Mortal Kombat 4 Isn't a 3D Era Game

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  • @vaggos2003
    @vaggos2003 Рік тому +18

    People in this comment section brough up some more points in your favor, those being:
    -MK4 continuing the traditional of being titled with a number, where the 3D era uses non-nummerical words.
    -Story-wise, there is a 10-year timeskip between MK4 and Deadly Alliance.
    -MK4 was the last mainline MK game to be written by John Tobias, whereas Deadly Alliance introduced new members to the team.
    -MK4 was the last MK mainline game to be released on the Arcade. Deadly Alliance was released on Playstation.
    -MK4 recycled Fatalitoes from the original Trilogy, whereas Deadly Alliance had new Fatalities.
    All those are true, but I also have dome additional points to add:
    -MK4 was being built up at Mileena's and Noob Saibot's MKT endings, Mileena's UMK3 ending and Noob Saibot's MKT bio. You could argue Mileena's MK3 ending and Liu Kang's and Khameleon's MK3/UMK3/MKT and Scorpion's UMK3 ending perhaps were meant to hint at MK4 or at a sequel in general and Classic Sub-Zero's existense in MK3/UMK3/MKT could be seen as a red hairing for the Noob Saibot twist, but all these are admittedly ambigious and unconfirmed.
    MK4 on the other hand didn't really build up to Deadly Alliance. Scorpion's ending didn't hint at Quan Chi surviving, Reiko's could just be seen as the reborn Shao Kahn winning and Noob's absense from the main roster back then could either feel like a dropped concept or perhaps the twist wasn't conceptualised yet. Fujin's, Kai's and Reiko's roles did feel like sequel setups, but they also could be seen as just series finale unanswerable but understandable cliffhangers. Besides, Deadly Alliance didn't follow up on those plot points anyway.
    You could argue that Sonya's MK3/UMK3/MKT ending hinted at Kano returning, but that also opens a can of worms as to whether Kano was actually meant to be in MK4.
    -MK4's story definitely felt like the end of an era for the mainplot and for the characters, whereas Deadly Alliance's story felt like the start of a new one.
    In MK4, the feud between Scorpion and Sub-Zero ended, the feud between Kitana and Mileena ended, the war against the Shokans was over, Kung Lao managed to get payback from and make amends with Goro, Liu Kang's and Kitana's relationship was confirmed and reached its conclusion, the biggest in scale evil the series has seen up until that point being defeated, the Black Dragon is no more, Johnny Cage is back, Edenia is truly freed and successors to Liu Kang and Raiden were left to forge new paths and a new world.
    In Deadly Alliance, Liu Kang and Shao Kahn die and new heroes and villains rise, we start from the seconds-in-command to the previous big bads and there are hints towards brand-new bigger threats to come (Onaga and Armageddon), many of our classic heroes are back with new stories, Raiden is back in action with hints towards a darker path, Kitana is now waging war on Shao Kahn, Sub-Zero is now the Lin Quei Grandmaster, recruits Frost and Sareena and gets stranded in Outworld, Sektor creates his own Tekunin clan, Reptile gets possessed by the next game's boss and a new criminal organisation is introduced.
    -Deadly Alliance has the MK1 comic as unlockable content. This lore reminder definitely feels more like something outvof the start of a new era and not of an era finale like MK4. Although to be fair, including that is a bit unfair, since the arcade MK4 could not include something like that even if it wanted.
    -MK4 generally had designs, movesets and animations and even gameplay tone very similar to those in the original trilogy, whereas Deadly Alliance introduced brand new ones that stayed for the rest of the 3D era.

  • @The4thSnake
    @The4thSnake 4 роки тому +130

    You'd think this would be obvious, but this IS the MK fandom we're talking about, so...

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +39

      The4thSnake unsurprisingly the video was downvoted on the MK subreddit with people flatly staying that the arenas are in 3D, therefore it’s a 3D era game. They’re free to think that of course, but I think they’re wrong.

    • @thepenguinboi8679
      @thepenguinboi8679 4 роки тому +14

      @@Harperlarp have you seen 4thsnakes content? He has some good stuff

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +20

      Shooter and Fighter Gamer yeah I’ve seen some of it. He does good work. Wasted Plotential is one of the best titles for a youtube series I’ve ever heard, lol.

