts on that Controversy with a Saying i picked up from the UA-camr Appabend:
"I will not listen to a Thief, who tells me not to steal."
I would be willing to pay for a Game making its regional Variants purchasable as their own Releases, but only to Adult Gamers due to the Cutural Issues.
I'm literally buying SF6 when they add Laura. I have no shame.
I already bought it for Cammy. Also no shame. 🤷♂️
Just let me play as my hot lady characters in peace
That Zafina's sister from SFV is cute. Here is my emoji: 👀
I think that all was the destiny for the figthing games, since they are the BOTH the only games caring about human's body AND are more popular than the actual 18+games. Or people just don't want to actually try them
How Igbt can be political and explicit everywhere while females in games that exist for entertainment cannot show stuff no more?
I had a hard time trying to explain to my wife why I like mean Redheads. (C.Viper, Baiken and Her). Also Street fighter don't miss Poison(sf4 dress), Chun Li Sf5 (dress) are peak. Laura's initial costume design is absurd with the cut off shirt but her game play was fun. :D
@2:43 This guy just sold me a copy of street fighter V 😆
Not all fighting game fans want their fighting games sexualized and when we say so it doesn't really result in a conducive conversation. Not to say that's always the case but just throwing that out there. Besides we're a small minority it seems so it doesn't matter much other than just keeping appearances on the mainstream. Sorry for offending/annoying anyone.
The people who get offended by sexualitation in video games are the same people that praise OF.
Alright, I'll state my opinion as a woman who plays fighting games since early childhood and nowadays competes in Tekken (just locally for now).
I'll say everything basing on my personal experience and people I've known throughout my life.
When I was younger but old enough to understand sexualization, it used to bother me a bit. I understood the idea but I didn't understand why that was so necessary. I even cringed sometimes, and wondered "why tf is her boobs bouncing like that... that isnt how it works irl", and so (yes i was quite that type of aschtually nerd).
But as a grown adult, It doesn't bother me anymore. I actually like to look at hot females. Women are beautiful, and the characters are just depictions of actual women, objects, they don't exist.
My problem is when it comes to real women. Like in japanese and korean idol industry, when it comes to minors being sexualized. That REALLY angers me. But characters? Why should I care? It's a product and it sells like any other product aiming to who's willing to buy.
I am very much attracted to women, but most of female hot chars don't appeal to me because I know women aren't like that irl. They don't feel real, so I'm just "whatever". I prefer real women to be frank lol.
Now, when it comes to male chars, it's true, some of them appeal to female audience. Hwoarang is so like a visual novel biker ikemen. I played some visual novel games when I was young and I always liked characters with his personality. It's one of the multiples reasons I main him tbh. HOWEVER, when it comes to actual sexualization of male cast, Guilty Gear is the only one that succeeded; a lot of women love fictional men with tiny waist, i swear. The women thirsting over Anji is insane lmao. And there's also Nagoriyuki bodytype, Soul, Ky, Venom, and "that type" of diversity appeals to female audience a lot. Jamie from SF6 too.
Other than that, buff men like ALL FUCKING TEKKEN 8 MALE CHARACTERS usually appeals more to homossexual men than straight women (not exclusively).
I could elaborate further but I've said enough.
People have to understand that gaming was made by guys for guys in mind first. Gaming (back in the day atleast) has everything a guy could want. Guns, explosions, fighting, and boobs. Simple as. Fellas, never apologize for liking what you like.
‘Asked the question was this too much?’
How about a more poignant question: ‘Is this what the consumers want?’ Because if the consumers want the oversexualization…you have a duty to your shareholders to maximize profits by producing that which the consumers want.
Look at MK1…that is NOT want the consumers want. Is everyone happy now? 🥴 Not giving your paying audience what they want has NEVER been the answer…
Sex sells. Sexy characters don't hurt anybody. This was just a pointless complaint.
Straight guys want their male characters to be bulked out like Duke Nukem or Marcus Fenix just as much as Straight woman want their female characters to be sleek and sexy like Lara Croft or Bayonetta.
The only problem with sexualisation in video games was the advertising.
It's weird.I've never actually noticed that they were skimpy in In Mortal kombat 9 I was more distracted How weird all the characters looked.
I just wish that Japan would always offer a translated Japanese version of the game. So sensitive fragile westerners can buy the edited version and westerners who like the original buy the Japanese version but just translated.
My biggest issue is always how uneven the sexualization is. Not many games have it almost levelled.
