It’s tricky to compare Ten Hag and Arteta. One thing Arteta did that a lot of fans didn’t understand until much later is he presented a clear, detailed, end to end plan with phases on how he wanted to get Arsenal back to competing at a high level. You can tell when he got full buy in because in mid September 2020 he was promoted to manager. Arteta working with Edu have touched every department in the organization. So when you want to give Ten Hag time, which is a perfectly valid opinion, ask if his ideas are just squad level, like what players he would like next, or has he talked about changes he wants to make in the organization.
That’s the major issue with him. Look at Emory, Ange, Arteta, basically any decent manager instills their style of play even if it means taking Ls but it show that there is a future if backed. Sadly ETH got buried under the pressure.
He actually has tried to, the problem is that most of the players can't actually play that way and have downed tools. It hasn't helped that his style is heavily reliant on a backline that is good on the ball and can join the high press, and United's backline has been absolutely decimated all year. You're all far too eager for instant success, this was always going to be a multi year project, this season being too injury riddled to properly assess. ETH needs his 3rd season, to flush out some of the bad apples, get some shrewd signings in with the help of a sporting director, and kick on.
@@ShutThePuck lmao. Trying for 1 game does not mean you tried to implement a style of play. Like you said its a multi year project and he chose to go for instant success, which is going to be his downfall. And for the injuries that require certain personal their are many managers that still stuck to their plan (Howe, DeZerbi, Ange, Klopp). They all lost due to that but chose to keep playing their style. Also majority of the players are his players or chose to persist with. Overall man he is just awful at United. Its over.
These man came correct, mad respect to Turkish and the other geezer, logical and informed opinions based on an accurate recollection of the facts. Well played
It's a United team has no CBs and proper LB. They just got demolished by crystal palace and struggled against teams like coventry and burnley. Flex has a point this time.
Dummies no deflection worst manutd team in the premier league era facts best ass-nal team in the last 10 years you must beat us no doubt, but facts if you don't, you mass-nal must hold it
Arsenal are brilliant at cutting back the pass from the wing in to the box for runners and United are famous for always getting caught out by this play…this drubbing really could be final nail for Ten Hag.
You have real madrid standards with 2018 leicester CB pairing of Maguire and Evans, no LB for most of the season. You think you can compete with the big boys? 😂😂😂
As a inter miami fan, i feel if messi doesn’t score this game then we are doomed. The end is coming near i’ve said it enough. So if messi don’t score , oh lord we are f*cked. i know it’s a miracle and it may not happen, besides the point man utd make me want to feel the pain in full satisfaction.
@DaveElcock that's a nonsense statement. Does every team suffer 64 individual injuries??? Make sense. We're not talking about a few injuries. Also to say the team has got to look at itself means what exactly? This could just simply be unfortunate and pure bad luck. You do not have any extra information to think otherwise. Eth was here last year, and we didn't have them 20% the amount of injuries, so all that you're spewing is just speculation with no evidence.
@@adamismael1119 it 's ten hags' fault for playing the same team and training too hard, you have to manage your players not burn them out then say look at all these injurues, it's on him stop with the mediocrity fella, as soon as ten hag did preseason that was the beginning of his downfall, wolves ran thru our vacated midfield in the first game of the season whilst man utd players looked flat , remember?
If you look at Uniteds last 4 seasons 3rd, 2nd, 6th, 3rd Uniteds 3rd wasnt because they magically got it, they played alright. near invincible at old trafford. Most clean sheets in the league. United didnt have a striker the Weghorst problem. Then United got to BOTH domestic finals, and again FA Cup final back to back seasons
Trajectory? In other words, graph. Man United under Sir Alex Ferguson won titles but also finished third. That means Man United was regressing? Arsenal’s lucky that United, Chelsea and unfortunately Liverpool as well have not had anywhere near as good seasons with United facing the worst ever set backs in terms of injuries/illness and lack of stability, similar issue also for Chelsea and Liverpool maybe getting too carried away with Klopp’s announcement. Turkish has simply forgotten that from 2003-2013, United, Liverpool and Chelsea were thoroughly competing while Arsenal was managing to just take the 4th spot. Does that mean Arsene Wenger was a bad manager? It’s just a matter of time before these clubs start figuring things out. It will be interesting to see how Pep and his apprentice are going to fare in those conditions. In fact, I won’t discount Tottenham as well if they manage to get their setup right against set-pieces.