    • @The4thSnake
      @The4thSnake 4 роки тому +23

      @@Harperlarp MK Reddit is full of cretins anyway. An opinion that differs from the norm? Begone! It's like Resetera for MK fanboys.

    • @mr.checkyourself4672
      @mr.checkyourself4672 4 роки тому +12

      Thank U 4th Snake for bringing me here

  • @OmarSalhab
    @OmarSalhab 4 роки тому +57

    Also the fact that the classic era used numbers to identify the sequels like MK3 and MK4, whereas the 3D era used words: Deadly alliance, Deception.

    • @MaxCanonStunner
      @MaxCanonStunner 4 роки тому +1

      , Armageddon and Vs DC.

    • @blok--head7472
      @blok--head7472 Рік тому

      @@MaxCanonStunner Which is weird considering MKvsDC is somehow considered as "Mortal Kombat 8"

  • @android927
    @android927 4 роки тому +11

    Also of note is the fact that the health bars drain towards the edges of the screen, the same as in MK1-3. Starting with Deadly Alliance, the health bars were changed so that they drained towards the center of the screen like in most other fighting games, and have remained that way ever since.

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +3

      I didn’t even notice that! Now I won’t be able to unsee it, lol.

  • @TheBlack_Ghost
    @TheBlack_Ghost 4 роки тому +32

    I rarely change my opinion on something, but you actually made me change how I see MK4 now. Good job!

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +13

      Awesome! The more I dug into it the more it became clear to me that it's a klassic era game :)

  • @Splinter3385
    @Splinter3385 2 роки тому +6

    I actually used many of these points on a Twitter debate tonight then came to UA-cam to see if anyone else agreed and I cannot believe how perfect this video outlined the same things I've said for years. Spot on, mate! Spot. On.

  • @TheRabbitPoet
    @TheRabbitPoet 4 роки тому +18

    Story wise there's a 10~ year timeskip between MK4 and DA, there's no way they could be considered part of the same era

  • @kevinbalfe
    @kevinbalfe 4 роки тому +18

    They did continue the story after MK4 but they didn't even follow up on Kai and Fujin's plot lol

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +5

      I only rented Deadly Alliance and Deception back in the day so I don't have the memory of the story down too well.

  • @JahlisMan
    @JahlisMan 4 роки тому +16

    yeah, I've always considered MK1-MK4 as one era, specifically, the "Tobias era". he was the lore and story guy, he created the universe and most of the characters for those 4 games. my purist mind would never consider putting MK4 with the subsequent trilogy, since different people were in charge of the story in those.

  • @tacobell3685
    @tacobell3685 4 роки тому +38

    Harperlarp u also forgot to say that MK4 was on the arcade machine

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +7

      I guess so. Yeah the 3D era wasn't in the arcade. I don't usually think of arcade since I've never lived near one.

    • @tobyvenom
      @tobyvenom 4 роки тому

      mk trilogy is a 2d era game and does not have an official arcade version. i say official because a fan made an arcade version himself.

    • @Nhan6241
      @Nhan6241 3 роки тому

      @@tobyvenom MKT is more like an upgraded UMK3 than its own thing.

    • @the757general2
      @the757general2 2 роки тому

      @@tobyvenom MKT was just an UMK3 update. MK4 was a new game.

  • @JJBEENUP
    @JJBEENUP 4 роки тому +32

    I don't disagree with a single point in this video. You did a solid job 👍

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +5

      Bentai thanks! It took me a while to make so I’m glad you like it 😁

  • @ElixExo
    @ElixExo 4 роки тому +10

    Living forest used to scare me as a kid.

  • @100mesmerized9
    @100mesmerized9 4 роки тому +15

    The 4th Snake sent me here

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +5

      Hi! Glad you stopped by :)

    • @100mesmerized9
      @100mesmerized9 4 роки тому +2

      @@Harperlarp Welcome and nice video

  • @basedostrich
    @basedostrich 3 роки тому +6

    You should have added that MK4 was the last game to come to arcade cabinets in the series, seemingly ending an era if you ask me.

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  3 роки тому +2

      Yeah I didn't know that until after the video was uploaded. Growing up in England and never being near an arcade I often forget they exist.

    • @basedostrich
      @basedostrich 3 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp that's cool man I just wanted to add another point. Hopefully anyone who's still doubtful might see this extra detail and it might change their mind

  • @justbny9278
    @justbny9278 4 роки тому +4

    Always considered 4 as a part of the weird phase of the late 90s, not in any era really just a weird chaotic transition period

  • @kevinbalfe
    @kevinbalfe 4 роки тому +8

    The fatalities are also recycled for the most part because people thought that it would look cooler. Now I know that they use old fatalities for new brutalities but you get my point.

