"Bill Cosby seems like he's in slow-motion throughout the movie".
Must've got the drinks switched.
If they thought Hollywood had run out of ideas 32 years ago I can't imagine what they would have thought of movies now.
Shutdown Hollywood...the 1980s were the last great decade of movie making.
hollywood ran out of ideas in the first few years. there will always be shitty movies that aren't creative and there will always be great and innovative movies.
Cosby did Leonard Part 6 because it was sure to put audiences to sleep.
Saw this when it originally aired and it's as great as I remembered. Gene Siskel's line at 6:09 cracked me up then and cracks me up now: "Oh yes, the old groin joke. Boy I'm tired of that." Miss both of these guys.
I miss these guys. I used to watch their show every Sunday.👍
I still miss watching this show so much.
It must suck when you're so low IQ you can't come up with your own opinions. You have to listen to these two long dead old men.
I'm sure somebody could recreate it with AI voices and thoughtful writing
LOL! The Secret Of My Success is one of my favorites!!
Funniest line is when Ebert says "drumroll please, but imaginary drums because this movie isn't good enough for real drums"
😅😅 I miss Roger. He could be savage. I suspect S and E were always competing for the quotable line.
winter of 88 my school was on lockdown due to a blizzard so back then we would go in the gym and the whole school would watch a movie... the one we got was Leonard 6... we didnt even come close to finishing it, my principal turned it off just after the killer trout scene and called it the biggest piece of crap he ever saw and put on back to the future instead.
Guess the dumbass principal didn't think, "Hey, Back to the Future is a great film. I'll bet most of the students in my school have seen it, but still it's worth watching again." I'm talking about him putting on that classic first.
the beauty of S & E is that they came from newspapers so their ideas for TV were original and different
Leonard Parts 1-5 being classified raises all sorts of questions.
I miss them so much. 😪😪😪
yea I wish there was a review show like this, but I think we can't find 2 reviewers that R that good.
The closest I've come is Filmspotting on NPR. They get a little to into themsleves, but they will actually have an argument about films sometimes rather than just agreeing.
@@yaywhewclips242 Thing is you need people who can work together and really care about the movies they review. They didn't cry wolf about them and what they talked about was wrong with the industry, like the ratings system.
@@ryananon779 OVER THE TOP was a cornball embarrassment... you're calling critics of the movie "cunts" shows the maturity level of its fans.
We tried to sit through "Leonard Part 6" on video back in the '80s...10 minutes in - [EJECT]
I had a similar experience with Ishtar. I heard it was underrated, but I didn't see it.
I demand these two guys be brought back to life and explain why "Who's That Girl" is not on the list.
Secret of my success is an 80's guilty pleasure for me. When it's on, I'll still watch it :)
I remembered liking "Secret of My Success;" it didn't aim very high, but it hit the mark and was an hour and a half of good dumb fun.
It used to be on TV all of the time. I liked it when I was a kid.
Towards the end of At the Movies they had the categories: See It, Skip It, Rent It. That's one I'd give a "Rent It" to . . .
Exactly. I'm not going to tell you that it's up there with Lawrence of Arabia but it wasn't bad.
the opening music of the tv shows like this in the 80s was so optimistic...
FUN FACT: The actress who played Michael J. Fox's secretary later was the voice of Mrs. Wolowitz in the Big Bang Theory. Carol Ann Susi.
It was also a year of some great action movies: Lethal Weapon, Predator, Robocop, The Running Man, The Living Daylights, The Untouchables.
"a fragile thing like humor was just beaten out of the script"
what a savage
I thought they did give Judge Reinhold’s character a life. He had all these plants and fish and guns in his apartment. It was neat.
I love how savage these guys are: "movies are stupid, but do they have to be THIS stupid?"
That's what's entertaining about them. They had to waste their time seeing all this garbage and they wonder why did they have to in the first place? Why were these films given green lights? At least now they no longer watch garbage films in heaven.
About half of youtube owe there careers to these two men.
Stallone’s talk with the kid was an early, and much less inspiring version of his GREAT (sunshine and rainbows) speech in Rocky Balboa...
And even Travolta's director tells him the same thing in "Stayin' Alive". Sly may not be in the movie, but even only in the director's chair, he has to have that scene where the lead character is down on himself and needs a pep talk from someone that explains to them that in life, if you want it, you gotta take it yourself.
