Reading some of these comments, I feel like I made a mistake of not making this even clearer in the video. This AI doesn't, nor could ever predict "who". It doesn't have a database of names or criminal records, only public data of events and locations. It's technically broader than previous algorithms used by some major cities because it quantifies the data into broad clusters rather than streets or political boundaries. TLDR: Even in the farthest stretch of the imagination, nobody would or could be arrested for a "pre-crime" as a result of this algorithm regardless of how it's used.
In Switzerland, just about everyone has a gun. Most are semi-automatics. Result: 48 murders out of 8.6 million people. Chicago -toughest gun restrictions were criminals are most likely the only ones with guns. Result: 16,426 murders for 2.7 million people. Answer to crime: Everyone needs to be lovked and loaded.
Now that I left my joke comment and actually finished the video, I have to say that I really appreciate what you did here. Your ability to apply logic without abandoning compassion is refreshing. I'm glad to be able to support work like this.
@@hektik7 You'll have to put more effort in than that if you want me to have a conversation with you. If I want vague political rhetoric and open-ended accusations without any explanation, I can just turn on the radio or TV. It's November 3. lol
As a Chicagoan, this was a very very interesting look into this issue and I appreciate the time and effort you took into making this. Purpose Over Pain - I will be sure to donate to them. That is a great organization.
Benn, please continue this work. I came here for the music tech content originally, but this is so much needed and you execute it brilliantly and compassionately.
It's not that I don't trust technology, but it's really hard to trust people and especially the state. How you interpret and make it sound in the video is cool and resonates with me emotionally, but I can't help but think this kind of technology would inevitably be used for the wrong kind of surveillance.
19:17 - the emotion in this line alone, the way it feels like you're so angry and sad and fighting to keep the emotions from overcoming the delivery of the line is so strong I cried from the delivery alone.
"...criminally underrated" 👌 Maybe youtube could take pointers from that a.i. project then, and predict when the platform's algorithm is about to commit a crime...by not recommending this channel to more viewers. 😁👍✌️
It's incredible for me to imagine you're the only person working on this channel. From across the pond, thank you for the great work you are doing. It's always so exciting to see what you will upload next and this was truly important work
Thanks for mentioning the problem early on - if you look for crime, you'll find crime. Self-fulfilling prophecy, and the biases of the people who design, program, provide data, and analyze the results.
19:30 I swear the politicians and police chiefs would try to use the University data for selective enforcement. Is there a way to only give it to the community centers?
My understanding of federal gun control laws is that, in adherence to the 1968 Gun Control Act and the ATF, you can cross state lines with a rifle or a shotgun you purchased from a bordering state. You can purchase handguns as well, but they would have to be shipped from the gun store in Indiana to a gun store near your hometown in Illinois before you can process the transaction and obtain the handgun. Otherwise, it would be straw purchasing and therefore a felony. I’m not trying to be contrarian or defend Indiana, but I think this is something worth pointing out.
My grandpa was a master at identifying crime before it happened. I was in awe, but my mom would always hush him and call him “inappropriate” or “old fashioned.” I’ll still never know how he did it or why my mom tried to silence him.
Once again Ben smashing it with this video, please don't be apologetic about broadening people's minds! I love the variety of what you put out, keep doing what you do!
Greetings from Germany. While this was a subject that was not having direct impact on me in any way or form, since we have an incredibly strict gun law, your personal story about being shot as a kid and at the end showing how many kids died at your hometown in one year hit quite hard. It feels surreal to me from outside that this circle of violence continues with no end in sight. I hope your video did impact someone and politics take an interest. Even if it just means someone taking action in community work would be helpful. Thank you for that video, i enjoyed it and wasn't expecting that from a music oriented channel.
Wow, your story is scary! Great video! Being a European, I can't understand all that gun violence in the US... especially when just north of the border, in Canada, there isn't much gun violence at all! And I believe they also own quite a few guns... Here it's almost impossible to own a gun! Lastly, I know what they a re developing will help and it's far from a Minority Report situation, I hope we never get that far as a Minority Report scenario though...
That was equal parts fascinating and horribly sad. Being in the UK, I simply can't imagine what it's like to live with a societal problem like this. Totally unrelated to gun violence and maybe a little trite to mention in this context, but when I was 8 I fell down a quarry and sliced my left palm very deeply (broke the tendon to my thumb). My awareness of the injury at the time and my most enduring memory of the moments afterwards are eerily similar to yours, Benn - the sensation of heat, all over my legs (I was drenched in blood, it literally filled my wellington boots), was so strong and strange and totally unexpected. Didn't hurt much until after I'd got to hospital (absolutely the adrenaline).
fantastic work on this, been watching your videos on and off for a while, but for this one you earned my sub. It's not much, but its the least I can do for someone fighting the good fight.
When I was a mere lad, starting out in life in Detroit we had a police program named STRESS, an acronym for Stop the Robberies Enjoy Safe Streets. These were the most demonstrably badass Detroit cops riding around together in mostly units of four to a car kicking the shit out of people, mostly petty drug dealers and big mouthed idiots. They were widely despised and rightfully so. This was sort of the era of the Black Killers and the Errol Flynns as the prominent gangs inside the city, very pre watered down Crips and Bloods. I had a customer back then tell me that STRESS was just another gang you had to watch out for negotiating your way around the city. Pretty easy to understand why the lady in your vid might want fewer police rather than more. The day of the friendly Irish beat cop on your block seemingly has come and gone. If indeed it ever really existed. Having said that, let me say this, as unpopular at it will likely be. The problem here isn't as much too many guns, as it is too few dads. It's my strongly held opinion that if you can fix the broken culture, the rest of it will fall into place.
Great video, for an issue that has such a logical solution it’s amazing that the subject is tip toed around so much in the states and that so many refuse to discuss it in depth, to the point where one of the best musical voices on UA-cam takes it upon himself. Amazing.
I don't know your music but from the comments it sounds like you were an accomplished electronic musician and I'm just very impressed that you've branched into the scientific like this, as I've always believed musicians are some of the most brilliant people! not that music isn't an extremely high form of social contribution, but I know a musician's mind can potentially be used maybe to solve so many problems... so bravo I'm a new big fan and I better check your music out too!!!
#1. In comparison to a lot of other cities in the U.S. Chicago isn't even close to the top, in regards to gun violence. #2 These shootings that you hear about are not city wide, they are contained to a few extremely poverty stricken neighborhoods, mostly on Chicago's West and South side. I've lived in Chicago for 44 years, and have never been to a single one of these neighborhoods. These news headlines are sensationalized and have chosen to pick Chicago as the face of gun violence in the U.S. for their own political propaganda agenda.
I'll be honest, Benn, my first impression when watching this is to be highly impressed. And I remain thankful that someone like yourself (a man-machine of a walker vs a talker ha) is giving a controversial topic like this a go. My 46 yr old side tells me that these things are actually complicated as hell, just like the Human Beings which they involve. (Things) in this case refer to the factors of inner-city violent crime. I've lived in Dallas and Houston btw. A part of me wonders, if guns were somehow (miraculously) removed from the equation of these killings, if these kids would not find some other medieval means of bashing ea other to bits in gang conflicts. I am an expat living in Swden for 17yrs... In Sweden I have seen that the dramatic rise in violent crime has very little to do with guns and much more to do with cultural and social dynamics changing. About algos getting involved: for me the fear is not about the initial phase where the colleges have cranked out a kick ass algo that possesses Honest intentions, rather what this could lead to... Just as we unfortunately discovered with government wire-tapping from the likes of Snowden... or how blasts of sound are used against protestors. When money and Power get a hold of good (honest) tech, eventually thibgs will sour and rights will be eroded. One can barely protest anymore without ending up in some database. Anyway, to be fair, I know nothing about the Intricacies of the situation in Chicago, but still I am very glad and appreciate your insight and concern. Those inner-city orgs def need all the help they can get. Thx for yetzanorher nice doc 👋
"for me the fear is not about the initial phase where the colleges have cranked out a kick ass algo that possesses Honest intentions, rather what this could lead to... " indeed. ai assisted crime prevention, is only as good as the input, and the application by law enforcement. police have always "predicted" crime. not sure if ai will remove some of their bias.