  • @ГеоргийКоновченко-т3т

    I may agree, that this is not a 3D era game. But I also don't find it as a continuation or ending of classic era. It's more of a something in-between, era of experiments which it shared with MK Mythologies and Special Forces. New villains, new concepts, experimenting with mechanics, experimenting with genres, something like that.

  • @richardsphd
    @richardsphd 4 роки тому +4

    Also MK 4 has practically the same plot as MK 3, just swapping out Shao Kahn for Shinnok and Shang Tsung for Quan Chi. Deadly Alliance and the others had pretty different stories from the classics, and they also picked up relatively close to each other

  • @kevinbalfe
    @kevinbalfe 4 роки тому +5

    Really cool, I'll definitely share this!

  • @MaskedPlayer514
    @MaskedPlayer514 4 роки тому +1

    I always found it weird that people considered this was a 3d era game. I guess part of it is that MK4 doesn't really fit anywhere and classic fans would rather disown it, which is fair enough the game is garbage and it is my favorite MK game, but I ain't going to pretend its good.

  • @XMan2001X
    @XMan2001X 2 роки тому +2

    Personally, I’ve referred to the Klassic Era as the Arcade Era. Because for all intents and purposes, MK4 was in the arcades first - and I played this klassic game the most - and was the final MK arcade game before Midway made the 3D console games. But that’s probably just me.

  • @mjwillgotskills
    @mjwillgotskills Рік тому +1

    I always thought this! Spot on! Agee 1000% and I'm glad this video exists

  • @thepenguinboi8679
    @thepenguinboi8679 4 роки тому +3

    Been waiting for this vid ever since you spoke about it on Insta

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +3

      Shooter and Fighter Gamer I hope the wait was worth it.

    • @thepenguinboi8679
      @thepenguinboi8679 4 роки тому +2

      @@Harperlarp oh it was. I was sad it was only 10 mins

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +2

      Shooter and Fighter Gamer it was only gonna be me talking to a camera for a few minutes at first. But the more I dug the more I realised its little more than a Klassic era game with a third dimension and the video grew.

  • @SurvivedKombatants
    @SurvivedKombatants 4 роки тому +1

    Another point to your argument is story. This is the last story where the good guys (or Liu Kang) win in the end. We had Liu Kang defeat the big bad since MK1-4, then the 3D era came and it was the bad guys who won, DA, Liu Kang is dead and Raiden is defeated by the DA. Deception, Omaga annihilates everyone until Shujinko, and in MK9 it is shown that Shao Kahn wins. Idk just something I thought I could bring up

  • @musicmodjoe2139
    @musicmodjoe2139 4 роки тому +1

    You've made very good points, I will add that mk4 was that John Tobias worked on the game and its story and characters, as opposed to the 3d era where other members of the midway staff worked on the story (primarily John vogel, alex barentine and jon greenberg, they will also work partially on the stories during the nrs era).

  • @iakun8236
    @iakun8236 4 роки тому +2

    I was sent by The4thSnake.... cool vid. You convinced me I’m going to check out another video of yours.

  • @blok--head7472
    @blok--head7472 Рік тому +1

    Ive always just thought MK4 was in its own separate category, sort of a bridge to migrate arcade games into the home versions, as MKDA onward never had an arcade release after 4.
    But seeing the connections between the original trilogy does make a lot of sense, plus I suppose it really capped off Lui Kang's journey from those prior entries, right before the 3D era went off the rails by killing him off.

  • @Light311
    @Light311 4 роки тому +16

    We all know mk4 is NRS era

  • @onuraksu9103
    @onuraksu9103 4 роки тому +2

    Mortal Kombat 4/Gold remake would be a dream come true 2020😄💯

  • @Skulls-for-Cats
    @Skulls-for-Cats 7 місяців тому +1

    You mentioned the MK Warehouse and from the way it lists things I think it's safe to say that the reasoning can be if you define the original trilogy as 2D era games and from 4 onwards as 3D era games, then the technicality of 4 being a 3D era game stands. But that's really about it - a technicality. Which begs the question of why so many people are so hung up on it.

