Jugurtha and Macrinus portrayed as black men (which they aren't) but i guess having the great Denzel washington as one of the main characters, it's somehow an acceptable inaccuracy ... then also during the first scenes of the movie we clearly hear an old Numidian man speaking in Arabic (WTF) 😔
When I first saw the credits showing Caracalla and Geta as caucasians with red hair,I thought WTF! They were of African descent and the bust of a Caracalla clearly shows his African features.A cameo of his father Septimius Severus shows him as black. BUT,this is a Ridley Scott film so even the pretence of some level of historical accuracy isn't to be expected.
Here's the thing - we have a (very rare) contemporary painting of Severus, Caracalla and is mother (who was Arab). The depiction of Serverus seems pretty accurate for a Berber living in North Africa but Caracalla is extremely pale compared to both his mother and father: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severan_Tondo
This is an interesting comparison of scenes from the film with historical accounts/sources. Additionally, Professor Neel apparently also nresearched the making of the film to understand some of the cinematic choices, which is commendable. However, her comments regarding the use of the Testudo at 6:17 make me wonder if she's actually watched the film! To anyone who has, it's obvious that they're using their shields to keep Commodus and Maximus hidden from view as they rise into the arena, so they can then be theatrically revealed to the crowd. Her criticism that they're using a military maneuver incorrectly is absurd.
Her association of Russell Crowe's Gladiator character identifying as a farmer with "white southern identity" (presumably the Southern US" is as about anachronistic and irrelevant as it gets. The association in the movie and the book upon which it was based is the "farmer/soldier" trope of ancient Roman military heroism, refering to an idealised type that Romans would very much have appreciated well into the Imperial era, despite farmer soliders being a thing of the past as early as the military reforms of Marius in the 2nd C BCE.
Damn professor… get lost in your words. You have a beautiful way with words. I could listen to you all day. And the “kickass” air quotes was cute 😊 Thank you for making this video.
Movies are not historical documentaries. They should be seen for what they are. When I watch documentaries, I am looking for information and knowledge, when watching movies, I am looking for entertainment.
It’s very curious to see how some folks of a lighter complexion (and system of reality) in the comments are telling on themselves by reinforcing the same white masculine identities and anxieties Dr. Neel alludes to 👀
There also weren't any black or brown emperors. Just because they were born in Africa or Syria doesn't make them "people of color" is she serious 🤣 🤦♂️
You prove it. Prove your woke revisionist history. They're busts and mosaics that exist of this actual historical figure who eventually went on to become Roman emperor for a single year before he was assassinated. @bullet
As for the idea that Rome from "its first days" depended on slave labour - there was not even a specialist slave market in the Rome till the Punic Wars.
She was Macedonian decendended from one of Alexander's generals as was all the royal family of the period. Absolutely nothing historically suggests she was of mixed race. @Bullet
Bingo, there were no high-ranking senators or officials who were black either. The historic character that Denzel Washington plays in the movie would have been more Middle Eastern in appearance. Based on the busts and mosaics of the actual person. This lady is off her rocker.
Septimius Severus, Geta and Caracalla's father and Emperor, was of Italian descent as was his wife. He just happened to have been born in a northen Africa Roman province. The woke mob decided he was black because there is a mosaic of him, his wife and Caracalla where is skin is dark like he has been out in the sun. Totally Caucasian features.
Have you ever seen the family portrait of Septimius Severus, Geta, Caracalla, and Julia you see the difference. Even the marble statues. Tight curly hair say that at the least they we're mixed race. African and European. Open your mind. Think outside the box sometimes.
I was hoping for a non woke analysis. I have been to northern Africa on numerous occasions from Morocco, to Lybia to Tunisia and Egypt. They are not BLACK. that is sub saharanpur Africa. Also the higher up the social class, the paler the people tend to be. In Roman times, the rulers of northern Africa were of Roman descent. DUH or Greek or Macedonian or Thracian, Illurian there were also for centuries Visigoth or Vandal rulers, who were white, not colored or brown. What a noncece professor. She should know this.