Arteta turned it around by finding players who play for him. Lets not forget three years back he had a CB partnership of Holding, Luiz. Maitland Niles, Ceballos, El Neny in midfield. Pepe in the wing. Fans wanted him out. Its the ownership that stabilized everything by trusting the process and getting him the players he wanted. United fans are Ten Hag out now. It's upto the ownership to trust the manager and turn it around.
I love United View and the work they put in. It’s just a shame the era has ended. United has ruined fan interaction and fan channel viewership. 😢 in a years time it will all be over and everyone will more on to tv but Man United killed us fans
The problem I see is that IMHO the number of injuries is ultimately self- induced. I genuinely think there is a significant correlation between this and the often cited "overachieving" of ETH last season. Did ETH last season have the squad and the depth to go deep into all four competitions? No. He got there by next to never rotating. And he did so although he must have been fully aware of the toll MUFC's pre-season tour would take. That's why I have reservations about him being a good manager. Even a half- decent manager would have set priorities and rested his best players in at least one of them, even if playing reserve/ youth players might have seen them crash out early.
@@TheDreamchaser2016 you said" especially to their backline" Newcsstle had their whole backline out and battered burnley and sheffield , stop shifting the goal post fella , and they are ahead of us right now.
Show me where and how Ten hag dismissed Ralf's opinion. A new manager just came in and you expect him to just take old managers word for it? What he can do is, give the players a chance which he did...at least now he knows who to trust and who not to trust. That is why it is important for Erik to get that 3rd season. Erik dhowed us alot of things last season cos we're having a lot of issues right now, everyone's losing their heads. Patience man P.s. I don't care about what Arteta did and I don't care wbo wins the league as long as we disrupt Arsenals charge I'm fine
If we play our game, we should sacrifice these lot. However, if play the ocassion, get intimidated by OT, then it'll be a tight game, 2-1 prolly. I'll still favor arsenal, in the latter case as well.
How dare other fans critique our team especially Arse fans!!! ETH HAD A FANTASTIC SEASON LAST YEAR, SO HE DESERVES TIME, ARE YOU ALL THICK !!!! WE HAVE HAD OVER 65 SEPERATE INJURIES, WITH A BACKLINE THAT HAS BEEN DECIMATED FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON!!! STOP WITH THE HATE, AND SUPPORT YOUR CLUB AND ANYONE SAYING ETH YOU ARE NOT, I REPEAT NOT A FAN OF MAN UTD SO GET OUT OF MY CLUB!!!! TRUE SUPPORTERS, SUPPORT THE TEAM!! ETH IN ALWAYS!!!! GGMU
It is going to be a massacre. Will not watch it. Arsenal winning 7 - 0. Ten Hag will say after the match, 'We played well except conceding the goals. We created lot of chances but could not score. A dynamic performance. We are improving all the time.'
I have to laught these Assnal Fans wanted ARTETA out now he's supposedly the best Assna manager ever Assnal Are Shit End and the main man on United View is a Assnal Fan i just dont get you guys the world has gone Nuts.
The entitlement Cecil and him talk with..... we are relegation poor but their opinion talking like they have been winning trophies for years...Honestly, we know our problem. These players need to go. The manager can go too but the players need to go first because they have had more chances to prove themselves than 10 hag.
What is this talk about the big 6? All I see now is the big 4, 5th is good, 6th place you tried. 7th place and below is the struggle squad. 5th and 6th place is only important when the English teams win the Champions League, Europa League or the domestic cups. Top 4 is where it’s at now, teams that you think are little are now on board for 5th and 6th.