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  7 місяців тому +1

      Yesterday Ed Boon himself posted a tweet where he included MK4 in the arcade era and stated the 3D era began with Deadly Alliance. So regardless of the MK Warehouse thing I’m still right.

    • @Skulls-for-Cats
      @Skulls-for-Cats 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Harperlarp Huh, guess it's another random Ed Boon tweet. Either way, I never claimed you weren't right, it just caught my atention since again, like I said above, a lot of people are hung up on the technicality of the thing instead of adressing the bigger picture that you painted in the video.

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  7 місяців тому +1

      @@Skulls-for-Cats at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter. It’s just that when I see people say MK4 is part of the 3D era I become the ‘Well actually’ guy 😅

  • @TheRabbitPoet
    @TheRabbitPoet 4 роки тому +2

    This is good and all. But where the hell do we put MKvDC?

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +4

      It's a spinoff, I don't count it :)

    • @TheRabbitPoet
      @TheRabbitPoet 4 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp I wish NRS knew that before naming MKX and MK11

    • @ShiftyGuy777
      @ShiftyGuy777 4 роки тому

      @@TheRabbitPoet It should be this
      MK2011= MK8
      MKX= MK9
      MK11= MKX

  • @Samuel115s
    @Samuel115s 4 роки тому +1

    Which era is mk vs dc part of? That is another one that feels like the odd one out.

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +1

      It's a spin off. It doesn't count.

  • @djcarameldeviljaycry4831
    @djcarameldeviljaycry4831 4 роки тому +3

    Agreed with everything except one thing, MK4 did have a tag mode lol

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +2

      Yeah I didn't look in the Arcade Mode to see that, I made the mistake of thinking all the modes were listed on the title screen, and I didn't go into arcade mode for this video.

    • @djcarameldeviljaycry4831
      @djcarameldeviljaycry4831 4 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp all good lol

  • @craigjones1946
    @craigjones1946 28 днів тому

    It’s an awkward transitional period installment that aged terribly . By the time Deadly Alliance was released in 2002 MK4 was already extremely dated but it does hold a lot of nostalgic value to me personally

  • @boyoboyo2272
    @boyoboyo2272 4 роки тому

    Hello! I haven't visited in a long time. I'm glad you're doing well Harperleelarp!

  • @lestatcanada
    @lestatcanada 4 роки тому +2

    I do agree with you though would that mean mk vs dc is a netherrealm era game since it also Doesn’t have the style switch kombat and also has a story mode witch is pretty defined in the netherrealm era

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому

      lestatcanada it’s a non canon spinoff, I don’t count it as part of the main series.

    • @ShiftyGuy777
      @ShiftyGuy777 4 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp too bad NRS don't

    • @the757general2
      @the757general2 2 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp Actually, MKvsDC is considered to be MK8 by NRS (there's a reason why MK 2011 is called MK9) and it takes place in an alternate timeline (confirmed in MK11) so it is canon.

  • @boyoboyo2272
    @boyoboyo2272 4 роки тому +1

    I agree entirely.
    I'd like to add that, although it was still Midway, MK vs DC was the blueprint they used for the NRS games and essentially formatted the games following up to this point.
    I guess touching up on that, MK 9 and MK vs DC were much more similar to each other in style, gameplay and presentation. And where MK 11 has major gameplay changes, MK X and MK 11 are also a bit more similar to each than the others. Although, all four of them share the same base format.
    The eras are largely sorted by the generation of the game consoles. MK 1 was new then refined with each sequential entry. MK Deadly Alliance had a new style and gameplay that would get refined with the next games in its gen cycle. MK 4 is one of the games that's sort of in the middle area. It's kind of rough like the first games of each of the other generations, yet it doesn't have any sequels on the PS1 or N64 or the "current gen" console of a given time to have really developed a type of gameplay identity that the other eras clearly have. So, people toss MK 4 in the 3d era through misguided semantics. MK 4 fits logically into the klassic 2d era for the reasons you explained. Almost all elements, between gameplay and the option and menu screens and sound and visual design, align with the 2d games. It's largely based on the game format, the game console, and most importantly the team of devs that are working on it

  • @GenMaj_Knight
    @GenMaj_Knight 2 роки тому +1

    A Proto-3D Era or Inter-Era (Think like an Interregnum) of sorts

  • @jackjax7921
    @jackjax7921 Рік тому

    "Toasty, 3D" - Dan Forden

  • @NawiTheCore
    @NawiTheCore 4 роки тому +1

    I haven't watched the video yet but I wanted to say I've always seen MK4/Gold as part of the "transition" era. MK Mythologies and MK Special Forces are also part of that era.

