@@orion6983 He was ace. he had a gay brother who was very open about it. Actually during the 18th century it was quite common to be open about your homosexuality. But the Alte Fritz was for all intents and purposes ace and not gay.
@@warlordofbritannia Hey you ;) you look like someone who likes long and hard poles. Want to be a flagbearer in my grenadier guard regiment ;)) -Frederick the great, probably
Frederick: I would really love to go back in time and become a Roman Emperor - For power and glory, right? Frederick: ... - For power and glory, right?
When Hans Hermann von Katte was executed, Prince Frederick called out to him; "Please forgive my dear Katte, in God's name, forgive me". In response, von Katte said this; "There is nothing to forgive, I die for you with joy in my heart!". That sounds like a last declaration of love.
@Yeetus debeetus Well no. There are obviously many categoeical differences between the two. If you want to say they are both men then go for it I guess, I cant force you to use the words the way I think they should be used.
Frederick the Great Out the Gate First servant of state Oblique attack tactics Ain't exactly straight Got creative talents And battle malice Hard as steel, in the field Genteel in the palace!
I feel bad for Elisabeth, too. Not easy to be the resented wife of a gay man, especially when people expected her to have his sons anyway. (After all, gay men do occasionally beget kids. Edward II of England managed it 4 times.) She probably didn't have any more choice in the matter than Fred did. Difficult situation all around.
@@romanempire4495 I have a closer to home example, but you won't believe me, so I'll just point out that sex workers have sex with people they're not attracted to all the time. They aren't always on the receiving end.
@@romanempire4495 Being gay doesn't mean you literally can't have sex with women. And especially being a monarch where it's expected that you continue your lineage through your children, gay Kings having sex for dynastical reasons is definitely possible
@@goese868 Nah man, dogs have loyalty. His dad was more like... I dunno, whatever animal is worse than humans. To be serious, I would say his dad was more like a parasite.
I don’t understand why they are crying about it, it doesn’t tarnish his achievements. They kinda seem like the people to say: “I DO have a GF but she goes to a different school!”
Because it didn't really matter in the grand scale of things when it came to his impact on history and military career. If we were talking about racism that would actually be something, because it did play a large role in his colonization efforts of carving Poland and Lithuania up for example or his later adoption as a symbol of German superiority by the Nazi party
@ECE 25 SHRIRAM G Let's not forget he was also extremely misogynistic which is also not mentioned. If we are learning about history in detail might as well go for full dip and make him lgbt and anti women rights icon.
@@pyron4913 I'd like some sources on that. Even if he was, you know you can condemn negatives while also acknowledging positives, right? You don't need to make him an icon for both, just acknowledge both and treat each action accordingly. Y'know, like you do with fallible human beings.
Any historical figure who shows platonic feelings for guys or anything other than pure lust for women for that matter is now labeled as gay, even those who were as far from gay as possible like King David of Israel
There's an entire wikipedia article detailing how spectacularly gay Frederick was; it's incredible that people still attempt to explain it away with "oh they were just REALLY good friends"
I was just at his wiki page. I don’t see anything about him being gay en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_the_Great#Marriage_and_War_of_the_Polish_Succession
@@connor981 That's because all of the information (except the Katte affair section) got merged into the article about his sexuality, I've seen it when it was originally on his article
Ive always held a high level of respect for Frederick the Great, regardless of his sexuality. Sexuality doesn't define or diminish the greatness of an individual. For me, I've found that Frederick II's greatness came from his actions in the 7 Years War, rather than War of Austrian Succession. The man faced off against what were the 3 greatest Army's of Europe and effectively enacted a status quo. Were he any less of a military genius, or lacking in conviction, Germany wouldn't have been unified by Prussia. Perhaps it's due to his fathers army reforms that he performed so well, but Id like to think if it was anybody else, the 7 Years War would have been the coffin of blooming Prussian dominance
@@REALChristiansareloving yeah when 40% of your land has been taken and your capital is a about to fall and then one of the main occupiers just leave for 0 real reason that’s a fluke
I just found out about Philippe recently. It's pretty amusing how a very openly gay and flamboyant royal became the Grandfather of Europe, at a time when homosexuality was very looked down upon lmao
@@Spongebrain97 In weird, very backwards kind of way, his homosexuality actually helped him. Just a generation before, Louis XIII and his brother Gaston struggled with each other, with Gaston having high ambitions to become king himself. After the death of Louis XIII, France wanted to avoid that sort of conflict again. When Philippe turned out to be gay, that delegitimatized him from the throne somewhat, but that in turn made him a lot more popular than Gaston. It also helps that the relationship between Louis XIV and Philippe was much better than Louis XIII and Gaston.
It's scary the amount of people who fetishize ancient dictators from 2000 years ago, stop looking to the past for comfort and do something with your life for god's sake.
@@SofaKingGasPriceSpike most of those people were bi because sexuality wasn't the way it is now, so it's just funny in my opinion to see them arguing these beliefs.
@@SofaKingGasPriceSpike I think their point was that homophobes having marble bust PFPs is ironic since same-sex relationships were super common in antiquity
The "coping commenter" starter pack (based on trends I've seen in the comments) "Fredrick wasn't gay because *Insert something they would've saw was rebuked if they had watched for more than 5 seconds*" "I don't care if he was gay or not but it really makes me mad if someone says he is for some reason!" "Minor spelling mistake therefore all your carefully researched facts are false!" "uhmmmm acksually you say he wasn't an incel but that's because he was actually a simgma-mkIII-optimumsprimecel!" "I'm not mad and toxic because I disagree!!! The people agreeing with this video are mad and toxic!.. for some reason" (my favorite rendition of this was someone saying how are the comments disagreeing where respectful followed by the exact same person doing a full capslock rant) "Stop trying to claim every historical figure is gay!" despite the video being only about Fredrick the Great. "Wow this youtuber is usually super good but for some reason they became really bad the second I disagree with them, unsubsribed!!1!" That's all I got lemme know if you have any more good ones.
I saw a meme somewhere that there were 2 male Royal servants in Ancinet Egypt that were found in a tomb designed for a married couple and had the phrase joined in life joined in death. There are histories first recorded ahem roommates
Egypt did reuse tombs. Servants were also burried with their masters. Some were also burried as a punishment. We must ask, why are two servants burried on their own without a master? So many branches. Anyways, who cares. Regular ancient Egypt is hella gay.