Here is the first issue. You take people who do NOT live in these areas, who do NOT go through these conditions everyday,and have them give their 'opinions' about it. You use millions of dollars to 'study' this which could have been used to create positive reinforcement and programs to keep those same people occupied.Understand there's athletes,scholars, musicians, and great minds with those same people committing crimes or the victims of. For example, why are there not better /inexpensive schools, more libraries with public resources, better /more supermarkets with better produce? Why are there not better resources to open business for LOCAL citizens,more resources to learn about finance, economics,etc? I am a person who has implemented and created programs with NO money from that community. People are tired,scared,and do not want research,they want ACTION..period..Let's start there,with actions...
So, disclaimer, I'm still a student in Data science and am by no means an expert. ... However, while in principle I like your conclusion about how this tool could possibly be used to help empower the organizations already trying to help proactively reduce and eliminate the violence occurring. The cynic in me knows that once a tool is made, it's going to be used. Since it lives in software and is an algorithm that is trained, it is easy for this tool to fall into the wrong hands and be abused. Or possibly be a steppingstone/set a precedence to allow for more invasive algorithms/data collection in the future. Even if steps to insure against this have been made. Additionally, unless I am misunderstanding something. This model is based off of data that has been collected (specifically, not in real time). Meaning that while it is predicting and is reactive and not proactive. What I mean by this its predictions are based off of past data and applying that information to the present. Meaning that unless there is a constant stream of data being fed into this algorithm regarding current events, social media activity, sms/call activity and other sources (which would crack open a huge can of worms regarding people's right to privacy) It would simply just be making predictions and not take into account current real time events in the community. Unlike groups like purpose over pain, which are taking in current events in their area and using that to help prevent the causes of violent crime. This could be fine in theory, but it would need to be proven that the algorithm could respond to short term and longer-term trends appropriately and accurately. That brings me to another point I'd like to make regarding its accuracy. To build on my first point from earlier. There is sort of a conflict I could see where they could limit the accuracy to help alleviate the risk of the algorithm being abused (which on its own is a band-aid solution at best), there is an incentive to still make it as accurate as possible to insure it useful groups like purpose over pain. That is a hard balance to find and I'm not sure I trust being able to achieve that over simply giving more resources and funding to groups like purpose over pain. Excellent Video Ben, while I'm not sure yet if I agree with your outlook an A.I and algorithms. I really like you bringing more attention and possibly action for this situation. I know personally I'm going to bookmark purpose over pain as an organization I'd like to donate to once I'm no longer a student and have the ability to do things like donating.
I am a gun owner. I'm continually disappointed that no one in power seems interested in pushing small, sensible changes to gun laws. The one gun a month rule seems like a no-brainer, but I don't think I've seen that ever pushed. It's also disappointing to know that someone is going to get so hung up about the "assault rifle" wording at 16:35 that they'll miss the entire point of the section.
you're my favorite kind of channel, I came to you for the music content, but I love when you put out videos like this. you can really tell how much effort goes into these, thank you!
How was Cabelas supposed to do this? Their zipcode has a 49k avg household income vs St Sabinas 46k, the difference is bigger in Avg Gross Income with 41k vs 35k. Where there is a huge difference is that the public school % enrollment by race in St Sabina's is 97% black (and the zipcode is 0.77% white), while Hammond is 41% black school population, and a zip code total white population at 43%. Almost any policy that Cabela's will follow to prevent Chicago residents (especially in the nearest high crime areas) - is going to look a lot like racial profiling. Since race is such a hot issue in the US - maybe the researchers should seek areas with much more homogenous demographics, and do the research, and learn the lessons there, free from the constant discussion of race....and once that low hanging fruit is collected and iterated, we can then use it to navigate the more problematic demographic discussions of contemporary US high crime areas.
I think third places should also be a consideration, specifically for older kids and teens. Kids have playgrounds, and adults can usually find the money to go into a capitalist space like a coffee shop, bar, or bowling alley. Teens though, they aren't often allowed to congregate, much less have a space. Often what is afforded, is for religion. For middle-class teens, in the past they might be able to get away with hanging out in the mall if they buy some food and the occasional record or game, now that that space is gone (and malls don't allow unaccompanied people under 20), there's at least the internet and places like VR chat, discord, Minecraft servers... But if your a teen and too poor for internet and a recent PC... What do you have? I've posed this question to people in power, and they acted like teenagers are pests to be driven out rather than citizens... And this is in Arkansas, in a city that Chicago would call tiny. Is it any wonder that when your presence with friends is a crime and you have nothing better to do, that crime would be what you end up doing?
Thanks for your hard work again. You make a really wise use of this platform of yours. And needless to say, love to everyone that have to live trough this shit.
Interesting and unendingly baffling as a European who never really fears gun violence or the police. If you have access to HBO Max: there's a documentary on there, "Requiem for the Dead: American Spring 2014". It soberly documents the over 8000 (!) American deaths from guns in just that single spring from that single year. To think that even with these staggering numbers it was a regular spring in America. And there have been 8 of those since...
Great video! I think using data science to predict crime density wrt. time and location could be fine. But there almost surely will be a way to abuse such a system, maybe even if you don't have access to it (black box adversarial attacks). I also think employing a model like that should be one of the last measures to reduce crime. As you said, what even is the point of all that when much simpler ways of reducing crime are ignored.
I think American politics could be summarized as "we've found a potential over-engineered solution to a problem whose solution we've known for decades but nobody with power wants to do anything about it"
This was an incredibly enlightening research and presentation, particularly how more cop deployment does little to improve outcomes. Politicians are addicted to cop worship and frankly, having observed scads of them, even in lower crime area Seattle, it is kind of obvious that there are more than a handful of bad actors on the force. In fact, there is probably a good use case to decrease the number of cops and increase the amount of training hours that our police forces typically receive. I hate to say that all of the most US Police forces are doing it wrong, but the outcomes of their behavior kinda spell that fact out.
Don't apologize for the emotional coverage. We need this kind of wake up call when our government is just funding more police. I hope the common sense view on algorithms, that they are NOT magic and reinforce existing biases, makes people question predictive policing more and more. (They've already had to rebrand that crap)
Seems like just like the war on drugs, we need to address the perverse profit incentive. With the war on drugs: drugs are illegal, therefore only criminals will profit from the selling of drugs. Some countries around the world have changed the profit incentive by decriminalizing drugs or having health clinics sell the drugs and allow users to use the drugs in a safe environment. It allows people to use drugs safely, and the state can profit from the sale of drugs, and use those funds for rehab clinics. What's stopping other countries from doing this? Mainly just outdated policies and disconnected puritans. The same goes for gun violence. Many countries have found ways to reduce gun violence, but my country, the USA, has far too many people with unaddressed mental health issues, and they think that their measly gun will be able to stop government tyranny. Kids will continue to needlessly die from gang violence, accidents, and school shootings until we change something, but half of our politicians would rather die than let that happen.
The vast majority of gun crimes in Chicago are limited to very small pockets of the city and is a result of governmental policies, yes feds leaving guns in abandoned buildings. Chicago doesn't have a gun problem, it has a political problem.
What those people on Facetime are doing is called a straw purchase and it is already illegal. The staff at that Cabela's are just ignoring (or possibly ignorant of) the law.
chicago.....not into this aspect of AI folks and people need to work together i have seen people get shot right in front of me....i have have thrown my son to the ground to avoid fire thank you for all that you do
re: ua-cam.com/video/0nfVjdZlvWQ/v-deo.html - never ever apologize for this. We have to stop looking away. To anybody who makes the complaint that you're being too political or whatever, EVERY part of our lives is dominated by the policies we agree to live under together as a society. We have a shorter word for "the policies we agree to live under together as a society, and the processes we use as a society to come to those agreements" and that's 'politics'. parasocial warning: my dude, I would really love to just hang out with you, because yeah. You're good people.