Turkish sayin teams fell off that’s why United got 3rd so does that mean that’s why you got second last season, teams are falling off even Chelsea aren’t there anymore so arsenal ain’t special they just took someone spot when they dropped off 👀
Arteta isn’t even on ten Haags level one trophy in how many years the arsenal coach has two 8th place finishes three outside of top four with some good batterings from city and them teams too so don’t chat shit all of y’all were just like the United fan base now cussing him guess what y’all club has changed and y’all still ain’t winning one skunt just meeting quarters in champions league and shit ole did that too so what is the big deal stop chatting shit 0 trophies for y’all skunt again this year parade with that
Nahhhhhh Turkish was better staying quiet. Klopp would have those titles not Arsenal. Gahhhhh dang Arsenal fans bro. Ancoloti went to Everton and had them competing soon as he left they dropped. Ancoloti would probably have a title with Everton before Arteta gets one with Arsenal.
It’s tricky to compare Ten Hag and Arteta. One thing Arteta did that a lot of fans didn’t understand until much later is he presented a clear, detailed, end to end plan with phases on how he wanted to get Arsenal back to competing at a high level. You can tell when he got full buy in because in mid September 2020 he was promoted to manager. Arteta working with Edu have touched every department in the organization. So when you want to give Ten Hag time, which is a perfectly valid opinion, ask if his ideas are just squad level, like what players he would like next, or has he talked about changes he wants to make in the organization.
Why do they always skip over the fact that Ten Hag has not instilled any style of play in the team in 2 full seasons? That's stackable.
That’s the major issue with him. Look at Emory, Ange, Arteta, basically any decent manager instills their style of play even if it means taking Ls but it show that there is a future if backed. Sadly ETH got buried under the pressure.
@@KimmichFclike you could just look at Crystal Palace and how the manager just adapted the team to play in a different style straight away
He actually has tried to, the problem is that most of the players can't actually play that way and have downed tools. It hasn't helped that his style is heavily reliant on a backline that is good on the ball and can join the high press, and United's backline has been absolutely decimated all year. You're all far too eager for instant success, this was always going to be a multi year project, this season being too injury riddled to properly assess. ETH needs his 3rd season, to flush out some of the bad apples, get some shrewd signings in with the help of a sporting director, and kick on.
@@ShutThePuck lmao. Trying for 1 game does not mean you tried to implement a style of play. Like you said its a multi year project and he chose to go for instant success, which is going to be his downfall. And for the injuries that require certain personal their are many managers that still stuck to their plan (Howe, DeZerbi, Ange, Klopp). They all lost due to that but chose to keep playing their style. Also majority of the players are his players or chose to persist with. Overall man he is just awful at United. Its over.
Injuries
37:30 - Bro the questions are so obscure. But I do like Dylan being on United View as he balances out the crackheads at United View HQ.
These man came correct, mad respect to Turkish and the other geezer, logical and informed opinions based on an accurate recollection of the facts. Well played
Respect for Turkish??? His take on Ancelotti was foolish and ignorant!!
I hate when ppl compare Arteta with other managers, THIS IS THE MANS FIRST JOB! Everyone keeps forgetting this! He has never managed before ppl
Being assistant to one the highest rated managers of all time, is not a job?
@@thrilla72 even if you take that as a "manager" job, then it's his second job.
Xabi Alonso ? lol,Back ur manager wha gwan with these Arsenal people,this is why i want Man City to win the league YNWA
@@lifeisblessed4802 Pray that city win because if they don't we are putting arteta over klopp 😂😂😂
@@calebkipkemboi528 Calm down,Klopp has won the UCL and every other trophy barring the Europa,stay in ur lane lol YNWA
Big up to the UV Crew, Turkish and Cecil, Top Show.
FINALLY someone provides context for the 3rd place finish
Flex loves to deflect pressure away from United whenever they play one of the bigger teams.
Every season "if you don't beat this united team"
It's a United team has no CBs and proper LB. They just got demolished by crystal palace and struggled against teams like coventry and burnley. Flex has a point this time.