  • @WeepyCuda13thstCOD
    @WeepyCuda13thstCOD 4 роки тому +2

    Is shaolin monks its own era?

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +4

      WeepyCuda13thstCOD it’s a spin-off, I don’t count it. Same goes for MK vs DC.

  • @DevFromParaplegiance
    @DevFromParaplegiance 4 роки тому +4

    This is exactly what im screamin lol

  • @MajinMuu
    @MajinMuu 4 роки тому +1

    Soo mk 4 is like mk vs dc would you cover that the same way you covered this

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому

      No, because MK vs DC is just a spinoff. It's not a mainline MK game. Plus I've never played it.

    • @MajinMuu
      @MajinMuu 4 роки тому +1

      @@Harperlarp it was stated in both cannon as intro dialog so like a bubble universe?

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому

      @@MajinMuu Intro dialogues in MKX and MK11 are non-canon, or at best semi-canonical. Best not to take them as gospel. Plus I know Raiden and Sub mention their time in Injustice 2 as guests, not sure I've heard anyone mention MKvsDC in an intro before.

    • @MajinMuu
      @MajinMuu 4 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp dark khan injustice 2 I feel it's more a dc event then an mk one

    • @smokey3504
      @smokey3504 4 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp If MK vs DC isn't a mainline game, then there's a missing title somewhere between MK4 and MK11... unless you wanna claim Mythologies, Special Forces, or Shaolin Monks in its place

  • @Barchie1234
    @Barchie1234 4 роки тому

    In future ima send this video to people who disagree with me about this arguement good job mate.

  • @mihaivasilescu8672
    @mihaivasilescu8672 3 роки тому +1

    It has side step ! Doesn't that make it a 3d fighting game?🤨

    • @kieronrana5233
      @kieronrana5233 2 роки тому

      it's a 3d fighting game but it's absolutely the end of the first era of the series

  • @ko55579
    @ko55579 4 роки тому +3

    I think proto-3D era would be a better term for MK4.

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому

      Make a whole new era just for one game?

    • @ko55579
      @ko55579 4 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp Sub Zero Mythology & Special Forces are in it to...lol

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому

      @@ko55579 I don't count spinoffs. They're their own thing.

  • @zakazany1945
    @zakazany1945 4 роки тому +1

    I consider MK4 a middle ground, as it had it's own set of distinct features

    • @zakazany1945
      @zakazany1945 4 роки тому

      Like, it's a malformed transition, like it was the very first polygonal games

  • @kevinfromsales9445
    @kevinfromsales9445 2 роки тому +1

    It definitely is a 3D Era game, it just sucked so bad (along with Mythologies and Special Forces) that Midway games had to resuscitate the series and breath new life into MK with Deadly Alliance of which, at the time, Midway actually succeeded until they screwed it up again with Armageddon.

  • @hectichavoc6766
    @hectichavoc6766 3 роки тому

    Would mk4 and mortal kombat vs dc be their own era?

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  3 роки тому

      Nah. MK vs DC is a spinoff, it's not a canon main entry in the series.

    • @guilhermefranco2930
      @guilhermefranco2930 3 роки тому

      @@Harperlarpisn't Vs DC considered the official 8th game?

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  3 роки тому

      @@guilhermefranco2930 I've never heard of it being referred to as such. To my knowledge it's:
      1. MK1
      2. MK2
      3. MK3/UMK3
      4. MK Trilogy
      5. MK4
      6. MK Deadly Alliance
      7. MK Deception
      8. MK Armageddon
      9. MK(9)
      Spinoffs like MK vs DC and Mythologies Sub Zero don't belong in an 'era' IMO because they're not mainline MK games, they're one-off experiments.

    • @guilhermefranco2930
      @guilhermefranco2930 3 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp I also don't think it should be a mainline game but it would make a bit more sense then to put mk trilogy as the 4th game since the game after that is literally named MK4. That would be the same as saying that MK11 is actually the 10th game

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  3 роки тому

      @@guilhermefranco2930 GTAIv is the 10th GTA game, what's your point? Giving a game a number doesn't always mean that it's that number in reality. If you put MK4 as the 4th game then MKX would be the 9th game and MK11 would be the 10th. The numbers don't really matter.