I think Gene may have had a couple of stiff drinks to prepare for this episode. He's genuinely angry about these godawful movies, needs to get it off his chest, and I love it. You can disagree with either or both of them about this or that particular film, but Siskel and Ebert were always sincere and they were always on our side. Miss them both.
Have you ever seen when Gene goes off on Roger for giving thumbs up to the dreadful flick Cop and 1/2? The movie began and ended Henry Winkler's career as a film director, it was that bad. It's epic and it's awesome.
@@robertslydell6990 I think I did! Another part of their greatness was their willingness to go after each other when they disagreed.
Thanks for the observation, after reading this comment I watched the rest on .75 speed and it was even more entertaining, especially the two wallets bit!
I would have bet my paycheck that Jaws: The Revenge would have been in there.
@Chris Foster nah that film was just alright despite the cheap special effects and editing
JAWS the Revenge is the mother of the roaring shark, The Asylum patterned their movies after that one.
They did review Jaws Revenge on a different show. That laughed their butts off at it. Ripped it up pretty good.
Wasn't their review on the regular show funny enough? Some movies didn't deserve revisiting.
@@missioncodez I'll have to watch it again, I must have missed that part?
The best indie films from that year were Matewan, Barfly, and Prick up Your Ears. Between '85 and '89, we fell in love with the indie genre. Baghdad Cafe, Sid and Nancy, Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown, The Bad Lieutenant, Betty Blue, Eddie Murphy's Raw, and My Beautiful are among some of my favorites.
I can only imagine what they would've said about The Emoji Movie.....
Miss these 2 guys.
I miss watching their shows siskel and ebert are great tv hosts rip gents ❤️🌹🥀🌷
The Secret of My Success, represents the ethos of the 1980's.
@@CaptainSpalding72 I dont think George B was saying Secret Success was a good flick..He was saying it represents the 80's in a nut shell with money being secret of success
@@cheddarcheese7928 thats prolly accurate. Despite the flick stinking.
Beverly Hills Cop II had some slick action scenes.
10:30 Siskel: "Oh, they're so clever in Hollywood, next thing you know they're gonna make a movie about two guys who trade wallets and decide to change identities." Gene practically gave Hollywood Pictures the idea for Taking Care of Business, the Charles Grodin and Jim Belushi comedy.
Which they didn't review on the show, but reviewed separately and both liked.
Over the Top is one of the best movies ever made. Everyone was arm wrestling in school when it came out back in the day. Just gotta turn that hat around!
Lol. That movie has a special place in my heart. I guess because i saw it when i was a child. At its core, it's about a father-son relationship and i guess it affected me a lot as a kid with a troubled relationship with my dad.
Over The Top is nowhere near one of the best movies ever. It's cheesy and predictable. Plus it's about arm wrestling, like come on! It's one thing to enjoy it, but one of the best movies ever made? In no universe is that even close to being true.
Stallone's speech to his bratty kid was actually wise and worthwhile.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Stallone was the highest-paid actor in the world. Shut the fuck up.
tommytimp I'd care more about a great screenplay than a great paycheck.
John Breidenthal Come on, it's the sort of stuff you would find on a daytime soap opera.
It's as wise as a bumper sticker. There's a reason why the Bible is a book, and the people who quote from it really don't understand what it's saying....
UA-cam with a rare W! They left these legendary episodes up for all of us to enjoy. But what happens when your man wants to watch some Jake and the Fatman on here? "STOP! THIEF!"
I liked Beverly Hills Cop II, and it's a hell of a lot better than the third one.
@@connarcowanakacliffordoneo9095 No, it wasn't. It was screamingly loud, obnoxious, and very, painfully, agonizingly not funny.
@@bobthebear1246 I disagree. Good action. Funny lines. And has a good story. Great cast too!
S P not to me. I prefer part iii. It wasn’t boring. It was the first I saw but it’s not my favorite. The original is. There is a reason why they put II on their worst of list
The funny part is Judge Reinhold being a Rambo wannabe. "We gotta talk..."
Roger Ebert: "Eddie Murphy's talented is wasted on these awful scripts."