Were gonna clart dese ars3nal man im telinnn yoooouuuuu
United is under pressure all the time mate
Every fixture😂 deep in mud
Dummies no deflection worst manutd team in the premier league era facts best ass-nal team in the last 10 years you must beat us no doubt, but facts if you don't, you mass-nal must hold it
The way he worded the questions was quite disorientating lol
Arsenal are brilliant at cutting back the pass from the wing in to the box for runners and United are famous for always getting caught out by this play…this drubbing really could be final nail for Ten Hag.
That space in midfield also. Odegaard should feast
Deluded fans still backing our worse manager. Our fanbase has pathetic standards 🙏🏾
You have real madrid standards with 2018 leicester CB pairing of Maguire and Evans, no LB for most of the season. You think you can compete with the big boys? 😂😂😂
United been decimated with injuries people forget why cas has to play cb
@@115ffpandthephantomtrebleNo excuses! You are in a final. It was good enough to get u there😂
@@blakegoold6943 I’m a gooner 🤦♂️
@@115ffpandthephantomtreble I’m a city fan! You still bottled the league 😆
As a liverpool fan, I do love me some flex. He's a great fan. Dishes great banter, (hurts some times), but also can hold it.
Big up flex
As a inter miami fan, i feel if messi doesn’t score this game then we are doomed. The end is coming near i’ve said it enough. So if messi don’t score , oh lord we are f*cked.
i know it’s a miracle and it may not happen, besides the point man utd make me want to feel the pain in full satisfaction.
THe big difference is Arteta never really regressed, if we would have finished 8th 4th and then 8th he wouldn't still be our coach
Yes, but mikel also didn't have 63 individual injuries. Just saying.
@@adamismael1119 That is true but one have to ask, how many injuries does it take before ppl stop sayin bad luck and question the managers process
@adamisma every team gets injuries however if a team suffers consistent injuries then the manager and training staff got to look in the mirror.el1119
@DaveElcock that's a nonsense statement. Does every team suffer 64 individual injuries??? Make sense. We're not talking about a few injuries.
Also to say the team has got to look at itself means what exactly? This could just simply be unfortunate and pure bad luck. You do not have any extra information to think otherwise. Eth was here last year, and we didn't have them 20% the amount of injuries, so all that you're spewing is just speculation with no evidence.
@@adamismael1119 it 's ten hags' fault for playing the same team and training too hard, you have to manage your players not burn them out then say look at all these injurues, it's on him stop with the mediocrity fella, as soon as ten hag did preseason that was the beginning of his downfall, wolves ran thru our vacated midfield in the first game of the season whilst man utd players looked flat , remember?
Arsenal after bottling champions league still saying arteta best manager in the league
Omg arsenal fans man. These two once went for arteta's head now they dnt want arteta to be compared with any other managers.😂😂😂
"It's not gonna be like that" Tshirts ordered 😜
Turkish, if there was no Pep then Klopp would be the best manager in the league not Arteta.
If you look at Uniteds last 4 seasons
3rd, 2nd, 6th, 3rd
Uniteds 3rd wasnt because they magically got it, they played alright. near invincible at old trafford. Most clean sheets in the league. United didnt have a striker the Weghorst problem.
Then United got to BOTH domestic finals, and again FA Cup final back to back seasons
Trajectory? In other words, graph. Man United under Sir Alex Ferguson won titles but also finished third. That means Man United was regressing? Arsenal’s lucky that United, Chelsea and unfortunately Liverpool as well have not had anywhere near as good seasons with United facing the worst ever set backs in terms of injuries/illness and lack of stability, similar issue also for Chelsea and Liverpool maybe getting too carried away with Klopp’s announcement. Turkish has simply forgotten that from 2003-2013, United, Liverpool and Chelsea were thoroughly competing while Arsenal was managing to just take the 4th spot. Does that mean Arsene Wenger was a bad manager? It’s just a matter of time before these clubs start figuring things out. It will be interesting to see how Pep and his apprentice are going to fare in those conditions. In fact, I won’t discount Tottenham as well if they manage to get their setup right against set-pieces.