It is well performed to display the inner identity of a historical figure. As long as we remember they were great people, they still deserve our respect. Frederick the Great is one of the finest examples of this. Also, I admire the minor fact that he once preferred his nephew, Charles William Ferdinand, Duke of Brunswick to be his heir since he did not have children of his own since they were similar.
@@mardasman428 Frederick the Great has been hated for odd things such as being a Prussian, a military hero, or from accounts of his enemies only a beneficial ally. There is much more to him than anything that was ever discussed.
@@mardasman428 Some people REALLY don't like destroying their fairy tale fantasy or something, seeing such as some postmodern Lib'rul Woke SJW historical revisionist brainwashing BS designed to sissify any and all figures of masculine "Kings". Tell any Norse Viking fanatics who see them as peak masculine some facts like Norsemen have femboys doing gay stuff with them and half of Norse mythology is just the male gods being gay...
What historians don't consider is that Frederick the Great always said "no homo" when kissing his homies good night, but he forgot to say it one night so he just rolled with it
This doesn’t change my opinion about him one bit. Weather or not someone likes gals, lads or anyone else is only their concern. He was a great king and will be remembered as such.
Thats all fine and dandy. This video didn't deny any of that. He was just highlighting some information not many people know because of the history of homophobia.
It is said that one time after he returned to meet his wife, after they had not seen each other in years, the only words he said to her were: " Madam sind korpulent geworden." Which translates to: "Madame has become corpulent." So theory of him just being giga-misogynistic is not completely crazy, but still probably wrong. He was just gay. It is always entertaining how much that confuses certain people here in Germany when they are confronted with that fact or if you remind them. I was not even aware that people who deny his homosexuality still exist.
I think this should be here. One of those erotic poems he talked about: From Königsberg to Monsieur Algarotti, Swan of Padua This night, vigorous desire in full measure, Algarotti wallowed in a sea of pleasure. A body not even a Praxitiles fashions Redoubled his senses and imbued his passions Everything that speaks to eyes and touches hearts, Was found in the fond object that enflamed his parts. Transported by love and trembling with excitement In Cloris’ arms he yields himself to contentment The love that unites them heated their embraces And tied bodies and arms as tightly as laces. Divine sensual pleasure! To the world a king! Mother of their delights, an unstaunchable spring, Speak through my verses, lend me your voice and tenses Tell of their fire, acts, the ecstasy of their senses! Our fortunate lovers, transported high above Know only themselves in the fury of love: Kissing, enjoying, feeling, sighing and dying Reviving, kissing, then back to pleasure flying. And in Knidos’ grove, breathless and worn out Was these lovers’ happy destiny, without doubt. But all joy is finite; in the morning ends the bout. Fortunate the man whose mind was never the prey To luxury, or grand airs, one who knows how to say A moment of climax for a fortunate lover Is worth so many aeons of star-spangled honour.
@@Bob-fh4ht newsflash: trans women are also born women to ppl that arent transphobes!!!!!!!! biological gender isnt that important. u might not know this.... but you acknowledging a person's identity as they want to be perceived doesnt hurt.
One fact that always gets overlooked when people are debating Frederick's sexuality is the fact that he had three or four (depending on how you count) statues of Antinous, the Emperor Hadrian's male lover, at his palace of Sanssouci. That WAS the 18th century equivalent of the rainbow flag. People don't think that there was such a thing as "queer culture" before like Oscar Wilde, but that is so very not true. Queer people *always* had ways of identifying themselves to one another and by extension to the world if they wanted to.
And imagine being so powerful that YOUR identifyer takes the form of putting up several giant statues. I bet he made James Buchanan feel like such a noob. Still, as a proletarian from the Rhineland I‘m never going to be a fan of the Prussian Obrigkeit no matter what form it takes. Unlike Oscar Wilde who is definitely based af.
@@youarewrong5523 wtf bro national socialists were literally continuing prussian state traditions. And I‘ll never support fascist scabs or German imperialism.
Frederick I's parenting be like: Wow, my son doesn't share my values, I think he might undermine my impact on history of my nation. I'm sure if I beat him, exile his first love, kill his second love, pressure him into marrying a person he hates and publicly humiliate him enough, he'll love me and continue my political course.
To be fair, a lot of people will call historical figures “gay” just because they never beared children. (Richard the lionheart comes to mind) Fredrick is the exception tho because of the love poems etc. proving he was gay, but i do get annoyed when historians just call anyone who didn’t have kids gay.
@@laughsatchungus1461 I do wonder why there are people who deny his sexuality even after he ran away with a "fellow soldier", collected homoerotic art and even wrote poems about it. My theory is those people have themselves homoerotic feelings but they fear being called gay so they deny Frederick being gay for liking the things that they'd like
Honestly this kind of nuance in history isn't as taught outside of really dedicated circles-in my school system, they just glanced over historical figures' backgrounds and such. Though I don't know If I should attribute that being a School or Education problem
i mean no high school history class can go over ALL the nuance of history ever. i remember talking about this in my european history class but it was my personal interest. i dont see it as a problem with the system just how humongous history is
Steps to be the best king imaginable: -Lead the best army on the planet -Command high authority -Be so enlightened that it's a privilege for others to serve you -Be hella gay
I love how homophobes says "his sexuality doesn't matter, the important thing is that he was a good king" If his sexuality doesn't matter why you're specifically talking about it? Just say that he was a good kind, lol
So people are homophobic for stating his sexuality isn’t as important as his accomplishments? Also they’re responding to the video and the comments who are talking about it. There’s no reasoning with people such as yourself who want to find excuses to call everything offensive.
@@sergiowinter5383 why being so scornful about historicals facts ? I mean the had an entire ROOM filed with gay porn, and it's not habits, habits is something you choose to do, you don't choose being gay or trans
@@annasantiago6997 Well, modern day historians don't really forget it and tend to put it into books, but back in the day (like 1933-1990, a conspicuous starting date) they wouldn't put it into history books because the information was suppressed
IIRC Frederick published the Anti-Machiavel right around the time he became king, and soon after he published it he realized he would need to use some of Machiavelli's tactics and tried to pull his own book from shelves.