Gene Siskel: "In this next one, a man and his son trade brains, so clever. Next thing you know they're gonna make a film about two guys who trade wallets."
Roger Ebert: "That's not a bad idea."
Eddie Murphy: "Mother****er, ain't you ever seen Trading Places?!"
Also, that was due to those asshole Duke brothers making a one dollar bet. It wasn't what Gene was talking about. However, a few years later there was a film called Taking Care of Business that used that idea, but they didn't see it.
Jaws the Revenge and Superman IV: The Quest For Peace should have been in their list.
They didn't review the Superman film. As for Jaws the Revenge, they said at the beginning that some of the films they could've mentioned weren't worth a second look. I guess this was one of them.
@@str.77 Jaws the Revenge had Michael Caine, and they utterly (and hilariously) trashed the film when it came out. Ebert gave it zero stars, so it was obviously in the realm of films he might have included among his worst of '87. They just for whatever reason decided not to include it on this list.
@@Kylopod Okay. Thanks for the info. Jaws was never my scene, I'm afraid. Nor was Superman.
@@str.77 Just for the record, I've never seen Jaws: The Revenge. I have seen Superman IV--as a kid, and even at that uncritical age I had some awareness of how awful it was. (I am, though, a fan of the first Jaws and the first two Superman films.)
I think about what it takes to get a film made and I'm amazed... someone wrote a script about arm wrestling, it got pitched to somebody who said yes, then he ran it up the flagpole and more people said yes, a budget was committed to it and on it goes...no adult supervisor ever stepped up and said "hey, guys....we're talking about a movie about ARM WRESTLING! WTF is wrong with you people!?"
And Kubrick could't get his Napoleon made, just one of thousands of examples. Stupid people.
What helped Stallone get that film made was it was a Cannon release and the guy who ran it (Menahem Golan) was a guy who would green light so much stuff at once because he had no control over himself. Also, he directed Over the Top.
What gets made in Hollywood depends much more on how famous you are and who you know than the quality of the script material or film idea.
Leonard part 6 taught me that rabbits and trout attack people randomly. It also taught me that hot dogs make heads explode. All because of shampoo.
This movie is the most bafflingly bad movie I've ever seen in my life. If I was born in 1987 and saw it in theaters, I would have walked out. I caught it on streaming and cut it off midway. Finished it weeks later and I was surprised that it actually got worse. It's personally the worst movie I've ever seen.
Sounds every bit as incomprehensible as “Ghost Dad,” whose rules about ghosts are totally inconsistent, seeming to just change on a whim.
It's knowledge like this that will hold you in good stead throughout life 🌭
OMG! Like Father, Like Son! Haha! I haven't seen that movie in 20 years! It used to be one of my childhood favorites. I NEED to go and buy a copy of that one. As well as 'No Holds Barred' and 'Over The Top'!
Can't really blame Whoopi, even with the success of The Color Purple it would have been hard for her to get the good top tier roles like Meryl Streep and Kathleen Turner.
Well, at least do something that is original and not retreaded garbage or a film deal. Whoopi did that for several years until Ghost.
@@sha11235 The only movies she could have done would have been small, independent films. not much money but at least self respect
Pryor was suffering from MS, and it was really fucking him up by then. You can see it in his eyes from this movie through Harlem Nights. But a great film he did was Moving, it's insane.
In the Pryor documentary from a few years ago, he's shown openly crapping on Moving on (I think) the Tonight Show.
In addition, Mel Brooks' company Brooksfilms who produced lavish comedies that make
audiences laugh, cry and think. And the result was "Moving" with Richard Pryor. Released
by Warner Bros. in 1988.
Yeah. Remember watching these guys many times growing up…when we had cable lol both are now gone. Godspeed and thank you, S & E!
10:30 Gene Siskel unknowingly writes the plot of the 1990 Jim Belushi comedy “Taking Care Of Business.”
And I bet they didn’t even give him a screenwriting credit.
(Note: they didn’t. It’s freakin’ J.J. Abrams. The guy who wrote Regarding Henry.)
Siskel did that a lot, actually, dreamed up joking alternate plots for movies he hated. Hell, half the time his ideas WERE more interesting than the original premise.
They may not have forgotten Ishtar, but they've certainly forgotten Jaws: The Revenge. Actually, maybe that's a good thing.