Didn’t see video yet but i can imagine how it will go AI: in these areas there is lack of affordable education and health care, people lack support and walkable (nature-esk) infrastructure, noise and air pollution affects mental states at critical levels, and thus - listed locations are more crime prone. Gov: got it, MORE POLICE PATROLS IN THOSE AREAS! AI: may i suggest more permanent and humane solution to this problem? Gov: no, MORE GUNS!
Awesome video, as someone from Europe, it's refreshing to see a broken-down view on a subject like this. All too often it's consolidated into little 3 word mantras that are nothing more than election marketing, click-bait or just stoking hate for increased "engagement". Definitely not the sort of video I was expecting from this channel, but a refreshing one for sure. Keep up the awesome work Benn
I live in Germany, where in 2021, with a population of 83 million, there were a total of 257 murder victims (no idea how many gun victims, there was a total number of 114 completed or incompleted murder _attempts_ with guns ins 2021). In Canada, with 38 million inhabitants, there were 788 homicides … still less than the number of gun victims in Chicago with 2.6 million citizens. So MAYBE, just maybe, there's something utterly wrong with gun laws and fire arms availability in the US of A?
At the end I'd play one of your creations called Mysterious Wall taken from Nothing is real....! Ps. It's hard to believe that there are places on this planet Earth where for some reason things like that are somehow keep repeating over and over again...I'm sorry but I strongly believe that police does not care enough to change that......they think it's ok...who cares...they just come up on a screen to say how sorry they feel and they'll do everything to catch the ones responsible........how fucked up is that....blame the guns..blame the ones who have them and the minds corrupted by the Gun 'thing'.... sometimes I wonder why this place is just not turning in to a inhabited jungle...full of .....gun powder...
Wow, Benn, I am baffled as to why you don't get more views. I can only conclude that youtube thinks your content is too real, so it must suppress it! /s
This is all exacerbated by the fact that the kind of data collection needed to track gun ownership and use is intentionally curtailed. At best we have impartial data and educated guesses. A lot of noise is made about how many guns are in the US. And there are by all accounts a whole lot of guns. But based on available data. Most people don't even own one gun. Last I looked into it. The average gun owner owns about 5 guns. It's difficult to get an idea of the spread as a lot of data isn't granular enough to look at individuals and at best looks at households. But from what is available, only around 40% of Americans own a firearm. Of that 40% the bulk own about 1 gun. Then about 20% own a freaking arsenal representing a whopping 80% of all civilian owned firearms in the country. There are a metric ton of guns out there. But a tiny portion of the population seems to own the vast majority of them. All of these children are dying to serve the weird fetish of a couple million people. A couple million sounds like a lot but this is a country of over 350 million. We're not even talking 10% here. These people's obsession funds arms manufacturers who fund lobbying groups who make it so that doing literally anything about this epidemic is next to impossible. The trading and selling of their macabre collection results in the largely untracked private sales market where a lot of guns vanish and get used for who knows what. All of the "responsible gun owners" out there don't get to absolve themselves of their complicity in this situation. Your weekend at the range is funding the paralysis which leads to more dead kids and dangerous neighborhoods too. Crime predicting AI could help the groups trying to combat violence in their community. I think it should be made available in spite of the risks of misuse by cops etc. But it's only ever going to be a bandaid on a gunshot wound. Much like how we know that thousands of firearms are coming from just a handful of locations. We also know the factors responsible for incentivizing crime and violence. Speaking of cops, they sure do seem to prove ineffectual at anything other than filling their coffers and the coffers of cities through the over policing of poor people. Might be interesting if we, say, shifted most of that budget towards groups like the one in the video and towards programs for training more people like them. Like, taking that police funding, and de-livering it to another organization with a better track record for affecting community change. Might need some sort of simple and catchy slogan which summarizes the idea a bit though. Maybe if we did that de-livering thing, we wouldn't have to worry so much about cops using AI tools to further harass and criminalize minority groups. Anyway, Benn, when you gun drop a sample pack of that .22 you just bought? Maybe try recording the echos in the barrel to make some sweet reverb tails? Just make sure the mic is bullet proof.
Ai crime prediction is really fucking scary. It makes me think about captain america 2, where they wanted to eliminate everyone prone to violent crimes before they even comitted them just because they are prone to do them. Policing is getting out of control.
Dude, your content is insanely good. It’s a shame that these sorts of videos don’t get the attention they deserve. The range of content you make and the effort you put in is so apparent. Again, really awesome work. I came for music production information and I stayed for dozens and dozens of videos because of you and your delivery. Have a good day mate.
I do also appreciate people who put themselves out there on a wide variety of topics, it gives a personal twist on your work. It really helps people see your perspective
The list of names at the end was absolutely heartbreaking, I couldn't help picturing my own children and their peers as I read the ages. I can't imagine the fear and trauma that must run through communities in America facing gun violence. I'm so sorry you experienced it yourself as a child, and I'm sorry for anyone else who's experienced anything like it. No-one should have to live with that or die from it. I'm from the UK myself and America's gun problems can often feel bizarre and hard to really comprehend, so I'm very grateful for your insight, clarity and humanity. Keep making videos Ben. Thank you.
Hey Benn ! I hope you have a chance to read this since its a topic near and dear to my heart. For background I was have a degree in sociology with a concentration in crime and criminal justice system. Interesting enough Chicago specifically is a big topic of study in sociological circles in terms of crime thanks to Clifford R. Shaw and Henry D. McKay who collected 40ish years of crime data in Chicago. They came up with a theory of Social Disorganization. Over the 40 years of data consistently you could tell where crime would take place in Chicago by its geographical data. Very interesting study you should read if you have a chance. Long story short , these locations are all places that have historically been under funded, lack community resource, lack access to school and other basic resources. Over the 40 years the demographic of these places have changed but the crime levels continue to be high here. Okay okay .. what is my point. My point is that these IA prediction of where crime will happen and when are kind of useless. Out side of providing data of where police can come and "Help" as you pointed out in your video doesn't solve much crime. The real solution is address why crime occurs. Why people are committing these crimes comes from a societal break down of providing resources, a history of racism in how we house and education people, and how we police different people. In my opinion these AI or crime prediction tools are dangerous in that way because it makes people thing well we know where crime will occur lets take care of it that way. What we should be doing is saying we know why crime occurs and we will be providing the resources and tooling to prevent it that way. The way where we actually make society better for all those involved. I wanted to add one more point. I 100% agree with you about gun control and that it would make society so much better, but even that is still a bandaid in terms of addressing the real inequality and conditions creating the "need" of people to commit crime.
" Why people are committing these crimes comes from a societal break down of providing resources" not to you, but to all police directors and crime scientists, I would say, ...duh. people (even highly educated ones) seem to forget that 10 years is not enough to change generational impact. as Ben suggested; Ai is not needed to prevent crime. (the scientists basically said it never was meant to) it seems that instead of fixing the roof, police admin and the adjacent sectors want to sell more buckets. collecting data is like figuring out what size vs number of buckets to use to put under the leaks. looking at houses where the roof is broken, would help victims/prevent offenders much more, astronomically so. People who have something to look forward to / something to lose, don't buy guns to commit crime.
@@brmbkl ya it’s really an easy point to wrap you head around. To fix that though it requires program to fix social and racial inequality and long term programs in communities. This is costly both financially and politically since it’s not a quick fix. Politicians campaign on tough on crime and use police statistics to campaign. They don’t care about long term fixes because it long term solutions and spending don’t get them re-elected and seeing problems solved 5-10 years down the line is hard to campaign on.
@@mastermachetier5594 a scary possible result of predictive policing (not identical but similar to the topic of this essay) ; ua-cam.com/video/Fd_YfwoVaEg/v-deo.html
yes, because murderers, criminals and r*pists always stop committing crime when they have x, y and z fulfilled! 🤢🤮🙄 that's why there's zero crime in communist countries, all throughout history! oh wait...