@@dkoda840 Because people inside the army are called military while the ones outside of it are called civilians. So, with enough military members the discussion will be military and not civil.
I love how many people in this comment section says that you shouldn't assume Fredrick is gay, but you can assume him as straight all you want because logic, I guess.
@@baneofbanes The dude just explained that it's the norm, I don't think he was trying to make a point. No need to get all passive aggressive Smithyboy.
No, homosexuality has been a thing since forever but only now it is manifested in a way that gets in the way of someone acting like a normal person and being constructive to society.
Hello EmperorTigerstar. I just wanted to let you know that Hanns Hermann von Katte attempted to run away with Frederick in 1730 as he was also executed in 1730 and not in 1830. I know your commentary was correct but in your slide it says 1830. I just wanted to kindly point that out :) Edit: time was at 7:18
I remember being forced to read a really long book about the War of the Austrian Succession in college that must have been written decades ago. That book talked about Frederick the Great and his life for like 1/3 of it's entire length and it never once mentioned he was gay. It makes me really sad to think that centuries after his death people were still trying to ignore Frederick's homosexuality because they didn't want to admit a man associated with excellent military leadership was gay.
Or he wasn't homosexual. You know the logical answer. This isn't the first time that a great in history was labeled as homosexual for not being overtly promiscuous. The same thing as done with Alexander the great.
I do not judge by sexuality nor by appearence, i judge a persons ability to lead a country by their own values and motives with their competence to do so
I don't even know why I'm here, prpbably because I looped the Frederick the Great segment on the "Ivan the Terrible vs Alexander the Great" ERB video for like 10 times in a row.
*puts on radiation suit*
Alright I'm going into the comment section
This is like walking into Chernobyl
You dont even need a “sort by controversial” button on youtube honestly
No, you need to learn how to use Hamon to delve even deeper
Hello there
ah i see, trying to protect yourself from the uranians
Gay people existed before 2016? Huge if true.
All Hail The King ^
Harvey Milk was the founding father of gay. This is widely known, they even made a movie about it.
Hahahahhahahahahahaha
As a gay born in 2003 can confirm
Large if verified
Alexander the Great the ancient sus
Oblique attack tactics ain't exactly straight.
I've got creative talents and battle malice
@@歴史語学 Hard as steel on the field, genteel in the palace
The oblique order is a pathway to many experiences some may consider...homosexual
Nice reference
He also liked his men to form a staunch line of muskets. But it had to be firm and rigid. That was essential.
"he isn't gay he just doesn't like woman"
top 10 alterations of history
So they were saying he was Ace
This comment is under rated
@@orion6983 He was ace. he had a gay brother who was very open about it. Actually during the 18th century it was quite common to be open about your homosexuality. But the Alte Fritz was for all intents and purposes ace and not gay.
Cringe
I mean, asexual people are a thing, too.
"Frederick wasn't gay because he slept with transwomen" isn't a take I expected 1800's Germany to come up with.
Unexpected, but a based take nonetheless.
It's not gay tho.
Uhhh that’s not a comment I expected
A surprise, to be sure, but an... unexpected one.
How surprisingly wholesome for a prejudiced time period.
So Frederick the Great. Was a "master of the flute". That is... so obviously a euphemism
No it isn't
@@holdenmiller8316 It could be a euphemism, but I agree that it isn't an obvious one.
It is a euphemism, but he was also proficient in playing said euphemistic instrument
It's only an obvious euphemism if it actually is one, a flute is an actual instrument after all.
Hahahah skin flute
Imagine just how many "This enraged his father, who punished him severely" there must have been
You have no IDEA with this one. His father was the macho of macho.
This trope has been going on before Homer could have learned to write stories of buff men definitely not attracted to each other in some way
Homo Sexuality has mostly been punished only in recent times, this is mostly because of the popularization of Abrahamic religions
@@Vienna3080 Never knew fredrick the great was pagan
@@retf8977 Thats not what i was saying
You can't just mention he wrote a homoerotic love poem and just not include it in the video
Sauce?
Yeah, he should at least put a link to it in the description.
@@thealeph165
Dear god, a few lines in…
“Everything that speaks to eyes and touches hearts,
Was found in the fond object that enflamed his parts.”
@@Mystic_Stirling godamn, he is just so upfront
too hot for this video
I see why Hitler looked up to Frederick: his father punished him severely too
Cringe 😂😂😂
Understand *
he was also secretly gay like him
Maybe Ernst röhn convinced him .
@@Rose-rx4zn
Just two friends hanging out together but never crossing the line
"Hey, you tall, strong, broad-shouldered, masculine soldier, wanna join my... grenadier regiments?"
- Frederick the Great, probably
Not just grenadier regiments...grenadier *guard* regiments 🤤
@@warlordofbritannia Hey you ;) you look like someone who likes long and hard poles. Want to be a flagbearer in my grenadier guard regiment ;))
-Frederick the great, probably
"Oh dear big and strong, broad shouldered soldier, would you care to join my ... Grenadier regiment?"
I thought he like more feminine men?
lol
Frederick: I would really love to go back in time and become a Roman Emperor
- For power and glory, right?
Frederick: ...
- For power and glory, right?
Bro julius Caesar and Frederick the great would redefine the phrase “power couple” 😂
@@TheRambunctious no i'd rather combined him WITH Alexander the great, the one Who is gay also
Yea, I think Alexander will be a really good """"firends""""
@@katzenbox hadrien was little dominant in his realtionship thou.
Could work maybe.
@@afdalridwan3813 Alex was bi.
When Hans Hermann von Katte was executed, Prince Frederick called out to him; "Please forgive my dear Katte, in God's name, forgive me". In response, von Katte said this; "There is nothing to forgive, I die for you with joy in my heart!".
That sounds like a last declaration of love.
Idk man, that's the sorta thing I'd say to my roommate...
Nah bro they were both wearing socks at the time so it’s not gay
@@gabrieldnchf2822 #nohomo
This is so romantic omg beautiful last words
Bro I’m gonna cry, wtf
>Uranian is a man with the soul of a women, so attractive that other men couldn't help themselves
...So, femboys?