I think Ishtar is funny, to be honest, I love that show. Part of it is that I played low dollar gigs, many times!!.
It wasn't worth it to discuss. Here are some others they could've put on their worst list: Summer School, Three o"Clock High, Superman 4, Garbage Pail Kids movie, The Lost City of Gold, Disorderlies.
The topic is box office bombs with big stars. Jaws the Revenge doesn't have big stars (aside from Michael Caine in a supporting role)
@@petevaldezbc1 Sir Michael Caine
made a healthy comeback after a series of
unsuccessful flops. Hits like Dirty Rotten
Scoundrels, The Muppets Christmas Carol,
Little Voice, The Cider House Rules (AA, 2000), Miss Congeniality, The Quiet American (AAN, 2003), Austin Powers 3,
Batman Begins, Bewitched, Children of Men
among others.
Ishtar was so infamous I heard it referenced in the PC game “Hoyle Casino” in a negative way.
Years ago I tried to watch Ishtar when there was something or a minor critical re-evaluation going on. I tried, I really tried, but I don't think I even made it to the half hour mark. It was painful.
@@michaeldownstairs Indeed. Taking the counter-culture opinion for the sake of it doesn't always work out.
I didn’t think it was as bad as people said back then, but it wasn’t any masterpiece either. It really should just be a forgotten comedy that wasn’t as funny as it thought it was.
the secret of my success is a great movie.
10:29 _Taking Care of Business_ (1990) James Belushi ends up with Charles Grodin’s wallet and has to fill in for him
@@CaiominTwin Yeah, but Taking Care of Business came out after Siskel said this and his idea is closer in story to that one.
There won’t be a Leonard Part 7 lol
Ugh... Ishtar. My Dad, who ignored reviews, draggedme to see Ishtar. We left like halfway through the film. We led a mass exodus out of the theatre, all of us wanting our money back. And we got it back. Terrible film. Every so often I meet people who *like* Ishtar and I wonder who hurt them so deeply?
Anyone who claims to like Ishtar is *probably* a tiresome, contrarian, "everyone dislikes it, so I'm gonna like it 😏" type
Note to self:
Never, ever, under ANY circumstances, use a cement truck in a chase scene.
Those of us who were 7 or 8 in 1987 love Over the Top!!!!
Totally, I was 7. It’s still in my top 10. I can watch it once a week. And secret of my success is a classic. Territno even put it on his top 5 movies of 1987
Secret of My Success - low budget film that still has charm today....
Producer-director Herbert Ross and producers Ray Stark, Martin Jurow, executive producers
Joseph M. Caracciolo, Mary Kay Powell and associate producer Norman Gay whose notable
contributions to help make Focus' The Secret of My Success - 1987's low budget film that
still has charm today.
Secret Of My Success is a decent movie. One of the many good movies that I saw in a theater in 1987!
I love some of those movies for nostalgic reasons. I was born in 1989 and I know Over the Top since the early 90s, so this one means a lot too me. But even something like Beverly Hills Cop 2 and the Secret of my Success, which I first saw in 2013 and 2017 respectively.
I wouldn't think of calling any of the top ten most grossing movies of 1987 "bombs" or one of the "worst films of the year." Today they advertise to get people into the theater opening weekend. Or a money-making movie might be saved by the overseas market that want to see babes, cars and/or robots. People who saw _Beverly Hills Cop 2_ and _The Secret of My Success_ had a chance to read reviews and hear word-of-mouth to walk away, but they chose not to.
Man, I would just LOVE to see these guys reviewing movies from today. Wow. I can only imagine what they would say about the trash like these reboots and these pathetic superhero movies being made today. Some of the worst movies ever made, period.
Anyone remember if they reviewed "Flowers in the Attic" that year? I found no print reviews from them either. That usually meant they couldn't find time to review it (which was unlikely due to the film's high profile at the time), or they saw it but hated it so much that they walked out of the theater mid-movie and didn't review it. The movie was widely panned at the time, so the latter was likely. S&E had a policy with the studios that if they walked out on a film, they weren't allowed to review it or talk about it -- sort of like a NDA.