Wait, are you implying that by imposing suffering of not having essential needs be a certainty in life, people are desperate, afraid, and will resort to criminal, not to mention extremely dangerous means of securing that sense of security? Preposterous! /s
Has tbis been proven to stop crime at all? We tried buying homeless people their own homes and the result was junkies tearing the copper out of walls for drug money and squatting in the uninhabitable shell
Genuinely appreciate the thoughtful video about the AI and its limitations. However, the highly edited gun purchase bit was disingenuous to the actual hurdles to purchasing a gun. For him to realistically have had his thoughts on what gun to buy, process the federal checks, and finalize the sale all in under 7 minutes is very doubtful. Regardless the black on black crime and prejudiced policing is still an issue that plagues not just Chicago but many major cities.
Man you're such a cool guy. I'm just happy you exist right right now. Fuck yeah. Edit: I've just reached the end of the video; I'm sorry if my tone seems a little weird with all of that. But my sentiment is one of love, no disrespect.
With this video you went from being my favorite synthesizer UA-camr to one of the more important people in the world because you are one of the only people having this discussion. What would a post police state look like? What would community policing look like? Nobody is having this discussion. Thank you for bringing this up. You're a bad ass.
maybe I'm just being naive but I don't really see how this crime predicting algorithm could be useful. most crime is in some way caused by poverty so the best way to reduce crime, at least right now, would be to take serious measures to reduce or even eliminate poverty. we don't really need to know where the crime is happening to solve it.
Benn I know me saying this doesn't do a great deal, but your channel deserves to have so much more reach. I've shared some of your videos with friends in the past since you make exceptional content, but this video needs to be seen by as many people as possible. Thanks for the reminder that apathy and nihilism towards productive change doesn't have to be the route we take. Keep up the great work.
I'm a PhD student researching algorithmic biases so seeing the title of this video gave me some apprehension. You did a great job with this, though. Funny that I started watching this channel for the Eurorack videos... those are great too but I'm incredibly glad you're branching out like this.
don't want to knock the entire field, especially since you're interested in systemic bias, but I feel a.i. will be just another tool to perpetuate problems inherent in policing that exist today. Crime statistics supposedly proving that certain people commit crime disproportionaly (Confirmation bias; you find crime where you are looking for it) only now ramped up and justified by science/algorhitms leading to even less personal accountability. ua-cam.com/video/Fd_YfwoVaEg/v-deo.html
You should maybe move to the hood and then cry about biases… I’ve lived in both the hood and now in a rich suburb and I can tell you this, the hood is where the crime is and it’s not even close. You people live in your ivory towers and act like you want to actually solve shit, but you don’t, you just want to score some points instead of actually solving an issue. Oh and this woman is by far the minority of wanting less police, and the gun violence is because of a broken culture and ivory tower elitists who would rather look like they care. Move to the hood, move to the SS of Chicago and tell me it’s the cops that are the problem
Please do not ban me but you did get some points wrong. For example, the reason he did not buy a hand gun was because it is illegal to buy a hand gun in Indiana if you live in Chicago unless you have a foid card then you will need to have a licensed arms dealers bring the gun to Chicago . The reason it is legal to buy a hunting rifle is because a lot of people come from out of state to hunt so they have different laws. I feel like he definitely had to talk to cabella’s staff found this out then was very misleading about why he bought a rifle. Like he is doing a video on this. How would this not be brought up? Plus, it is illegal to take a guns into Illinois unless you are a arms dealer. Guns can only be legally brought in by shipping them through a licensed armed dealer. Also, it was said you could go to the suburbs and just buy a gun. That is not true. You can only buy a gun if you have a foid card in the whole state of Illinois(which requires a background check and a long application process) Also gun homicides in Chicago in 2021 was not 854. Your number might be including suicides or all homicides. This is legitimate criticism so please do not ban me. I know this because I live in Chicago.
This. I posted a comment like this previously. The ATF and the 1968 Gun Control Act stated exactly what you mentioned. I was wondering how he had trouble finding this out regarding federal gun control laws because this was actually pretty easy to find on my own. Him not buying a handgun in Indiana and instead a rifle was odd too, along with his reasoning. If he was worried about a handgun he thought about buying ending up in the streets in Chicago, that implies a lack of care with regards to him owning guns, especially considering he bought a rifle.
So, firstly, you are accusing me of lying. I recorded my interactions and entire transaction at Cabela's, however it isn't entirely safe (legally) to post it on UA-cam without a waiver being signed by Cabela's, which they declined to sign. The answer I got from the dealer was "depending on the handgun". A 22LR revolver was approved. It's still unclear to me which handguns aren't allowed, but according to the floor employee, they just check the UPC and it tells them whether an out of state purchaser can buy it or not. If you don't believe me, go there yourself. Finally, if you look at the 2017 gun trace report, there's a massive gun mule problem. So this doesn't seem to matter much anyway, hence why these groups have fought so hard to simply make a "gun a month" limit that virtually anyone who isn't muling would not be affected by. Just to clear this up.
@@BennJordan I can go to Gary this weekend and see what I am told. Also it says it is illegal on the Indiana state police website. It is easy to find if you google it. You can purchase the gun in IN with a foid card then the gun need to be shipped in by an arm dealers. You should have mentioned the fact that it is illegal to bring a gun into the state of Illinois if you are not a licensed arm dealer. You make it seem like your scheme is legal. Whether people are doing it or not it would important to mention it is illegal. Just leaving that out is suspicious. Please do not ban me. Lol I actually still want to watch your channel.
@@brad.ritzel Yeah, apparently trolls have "reported me to the FBI and ATF" 🙄. I didn't actually bring a firearm back into Illinois, however. I went through IN on my way back to GA. I don't really know what to tell ya, lol. Had I not been able to buy that handgun in particular, I would have not said it. The gun trace reports tell the whole story anyway, I was just genuinely curious because these laws are constantly changing and virtually everyone on the internet is full of bs 🤣
@@BennJordan I appreciate your response. Thanks you for the dialogue with a detractor. I have emailed the Indiana state police for clarification and I will provide an update if I was incorrect. But I am very sure I am correct. It might have been legal since you live in GA not IL. Either way it seems like you understand it would have been illegal to bring it back to Illinois and you refused to mention that. If you took that rifle to Illinois that is very very illegal. As far as going back to Georgia you should be okay. I think it would legal in every state on the way. Anyone who reported your I wrong, from my understanding.
Once again, you’ve given us a nuanced window into a complex topic. Like another commenter, I first came to your channel for the eurorack vids and have gotten so much more. Thank you, Benn.
Thank you so, so very much for this. As a young girl my entire young life was defined by violence, and it felt like music was my only personal escape. You've done a lot of good for a lot of people on quite a few occasions, but especially today.
Reading some of these comments, I feel like I made a mistake of not making this even clearer in the video. This AI doesn't, nor could ever predict "who". It doesn't have a database of names or criminal records, only public data of events and locations. It's technically broader than previous algorithms used by some major cities because it quantifies the data into broad clusters rather than streets or political boundaries.
TLDR: Even in the farthest stretch of the imagination, nobody would or could be arrested for a "pre-crime" as a result of this algorithm regardless of how it's used.
Be honest Benn, they’ve manifested Minority Report and you’re one of the oracles JUST BE HONEST
And for that I recommend consulting Brandon Herrera before next such video, as there were few more minor mistakes in this overall great video.
Deffinatly struck a chord with me lol. Saw this and was like NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE. TOO WEIRD.
@@MaDmanEXE always consult with Brandon Herrera.
In Switzerland, just about everyone has a gun. Most are semi-automatics. Result: 48 murders out of 8.6 million people. Chicago -toughest gun restrictions were criminals are most likely the only ones with guns. Result: 16,426 murders for 2.7 million people. Answer to crime: Everyone needs to be lovked and loaded.
Now that I left my joke comment and actually finished the video, I have to say that I really appreciate what you did here. Your ability to apply logic without abandoning compassion is refreshing. I'm glad to be able to support work like this.
Where exactly was logic applied? This video was nothing but leftist propaganda that very conveniently dodges any mention of the heart of the issue.
@@hektik7 You'll have to put more effort in than that if you want me to have a conversation with you. If I want vague political rhetoric and open-ended accusations without any explanation, I can just turn on the radio or TV. It's November 3. lol
As a Chicagoan, this was a very very interesting look into this issue and I appreciate the time and effort you took into making this.
Purpose Over Pain - I will be sure to donate to them. That is a great organization.