I suppose. You could also say that the concept matches transwomen.
Femboys wouldn't have a problem with being labeled men, trans women would.
My guess is that its an early justification for both
Well yes, but actually yes
@Yeetus debeetus Well no. There are obviously many categoeical differences between the two.
If you want to say they are both men then go for it I guess, I cant force you to use the words the way I think they should be used.
@Yeetus debeetus Well some femboys are trans men, but usually... I guess?
Not really important if discussing gender though
the Sam onella music is giving me flashbacks
please come back sam
We need him
imagine if he responded to this comment
@@justbread4570 it would be really a epic gamer moment
Don’t worry! He’s just getting cigarettes from the store and coming back!
@@pofromteletubbies1243 oh nice
I think the fact that the people simply denyed him being gay instead of ridculing him about being gay shows how great a leader he was
I guess so. He was an accomplished man, and nothing could take that away from him.
Frederick the Great
Out the Gate
First servant of state
Oblique attack tactics
Ain't exactly straight
Got creative talents
And battle malice
Hard as steel, in the field
Genteel in the palace!
This is beautiful, thank you
Sean Ortiz a year late but this is from epic rap battles of history
OLD FRITZ OLD FRITZ OLD FRITZ OLD FRITZ OLD FRITZ
"They were very close friends, they even slept in the same bed."
"They're naked."
"Very. Close. Friends."
“They are more their friends, idiot!”
Totally no homo.
If you can’t sleep naked with your best bro in the same bed under the same blanket are you even bros?
No homo bro they had socks on
I feel bad for Elisabeth, too. Not easy to be the resented wife of a gay man, especially when people expected her to have his sons anyway. (After all, gay men do occasionally beget kids. Edward II of England managed it 4 times.) She probably didn't have any more choice in the matter than Fred did.
Difficult situation all around.
Close your eyes and think of Prussia
I truly do feel bad for her. Because at the end of the day, Frederick could take lovers as King, she could not.
Right, he was gay- but had children. Sure, lol.
@@romanempire4495 I have a closer to home example, but you won't believe me, so I'll just point out that sex workers have sex with people they're not attracted to all the time. They aren't always on the receiving end.
@@romanempire4495 Being gay doesn't mean you literally can't have sex with women. And especially being a monarch where it's expected that you continue your lineage through your children, gay Kings having sex for dynastical reasons is definitely possible
Fun fact: Friedrich is buried closer to his dogs than to his wife.
his dogs were the only females he didn't distrusted
aside his sister
Well, the dogs never had to be told never to visit the Royal Court.
bruh u callin' his dad a dog?
fair tho
yo?
@@goese868 Nah man, dogs have loyalty. His dad was more like... I dunno, whatever animal is worse than humans.
To be serious, I would say his dad was more like a parasite.
Cant believe Frederick the Great was happy
Well any body would be happy if they made there country a military power house
@@papakarrbear3767 except the pacifists
If you have the great after your name you should be happy.
With that father it’s more surprising he was capable of joy.
Does no one get the joke?
Let's just say, he played a mean flute 🥵💦
Except he didn't and wasn't gay and Tigerstar is just wrong here.
@@GermanConquistador08 prushia
@@GermanConquistador08 Wait how is he wrong
@@GermanConquistador08 insert crying prussiaboo wojak
@@GermanConquistador08 of course a kaiserboo would say this despite the crazy amount of evidence that we’ve acquired over the last 300 years
14 years old Prussiaboos already malding in the comment section
Where
@@stanisawzokiewski3308 look anywhere.
based joker????
I don’t understand why they are crying about it, it doesn’t tarnish his achievements.
They kinda seem like the people to say: “I DO have a GF but she goes to a different school!”
guess his tactics weren't... exactly straight.
The oblique order is a pathway to many experiences some may consider...homosexual
Ha
**ba-dum* *crash**
Hard as steel in the field, genteel in the palace.
Not just any tactics, his oblique attack tactics
I didn't even know he was gay, I haven't heard anyone mention his sexuality before. You learn something new everyday
Because it didn't really matter in the grand scale of things when it came to his impact on history and military career.
If we were talking about racism that would actually be something, because it did play a large role in his colonization efforts of carving Poland and Lithuania up for example or his later adoption as a symbol of German superiority by the Nazi party
@ECE 25 SHRIRAM G Let's not forget he was also extremely misogynistic which is also not mentioned. If we are learning about history in detail might as well go for full dip and make him lgbt and anti women rights icon.
@@pyron4913 I'd like some sources on that. Even if he was, you know you can condemn negatives while also acknowledging positives, right? You don't need to make him an icon for both, just acknowledge both and treat each action accordingly. Y'know, like you do with fallible human beings.
Any historical figure who shows platonic feelings for guys or anything other than pure lust for women for that matter is now labeled as gay, even those who were as far from gay as possible like King David of Israel
@@jonathanwilliams1065 Would you happen to be one of those guys who thinks Achilles wasn't gay, perhaps?
Disappointed you didn’t go into more detail on the love poems.
That would have gotten the video demonetized for how graphic they were.
@@EmperorTigerstar we demand a sequel
@@EmperorTigerstar Drop that in Nebula or whatever platform that encourages freedom of speech. I'm sure many will follow up.
I would have loved a dramatic reading of "The Orgasm"
@@ccib00 how about Odysee?
There's an entire wikipedia article detailing how spectacularly gay Frederick was; it's incredible that people still attempt to explain it away with "oh they were just REALLY good friends"
I was just at his wiki page. I don’t see anything about him being gay en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_the_Great#Marriage_and_War_of_the_Polish_Succession
And they where roommates
@@lunasau3975 oh my god, they were roommates
@@connor981
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Frederick_the_Great#:~:text=It%20is%20almost%20certain%20that,was%20central%20to%20his%20life.&text=At%20age%2016%2C%20Frederick%20seems,old%20page%20of%20his%20father.
@@connor981 That's because all of the information (except the Katte affair section) got merged into the article about his sexuality, I've seen it when it was originally on his article
“A straight person who didn’t like women”
Seems legit.
Gives vibes off "I am gay cause i hate women"
I mean maybe because he has bad experiences with them? For Example h9w Eminem was treated by his mom
"I'm not gay because I love Men. I'm gay because I hate women". Frederick the great, probably.