  • @ethanmahon6948
    @ethanmahon6948 4 роки тому

    I genuinely thought this was really obvious and was quite surprised to see the majority of people thinks it’s a 3D era game. There are so many differences from mk 4 and deadly alliance that you can clearly see are not in the same era. Great video tho 👍

  • @ChorizoPringoso
    @ChorizoPringoso Рік тому

    Reason 5: it carne out in Arcades

  • @J.Cvelocity_2710
    @J.Cvelocity_2710 3 роки тому +1

    I thought NRS ERA was the HD ERA

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  3 роки тому +1

      I’ve heard of GTAIV and GTAV being referred to as the ‘HD era’ of the GTA universe. But not the MK universe.

  • @richardlionerheart1945
    @richardlionerheart1945 3 роки тому

    It's in 3d and isn't made by nrs

  • @KeyBladeMaster-Dan
    @KeyBladeMaster-Dan 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks Snake

  • @smokey3504
    @smokey3504 4 роки тому

    MKvsDC is another black sheep that can't seem to find its place (mostly due to growing pains). Funny how every 4th game is an experimental disaster... doesn't bode well for mk12

  • @TheODLawson23
    @TheODLawson23 3 роки тому

    MK4 isn't a 3D era game? 3D was about movement and control in the gameplay. The arcade version of MK4 was not included in MK Arcade Kollection because the game was not part of the 2D era. MK4 was first game in the series with 3D character models. MK4 was part of the 3D era game and the majority of people considered MK4 as part of 3D era means MK4 was the start of the 3D era. It was advertised as a 3D game, therebefore it's a part of the 3D era. Shinnok, Quan Chi and Fujin became the 3D era characters when they were first playable since they were introduced in MK Mythologies: Sub-Zero.

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  3 роки тому

      >The arcade version of MK4 was not included in MK Arcade Kollection because the game was not part of the 2D era
      Do you have a source that proves that that's the reason the game wasn't included in the Arcade Kollection?

    • @TheODLawson23
      @TheODLawson23 3 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp In 2011, someone posted it on TRMK forum.
      MKAK was released back in Aug 29, most people expected to have the complete Arcade Kollection not just based on the first 3 games...even Ed Boon showed an image on Twitter of the 4 MK Arcade Machines which were MK1, MK2, UMK3, and MK4 before the MKAK was released. Some people asked Ed Boon about what happened to MK4 he originally posted an image of the MK4 Arcade Machine after MKAK released and he replied it wasn't part of the 2D era. Later, on Twitter, Boon put him on the 3D characters list (vote) including Tanya, Shinnok, Reiko for DLC in MKX.

    • @the757general2
      @the757general2 2 роки тому +1

      @@TheODLawson23 MK4 is a 3D game, but it's not a part of the 3D era.

  • @RyomaHoshi22
    @RyomaHoshi22 4 роки тому +2

    My favorite mortal kombat game sadly it doesn't get that much love

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +1

      I really didn't like back in the day, and I really don't like it now. But it's cool to know it's got its fans.

    • @RyomaHoshi22
      @RyomaHoshi22 4 роки тому +1

      @@Harperlarp ya

    • @ShiftyGuy777
      @ShiftyGuy777 4 роки тому +1

      I like it, I find it better than MK1 and MK2.
      Yes I said it.

  • @zcritten
    @zcritten 4 роки тому +1

    So the fanboys saw this informative video on a subject that lacks really that much effect on the game? did they see this video as a challenge or are the klassic games seen as a way better series than the 3d games by fanboys, because as someone who doesn't play the MK games, the 3d era looked way more interesting than any of the modern games

    • @ShiftyGuy777
      @ShiftyGuy777 4 роки тому

      Can I ask why? I love the 3D era too.

  • @the_knightcatTTv
    @the_knightcatTTv 4 роки тому +4

    No views 3 likes. Alright UA-cam what have you been drinking? Because you need to stop

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +1

      UA-cam got tha corona!

    • @the_knightcatTTv
      @the_knightcatTTv 4 роки тому +1

      @@Harperlarp UA-cam WASN'T WEARING A FACE MASK!

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  4 роки тому +2

      @@the_knightcatTTv Or practicing social distancing. It's been hanging around millions of people lately! So irresponsible.