I forgot about that film. It nearly ended Victoria Tennant's career (which honestly was only revived due to her soon-to-be romance with and marriage to Steve Martin, who put her in all of his films in the late-80's - early-90's). It did end Louise Fletcher's film career, and nearly her entire acting career until "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" saved it soon afterwards.
I thought "Flowers in the Attic" was just a TV movie not something that got a theatrical run. I liked the movie and its grim dark tone. I have heard the book was even better. If it was just made for TV S&E would not have reviewed it.
over the top was amazing!
I whistle the theme to this all the time while getting ready in the morning 😂
I wish Siskel & Ebert will still around to review the Fast and Furious movies.
Ebert reviewed at least the first five. He gave them all positive reviews.
#10 Tough Guys Don't Dance
#9 Over The Top
#8 Ninja Commandments
#7 Howling III
#6 Leonard Part 6
#5 Silent Night, Deadly Night Part 2
#4 Superman IV: The Quest For Peace
#3 Teen Wolf 2
#2 The Garbage Pail Kids Movie
#1 Jaws: The Revenge
Didn’t #5 have that “GARBAGE DAY” scene? Phelous mentioned that in one old video or two.
The Secret of My Success was great. Over the Top had a classic '80's soundtrack featuring Kenny Loggins and Sammy Hagar.
Both non stop soundtracks were truly unstoppable. Both were from
Mercury Records (PolyGram) and
Columbia Records (Sony).
Their _Leonard Part 6_ review is seriously one of the funniest dishings I've ever seen. The only thing that matches it is Mark Twain's _The Literary Offences of James Fenimore Cooper_.
@@suzycreamcheesez4371 Well they might have thrown dishes at the screen lol.
@@indy_go_blue6048 uh huh As Metallica says nothing else matters! aloha nui loa We're done!
10:30 And three years later Jim Belushi makes Taking Care Of Business
Which they didn't even review on the show!!!! Guess it wasn't screened for them.
Not having Siskel & Ebert, or any worthy successor since Ebert & Roper (despite many attempts), has been a severe cultural disadvantage in America for the last couple of decades.
Agreed, there really is nobody in the culture anymore with a strong intelligent voice e reviewing movies. There’s the still good writers but they don’t have a big audience, and there are a million podcasts and UA-cam channels that just don’t have the critical or artistic eye to do it well.
@@HkFinn83 BTW, the worst example of this cultural deficit that I personally saw was on Roger's own attempt to provide a successor to S&E (after Gene died, "Ebert & Roper" had run its course, and Roger lost his voice to surgery), when his two young proteges contradicted the absolute lowest review to ever appear on any of the S&E programs: "I Spit on Your Grave." Roger and Gene could not have condemned that "film" for its misogynistic violence any more deeply, both agreeing that it was the worst release of that year. But the two MTV-era reviewers, probably having been desensitized by additional decades of mindlessly portrayed cruelty, felt that it had merit. (They do deserve credit for personal integrity for daring to contradict their boss, even if their conclusion was patently wrong.)
In this comment section: People thinking they're the first to make a Cosby joke.
You put the pills 💊 in the pudding. You put the pudding in the people. You put the p£nis in the people.
Graduated high school in 87 - don't think I heard of/remember any of these beside Beverley Hills Cop 2 and Ishtar
I can't believe Stallone made a film about arm wrestling, it literally sounds like a joke. 😂
I find the best movies are when custody battles are fought thru arm wrestling
@@MrMllx Watch David Cronenberg's The Brood. Much better film about custody battles. Hard to watch at times, but excellent.
It’s funny that Jean mentions that over the top could be like rocky 55… In the 2006 Rocky Balboa Stallone gives a very similar speech to his son in that movie, as he gives to his young son in Over The Top
No, Roger. That IS Whoopi's potential. That's as good as she gets.
A lot of these movies were my favorites of that year.
I saw Over The Top at the movies that year, haha. Yes, really. I was the age of that kid though, I didn't know any better.
I saw Beverly Hills Cop 2 as well. Liked it then, still like it. I don't care that the first one was better because I like that one too.
nonplayerzealot4 I saw both. Beverley Hills Cop 2 was hilarious. But Over The Top was a little too much. I always liked the name Lincoln Hawk though.
Me, too. Because some other people wanted to. I didn't hate the film, but I didn't think it was a masterpiece.