@@louisbaker4362 ah yes the true incel
@@comradekenobi6908 the og incel.
This is what pride month should be about not corporate bs.
Agreed
Rainbow capitalism ❌
Rainbow IMPERIALISM ✅
(/s)
@@gabrielegenota1480 where's the difference ;)
@@notadoll17 You. I like you.
Yeah Ik a lot of lgbtq ppl who don’t like pride month because many of those corporate businesses use it for extra money
Well, can't say I expected to hear "Hitler probably supported the Incel theory" today. Or ever, really.
tbf, Hitler had massive incel energy
@@warlordofbritannia source?
@@stanisawzokiewski3308 history
@@JastwatchingYT that not a response.
Anyone could say history to any critisism and we wouldnt get anywhere.
@@stanisawzokiewski3308 He died one day after getting married.
Massive incel energy.
Ive always held a high level of respect for Frederick the Great, regardless of his sexuality. Sexuality doesn't define or diminish the greatness of an individual. For me, I've found that Frederick II's greatness came from his actions in the 7 Years War, rather than War of Austrian Succession. The man faced off against what were the 3 greatest Army's of Europe and effectively enacted a status quo. Were he any less of a military genius, or lacking in conviction, Germany wouldn't have been unified by Prussia. Perhaps it's due to his fathers army reforms that he performed so well, but Id like to think if it was anybody else, the 7 Years War would have been the coffin of blooming Prussian dominance
respectful comment but the 7 years war was a fluke for prussia let’s be honest 😂 i’m still salty
@@flamingoxe5984 sure was a fluke
@@flamingoxe5984 Still salty about Peter III? lmao
@@flamingoxe5984 prussia shouldve lost tbh he was saved by the thick of his teeth
@@REALChristiansareloving yeah when 40% of your land has been taken and your capital is a about to fall and then one of the main occupiers just leave for 0 real reason that’s a fluke
"He loved playing the flute."
I bet he did.
that’s a good one
Flute busting prussian😂
"Frederick is probably the most documented homosexual figures of all time"
Don't do my dude Philippe of Orleans like this.
I just found out about Philippe recently. It's pretty amusing how a very openly gay and flamboyant royal became the Grandfather of Europe, at a time when homosexuality was very looked down upon lmao
@@Spongebrain97 In weird, very backwards kind of way, his homosexuality actually helped him. Just a generation before, Louis XIII and his brother Gaston struggled with each other, with Gaston having high ambitions to become king himself. After the death of Louis XIII, France wanted to avoid that sort of conflict again. When Philippe turned out to be gay, that delegitimatized him from the throne somewhat, but that in turn made him a lot more popular than Gaston. It also helps that the relationship between Louis XIV and Philippe was much better than Louis XIII and Gaston.
*Julie D’Aubigny:* _Duels in confusion_
@@Tytoalba777 but he had 5 children with his two wives.
@@derniercaesar5319 Of course he did, he WAS a nobleman. Those guys had a "duty", of sorts, to have heirs and stuff.
Ok, you got me. I'm gay
Ok,Why are you gay?
@@asep-q7p because I like men
@@asep-q7p Because I don't like women
@@federicov.8685 but main question should be that are you more European or more gay.
@@Birb728 I'm Both
It’s depressing that the dislike ratio is at 10% so many close minded sad little people angry and insecure with themselves.
What
says the people so insecure they have a 41% mortality rate
@@CODELIRIOUS-sy8xz LMAOOOO
@@CODELIRIOUS-sy8xz
Yeah it you'd consider suicide too if all you social circles shunned you lol.
@@CODELIRIOUS-sy8xz gay people do not have a 41% suicide rate, think you’re mixing that up with transgender
I like how all these people with avatars with marble busts are complaining.
It's scary the amount of people who fetishize ancient dictators from 2000 years ago, stop looking to the past for comfort and do something with your life for god's sake.
@@SofaKingGasPriceSpike most of those people were bi because sexuality wasn't the way it is now, so it's just funny in my opinion to see them arguing these beliefs.
Yeah seeing people using Greco-Roman imagery crying over modern "degeneracy" and not realizing the contradiction is always hilarious.
Nice pfp
@@SofaKingGasPriceSpike I think their point was that homophobes having marble bust PFPs is ironic since same-sex relationships were super common in antiquity
The "coping commenter" starter pack (based on trends I've seen in the comments)
"Fredrick wasn't gay because *Insert something they would've saw was rebuked if they had watched for more than 5 seconds*"
"I don't care if he was gay or not but it really makes me mad if someone says he is for some reason!"
"Minor spelling mistake therefore all your carefully researched facts are false!"
"uhmmmm acksually you say he wasn't an incel but that's because he was actually a simgma-mkIII-optimumsprimecel!"
"I'm not mad and toxic because I disagree!!! The people agreeing with this video are mad and toxic!.. for some reason" (my favorite rendition of this was someone saying how are the comments disagreeing where respectful followed by the exact same person doing a full capslock rant)
"Stop trying to claim every historical figure is gay!" despite the video being only about Fredrick the Great.
"Wow this youtuber is usually super good but for some reason they became really bad the second I disagree with them, unsubsribed!!1!"
That's all I got lemme know if you have any more good ones.
Facts
Or this person made the sources up even though there is sources in the description
How about his sexuality didn't matter. But what he achieved and how he transformed the future of Europe forever is what truly matters.
@@GrandmasterFerg "I don't care if he was gay or not but it really makes me mad if someone says he is for some reason!"
@@ВасилийПупкин-ж8и Re-read my comment
why did i think he was george washington on the eu4 loading screen i’m such a god damn idiot
Isnt there not even the "Brandenburger Tor" in the Background of the loading Screen? xD
now that is a genuine idiot moment
Washington is also one of the loading screens I’m pretty sure
I respect you for coming to terms with this
"Mastering the flute" is such a great double entendre
He was actually a concert quality flautist
Well I don't think the people who unsubscribe because of this are much of a loss.
Thanks for the idea
@@theosvult4857 You're welcome, and bye.