    • @the_knightcatTTv
      @the_knightcatTTv 4 роки тому +1

      @@Harperlarp Tsk Tsk tsk UA-cam isn't good for kids anymore. DEMONATISE UA-cam

  • @ybk_skelly_333
    @ybk_skelly_333 4 роки тому

    Holy Shit I get your point!

  • @marcioaso
    @marcioaso 3 роки тому

    2:26 And then the very first blood spilled during the introduction of his arguments are spilled throughout the z-axis.
    2:33 Just 7 seconds after, the camera moves towards the y-axis changing the angle of the cam.
    Dude, that's not even arguing about if DOOM is 2.5D or proto-3D.
    Doesn't matter how much you wanna whine about it, every single polygon done in THREE DIMENSIONS and it's texture putted there tells you that what you are bringing is a lie.
    "Oh, but the gameplay is the same as the older ones"... the gameplay had to change in the new ones because from a unique game with digitalized gore, the game turned into playing gore with f poorly made dolls.... like EVERY game could do back then.
    You don't have to romanticize anything. The 3D era was a big change in the industry, and made the production of the game faster and cheaper, but the down side was that they didn't had a clue on how to handle the rotating camera. MK4 came out during that time where people were still learning to USE the camera in games.
    Isn't obvious enough for you that ALL the effort was putted into dropping quality on the models to perform in a frame-rate instead of creating new moves and concepts of playability?
    A LOT of franchises died there because of this. MK had the LUCK to have a name... and still milks it until this day.
    The truth is that the game STILL have one of the crappiest fighting games 3D models and effects today... just like when MK4 came out.
    Compared even to Killing Instinct, for example, MK seems like FIFA players in extravagant clothes beating each other. EVERY SINGLE big franchise is in an absolute another level.
    Even the greedy Konami realized that the SF EX was crap, and delayed the bullshit until the 4th.
    And THAT is what MK4 represents to old fans. MK had really the best graphics a fighting game COULD have allied with an amazing gameplay... and they just shove it up in their as*es because dolls being torn apart looked better to the government and it was cheaper/faster to produce.
    MK3 was the last MK. Today what you do is eating a f MC Donald's trying to convince yourself that it's real meat.
    No wonder the opponent have its head opened in half during combos but still gets up to fight. "Put more fireworks, so they won't notice our animators are juniors".
    Your willing to deny the obvious is so big... that you are willing to pretend to be blind just to think you have an argument about it?
    I don't.

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  3 роки тому

      Well that was a barely comprehensible wall of insulting brain vomit. Maybe next time don’t be rude and insulting just because I said something you disagree with, form an actual coherent point you want to make, and present it in a way that doesn’t make me wonder what the fuck you’re talking about half the time, and try again. It seems like you’re complaining that MK4 belongs in the 3D universe simply because it has 3 dimensions, a point I clearly addressed and explained why I’m against in the video. Then you said MK3 was the last MK which is factually incorrect and kind of undercuts any point you were trying to make. I have no idea what the FIFA reference was about or how MK ‘is like FIFA players’. It’s like you got angry and just typed out your thoughts without actually forming them properly, and chose to be rude while doing so for some reason.

    • @marcioaso
      @marcioaso 3 роки тому

      ​@@Harperlarp face it, someone that wanna refuse what is just in front of his eyes has a name: hysterical.
      My comment just expose that your opinion lacks on context of the period. You wouldn't bring such dumb arguments if wasn't the case.
      You did poor research, that's why you think it's reasonable to express (in a barely functional form and pace) SHIT like: "the gameplay is the same, so MK4 is not 3D". ??? are you f kidding me?
      So when you say I'm "brain vomiting" something, your WHOLE video is the absolute proof that your response is pure projection.
      And YOU talking about coherence? Look at your f title and the content. And you come to me demanding "forming a coherent point"? You are delusional.

    • @marcioaso
      @marcioaso 3 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp So GO TO F STUDY, instead of bringing trash to our suggestion list.
      And wasting MORE of my time with MORE whining but NOTHING useful.