Benn, please continue this work. I came here for the music tech content originally, but this is so much needed and you execute it brilliantly and compassionately.
It's not that I don't trust technology, but it's really hard to trust people and especially the state. How you interpret and make it sound in the video is cool and resonates with me emotionally, but I can't help but think this kind of technology would inevitably be used for the wrong kind of surveillance.
This is the correct view
19:17 - the emotion in this line alone, the way it feels like you're so angry and sad and fighting to keep the emotions from overcoming the delivery of the line is so strong I cried from the delivery alone.
Even at over 150k subs you are criminally underrated! I know you only do a handful of these longer form essays a year. But they really are a treat!
"...criminally underrated" 👌
Maybe youtube could take pointers from that a.i. project then, and predict when the platform's algorithm is about to commit a crime...by not recommending this channel to more viewers. 😁👍✌️
Love these videos. Very cool that you're using your platform for good.
I know these videos are hard to produce, but explaining the kind of projects you are engaged in brings it to a wide audience; its worth it. Thanks!
It's incredible for me to imagine you're the only person working on this channel. From across the pond, thank you for the great work you are doing. It's always so exciting to see what you will upload next and this was truly important work
Thanks for mentioning the problem early on - if you look for crime, you'll find crime. Self-fulfilling prophecy, and the biases of the people who design, program, provide data, and analyze the results.
19:30 I swear the politicians and police chiefs would try to use the University data for selective enforcement. Is there a way to only give it to the community centers?
Ben your an ethical man who puts his money where his mouth is….I don’t always agree with you, but I respect you.
My understanding of federal gun control laws is that, in adherence to the 1968 Gun Control Act and the ATF, you can cross state lines with a rifle or a shotgun you purchased from a bordering state. You can purchase handguns as well, but they would have to be shipped from the gun store in Indiana to a gun store near your hometown in Illinois before you can process the transaction and obtain the handgun. Otherwise, it would be straw purchasing and therefore a felony.
I’m not trying to be contrarian or defend Indiana, but I think this is something worth pointing out.
UK fella here. My jaw literally dropped when you showed the number of gun crime deaths of 2021. Damn.
This should be a recurring series.
Rights vs saftey is a tough one, it’s right up there with access to health care and social safety nets. Good luck!
My grandpa was a master at identifying crime before it happened. I was in awe, but my mom would always hush him and call him “inappropriate” or “old fashioned.” I’ll still never know how he did it or why my mom tried to silence him.
Once again Ben smashing it with this video, please don't be apologetic about broadening people's minds! I love the variety of what you put out, keep doing what you do!
Just a genuine reply from you is entirely enough. Much love.
Beautiful video Benn. I come to you for the GAS, I stay for the philosophy.
Donated and Patreoned. Thanks Benn.
Greetings from Germany. While this was a subject that was not having direct impact on me in any way or form, since we have an incredibly strict gun law, your personal story about being shot as a kid and at the end showing how many kids died at your hometown in one year hit quite hard. It feels surreal to me from outside that this circle of violence continues with no end in sight. I hope your video did impact someone and politics take an interest. Even if it just means someone taking action in community work would be helpful. Thank you for that video, i enjoyed it and wasn't expecting that from a music oriented channel.
Wow, your story is scary! Great video! Being a European, I can't understand all that gun violence in the US... especially when just north of the border, in Canada, there isn't much gun violence at all! And I believe they also own quite a few guns... Here it's almost impossible to own a gun! Lastly, I know what they a re developing will help and it's far from a Minority Report situation, I hope we never get that far as a Minority Report scenario though...
People are literally building guns in their garage
They're called ghost guns
That was equal parts fascinating and horribly sad. Being in the UK, I simply can't imagine what it's like to live with a societal problem like this. Totally unrelated to gun violence and maybe a little trite to mention in this context, but when I was 8 I fell down a quarry and sliced my left palm very deeply (broke the tendon to my thumb). My awareness of the injury at the time and my most enduring memory of the moments afterwards are eerily similar to yours, Benn - the sensation of heat, all over my legs (I was drenched in blood, it literally filled my wellington boots), was so strong and strange and totally unexpected. Didn't hurt much until after I'd got to hospital (absolutely the adrenaline).
fantastic work on this, been watching your videos on and off for a while, but for this one you earned my sub. It's not much, but its the least I can do for someone fighting the good fight.
When I was a mere lad, starting out in life in Detroit we had a police program named STRESS, an acronym for Stop the Robberies Enjoy Safe Streets. These were the most demonstrably badass Detroit cops riding around together in mostly units of four to a car kicking the shit out of people, mostly petty drug dealers and big mouthed idiots. They were widely despised and rightfully so. This was sort of the era of the Black Killers and the Errol Flynns as the prominent gangs inside the city, very pre watered down Crips and Bloods. I had a customer back then tell me that STRESS was just another gang you had to watch out for negotiating your way around the city. Pretty easy to understand why the lady in your vid might want fewer police rather than more. The day of the friendly Irish beat cop on your block seemingly has come and gone. If indeed it ever really existed. Having said that, let me say this, as unpopular at it will likely be. The problem here isn't as much too many guns, as it is too few dads. It's my strongly held opinion that if you can fix the broken culture, the rest of it will fall into place.
6:40 - it really cringes me how he calls your point 'absurd' in his segway
Thank you for making and posting this video Ben
I live in Baltimore MD (the other Chicago) and this video is almost a mirror image of what life is like here
Great video, for an issue that has such a logical solution it’s amazing that the subject is tip toed around so much in the states and that so many refuse to discuss it in depth, to the point where one of the best musical voices on UA-cam takes it upon himself. Amazing.
I don't know your music but from the comments it sounds like you were an accomplished electronic musician and I'm just very impressed that you've branched into the scientific like this, as I've always believed musicians are some of the most brilliant people! not that music isn't an extremely high form of social contribution, but I know a musician's mind can potentially be used maybe to solve so many problems... so bravo I'm a new big fan and I better check your music out too!!!
#1. In comparison to a lot of other cities in the U.S. Chicago isn't even close to the top, in regards to gun violence. #2 These shootings that you hear about are not city wide, they are contained to a few extremely poverty stricken neighborhoods, mostly on Chicago's West and South side. I've lived in Chicago for 44 years, and have never been to a single one of these neighborhoods. These news headlines are sensationalized and have chosen to pick Chicago as the face of gun violence in the U.S. for their own political propaganda agenda.
I'll be honest, Benn, my first impression when watching this is to be highly impressed. And I remain thankful that someone like yourself (a man-machine of a walker vs a talker ha) is giving a controversial topic like this a go. My 46 yr old side tells me that these things are actually complicated as hell, just like the Human Beings which they involve. (Things) in this case refer to the factors of inner-city violent crime. I've lived in Dallas and Houston btw. A part of me wonders, if guns were somehow (miraculously) removed from the equation of these killings, if these kids would not find some other medieval means of bashing ea other to bits in gang conflicts. I am an expat living in Swden for 17yrs... In Sweden I have seen that the dramatic rise in violent crime has very little to do with guns and much more to do with cultural and social dynamics changing. About algos getting involved: for me the fear is not about the initial phase where the colleges have cranked out a kick ass algo that possesses Honest intentions, rather what this could lead to... Just as we unfortunately discovered with government wire-tapping from the likes of Snowden... or how blasts of sound are used against protestors. When money and Power get a hold of good (honest) tech, eventually thibgs will sour and rights will be eroded. One can barely protest anymore without ending up in some database. Anyway, to be fair, I know nothing about the Intricacies of the situation in Chicago, but still I am very glad and appreciate your insight and concern. Those inner-city orgs def need all the help they can get. Thx for yetzanorher nice doc 👋
"for me the fear is not about the initial phase where the colleges have cranked out a kick ass algo that possesses Honest intentions, rather what this could lead to... "
indeed.
ai assisted crime prevention, is only as good as the input, and the application by law enforcement.
police have always "predicted" crime. not sure if ai will remove some of their bias.
Super logical stuff. Thanks for your effort.