@Keel nice list of buzzwords pal
@@pendarricrolynd7444 Dude you just used a buzzword (buzzword) 😵
It's sad when June is know for pride month instead of Saint Thomas Moore month.
Sad and heretic.
I saw a meme somewhere that there were 2 male Royal servants in Ancinet Egypt that were found in a tomb designed for a married couple and had the phrase joined in life joined in death.
There are histories first recorded ahem roommates
Egypt did reuse tombs. Servants were also burried with their masters. Some were also burried as a punishment. We must ask, why are two servants burried on their own without a master? So many branches. Anyways, who cares. Regular ancient Egypt is hella gay.
Ah yes, the manicurists
@@Iridescent_Astraea yup forgot the name of what they did
@@NoNoseProduction I’d say Greece was more gay
@@Speedster___ Egypt predates their gayness. So they are grandfathered in as being the og gay boys.
It is well performed to display the inner identity of a historical figure. As long as we remember they were great people, they still deserve our respect. Frederick the Great is one of the finest examples of this. Also, I admire the minor fact that he once preferred his nephew, Charles William Ferdinand, Duke of Brunswick to be his heir since he did not have children of his own since they were similar.
Also, I read three biographies so I am not confused at all.
they "still" deserve our respect?
Why still? Is Fredericks gayness somehow a diminishing factor or a problem?
@@mardasman428 Frederick the Great has been hated for odd things such as being a Prussian, a military hero, or from accounts of his enemies only a beneficial ally. There is much more to him than anything that was ever discussed.
@@mardasman428 Some people REALLY don't like destroying their fairy tale fantasy or something, seeing such as some postmodern Lib'rul Woke SJW historical revisionist brainwashing BS designed to sissify any and all figures of masculine "Kings". Tell any Norse Viking fanatics who see them as peak masculine some facts like Norsemen have femboys doing gay stuff with them and half of Norse mythology is just the male gods being gay...
What historians don't consider is that Frederick the Great always said "no homo" when kissing his homies good night, but he forgot to say it one night so he just rolled with it
This doesn’t change my opinion about him one bit. Weather or not someone likes gals, lads or anyone else is only their concern. He was a great king and will be remembered as such.
Based
Thats all fine and dandy. This video didn't deny any of that. He was just highlighting some information not many people know because of the history of homophobia.
@@ruthvik8913 Ok.
@@fgqgqlfqsfsffeff chuck norris.
@@fgqgqlfqsfsffeff chuck norris.
HELL YEAHHHHHHH
lmao
YEEE HAAWWWA
Based
Dude made a whole account for that
The dedication!
@@pofromteletubbies1243 Their account is 3 years old, so..
It is said that one time after he returned to meet his wife, after they had not seen each other in years,
the only words he said to her were:
" Madam sind korpulent geworden."
Which translates to:
"Madame has become corpulent."
So theory of him just being giga-misogynistic is not completely crazy, but still probably wrong.
He was just gay.
It is always entertaining how much that confuses certain people here in Germany when they are
confronted with that fact or if you remind them. I was not even aware that people who deny his homosexuality still exist.
I was always under the impression he was both gay and extremely misogynistic.
@@professorquarter not terribly uncommon amongst lots of gay men to this day, sadly.
@@lioraselby5328 I mean… it’s not terribly uncommon for any person to this day, sadly.
Its like when king robert met ned stark after they hadnt seen eachother in years and the first thing he told him was "you got fat"
@@michaelironsights8347 to many man hating woman out there
someone, i wish i could remember who, said “if the homophobes are the ones heaven is filled with, then i don’t wanna go anyway”
Desmond Tutu?
Someone to immature to know religion isnt real. :D :D
Homophobic people probably won’t go to heaven according to Jesus
@@flamingoxe5984 As we all know, Jesus famously said "Thou shalt be gay"
@@landmine9302 He did? Hell yeah.
Knowning how toxic history communities can sometimes be, I really appreciate your effort on giving us this information! It's really interesting :)
@MR Reality who cares
MR Reality snowflake
@MR Reality what year were the gays invented?
@Yeetus debeetus Tell me how the world was improved by castrating Alan Turing and driving him to suicide?
@早坂愛 Never before have I been so offended by something that I agree 100% with.
I think this should be here. One of those erotic poems he talked about:
From Königsberg to Monsieur Algarotti, Swan of Padua
This night, vigorous desire in full measure,
Algarotti wallowed in a sea of pleasure.
A body not even a Praxitiles fashions
Redoubled his senses and imbued his passions
Everything that speaks to eyes and touches hearts,
Was found in the fond object that enflamed his parts.
Transported by love and trembling with excitement
In Cloris’ arms he yields himself to contentment
The love that unites them heated their embraces
And tied bodies and arms as tightly as laces.
Divine sensual pleasure! To the world a king!
Mother of their delights, an unstaunchable spring,
Speak through my verses, lend me your voice and tenses
Tell of their fire, acts, the ecstasy of their senses!
Our fortunate lovers, transported high above
Know only themselves in the fury of love:
Kissing, enjoying, feeling, sighing and dying
Reviving, kissing, then back to pleasure flying.
And in Knidos’ grove, breathless and worn out
Was these lovers’ happy destiny, without doubt.
But all joy is finite; in the morning ends the bout.
Fortunate the man whose mind was never the prey
To luxury, or grand airs, one who knows how to say
A moment of climax for a fortunate lover
Is worth so many aeons of star-spangled honour.
La Jouissance yeah I can understand why EmperorTigerstar didn't include it.
That's beautiful
Oh... Oh my. 😳
I like how the Uranian theory accidentally validated trans women.
Only woman if was born woman
@@sergiowinter5383 Much more complicated than that, but you don't want to know that.
this is just like how dumb transphobes validate trans people themselves, by having no idea of how being trans works on the first place lol
you're women if you were born a women
@@Bob-fh4ht newsflash: trans women are also born women to ppl that arent transphobes!!!!!!!! biological gender isnt that important. u might not know this.... but you acknowledging a person's identity as they want to be perceived doesnt hurt.
>return to comment section a year later
>sort by new
>Homophobes still coping and seething
good, stay mad
based
@@FriedrichBarb >Hidden comment
lol
lmao
@@FriedrichBarb because they'll be dead before they can touch anyone again
(also hiv an aids does in fact transmit through straight sex too)
haha true 1 day ago was the latest
@@FriedrichBarb Small reminder that the most homophobic nation in Europe, Russia, has one of the highest HIV rates.