Saw Secret of My Success in the theatre opening weekend. Audience loved it! Only years-decades later do I discover how wrong I was for enjoying this “gem.” Oh, ignorance is truly bliss!
WHAT?!?! beverely hills cop2 is excellent!!!! eddie's in top form, ashton & reinhold are great, chief lutz played by allen garfield, brigitte neilson is actually decent, dean stockwell, jurgen prochnow, gil hill, pre-fame paul reiser as jeffrey... all great! but, gilbert gottfried as sidney bernstein is priceless!! oh shit, & the late robert pastorelli as the credit card crook. maaan, sometimes these two really fucked it up.
The late 80s...where the inundation of formulaic trash truly flourished.
And for some reason, people still embrace it. They don't care about the quality. If the film is entertaining in a primitive fashion, that's good enough for them. I strive for movies to be more than that.
'87- Like Father, Like Son. '88-18 Again! and Vice Versa. '89 Dream A Little Dream
These guys were great.
I don't know what to say, but what I would like to say about watching these movies and seeing which I like the most. For starters, "Beverly Hills Cop 2", "The Secret of My Success", "Like Father Like Son" were doing quite well while "Over the Top", "Burglar", "Critical Condition" were stunning cult favorites and even "Ishtar", "Leonard Part 6" as well as others were not doing better to say the least. Hope you got it, everybody!
Both Ishtar and Leonard Part 6 were big financial duds, both produced by Columbia Pictures, owned by the Coca-Cola Company and their failures led to Coke selling the studio to Sony. A good close friend of mine worked at Coke for like 15 years and I'm a movie nerd as is she so we know a lot about movies and Coke.
After a series of failures such as "Hanky Panky," "Wrong is Right," "Spacehunter," "Krull," "The Slugger's Wife," "Ishtar" and "Leonard Part 6," were all produced by Columbia-Delphi Productions, owned by the
Coca-Cola Company and their failures led to Coke selling the studio to Sony. From November 1989 to
present, three years after Sony acquired the studio and its brands, Columbia, TriStar, Screen Gems,
Sony Pictures Classics, Triumph Films, Delphi Film Associates and Red Wagon Entertainment as well
as its television, home entertainment and music units for audiences and fans around the world, it just keeps getting better all the time.
@@markelijio6012 Yeah, The Slugger's Wife was one of their biggest duds. Tom Holland, who made the original Fright Night, said he received no studio interference as they were focused more on that movie which was in production at the same time.
this may be a dumb question but how did "The Garbage Pail Kids Movie" not make this list?
or maybe they just decided not to see it. smarter than most people who saw it lol.
They said in the beginning that they were going after the big movies and blockbusters of that year. To quote Roger Ebert @1:12 "Not so much the little bad films, but the big blockbuster bombs."
The Garbage Pail Kids Movie only cost 1 million to make and barely made that amount back.
Haha I liked, "Over the Top." 💪🤣
I love over the top
Good for you. That's called 'having an opinion'. But it was not a good movie. We ONLY remember it for Stalone's involvement.
A guy drinks a quart of motor oil during a competition. Wonder what that did for him. Like this movie, ridiculous.
God I miss this show.
Saw most of these in the theatre. I guess a nine year old is easily entertained
Ishtar is good for like the first half hour when it's just about two talentless songwriters finding each other. That was a good enough premise on its own. The whole "adventure" thing just wrecked something that was going pretty well as a light comedy.
Over the top is stupid but i still love it.
Ha. If they think Beverly Hills Cop II is bad, wait till they see the third one.
3’O Clock High came out in 1987 and was absolutely hysterical and well written and one if those movies, even today that’s still fun to watch.
I was 17 and drunk n high but bh2 was among the buffet of summer fest I enjoyed it while barfing in the 2nd row
1987: a time when Leonard Part 6 was the worst thing Bill Cosby had ever done.
I always knew something was wrong with that pig. Leonard part 6 was when I realized it!!
I still think Ghost Dad was his greatest crime...
@@rosselliswilkinson leonard part 6 raped my mind..lol
You beat me to it. Mine: "Leonard Part 6 didn't test well among female audiences. They said it was a real snoozer." Bu dump bump tsss.
Still waiting for The Nostalgia Critic, or The Cinema Snob to review this movie.