Here is the first issue. You take people who do NOT live in these areas, who do NOT go through these conditions everyday,and have them give their 'opinions' about it. You use millions of dollars to 'study' this which could have been used to create positive reinforcement and programs to keep those same people occupied.Understand there's athletes,scholars, musicians, and great minds with those same people committing crimes or the victims of. For example, why are there not better /inexpensive schools, more libraries with public resources, better /more supermarkets with better produce? Why are there not better resources to open business for LOCAL citizens,more resources to learn about finance, economics,etc? I am a person who has implemented and created programs with NO money from that community. People are tired,scared,and do not want research,they want ACTION..period..Let's start there,with actions...
Thanks Benn
So, disclaimer, I'm still a student in Data science and am by no means an expert.
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However,
while in principle I like your conclusion about how this tool could possibly be used to help empower the organizations already trying to help proactively reduce and eliminate the violence occurring. The cynic in me knows that once a tool is made, it's going to be used. Since it lives in software and is an algorithm that is trained, it is easy for this tool to fall into the wrong hands and be abused. Or possibly be a steppingstone/set a precedence to allow for more invasive algorithms/data collection in the future. Even if steps to insure against this have been made.
Additionally, unless I am misunderstanding something. This model is based off of data that has been collected (specifically, not in real time). Meaning that while it is predicting and is reactive and not proactive. What I mean by this its predictions are based off of past data and applying that information to the present. Meaning that unless there is a constant stream of data being fed into this algorithm regarding current events, social media activity, sms/call activity and other sources (which would crack open a huge can of worms regarding people's right to privacy) It would simply just be making predictions and not take into account current real time events in the community. Unlike groups like purpose over pain, which are taking in current events in their area and using that to help prevent the causes of violent crime. This could be fine in theory, but it would need to be proven that the algorithm could respond to short term and longer-term trends appropriately and accurately.
That brings me to another point I'd like to make regarding its accuracy. To build on my first point from earlier. There is sort of a conflict I could see where they could limit the accuracy to help alleviate the risk of the algorithm being abused (which on its own is a band-aid solution at best), there is an incentive to still make it as accurate as possible to insure it useful groups like purpose over pain. That is a hard balance to find and I'm not sure I trust being able to achieve that over simply giving more resources and funding to groups like purpose over pain.
Excellent Video Ben, while I'm not sure yet if I agree with your outlook an A.I and algorithms. I really like you bringing more attention and possibly action for this situation. I know personally I'm going to bookmark purpose over pain as an organization I'd like to donate to once I'm no longer a student and have the ability to do things like donating.
I am a gun owner. I'm continually disappointed that no one in power seems interested in pushing small, sensible changes to gun laws. The one gun a month rule seems like a no-brainer, but I don't think I've seen that ever pushed. It's also disappointing to know that someone is going to get so hung up about the "assault rifle" wording at 16:35 that they'll miss the entire point of the section.
this dude is a legend
you're my favorite kind of channel, I came to you for the music content, but I love when you put out videos like this. you can really tell how much effort goes into these, thank you!
How was Cabelas supposed to do this?
Their zipcode has a 49k avg household income vs St Sabinas 46k, the difference is bigger in Avg Gross Income with 41k vs 35k.
Where there is a huge difference is that the public school % enrollment by race in St Sabina's is 97% black (and the zipcode is 0.77% white), while Hammond is 41% black school population, and a zip code total white population at 43%.
Almost any policy that Cabela's will follow to prevent Chicago residents (especially in the nearest high crime areas) - is going to look a lot like racial profiling.
Since race is such a hot issue in the US - maybe the researchers should seek areas with much more homogenous demographics, and do the research, and learn the lessons there, free from the constant discussion of race....and once that low hanging fruit is collected and iterated, we can then use it to navigate the more problematic demographic discussions of contemporary US high crime areas.
Great video!
Thanks for this report, brother…
I think third places should also be a consideration, specifically for older kids and teens. Kids have playgrounds, and adults can usually find the money to go into a capitalist space like a coffee shop, bar, or bowling alley. Teens though, they aren't often allowed to congregate, much less have a space. Often what is afforded, is for religion. For middle-class teens, in the past they might be able to get away with hanging out in the mall if they buy some food and the occasional record or game, now that that space is gone (and malls don't allow unaccompanied people under 20), there's at least the internet and places like VR chat, discord, Minecraft servers... But if your a teen and too poor for internet and a recent PC... What do you have? I've posed this question to people in power, and they acted like teenagers are pests to be driven out rather than citizens... And this is in Arkansas, in a city that Chicago would call tiny. Is it any wonder that when your presence with friends is a crime and you have nothing better to do, that crime would be what you end up doing?
Thanks for your hard work again. You make a really wise use of this platform of yours. And needless to say, love to everyone that have to live trough this shit.
great work Benn. Thanks!
Interesting and unendingly baffling as a European who never really fears gun violence or the police. If you have access to HBO Max: there's a documentary on there, "Requiem for the Dead: American Spring 2014". It soberly documents the over 8000 (!) American deaths from guns in just that single spring from that single year.
To think that even with these staggering numbers it was a regular spring in America. And there have been 8 of those since...
Great video! I think using data science to predict crime density wrt. time and location could be fine. But there almost surely will be a way to abuse such a system, maybe even if you don't have access to it (black box adversarial attacks). I also think employing a model like that should be one of the last measures to reduce crime. As you said, what even is the point of all that when much simpler ways of reducing crime are ignored.
I think American politics could be summarized as "we've found a potential over-engineered solution to a problem whose solution we've known for decades but nobody with power wants to do anything about it"
This was an incredibly enlightening research and presentation, particularly how more cop deployment does little to improve outcomes. Politicians are addicted to cop worship and frankly, having observed scads of them, even in lower crime area Seattle, it is kind of obvious that there are more than a handful of bad actors on the force. In fact, there is probably a good use case to decrease the number of cops and increase the amount of training hours that our police forces typically receive. I hate to say that all of the most US Police forces are doing it wrong, but the outcomes of their behavior kinda spell that fact out.
Awesome video! Thanks for making this 💯
Thanks for making great videos. ❤
Well done.
University of Chicago: we create ghouls
GO YOU GOOD THING!!!!!!
Thanks you Benn.
De-escalating the gangs internally is probably the only solution.
If the correct politicians cared I wouldn't be writing this now.
Another brilliant and important video. The Hard-to-Read list was especially heartbreaking. Thank you Benn.
How can the cops stealing not be a bigger deal?
Don't apologize for the emotional coverage. We need this kind of wake up call when our government is just funding more police.
I hope the common sense view on algorithms, that they are NOT magic and reinforce existing biases, makes people question predictive policing more and more. (They've already had to rebrand that crap)
Thanks for this great video covering such an important matter! But, hey, did you actually keep the gun? And why?
Seems like just like the war on drugs, we need to address the perverse profit incentive.
With the war on drugs: drugs are illegal, therefore only criminals will profit from the selling of drugs. Some countries around the world have changed the profit incentive by decriminalizing drugs or having health clinics sell the drugs and allow users to use the drugs in a safe environment.
It allows people to use drugs safely, and the state can profit from the sale of drugs, and use those funds for rehab clinics.
What's stopping other countries from doing this? Mainly just outdated policies and disconnected puritans.
The same goes for gun violence. Many countries have found ways to reduce gun violence, but my country, the USA, has far too many people with unaddressed mental health issues, and they think that their measly gun will be able to stop government tyranny. Kids will continue to needlessly die from gang violence, accidents, and school shootings until we change something, but half of our politicians would rather die than let that happen.
The vast majority of gun crimes in Chicago are limited to very small pockets of the city and is a result of governmental policies, yes feds leaving guns in abandoned buildings. Chicago doesn't have a gun problem, it has a political problem.
Please, sir, I want some more.
Very well done.
everyone should be concerned about this. Its a good thing sci-fi has already covered this concept and people have wrote about how wrong it can go.
If a decreased police presence is desirable and police only exacerbate the problem, then the solution is not legislative.
What those people on Facetime are doing is called a straw purchase and it is already illegal. The staff at that Cabela's are just ignoring (or possibly ignorant of) the law.