"I was so great at the battlefield because i didn't attack them in a straight line"
-Frederick the Great
Ivan the Terrible: There is no great who could defeat this Russian
Frederick the Great:psst what about flute busting Prussian
of course Alexander the great didnt invade Persia because he was bisexual. it was because he was a gemini 💅
Huh.
Wait a minute, haven’t I seen a person with a similar username cause dad bot to ping everyone on a discord server?
Who?
Brenner The Lego Maniac cyrule.
@@otermi yes! that was indeed me. i get recognized from that image all the time lol. small world
Temple of "Roommates"
The "friend zone" 😏
"Home of the homies"
The Gayzebo.
kaiserboos crying rn
13:56 Frederick x Voltaire was the first ship
ngl, shipping yourselves is kinda a power move
First ship ever
Chad gay vs Virgin streit
@@angelmiau8445*laugh's in bixesual*
MORTAL
Voltaire was aggressively homophobic though
One fact that always gets overlooked when people are debating Frederick's sexuality is the fact that he had three or four (depending on how you count) statues of Antinous, the Emperor Hadrian's male lover, at his palace of Sanssouci. That WAS the 18th century equivalent of the rainbow flag. People don't think that there was such a thing as "queer culture" before like Oscar Wilde, but that is so very not true. Queer people *always* had ways of identifying themselves to one another and by extension to the world if they wanted to.
And imagine being so powerful that YOUR identifyer takes the form of putting up several giant statues. I bet he made James Buchanan feel like such a noob.
Still, as a proletarian from the Rhineland I‘m never going to be a fan of the Prussian Obrigkeit no matter what form it takes. Unlike Oscar Wilde who is definitely based af.
I’m so glad that somebody mentions this. He also had a giant fresco for Ganymede too. That’s the biggest sign of him being gay to me.
@@raylast3873 “proletariat from the Rhineland” damn bro you work at McDonald’s we get it, time to make Germany a national socialist state eh?
@@youarewrong5523 wtf bro national socialists were literally continuing prussian state traditions. And I‘ll never support fascist scabs or German imperialism.
*a friend of Dorothy has entered the chat*
Wow what an interesting video. I wonder how inclusive and supportive the comment section will be.
Well... It includes all view points on homosexuality :(
More like inclusus and suspportive
@@sergiowinter5383 amogus
@@mnm1273 whaddya mean
@@comradekenobi6908 That there are both supportive people and homophobes.
Frederick I's parenting be like:
Wow, my son doesn't share my values, I think he might undermine my impact on history of my nation. I'm sure if I beat him, exile his first love, kill his second love, pressure him into marrying a person he hates and publicly humiliate him enough, he'll love me and continue my political course.
Honestly dosent sound to far off from the parents of some of my exes
Good parenting moment
The sad thing is that FW's plan ultimately succeeded.
Frederick eventually became the kind of soldier king his father would respect.
13:30 don’t worry mate I’m sure he mastered the flute years before this
Not to sound like a monarchist, but I'd kneel for him...
Lmao, 135 dislikes to 657 likes.
Seems like some people aren't so happy about this topic
To be fair, a lot of people will call historical figures “gay” just because they never beared children. (Richard the lionheart comes to mind)
Fredrick is the exception tho because of the love poems etc. proving he was gay, but i do get annoyed when historians just call anyone who didn’t have kids gay.
Sus
It says 188 for me.
@@laughsatchungus1461 I do wonder why there are people who deny his sexuality even after he ran away with a "fellow soldier", collected homoerotic art and even wrote poems about it. My theory is those people have themselves homoerotic feelings but they fear being called gay so they deny Frederick being gay for liking the things that they'd like
@@AppalachianMenace well you did comment after me so dislikes climbed a little, but the ratio is still pretty sus
Wow, Voltaire really wrote My Friend Is Very Gay: A Novel.
Based
Voltaire was a cad I'm afraid.
Waiting for commenters to be shocked that gay people existed in yee olden days.
Alexander the Great the ancient sus
You are lying,gay people were invented in 1970
You are lying,gay people were invented in 1970
You are lying,gay people were invented in 1970
@@sergiowinter5383 He was straight, you know.
Honestly this kind of nuance in history isn't as taught outside of really dedicated circles-in my school system, they just glanced over historical figures' backgrounds and such. Though I don't know If I should attribute that being a School or Education problem
@Global First Amendment.
Prove it.
@@fleurdetristesse5218 Bunch of sex happened yesterday in the world, and today is not very different from yesterday
Why would you ever be required to know these details? This is for enjoyment, not practicality.
i mean no high school history class can go over ALL the nuance of history ever. i remember talking about this in my european history class but it was my personal interest. i dont see it as a problem with the system just how humongous history is
@Global First Amendment. I agree, but your not you're. :) You're should only be used when it's you are.
428 dislikes, wehraboo homophobes mad, gay rights, trans rights baybeeee
3:30 so Frederick was into femboys?
The most cultured man in history
He did it before it was cool.
Not femboys, femmen.
the first gamer
Based and cultured.
I feel like a history of gay monarchs would be a really intriguing field of study
Hm
Happy Pride Month! Enjoy the video.
EDIT: Looks like a few captions I accidentally put 1800s instead of 1700s. My bad.
Cringe
@@trendyweb1523 Cringer
Top Cringe
@@trendyweb1523 cope
@@trendyweb1523 complains the guy with an anime PFP.
Some of y’all in the comments really need to go outside and touch grass
Steps to be the best king imaginable:
-Lead the best army on the planet
-Command high authority
-Be so enlightened that it's a privilege for others to serve you
-Be hella gay
Except that he was an antisemite and a colonizer that dehumanized foreigners. Being gay doesn’t make him good.
So, Frederick in his youth was basically "All of this enraged his father, who punished him severely".
Truly a prime Sigma Male on his Quadrillionaire grindset 😤😤😤 #wolfamongsheep
Every Prussian is a sigma male regardless of their sexuality! #ligmagrindset
Missed out on the opportunity to make the title “Frederick the Gay”
I didn't know Frederick the Great was gay... Guess I'm Frederick simp now.