Careful ! This may not age so well.
😂 Football is a Humber
I will take a 5-1 loss. i fear its going to be a lot worse
Flex's kicks always cold, I'm seeing a green theme
Arteta turned it around by finding players who play for him. Lets not forget three years back he had a CB partnership of Holding, Luiz. Maitland Niles, Ceballos, El Neny in midfield. Pepe in the wing. Fans wanted him out. Its the ownership that stabilized everything by trusting the process and getting him the players he wanted. United fans are Ten Hag out now. It's upto the ownership to trust the manager and turn it around.
100% mate. I couldn't agree with your statement more
Sporting Lisbon manager Ruben Amorim and former Chelsea and Brighton boss Graham Potter are also in contention to replace Ten Hag
gotta say, it's pretty brave for flex to say we won't concede 5 after our last game bro with cass and evans at the back lol but let's hope still.
Manchester United are frontrunners to sign Crystal Palace and France Under-21s midfielder Michael Olise
If man united loses to arsenal I will sub to United view. Notification on too
You know what fine go ahead give Ten Hag a contract extension and more time lets see how far he will take you guys
Can see Flex flip flopping,he will probably be Ten Hag in by Sunday the way this started
Take out Pep and Arteta would be managing Everton
Wasn't Turkish Arteta out? 😂😂😂. How can this man be taken seriously?
Yes he was
I love United View and the work they put in. It’s just a shame the era has ended. United has ruined fan interaction and fan channel viewership. 😢 in a years time it will all be over and everyone will more on to tv but Man United killed us fans
Give me one example of a team with a below par squad doing even half decent with these many injuries, especially to their back line. Just 1
The problem I see is that IMHO the number of injuries is ultimately self- induced. I genuinely think there is a significant correlation between this and the often cited "overachieving" of ETH last season. Did ETH last season have the squad and the depth to go deep into all four competitions? No. He got there by next to never rotating. And he did so although he must have been fully aware of the toll MUFC's pre-season tour would take.
That's why I have reservations about him being a good manager. Even a half- decent manager would have set priorities and rested his best players in at least one of them, even if playing reserve/ youth players might have seen them crash out early.
Newcastle.
@DaveElcock They didn't have as many injuries but they are still nowhere near top 4
@@TheDreamchaser2016 you said" especially to their backline" Newcsstle had their whole backline out and battered burnley and sheffield , stop shifting the goal post fella , and they are ahead of us right now.
Show me where and how Ten hag dismissed Ralf's opinion. A new manager just came in and you expect him to just take old managers word for it?
What he can do is, give the players a chance which he did...at least now he knows who to trust and who not to trust. That is why it is important for Erik to get that 3rd season.
Erik dhowed us alot of things last season cos we're having a lot of issues right now, everyone's losing their heads.
Patience man
P.s. I don't care about what Arteta did and I don't care wbo wins the league as long as we disrupt Arsenals charge I'm fine
If we play our game, we should sacrifice these lot. However, if play the ocassion, get intimidated by OT, then it'll be a tight game, 2-1 prolly. I'll still favor arsenal, in the latter case as well.
You can see in cecils Face he feeling ashamed of some Takes of Turkish💀
Arteta would not win 2 PL if Pep wasent there, another manager would win With city anyway
I wanted arsenal to win the league but after watching this I’ve changed my mind. The arsenal fans are just unbearable.
How dare other fans critique our team especially Arse fans!!! ETH HAD A FANTASTIC SEASON LAST YEAR, SO HE DESERVES TIME, ARE YOU ALL THICK !!!! WE HAVE HAD OVER 65 SEPERATE INJURIES, WITH A BACKLINE THAT HAS BEEN DECIMATED FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON!!! STOP WITH THE HATE, AND SUPPORT YOUR CLUB AND ANYONE SAYING ETH YOU ARE NOT, I REPEAT NOT A FAN OF MAN UTD SO GET OUT OF MY CLUB!!!! TRUE SUPPORTERS, SUPPORT THE TEAM!! ETH IN ALWAYS!!!! GGMU
he won a cup in his first yr..did arteta?