Why do evil people think they’re good and righteous?
14:10 "siding earlier" Siding against the cops? I don't understand what this means.
what a good person, people like him give me hope for America
thank you
chicago.....not into this aspect of AI
folks and people need to work together
i have seen people get shot right in front of me....i have have thrown my son to the ground to avoid fire
thank you for all that you do
re: ua-cam.com/video/0nfVjdZlvWQ/v-deo.html - never ever apologize for this. We have to stop looking away. To anybody who makes the complaint that you're being too political or whatever, EVERY part of our lives is dominated by the policies we agree to live under together as a society. We have a shorter word for "the policies we agree to live under together as a society, and the processes we use as a society to come to those agreements" and that's 'politics'.
parasocial warning: my dude, I would really love to just hang out with you, because yeah. You're good people.
Guys, Watch Dogs is supposed to be a fiction...
EDIT: After watching the video, this is not a good joke to make. Left here for posterity.
very well made video, thank you for bringing more awareness to this situation
Well Benn, the solution isn't simple? Just ban guns to general public in the entire nation.
Didn’t see video yet but i can imagine how it will go
AI: in these areas there is lack of affordable education and health care, people lack support and walkable (nature-esk) infrastructure, noise and air pollution affects mental states at critical levels, and thus - listed locations are more crime prone.
Gov: got it, MORE POLICE PATROLS IN THOSE AREAS!
AI: may i suggest more permanent and humane solution to this problem?
Gov: no, MORE GUNS!
Awesome video, as someone from Europe, it's refreshing to see a broken-down view on a subject like this. All too often it's consolidated into little 3 word mantras that are nothing more than election marketing, click-bait or just stoking hate for increased "engagement".
Definitely not the sort of video I was expecting from this channel, but a refreshing one for sure. Keep up the awesome work Benn
I live in Germany, where in 2021, with a population of 83 million, there were a total of 257 murder victims (no idea how many gun victims, there was a total number of 114 completed or incompleted murder _attempts_ with guns ins 2021). In Canada, with 38 million inhabitants, there were 788 homicides … still less than the number of gun victims in Chicago with 2.6 million citizens. So MAYBE, just maybe, there's something utterly wrong with gun laws and fire arms availability in the US of A?
It's not the guns.
At the end I'd play one of your creations called Mysterious Wall taken from Nothing is real....!
Ps.
It's hard to believe that there are places on this planet Earth where for some reason things like that are somehow keep repeating over and over again...I'm sorry but I strongly believe that police does not care enough to change that......they think it's ok...who cares...they just come up on a screen to say how sorry they feel and they'll do everything to catch the ones responsible........how fucked up is that....blame the guns..blame the ones who have them and the minds corrupted by the Gun 'thing'.... sometimes I wonder why this place is just not turning in to a inhabited jungle...full of .....gun powder...
Wow, Benn, I am baffled as to why you don't get more views. I can only conclude that youtube thinks your content is too real, so it must suppress it! /s
To be clear, I really like your vids.
Hug
This is all exacerbated by the fact that the kind of data collection needed to track gun ownership and use is intentionally curtailed.
At best we have impartial data and educated guesses.
A lot of noise is made about how many guns are in the US. And there are by all accounts a whole lot of guns.
But based on available data. Most people don't even own one gun.
Last I looked into it. The average gun owner owns about 5 guns. It's difficult to get an idea of the spread as a lot of data isn't granular enough to look at individuals and at best looks at households. But from what is available, only around 40% of Americans own a firearm. Of that 40% the bulk own about 1 gun. Then about 20% own a freaking arsenal representing a whopping 80% of all civilian owned firearms in the country.
There are a metric ton of guns out there. But a tiny portion of the population seems to own the vast majority of them.
All of these children are dying to serve the weird fetish of a couple million people. A couple million sounds like a lot but this is a country of over 350 million. We're not even talking 10% here.
These people's obsession funds arms manufacturers who fund lobbying groups who make it so that doing literally anything about this epidemic is next to impossible. The trading and selling of their macabre collection results in the largely untracked private sales market where a lot of guns vanish and get used for who knows what.
All of the "responsible gun owners" out there don't get to absolve themselves of their complicity in this situation. Your weekend at the range is funding the paralysis which leads to more dead kids and dangerous neighborhoods too.
Crime predicting AI could help the groups trying to combat violence in their community. I think it should be made available in spite of the risks of misuse by cops etc. But it's only ever going to be a bandaid on a gunshot wound.
Much like how we know that thousands of firearms are coming from just a handful of locations. We also know the factors responsible for incentivizing crime and violence.
Speaking of cops, they sure do seem to prove ineffectual at anything other than filling their coffers and the coffers of cities through the over policing of poor people.
Might be interesting if we, say, shifted most of that budget towards groups like the one in the video and towards programs for training more people like them. Like, taking that police funding, and de-livering it to another organization with a better track record for affecting community change. Might need some sort of simple and catchy slogan which summarizes the idea a bit though.
Maybe if we did that de-livering thing, we wouldn't have to worry so much about cops using AI tools to further harass and criminalize minority groups.
Anyway, Benn, when you gun drop a sample pack of that .22 you just bought? Maybe try recording the echos in the barrel to make some sweet reverb tails? Just make sure the mic is bullet proof.
13:20 welp, there it is
Ai crime prediction is really fucking scary. It makes me think about captain america 2, where they wanted to eliminate everyone prone to violent crimes before they even comitted them just because they are prone to do them. Policing is getting out of control.
Dude, your content is insanely good. It’s a shame that these sorts of videos don’t get the attention they deserve. The range of content you make and the effort you put in is so apparent.
Again, really awesome work. I came for music production information and I stayed for dozens and dozens of videos because of you and your delivery.
Have a good day mate.
I do also appreciate people who put themselves out there on a wide variety of topics, it gives a personal twist on your work. It really helps people see your perspective
The list of names at the end was absolutely heartbreaking, I couldn't help picturing my own children and their peers as I read the ages. I can't imagine the fear and trauma that must run through communities in America facing gun violence. I'm so sorry you experienced it yourself as a child, and I'm sorry for anyone else who's experienced anything like it. No-one should have to live with that or die from it.
I'm from the UK myself and America's gun problems can often feel bizarre and hard to really comprehend, so I'm very grateful for your insight, clarity and humanity. Keep making videos Ben. Thank you.
Probably those rich people in nice neighborhoods with no police presence committing those hideous crimes
Hey Benn ! I hope you have a chance to read this since its a topic near and dear to my heart. For background I was have a degree in sociology with a concentration in crime and criminal justice system. Interesting enough Chicago specifically is a big topic of study in sociological circles in terms of crime thanks to Clifford R. Shaw and Henry D. McKay who collected 40ish years of crime data in Chicago. They came up with a theory of Social Disorganization. Over the 40 years of data consistently you could tell where crime would take place in Chicago by its geographical data. Very interesting study you should read if you have a chance. Long story short , these locations are all places that have historically been under funded, lack community resource, lack access to school and other basic resources. Over the 40 years the demographic of these places have changed but the crime levels continue to be high here.
Okay okay .. what is my point. My point is that these IA prediction of where crime will happen and when are kind of useless. Out side of providing data of where police can come and "Help" as you pointed out in your video doesn't solve much crime. The real solution is address why crime occurs. Why people are committing these crimes comes from a societal break down of providing resources, a history of racism in how we house and education people, and how we police different people. In my opinion these AI or crime prediction tools are dangerous in that way because it makes people thing well we know where crime will occur lets take care of it that way. What we should be doing is saying we know why crime occurs and we will be providing the resources and tooling to prevent it that way. The way where we actually make society better for all those involved.
I wanted to add one more point. I 100% agree with you about gun control and that it would make society so much better, but even that is still a bandaid in terms of addressing the real inequality and conditions creating the "need" of people to commit crime.
