Oil Filter Battle - FVP vs Fram vs Supertech with Surprise Winner
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- Опубліковано 8 січ 2023
- This is part 2 of a series I was doing to just find out if the FVP filters I found for cheap at Rock Auto were any good. The first video was a comparison for cartridge filters (see it here • FVP Filters From Rock ... ) where I really liked the FVP part. In this video I compare the FVP brand of spin on filter for my daughter's 2004 Toyota Matrix, against locally obtainable filters from Fram and Supertech. I wasn't expecting the results I got and was totally blown away. Watch with me as I go thru all the specs, looks, feel, and everything about these filters to come to a shocking conclusion. Let me know your comments and thoughts also. Keep it civil, I know oil filters can be a hot topic, and that's OK, but let's keep it to just simple experiences and observations and keep it nice.
Cardboard end caps are fine. All the end caps do is provide a surface for the potting glue. Many drop-in type filters don't even have end caps.
Orange ADBV on the Fram is silicone, a step up from Nitral rubber. The plastic cover on the Mahle indicates Asian manufacture. All of these lower end filters are treated paper. Similar to MFG filters as far as efficiency goes. The SuperTech filter is a 'high flow' filter with the nylon center tube.
You are spot on about silicone being a step up from nitrile rubber. Proven to stay pliable longer and better for extended ocis, above 5k miles/6 months. 👍
Thanks good comparison
Love fram filters!
Great philosophy of taking a look for yourself. Enjoyed the video and the effort you put in it.
Black frame in center is called an e-core. I take the Mahle or SuperTech looks like a Champion labs. Those on the bottoms of filters are bypass valves. Nice video
It was definitely an eye opener for me when I started opening them up and looking for myself. I learned way more than I thought I would.
My 2008 yaris takes the same supertech oil filter but I found the mp7317 supertech oil filter is the same diameter but is a little longer so I use that for more filter media not necessary but is a piece of mind
I'll have to check into that also. I'm pretty sure I have the physical space for it so might as well get the additional filtering
@@duanlee883 Correct I think sam really meant the 4386 size, which is the sae equivalent of the metric thread 7317.
For that Toyota Matrix, you might want to upgrade to the Camry (I think that's the one) filter size. You can find the information on Toyota Nation or genvibe. Basically, just longer. You'll need to add slightly more oil but much more filter material.
I've heard that but I haven't had troubles with filtration. The oil in this after 5000 miles looks better than in my other cars after 50 (or at least 500). I might check it out though. I have a few filters to use up before I can though.
@@FloydNashFixItDad Understood. The mention is just as much for other people browsing as you. I have a bag full of the Toyota filters.
What is the micron rating on each filter ?
I don't know for certain. I've been trying to find that myself for some of these, but as I'm discovering, that rating isn't what we think it is and often has no impact on the ability to filter the oil effectively. Anyone can claim any micron rating, but they often don't tell us what the efficiency is at that rating. In other words, if it will filter size x particle, what percentage of size x particle gets filtered out? 20%, 99%, what? What I DID find out is pretty much every filter has an efficiency more than capable of filtering any dangerous contaminant in your oil, so it may not be as important as we think.
Excluding the Mahle, these are value tier filters. As such most don't focus on efficiency rating. The Fram Orange can EG is rated 95%>20um using ISO 4548-12, the industry standard test. While I don't care for the fiber end caps, the efficiency rating is solid.
The Fram uses a silicone adbv, all others nitrile rubber. Silicone stays pliable longer. The FVP is made by Purolator, likely same as Purolator tech filter. Fram orange can EG always use fiber endcaps, not metal. Super Tech made by Champ Labs with nylon ecore tube. Contrary to internet blather it does not flow better than other filters with metal core. Just a suggestion for you, give the longer 4386 application a try over the shorty 4967. It's about 3/4" longer, more media area but same specs as 4967.
FVP is not made by Purolator, r\they're made by Wix.
How long do the adbvs need to last!? I don't know about you, but I don't tend to have a filter in a car more than six months, and often it's only three. People keep fussing about longevity, but they completely ignore the actual use cases for their complaint item. As I pointed out elsewhere, complaining about paper/cardboard is meaningless. If you have enough water in your oil to destroy paper/cardboard, your engine is already in trouble, and the filter makes no difference at all.
@@tbelding Reads like your query and comments completely rhetorical in nature. Seems you got it all figured out so keep doing what you're doing. Fyi, my comments restricted to 100% factual information, no opinion injected at all. 😃
@@faxmen09 - You listed things out, yes, but you didn't actually notate anything USEFUL. (Well, other than using the Camry oil filter. I already recommended that in another post.) You also intimated that the silicone is better because it 'stays pliable longer'.
The OP is correct that the silicone is very thin and floppy. It doesn't matter that it's silicone; what matters is that it's extremely thin. Flexibility (stays pliable longer) is meaningless if what you're looking for is a good seal, and the pressures are high. Buna-N is plenty good enough for an oil filter that's not supposed to last the life of the car, and will stay flexible longer than the oil will be in the vehicle.
My point is forget about theoretical material science. The application determines the material needed, and there's no reason to put in better materials than are necessary for good performance. (Especially when it's just thrown in there to look special) There's nothing wrong with cardboard, as long as the cardboard is used well. The finest anti-drainback valve won't do any good if the filter material doesn't filter. Nylon vs paper vs metal mesh.. Depends on the application. Sure, nylon has a melting point of 424F, and the normal operating temperature of a gasoline vehicle would have oil being about 260F, but is it really needed? Paper ignites at 454F. Since the filter will be crushed and recycled, paper makes more sense there, as well.
@@tbelding TLDR You can't dispute facts of of my post so you blather. Fyi, silicone used in all extended life OFs because it does stay pliable longer/ Fact. I'm now thinking you're trolling so time put on mute. Buh bye.
On the Fram, the one thing I'll say is that people forget that the engine flows oil, not water. If you have enough water in your oil to disintegrate cardboard, you have a cracked block, or you drove the car into a stream.
Any new information?
Nothing really. I used an FVP filter on my daughter's 2004 Toyota Matrix and it seems to be just fine. I have the 2nd one on now and plan to send the oil off to be analyzed to see if there are contaminants or anything in the oil, but with regular oil changes and good oil, they seem to be just fine. The oil in that car after 5,000 miles still looks beautiful. I still prefer the European filters like Mann and Hencke for my Volvos. My 2015 uses special volvo spec oil that I get thru FCP Euro as part of an oil change kit that comes with a Hencke filter.
@@FloydNashFixItDad - Interesting. My oil in my 2006 Vibe (I've replaced the car since my last posting, not voluntarily) always looks burned, no matter what filter I use, after 5k miles. I use the Camry filters.
I get the impression that this guy has never watched any of the dozens of other UA-cam channels that inspect filters? Seems like he’s never seen inside an oil filter before 🤣🙄
Yet you still watched....hmmm
@@FloydNashFixItDad well only enough to form this opinion!
@@paulsi1234 Lighten up Francis.
I think you should educate yourself about oil filters before attempting to compare them.