  • @srlk_devilbreaker6833
    @srlk_devilbreaker6833 4 роки тому

    Its is klassic era

  • @karabearcomics
    @karabearcomics 4 роки тому

    I can understand this reasoning, but I still put the game in the 3D era in my mind for reasons which can make sense in a way, but also some that are more of a stretch that I personally think and don't expect from others. The reason that makes sense to me: this game was a break from the other games, in that (janky sidestep aside) there was a 3D plane, and the characters were no longer represented as digitized photos but instead 3D models; as well, the story stepped away from the one of the first three, where the Outworld threat was center stage and all the games flowed into each other while Shinnok in 4 really had nothing to do with Shao Kahn (and yes, Deadly Alliance and Deception both had bosses who were Outworlders, but the stories didn't spring directly from Kahn's invasion attempts--though they didn't have anything to do with Shinnok's invasion, either).
    My personal reason that others probably wouldn't be so keen to use as an argument is the kind of symmetry that the games have in each era/trilogy:
    The first game introduces us to the new point to the series, something which shakes things up from what came before (MK1's being the start of the series but also a fighting game with realistic graphics as well as the ability to kill your opponent, MK4 moving away from sprites and into a 3D space with interactable environments and the introduction of weapons, MK9 with its return to 2D and dropping the fighting styles/weapons but keeping the 3D models while also introducing a cinematic story mode, X-Ray moves and DLC).
    The second game refines the art style and gameplay (MKII having more defined sprites with more dynamic costuming as well as faster gameplay and more variety of moves, MKDA with the much better looking CG and the revamping of the weapon system to something more substantial while adding the fighting styles to further complement the weapons while also having the stage interactions be more integrated than just picking up stuff off the floor, MKX with its higher fidelity graphics as well as the variation system and ability for characters to interact with each other in unique ways before each round).
    The third game, while further refining elements, is criticized for some questionable decisions including the removal of fan favorite characters (MK3 removing Scorpion, Raiden, and Johnny Cage and also leaning too far into the "alities" while still introducing some memorable characters and some can say the run button was a good improvement; MKD was criticized for feeling rushed and characters feeling too similar to others in the franchise while excluding characters like Johnny Cage, Kung Lao, and Kitana but with a tightened gameplay system as well as interactable stages taken to their logical point of having death traps; MK11 taking out characters like Kenshi and Ermac and not even having many new characters as an excuse for that, the baffling choice to cast Rhonda Rousey despite her absolute inability to act, and the heavy microtransaction aspect of everything, while also doing things like changing the X-Rays to Fatal Blows and making them much more of a strategic element to implement). I should also note: Kabal is a major part of the third game in each bit, having been absent for at least one game before.
    Yet to be seen about the NetherRealm era, but the next game can be an update to the previous to alleviate some of the concerns (if one wants to count MK Unchained as such a thing since it's a PSP exclusive--and this is not unique to the third game in a cycle, with MK Gold and MK Tournament Edition also existing). The story DLC recently teased for MK11 might just count for this bit.
    Then comes a compilation game to mark the end of the era (MKT, MKA, I anticipate MK12 might be one).
    Next, an experiment that is widely derided (MK Mythologies, MK vs. DC Universe).
    Then the next era rolls around.
    Yes, I know I put too much thought the symmetry of the games. I overthink things far too often.

  • @dutchvanderlinde9013
    @dutchvanderlinde9013 4 роки тому

    k

  • @serioussilliness2064
    @serioussilliness2064 4 роки тому +1

    .,.

  • @Euro.Patriot
    @Euro.Patriot 2 роки тому

    It's 3d so it's 3d.

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  2 роки тому

      I feel I demonstrated in the video that the mere fact the game has some janky sidestepping (while making the game a 3D fighting game) isn't sufficient to lump the game in with the 3D Era MK games because MK4 shares way way way way more in common with the klassic/2D era games than it does with the 3D era games.
      MKX and MK11 are 2D fighting games, does that mean they're part of the 2D Era MK games?

    • @Euro.Patriot
      @Euro.Patriot 2 роки тому

      @@Harperlarp It's 3d so it's 3d, how do you not understand?

    • @Harperlarp
      @Harperlarp  2 роки тому +1

      @@Euro.Patriot you didn’t answer my question. Are MKX and MK11 2D era games? You must think so because they’re 2D fighting games and that’s all that matters to you.

    • @kieronrana5233
      @kieronrana5233 2 роки тому

      ​@@Euro.Patriot that's really only looking at the title. the name '3d era' may not be appropriate, but disregarding what these eras are called for a second, it seems fairly clear to me that mk4 was the end of an era and mkda was the start of one, call those eras what you want

  • @WeedShaggy
    @WeedShaggy 4 роки тому +1

    Who ever thought MK4 was a 3d era game is crazy.