" Why people are committing these crimes comes from a societal break down of providing resources"
not to you, but to all police directors and crime scientists, I would say, ...duh.
people (even highly educated ones) seem to forget that 10 years is not enough to change generational impact.
as Ben suggested; Ai is not needed to prevent crime. (the scientists basically said it never was meant to)
it seems that instead of fixing the roof, police admin and the adjacent sectors want to sell more buckets. collecting data is like figuring out what size vs number of buckets to use to put under the leaks. looking at houses where the roof is broken, would help victims/prevent offenders much more, astronomically so.
People who have something to look forward to / something to lose, don't buy guns to commit crime.
@@brmbkl ya it’s really an easy point to wrap you head around. To fix that though it requires program to fix social and racial inequality and long term programs in communities. This is costly both financially and politically since it’s not a quick fix. Politicians campaign on tough on crime and use police statistics to campaign. They don’t care about long term fixes because it long term solutions and spending don’t get them re-elected and seeing problems solved 5-10 years down the line is hard to campaign on.
@@mastermachetier5594 a scary possible result of predictive policing (not identical but similar to the topic of this essay) ; ua-cam.com/video/Fd_YfwoVaEg/v-deo.html
Imagine how much crime could be reduced by universal access to food, shelter, and healthcare, all of which should be human rights!
yes, because murderers, criminals and r*pists always stop committing crime when they have x, y and z fulfilled! 🤢🤮🙄
that's why there's zero crime in communist countries, all throughout history! oh wait...
This.
Correct.
Wait, are you implying that by imposing suffering of not having essential needs be a certainty in life, people are desperate, afraid, and will resort to criminal, not to mention extremely dangerous means of securing that sense of security?
Preposterous!
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Has tbis been proven to stop crime at all? We tried buying homeless people their own homes and the result was junkies tearing the copper out of walls for drug money and squatting in the uninhabitable shell
Genuinely appreciate the thoughtful video about the AI and its limitations. However, the highly edited gun purchase bit was disingenuous to the actual hurdles to purchasing a gun. For him to realistically have had his thoughts on what gun to buy, process the federal checks, and finalize the sale all in under 7 minutes is very doubtful. Regardless the black on black crime and prejudiced policing is still an issue that plagues not just Chicago but many major cities.
Man you're such a cool guy. I'm just happy you exist right right now. Fuck yeah.
Edit: I've just reached the end of the video; I'm sorry if my tone seems a little weird with all of that. But my sentiment is one of love, no disrespect.
With this video you went from being my favorite synthesizer UA-camr to one of the more important people in the world because you are one of the only people having this discussion. What would a post police state look like? What would community policing look like? Nobody is having this discussion. Thank you for bringing this up. You're a bad ass.
maybe I'm just being naive but I don't really see how this crime predicting algorithm could be useful. most crime is in some way caused by poverty so the best way to reduce crime, at least right now, would be to take serious measures to reduce or even eliminate poverty. we don't really need to know where the crime is happening to solve it.
Benn I know me saying this doesn't do a great deal, but your channel deserves to have so much more reach. I've shared some of your videos with friends in the past since you make exceptional content, but this video needs to be seen by as many people as possible. Thanks for the reminder that apathy and nihilism towards productive change doesn't have to be the route we take. Keep up the great work.
I'm a PhD student researching algorithmic biases so seeing the title of this video gave me some apprehension. You did a great job with this, though. Funny that I started watching this channel for the Eurorack videos... those are great too but I'm incredibly glad you're branching out like this.
don't want to knock the entire field, especially since you're interested in systemic bias, but I feel a.i. will be just another tool to perpetuate problems inherent in policing that exist today. Crime statistics supposedly proving that certain people commit crime disproportionaly (Confirmation bias; you find crime where you are looking for it) only now ramped up and justified by science/algorhitms leading to even less personal accountability.
ua-cam.com/video/Fd_YfwoVaEg/v-deo.html
You should maybe move to the hood and then cry about biases… I’ve lived in both the hood and now in a rich suburb and I can tell you this, the hood is where the crime is and it’s not even close. You people live in your ivory towers and act like you want to actually solve shit, but you don’t, you just want to score some points instead of actually solving an issue. Oh and this woman is by far the minority of wanting less police, and the gun violence is because of a broken culture and ivory tower elitists who would rather look like they care. Move to the hood, move to the SS of Chicago and tell me it’s the cops that are the problem
thanks so much, benn! important content!
Please do not ban me but you did get some points wrong. For example, the reason he did not buy a hand gun was because it is illegal to buy a hand gun in Indiana if you live in Chicago unless you have a foid card then you will need to have a licensed arms dealers bring the gun to Chicago . The reason it is legal to buy a hunting rifle is because a lot of people come from out of state to hunt so they have different laws. I feel like he definitely had to talk to cabella’s staff found this out then was very misleading about why he bought a rifle. Like he is doing a video on this. How would this not be brought up?
Plus, it is illegal to take a guns into Illinois unless you are a arms dealer. Guns can only be legally brought in by shipping them through a licensed armed dealer.
Also, it was said you could go to the suburbs and just buy a gun. That is not true. You can only buy a gun if you have a foid card in the whole state of Illinois(which requires a background check and a long application process)
Also gun homicides in Chicago in 2021 was not 854. Your number might be including suicides or all homicides.
This is legitimate criticism so please do not ban me.
I know this because I live in Chicago.
This. I posted a comment like this previously. The ATF and the 1968 Gun Control Act stated exactly what you mentioned. I was wondering how he had trouble finding this out regarding federal gun control laws because this was actually pretty easy to find on my own. Him not buying a handgun in Indiana and instead a rifle was odd too, along with his reasoning. If he was worried about a handgun he thought about buying ending up in the streets in Chicago, that implies a lack of care with regards to him owning guns, especially considering he bought a rifle.
So, firstly, you are accusing me of lying. I recorded my interactions and entire transaction at Cabela's, however it isn't entirely safe (legally) to post it on UA-cam without a waiver being signed by Cabela's, which they declined to sign.
The answer I got from the dealer was "depending on the handgun". A 22LR revolver was approved. It's still unclear to me which handguns aren't allowed, but according to the floor employee, they just check the UPC and it tells them whether an out of state purchaser can buy it or not. If you don't believe me, go there yourself.
Finally, if you look at the 2017 gun trace report, there's a massive gun mule problem. So this doesn't seem to matter much anyway, hence why these groups have fought so hard to simply make a "gun a month" limit that virtually anyone who isn't muling would not be affected by.
Just to clear this up.
@@BennJordan I can go to Gary this weekend and see what I am told. Also it says it is illegal on the Indiana state police website. It is easy to find if you google it. You can purchase the gun in IN with a foid card then the gun need to be shipped in by an arm dealers.
You should have mentioned the fact that it is illegal to bring a gun into the state of Illinois if you are not a licensed arm dealer. You make it seem like your scheme is legal. Whether people are doing it or not it would important to mention it is illegal. Just leaving that out is suspicious.
Please do not ban me. Lol I actually still want to watch your channel.
@@brad.ritzel Yeah, apparently trolls have "reported me to the FBI and ATF" 🙄. I didn't actually bring a firearm back into Illinois, however. I went through IN on my way back to GA.
I don't really know what to tell ya, lol. Had I not been able to buy that handgun in particular, I would have not said it. The gun trace reports tell the whole story anyway, I was just genuinely curious because these laws are constantly changing and virtually everyone on the internet is full of bs 🤣
@@BennJordan I appreciate your response. Thanks you for the dialogue with a detractor. I have emailed the Indiana state police for clarification and I will provide an update if I was incorrect. But I am very sure I am correct. It might have been legal since you live in GA not IL.
Either way it seems like you understand it would have been illegal to bring it back to Illinois and you refused to mention that.
If you took that rifle to Illinois that is very very illegal. As far as going back to Georgia you should be okay. I think it would legal in every state on the way. Anyone who reported your I wrong, from my understanding.
Once again, you’ve given us a nuanced window into a complex topic. Like another commenter, I first came to your channel for the eurorack vids and have gotten so much more. Thank you, Benn.
The only people in the video I have anything bad to say about is those cops that stole money.
But I feel like you'd agree with me.
Thank you so, so very much for this. As a young girl my entire young life was defined by violence, and it felt like music was my only personal escape. You've done a lot of good for a lot of people on quite a few occasions, but especially today.