People in higher socio-economic social classes worldwide practice marriage and keep track of who the fathers of children are. This results in a population of less inbred children unlike lower classes who are more likely to engage in tribalistic social and sexual practices. Hence upper classes are lighter skinned. It’s something most people know but its not cool to say so because it doesn’t serve the ruling elites who want to keep the lower classes right where they are by encouraging sexual practices that destroy the culture and gene pool of the lower classes.
Yes I was hoping for the same. Unfortunately the Departments of History and Archaeology at Universities fell to the Woke cult decades ago. I'm surprised she didn't bang on about Mis-gendering some of the characters.
Do you realize there are many Greeks has dark skin, dont you? Plus, many Europeans living in north Africa would have had tanned skin since they are living for generations in that hot and dry region
Jaclyn Neel we need more of you! PLEASE MAKE MORE MOVIE REVIEWS! Or anything honestly.
Thanks, great information!
The most accurate thing about this movie is the depravity of human beings, and how we make entertainment out of depravity and lowliness.
Now that is an accurate statement.. 😂. Just joking around but I agree with you. Unfortunately part of human nature.
That teacher is good.
Very enjoyable. Greetings from Toronto.
Jugurtha and Macrinus portrayed as black men (which they aren't) but i guess having the great Denzel washington as one of the main characters, it's somehow an acceptable inaccuracy ... then also during the first scenes of the movie we clearly hear an old Numidian man speaking in Arabic (WTF) 😔
When I first saw the credits showing Caracalla and Geta as caucasians with red hair,I thought WTF!
They were of African descent and the bust of a Caracalla clearly shows his African features.A cameo of his father Septimius Severus shows him as black.
BUT,this is a Ridley Scott film so even the pretence of some level of historical accuracy isn't to be expected.
Here's the thing - we have a (very rare) contemporary painting of Severus, Caracalla and is mother (who was Arab). The depiction of Serverus seems pretty accurate for a Berber living in North Africa but Caracalla is extremely pale compared to both his mother and father: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severan_Tondo
@@floydtronRoman descendents
This is an interesting comparison of scenes from the film with historical accounts/sources.
Additionally, Professor Neel apparently also nresearched the making of the film to understand some of the cinematic choices, which is commendable.
However, her comments regarding the use of the Testudo at 6:17 make me wonder if she's actually watched the film!
To anyone who has, it's obvious that they're using their shields to keep Commodus and Maximus hidden from view as they rise into the arena, so they can then be theatrically revealed to the crowd.
Her criticism that they're using a military maneuver incorrectly is absurd.
Her association of Russell Crowe's Gladiator character identifying as a farmer with "white southern identity" (presumably the Southern US" is as about anachronistic and irrelevant as it gets. The association in the movie and the book upon which it was based is the "farmer/soldier" trope of ancient Roman military heroism, refering to an idealised type that Romans would very much have appreciated well into the Imperial era, despite farmer soliders being a thing of the past as early as the military reforms of Marius in the 2nd C BCE.
Just got back from watching the second film, it is wonderfully silly!
And you wasted your money on it, then rushed back to youtube to haughtily complain about it. yOu ShOwEd ThEm! 🙄
Damn professor… get lost in your words. You have a beautiful way with words. I could listen to you all day. And the “kickass” air quotes was cute 😊
Thank you for making this video.
Sorry, did I miss the part where you reacted to Gladiator 2 or was that short intro it?
Reviewed by someone who knows the topic.
Aperently not
Loved this - interesting and educational! More professor reacts pls :)
We are so glad you enjoyed it! More reactions are coming soon!
Movies are not historical documentaries. They should be seen for what they are. When I watch documentaries, I am looking for information and knowledge, when watching movies, I am looking for entertainment.
Professor do a
It’s very curious to see how some folks of a lighter complexion (and system of reality) in the comments are telling on themselves by reinforcing the same white masculine identities and anxieties Dr. Neel alludes to 👀
No there were not "multiple slaves for every free person" in the Roman Empire - even in Italy slaves were a minority.