Ten hag to Stay
5 year deal ❤ ten hag in
It is going to be a massacre. Will not watch it. Arsenal winning 7 - 0. Ten Hag will say after the match, 'We played well except conceding the goals. We created lot of chances but could not score. A dynamic performance. We are improving all the time.'
I have to laught these Assnal Fans wanted ARTETA out now he's supposedly the best Assna manager ever Assnal Are Shit End and the main man on United View is a Assnal Fan i just dont get you guys the world has gone Nuts.
A classic 0-0
NO😂 city fan
Partey and Rice vs Mainoo & Erikson/ Casemiro is an absolute mismatch
Turkish clearly doesn't understand what "dime a dozen" means...
It's funny, flex is the biggest devils advocate. Very different with rival fans than he is on with united fans
I'm not underestimating United, I have more bad memories at OT than good ones in my lifetime.
The entitlement Cecil and him talk with..... we are relegation poor but their opinion talking like they have been winning trophies for years...Honestly, we know our problem. These players need to go. The manager can go too but the players need to go first because they have had more chances to prove themselves than 10 hag.
Arsenal haven’t scored 5 goals against us at Old Trafford it will not happen
United will get a draw then lets we will watch aftv
They better win as everyone expects them to. Otherwise ,,,,,
Bottlejob fc
Good questions but could be worded better!
They will smash us if we play like schoolboys
Saliba will score the 5th goal against us
Flex find shame brother it’s free
What is this talk about the big 6? All I see now is the big 4, 5th is good, 6th place you tried. 7th place and below is the struggle squad. 5th and 6th place is only important when the English teams win the Champions League, Europa League or the domestic cups. Top 4 is where it’s at now, teams that you think are little are now on board for 5th and 6th.
Ronaldo's contract was ripped up. What is Cecil on about 'Arteta ripped up contracts' and was authoritarian??
Ronaldo ripped his own contract. If he didn't do that interview the club wouldn't have got rid of him.
@@DC94359 OK.
Turkish sayin teams fell off that’s why United got 3rd so does that mean that’s why you got second last season, teams are falling off even Chelsea aren’t there anymore so arsenal ain’t special they just took someone spot when they dropped off 👀
loved this - gr8 stuff
Arteta isn’t even on ten Haags level one trophy in how many years the arsenal coach has two 8th place finishes three outside of top four with some good batterings from city and them teams too so don’t chat shit all of y’all were just like the United fan base now cussing him guess what y’all club has changed and y’all still ain’t winning one skunt just meeting quarters in champions league and shit ole did that too so what is the big deal stop chatting shit 0 trophies for y’all skunt again this year parade with that
Nahhhhhh Turkish was better staying quiet. Klopp would have those titles not Arsenal. Gahhhhh dang Arsenal fans bro.
Ancoloti went to Everton and had them competing soon as he left they dropped. Ancoloti would probably have a title with Everton before Arteta gets one with Arsenal.
Cecil is a poor arsenal representative on this show. Get people like James or Curtis alongside Turkish
Won’t be beating anyone 5-1
Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag is a potential candidate to replace the outgoing Thomas Tuchel at Bayern Munich
all that talk just for the one fa cup trophy in artetas first season. arsenal fans gotta relax. do the talking after you win something
Manchester United have spoken with Bayern Munich manager Thomas Tuchel's advisers to gauge his interest in replacing Erik ten Hag
Yes arsena7will smash us but don't get yourselves at it it wasn't to long ago you were getting turned over left right centre yourselves
5-1 arsenal ❤
Manchester United will sack manager Erik ten Hag at the end of the season
Its done united will lose
Cecil talks like he was a good pro didn't he play for Crawley and aftv lol joker, surely if he was any good he would still be playing now