Soul Calibur was decent at it to a degree, sure you get Ivy, but at the same time it fits her character and she's very clearly dressing that way because she as a character ENJOYS it, her sexuality is part of her power. Also her secondary outfits being feminised versions of aristocratic men's attire is always pretty cool to make it so she isn't always dressed with a single string holding her chesticles from spilling out. You also still have Rock in basically a loincloth and an animal hat, who's arguably just as skimpy even if his sex appeal is directed towards less of the gamer audience, so I think it escapes notice a little more. But in both cases it fits the character. You do still have outliers though, Sophitia is a mother and a warrior, and those are her most defining traits, there's no real reason for her to wear only a mini skirt and near see through sheets in strips covering her chest and nothing else. So her design absolutely should be reworked ideally. Buuut at least it's still somewhat balanced out with characters like maxi being fully shirtless half the time, even if anyone who finds him attractive is wrong. You also have Voldo, and yes I'm talking about him, and... yeah. He's dressed like a sex toy, wearing bondage gear, who serves a master loyally as a guard dog.
Buuut then you also have Amy who is what like... 13-14, in one game with battle damage mechanics that made her big frilly collar and tights that made up like 40% of the coverage of her outfit, get torn off or at least to shreads which was... just... gross. So yeah. SC still absolutely had a lot of icky moments.
MK is clearly still working to find a good balance, but at least the designs of the last 2 games have been more thought out than the abomination that was 9 in it's female costume design. I still think MKX was the best balance between characters being sexualised and being dressed like actual warriors, at least for the women, and hey, you actually have a woman who's a decent age in it with Sonya in her what, late 40s at that point? And she looked it, but still looked really good! 11 was better for the men in design, a lot having a fair degree of sex appeal, Kano, Kotal and Shao Khan all wearing not much, and many of the female outfits were still nice and attractive even if some were not so great and in general, they were a downgrade from MKX.
Tekken has and always will have a massive agism issue, where men can age, but how dare women start to look any older than their mid 20s. And they have to all have unexpressive porceline faces, because we all know any expression will give wrinkles and instantly age any woman to look in her 60s.
I think the only game off the top of my head that has a great balance between sexualisation and not, and is even between genders is Guilty Gear, with a good variety of ranges of skimpiness across all genders. Hell even Testament gets to represent with a little sex appeal outside of the binary, which is damn rare. It shows overall there is a place for sex appeal, but also how to keep designs from being a victim to the sexualisation.
Nah, go make your own/fund your own game that agrees with you, stop trying to hijack games you don’t even like/play/fundamentally disagree with to be formed into your own world view. Stop being lazy. do the actual legwork.
I don't think you understand what a person means when they say they want beautiful characters playable in video games. You are focused on sexualization and not representation of humanity. I never said I wanted them to be naked. I want them to be attractive. I'm straight but that goes for both male and female characters when I pay them. To get the escapism that I'm looking for I want to pilot a male character that I would like to be myself or a female character that I would like to have for myself. I want to see humanity at its best and the content in games has nothing to do with protecting women, it's about feminism and hatred for men (male gaze) that is why they have to be covered up. Notice how none of the male characters have been desexualized? I even saw some games where they graphed a bulge in a penis shape on the guys..just saying. Nothing wrong with that, I'm all for creative expression, but it goes both ways. Why would I want to pilot a character and level them up if I'm not invested in what they are? I don't think displaying female or male beauty is a bad thing, it is part of humanity and humanity is what I want to see at its best when I'm trying not to be reminded of reality and enjoying myself. Just because you don't like something you're telling me I should not be allowed to watch it either? Everything is about you right?
On another topic I think what is happening in the media might have something to do with trans people. By covering up women and shaping their bodies so they look like men it can also be devaluing what a woman is so that a man dressed like one can also claim to be one. It can also be a part of gender ideology. If you are a gender ideology no offence but i don't believe in it.
S Xualization is still present in fighting games. Its just not service to normal people anymore. Its now a service that weirdos, you know, they/them community hahah :D what a shame :D we live in a dystopia unfortunately :)
What’s the big deal, I personally love skimpy outfits big proportions n so on, in movies I love extreme gore violence, and comedy I like risky topics. 😅 random emoji 😅
I don't like the term "sexualization", it was coined by feminists and led to the "modern" western gaming industry slop.
I never name my daughter Anita.
Been a fan of Dead or Alive since the first DOA. Game has always revolved around fanservice while still being about combat. They'll still get my money as long as the series stays true.
I have the feeling that most of the people that complain about "over sexualisation" are not even hardcore players of thr genre to begin with.
Just a small minority you screams the loudest
I main Devil Jin for his juicer six pack