I love how homophobes says "his sexuality doesn't matter, the important thing is that he was a good king"
If his sexuality doesn't matter why you're specifically talking about it? Just say that he was a good kind, lol
Being gay was very important to his reign. No ones saying it wasn't
Any monarch's sexual life doesn't matter the important thing is what they did to their country.
You know you can't have sex with countries
omg homophobes being right for once?
@@_M4X15 i assure you there is people saying that.
So people are homophobic for stating his sexuality isn’t as important as his accomplishments? Also they’re responding to the video and the comments who are talking about it. There’s no reasoning with people such as yourself who want to find excuses to call everything offensive.
I'm sure he did master the flute.
I did
@@federicov.8685
Achilles and pat-
*Gets shot by historians*
God dam history putting gay characters everywhere too political smh
I CAN'T believe that THE GAYS are putting POLITICS INTO MY POLITICS
this is a statesman, his EXISTENCE, is political x)
Finally I can now add someone to my Hamon User list.
Gay men before the 20th century?! IMPOSSIBLE!
Wait
Im a very historic interstet German and this is the first time that I hear of that. WHY? I WANTED TO KNOW THAT ERLIER
because historian tend to "forgot" the homosexuality of important historical figures
@@annasantiago6997 Or the LGBwhatever community searches for every opportunity to find some historical examples of their habits.
@@sergiowinter5383 why being so scornful about historicals facts ? I mean the had an entire ROOM filed with gay porn, and it's not habits, habits is something you choose to do, you don't choose being gay or trans
@@annasantiago6997 Well, modern day historians don't really forget it and tend to put it into books, but back in the day (like 1933-1990, a conspicuous starting date) they wouldn't put it into history books because the information was suppressed
@@thealeph165 that's what a friend told me just after watching this video, he is a historian student so i trust him
In Candide Voltaire talks about Frederick as the "king of bulgarians" since bulgarian had a double meaning for gay at this time.
So basically the last theory is "he wasnt gay, his partners were just trans"
please no
@@j3ka7a84 Based Konstantin
@@j3ka7a84 please yes
@@j3ka7a84 no way it's rodzaevsky irl 😳😳😳
Stay in reddit pls
*_he just kissed his homies good night, whats gay about it?_*
Friedrichs Sigma Grindset: "Hate women with disgust."
"You are wrong Machiavelli!"
*Proceeds to use his tactics in the 7 years war*
IIRC Frederick published the Anti-Machiavel right around the time he became king, and soon after he published it he realized he would need to use some of Machiavelli's tactics and tried to pull his own book from shelves.
Wow what an informative video! I'm sure the comment section will be civil, right?
Of course! Everyone here is being completely civil and friendly, with no bigotry or hatred at all.
Not many members of the armed forces here, so yes
@@sergiowinter5383 What connection is there to serving in the military and being civil in simple discussion?
@@dkoda840 Because people inside the army are called military while the ones outside of it are called civilians. So, with enough military members the discussion will be military and not civil.
@@sergiowinter5383 Ya know what ya can have that one lmao
I love how many people in this comment section says that you shouldn't assume Fredrick is gay, but you can assume him as straight all you want because logic, I guess.
Ikr, people are stupid 😐
Because that's the norm
@@aaa-to3kb So?
@@baneofbanes The dude just explained that it's the norm, I don't think he was trying to make a point. No need to get all passive aggressive Smithyboy.
@@fgqgqlfqsfsffeff Only person upset here is you.
Wow, it's almost as if homosexuality has been a thing since forever but only now it has come to be accepted
it's acceptance fluctuated greatly throughout time and place. See Romans and greeks, then classical France, the Nords,, etc.
No, homosexuality has been a thing since forever but only now it is manifested in a way that gets in the way of someone acting like a normal person and being constructive to society.
@@wallachia4797
Please keep your gamerphobic comments to yourself
@@noviedeos Fridericus Gaming
@@wallachia4797 no
Hello EmperorTigerstar. I just wanted to let you know that Hanns Hermann von Katte attempted to run away with Frederick in 1730 as he was also executed in 1730 and not in 1830. I know your commentary was correct but in your slide it says 1830. I just wanted to kindly point that out :) Edit: time was at 7:18
I remember being forced to read a really long book about the War of the Austrian Succession in college that must have been written decades ago. That book talked about Frederick the Great and his life for like 1/3 of it's entire length and it never once mentioned he was gay. It makes me really sad to think that centuries after his death people were still trying to ignore Frederick's homosexuality because they didn't want to admit a man associated with excellent military leadership was gay.
Or he wasn't homosexual. You know the logical answer. This isn't the first time that a great in history was labeled as homosexual for not being overtly promiscuous.
The same thing as done with Alexander the great.
He wasn't gay, he was just European
Hide you just dropped a atomic bomb on the poor europeans that saw this comment lmao
French*
What if he’s gay AND European?
@@lemmonboy6459 that should make him straight
@@GALA89 it… cancels it out?
I do not judge by sexuality nor by appearence, i judge a persons ability to lead a country by their own values and motives with their competence to do so
good for you
what a chad
eh, he was a cringe imperialist and antisemite
@@Owen-hd3oq that’s true but among his peer
@@tamerlane9889 a hate to be that guy but some of the most awful people in history were well liker by their peers
@@tamerlane9889 amogn us
@@Owen-hd3oq >Socialism worship
In comparison, he's a gigachad.
First it was Sappho and her friend, now it's Frederick and his friend.
Napoleon and Alexander
Frederick and his totally straight roomate for life
"Oh my god they were roomates"
Just mens bein frens!
Alcibiades and whatever he's up to
One of Frederick's greatest victories, Hohenfriedberg, happening in June, Pride Month, is such an insane kind of foreshadowing.
7:03 "This enraged Frederick's father, who punished him severely."
Wish there was the Reddit controversial comments option for UA-cam, lol
i guess sorting by new would be the next best thing
@@brendanthebomber. With videos that only become controversial years later, yes.
I don't even know why I'm here, prpbably because I looped the Frederick the Great segment on the "Ivan the Terrible vs Alexander the Great" ERB video for like 10 times in a row.