There also weren't any black or brown emperors. Just because they were born in Africa or Syria doesn't make them "people of color" is she serious 🤣 🤦♂️
There also weren't any black or brown emperors either. She can't be serious 🤦♂️
@@ChrisWolf75prove it
You prove it. Prove your woke revisionist history. They're busts and mosaics that exist of this actual historical figure who eventually went on to become Roman emperor for a single year before he was assassinated. @bullet
@@ChrisWolf75 Remember to modern academics "equity" or "social justice" is what matters - not truth. They lie as a matter of policy.
As for the idea that Rome from "its first days" depended on slave labour - there was not even a specialist slave market in the Rome till the Punic Wars.
Syrians aren’t brown and neither are North Africans. They’re tan
Just because some roman nobility were born in Africa doesn't mean they were black or brown African. This is as bad as that Cleopatra nonsense.
@@ChrisWolf75cleopatra is white and probably had a tan. North African are mixed with black and Greek or Macedonian you can’t prove she is wrong
She was Macedonian decendended from one of Alexander's generals as was all the royal family of the period. Absolutely nothing historically suggests she was of mixed race. @Bullet
Lmao OK lady 😂🤣. Atleast I know where not to send my kids for college
She can't be serious 🤦♂️
Can you prove her wrong?
Berbers are going no be annoyed by this. The America obsession with modern racial definition superimposed on the past is mystifying.
Not one emperor of rome was black just like the zulus had no white leaders
Bingo, there were no high-ranking senators or officials who were black either. The historic character that Denzel Washington plays in the movie would have been more Middle Eastern in appearance. Based on the busts and mosaics of the actual person. This lady is off her rocker.
State your source that refutes her source.
@@ChrisWolf75state your source
@bullet, my source is in my comment. You state why you believe differently? Or is this based on modern revisionist "woke" history.
Wasn't Caracalla's dad dark skinned
Septimius Severus, Geta and Caracalla's father and Emperor, was of Italian descent as was his wife. He just happened to have been born in a northen Africa Roman province. The woke mob decided he was black because there is a mosaic of him, his wife and Caracalla where is skin is dark like he has been out in the sun. Totally Caucasian features.
Out of all the inaccuracies, lets focus on one. White folks are the woke ones now. 🤪 Crazy how things work an times change
Have you ever seen the family portrait of Septimius Severus, Geta, Caracalla, and Julia you see the difference. Even the marble statues. Tight curly hair say that at the least they we're mixed race. African and European. Open your mind. Think outside the box sometimes.
Yeah then how should they be portrayed
I was hoping for a non woke analysis. I have been to northern Africa on numerous occasions from Morocco, to Lybia to Tunisia and Egypt. They are not BLACK. that is sub saharanpur Africa. Also the higher up the social class, the paler the people tend to be. In Roman times, the rulers of northern Africa were of Roman descent. DUH or Greek or Macedonian or Thracian, Illurian there were also for centuries Visigoth or Vandal rulers, who were white, not colored or brown. What a noncece professor. She should know this.
Emphasis on the higher social status and lighter complexion link
People in higher socio-economic social classes worldwide practice marriage and keep track of who the fathers of children are.
This results in a population of less inbred children unlike lower classes who are more likely to engage in tribalistic social and sexual practices.
Hence upper classes are lighter skinned. It’s something most people know but its not cool to say so because it doesn’t serve the ruling elites who want to keep the lower classes right where they are by encouraging sexual practices that destroy the culture and gene pool of the lower classes.
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Yes I was hoping for the same. Unfortunately the Departments of History and Archaeology at Universities fell to the Woke cult decades ago. I'm surprised she didn't bang on about Mis-gendering some of the characters.
Do you realize there are many Greeks has dark skin, dont you? Plus, many Europeans living in north Africa would have had tanned skin since they are living for generations in that hot and dry region
Why is she using Chucky's voice😂
Hey look a groid that can type! More tricks pls!